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« Reply #25 on: Nov 29th, 2003, 5:33pm » |
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on Nov 29th, 2003, 5:30pm, forgetfulnot wrote:
I just how do you think the Iraqi deal will pan out. 
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Probably better than Mogadishu.
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« Reply #26 on: Nov 29th, 2003, 5:35pm » |
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I know....I really do!!!
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There ya go....perfect site 
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« Reply #27 on: Nov 29th, 2003, 5:44pm » |
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I'm up for it 
Surprise surprise. 
Too much concentrating on the damn poppies. Kill bin Laden. I forget who said it...How hard can it be to find a six foot towel head attached to his luggage? 
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« Reply #28 on: Nov 29th, 2003, 5:55pm » |
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charlie the point of fox is that they may have what you call nuts or kooks from the right but they also have people others think are kooks allan colms, aclu and others to name a few. the point is on CNN they are absent the right wing kooks as you say. humor is intended here. forgetfull you still never answered the question is the world better off now with the tallies and husain out of power or should we have left them in power? i understand there are some things that happend in both countries after the overthrows of the governments there that everyone would like to change, but weight that against other choice and tell me what you think. yes or no? is the world a safer place now? or would it have been safer if we did nothing after sept 11th? did everything go perfect no everyone will agree to that i think, have threats been reduced i think yes.
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12G, Is the world better off, yes. There seems to be a difference of opinion from some of the locals over there, change is a hard pill for most of us. I can only wish we get through this thing without many more servicemen / women loosing thier live's.
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« Reply #30 on: Nov 29th, 2003, 7:55pm » |
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Quote:It's not okay to be nuts.
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« Reply #31 on: Nov 29th, 2003, 8:00pm » |
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on Nov 29th, 2003, 7:55pm, forgetfulnot wrote:
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« Reply #32 on: Nov 29th, 2003, 8:15pm » |
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Fox, which is owned and operated by Rupert Murdock, who admits to being ultra right wing, leans farther to the right than CNN ever dreamed of leaning left. There is no comparison.
The neo-cons are the ones accusing liberals of treason, and calling them, socialists, un-American, and baby killers. The left has a much better record of welcoming varying points of view. If O'Reilly interviews someone from the left, he shouts them down and his afterwards are always intolerant to the left. Hannity literally screams at his victims. Alan Colms is the only liberal. Naming a "few" is easy with Fox.
I was a Republican for 30 years until the GOP found that they could win by scaring the crap out of rural America and with the silly idea that the past was better.
Everything is black and white and any deviation is considered a sin. According to our criminal TV preachers, God is a Republican. This bunch has ruined the party. John McCain, my kind of progressive Republican is getting scarce. What a shame. Now it's full of demonizers with answers that fit in with the 19th century. It's very sad because I can like conservative thought as long as it remains attached to reality and tolerance. Unfortunately, it's going further off the deep right end every day.
The ACLU isn't expressing un-American ideas. It's John Ashcroft who is one of the most dangerous men in Washington.
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« Reply #33 on: Nov 29th, 2003, 10:57pm » |
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Charlie truth is truth, no mater the source. Conservatives call liberals socialists because most of their programs are socialistic, socialized medicine, redistribution of wealth for example. If you think Colms is the only liberal on fox you are very mistaken, he is the counter to Hanity. They have guests left and right. “The left has a much better record of welcoming varying points of view.”, if that means they are wishy washy then ok. Yes some things are black and white contrary to popular leftist belief.
John Mcain is not a conservative or a republican any more than jim jeffords. His type will become scarcer because the young are conservative.
I don’t know where you are from but to say the ACLU isn’t expressing un-American views is crazy. The majority of Americans are now against abortion, for the death penalty, against men raping little boys (NAMBLA), and such. The ACLU isn’t always wrong and I’ll be the first to admit that, challenge of campaign finance bill (John Mcain) comes to mind.
I cant say god is a democrat or a republican, but I don’t think he is fond of abortion, or being thrown out of schools and the like either.
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« Reply #34 on: Nov 29th, 2003, 11:10pm » |
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Read the newspaper dude, it is already much worse and getting worse everyday.
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Where are you getting these facts?
A bag of heroin right now is cheaper than a six pack and sometiomes less than a pack of cigarettes. The puity has jumped to 70 %.
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« Reply #36 on: Nov 30th, 2003, 12:47am » |
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That was then Don, the point is obvious, you just illuminated it.
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on Nov 29th, 2003, 11:36pm, don wrote:| bag of heroin right now is cheaper than a six pack and sometiomes less than a pack of cigarettes. The puity has jumped to 70 %. |
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No shit?
WTF am I drinking beer for......LMAO
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« Reply #38 on: Nov 30th, 2003, 8:32am » |
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on Nov 29th, 2003, 11:36pm, don wrote:
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A bag of heroin right now is cheaper than a six pack and sometiomes less than a pack of cigarettes. The puity has jumped to 70 %. |
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Here in Trenton, N.J. $20.00 for a 100milligram bag. Which is on the average of 10mg aceta-morphine & 90mg adulterant. (Cut) Average "High" lasts 2 to 4 hours before a "junky" is in need of another $20.00 bag...so we're talking a $120.00 to $240.00 a day habit. Definitely not cheap...by any means. A methadone clinic costs $5. per addict, per day.
To put into non-junkie terms a "bag" of heroin is equal to 10mg Morphine.
Obviously strength & cut varies widely among Heroin...but above is the average & the price is also pretty average country-wide.
Another weird point abouth Methadone or L.A.A.M. clinics...they did a survey & found that 40 percent of "addicts" that were enrolled in Methadone clinics were actually under-treated chronic pain patients, who according to Psychiatrists...did not have an iatrogenic addiction.
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« Reply #39 on: Nov 30th, 2003, 9:29am » |
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I ask again "What is the source of your information?"
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Re: George Bush at his best
« Reply #40 on: Nov 30th, 2003, 10:03am » |
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Charlie...
I think the ACLU needs to sue to have all vestages of religion removed from all federal land and they should start with...uuhhh.. say....Arlington.
Yea..that's it. Arlington.
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« Reply #41 on: Nov 30th, 2003, 10:23am » |
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on Nov 30th, 2003, 9:29am, don wrote:| I ask again "What is the source of your information?" |
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Well, that's what my dealer's selling it for, Don!!!
Seriously though...as I said "in Trenton". Heroin price varies according to availability, locale, etc...see below:
...What are street-level heroin prices across the country? (Exhibit 4) The most commonly reported heroin street sales unit is 0.1 gram (100mg), which sells for as little as $4 for Colombian heroin in Boston to as much as $120 for Mexican black tar in Seattle. In some cities, however, street sales units are much larger: for example, the Birmingham law enforcement source states that "no one wants to sell less than 1 gram" of heroin. Purity, sales quantity, and dealer competition all play a part in determining heroin price. Sometimes, however, other more subtle factors—such as marketing strategies or barter—come into play. For example, according to the New York ethnographic source, "Some dealers in the Bronx and Brooklyn have been offering a $5 bag to lure customers." Another example is Hawaii, where the epidemiologic source notes that few people buy drugs for cash. Rather, they tend to barter goods, services, or other drugs. Many of the goods, such as stereos, cameras, and jewelry, are obtained via larceny and other forms of theft.
Then and Now: Heroin prices (fall 2000 vs spring 2001)
Heroin prices appear to be relatively stable, according to the majority of law enforcement, epidemiologic, and ethnographic sources who provided this information. Prices increased in only four cities (Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, and Washington, DC) and declined in only three (El Paso, Los Angeles, and St. Louis).
Three of the reported price increases are in the South. In New Orleans, cellophane bags containing two or three doses of white heroin increased both in price and purity. Capsules (known on the street as "pills" are the most common street sales unit in Baltimore, where prices increased from $3–$6 to $10 for a pill of equal (but unknown) size while purity remained stable. In nearby Washington, DC, the milligram price increased from $1.13 to $1.36. In the Midwest, a slight increase is reported in the price of a medium- to large-sized bag of heroin (from $10 to $10–$20) in Chicago.
The El Paso price drop is dramatic, from $10 to $3 per "hit" (amount not specified), reflecting the increased availability and cartel competition described above. Also reflecting increased availability, black tar prices in Los Angeles declined sharply at the hit (0.25 gram) level (from $35–$100 to $20–$40), at the gram level (from $150–$300 to $100), and at the "eightball" (1/8 ounce) level (from $400–$600 to $300). The St. Louis price drop involves "bindles" of #6 gel caps, which sold for the "low 20s" in fall 2000 and the "high teens" in spring 2001. ...
Here's the link http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/drugfact/pulsechk/fall2 001/heroin.html
Drugs are my job. Also since personally seeing chronic pain patients being under-treated & made to feel like addicts & cancer patients not being allowed to die in dignity due to junkies without any self-control & Governments without any heart...I have begun to become very interested & studied chronic pain & the pharmacological under-treatment of pain. Particularly within the inner city & with minorities.
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« Reply #42 on: Nov 30th, 2003, 12:46pm » |
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Mine is prevention, education and rehabilitation but I am sure that us what you meant.
Just the excerpts alone from that report indicate inaccuracies.
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Absolutely false. There has been a huge price drop off in the Boston area. I have the documentation to prove that along with a monthly tracking record of local ODs directly attributed to the falling prices, increased availability, and increased purity.
Make no mistake about it .....It is time to eradicate the poppy fields and put the warlords out of business.
Oh and get a new dealer. Yours is burnin ya!
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« Reply #43 on: Nov 30th, 2003, 9:31pm » |
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Quote:| I think the ACLU needs to sue to have all vestages of religion removed from all federal land and they should start with...uuhhh.. say....Arlington |
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I get your drift. People asking anyone to sue to remove religious symbols are pretty dumb. It’s a waste of tons of time, money and energy. Use these resources to help people.. It's incredibly stupid.
I’m about as religious as a freight car but nativity scenes, cemetery stuff, sayings on or in public buildings don't bother me. Hang the Ten Commandments or some other thing on the wall. Who does this hurt so long as I don‘t have to pay for it or trip over it? One doesn’t have to read it. Not a bad thing to follow though.
Quote:| Conservatives call liberals socialists because most of their programs are socialistic, socialized medicine, redistribution of wealth for example |
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Want access to all the Imitrex you need? Move to Western Europe and enjoy socialized medicine. How horrible. I think the doctor who spoke at the convention said it cost something like $4 a dose in Brazil. There is nothing wrong with a little socialism. Poor Svenn has to live in horrible Norway.
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Name another regular.
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Excactly. Neither was Theodore Roosevelt.
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This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.
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As I said before, religious stuff doesn’t particularly bother me so long as it stays out of my hair. What’s nice about this country is that when we listen to preachers and the like, we keep them in their place by not taking them too seriously. It’s the wackos who do that run airplanes into buildings, not fundamentalists.
I’m done. Whew.
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« Reply #44 on: Nov 30th, 2003, 10:44pm » |
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on Nov 30th, 2003, 9:29am, don wrote:| I ask again "What is the source of your information?" |
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The source is my memory, which ain't worth a shit! But I said it and I am sticking to it.
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