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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #75 on: May 13th, 2008, 6:13pm » |
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WASHINGTON — The Senate demanded almost unanimously on Tuesday that President Bush halt the shipment of oil to the country’s strategic petroleum reserve as long as oil prices remain high.
“Sticking oil underground is wrong at this point in time,” Senator Byron Dorgan, Democrat of North Dakota, said as he urged approval of a measure offered by Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic majority leader.
The Senate voted, 97 to 1, to tell President Bush to halt the shipments to the strategic reserve, the supply of just over 700 million barrels that is stored in salt caverns along the Gulf Coast. The reserve is meant to protect the United States against a disastrous sudden cutoff of oil supplies, like the Arab embargo of the 1970s.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #76 on: May 13th, 2008, 7:21pm » |
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How bout that falling dollar? Price of oil goes up 100% during the same time period as the dollar drops 40-50%. Oil is sold in dollars - for many countries, the price of the raw material has not gone up so much because their currencies are worth more in dollar terms.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #77 on: May 13th, 2008, 7:23pm » |
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on May 13th, 2008, 6:13pm, Jonny wrote:WASHINGTON — The Senate demanded almost unanimously on Tuesday that President Bush halt the shipment of oil to the country’s strategic petroleum reserve as long as oil prices remain high.
“Sticking oil underground is wrong at this point in time,” Senator Byron Dorgan, Democrat of North Dakota, said as he urged approval of a measure offered by Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic majority leader.
The Senate voted, 97 to 1, to tell President Bush to halt the shipments to the strategic reserve, the supply of just over 700 million barrels that is stored in salt caverns along the Gulf Coast. The reserve is meant to protect the United States against a disastrous sudden cutoff of oil supplies, like the Arab embargo of the 1970s.
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And if there was a crisis and the taps were shut off from the ME congress would be the first to scream of mismanageing the strategic reserve. They are fucking idiots. They have shut down any new exploration within the US and, made building any new refineris a nightmare for the corporations through pandering to the tree huggers and if they could USE the stratigic reserve they would. You can bet they will never have to cook food over a dung fire but that is what they want the rest of the common folk to do.
How bout we start rendering some of the fat congressmen for their blubber and use it as a fuel source. At least they would be good for something! 
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #78 on: May 13th, 2008, 7:33pm » |
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It's supposed to save only a few cents.....maybe 25 cents a gallon at the last report I heard. It's like trying to knock out an elephant with a peanut. I suppose there are some goofs that think it's a good idea. Incredibly, Bush doesn't like it either. Knock me over with a feather.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #79 on: May 13th, 2008, 8:27pm » |
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Quote:Congress urges Bush to halt oil reserve shipments
Bush has steadfastly refused to halt shipments of about 70,000 barrel barrels of oil a day into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, a system of salt caverns on the Gulf coast. The reserve, created to respond to major oil supply disruptions, holds 701 million barrels and is at 97 percent of capacity.
The Strategic Petroleum Reserve was created in the 1970s as a precaution against major interruptions of oil supplies. Today at 701 million barrels it has enough to replace two months of oil imports.
Senators said the stockpile is big enough to meet any emergency.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #80 on: May 13th, 2008, 8:50pm » |
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Republican President + Democratic Congress = Fucking nothing!
Democratic Congress + Republican Congress = Fucking nothing!
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.
But hey, at least we have something to argue about for the next 1000 years.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #81 on: May 14th, 2008, 6:09pm » |
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I was in Indianapolis yesterday and today on business. Turned on the news this morning, gas had jumped up 20 cents/gallon overnight. They (the news) were at a discount gas station. It was $3.959 (why do they put that 9/10ths of a cent in there anyway? Just to make you think you are getting it cheaper?)
I was driving our company truck, so I didn't really notice as I drove there, but on the way back, it was $3.95 everywhere, until I got home. Then, I filled up the truck, it was $3.83(9) here.
I'm really not surprised, but I certainly gulped when I saw that.
I drove to Peoria and back on Monday, gas was $3.89 there, so I waited to get home. It was $3.85 here. It was $3.79 when I left town. I put $50.00 in my tank, and it filled it to just over half full.
So much for driving vacations this year for a lot of people.
One thing is for sure, I'm taking the actual fuel and maintenance deductions next year, not just mileage.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #82 on: May 14th, 2008, 7:36pm » |
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on May 14th, 2008, 6:09pm, purpleydog wrote:| So much for driving vacations this year for a lot of people. |
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Bingo.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #83 on: May 14th, 2008, 9:07pm » |
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Lots of people from my state planning Adirondack vacations rather than running around all over the country looking for stuff to do. It's like the old days when I was a kid.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #84 on: May 15th, 2008, 1:33am » |
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I don't post here anymore, so I'm sure that most of won't even remember me.
I just had to comment about how some things have not changed much in the 9 years since I found this place. Jonny's posts like this still get the same kinds of responses from some of the same people, but now I see even more socialists coming out with even more twisted statistics.
It's becoming the new America. During part of the 50's and 60's Socialists & Communists publicly proclaimed what they were.
Now they don't - because they don’t even realize what they are.
Respectfully,
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #85 on: May 15th, 2008, 2:08am » |
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on May 15th, 2008, 1:33am, Marc wrote:| ...they don't even realize what they are. |
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Another Joseph McCarthy would fix all that nonsense. 
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #86 on: May 15th, 2008, 2:12am » |
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on May 15th, 2008, 2:08am, Kevin_M wrote:
Another Joseph McCarthy would fix all that nonsense.
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Lessons learned from mistakes made in the past are of extreme value.
I personally feel that open, non-biased education of facts is the answer - but it ain't happening........
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #87 on: May 15th, 2008, 2:24am » |
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on May 15th, 2008, 2:12am, Marc wrote:| I personally feel that open, non-biased education of facts is the answer - but it ain't happening........ |
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Facts about money, politics, or energy?
"The enemy isn't conservatism. The enemy isn't liberalism. The enemy is bullshit." -- Lars-Erik Nelson, political columnist
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« Reply #88 on: May 15th, 2008, 2:52am » |
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Therein lies the problem – they are one and the same.
I will make a parting comment that the single biggest single problem in this country today is the general media trying to shape policy in lieu of digging deep to report facts.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #89 on: May 15th, 2008, 7:25am » |
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on May 15th, 2008, 1:33am, Marc wrote:| I don't post here anymore, so I'm sure that most of won't even remember me. |
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With only 11 posts, how could we?
Marc, we hardly knew ye.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #90 on: May 15th, 2008, 7:52am » |
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Its time to start drilling off Morro Bay CA...?
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #91 on: May 15th, 2008, 9:52pm » |
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on May 15th, 2008, 1:33am, Marc wrote: now I see even more socialists coming out with even more twisted statistics.
It's becoming the new America. During part of the 50's and 60's Socialists & Communists publicly proclaimed what they were.
Now they don't - because they don’t even realize what they are.
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Actually while I was watching all the commie, labor, and Kefauver hearings of the 50s, Socialists and Communists had to lie low or lose their seats, jobs and even homes now and then. Today, liberal Republicans are kicked out of Congress by the right to lifers and far far right of the GOP. It's a bloody mess and brings on the likes of George Bush who has finally found something he can do: Elect Democrats.
We need some of that "creeping socialism" in health care though because it's become a nightmare of greedy practitioners and drug purveying corporate interests that have little if any interest in the health of the country if they get sick. Insurance companies are only interested in selling coverage to healthy people. They are happy to let the government take over when it begins to affect their bottom lines. Fine with me but it needs not to be like Medicare Part B which is a gold mine for the drug companies. It should be something our elderly shouldn't have to go to court to obtain. What we have now is embarrassing
I make no apologies for this. I don't shoot myself in the foot at the voting booth.
Must be that clusters have something to do with conservative politics. Tons of 'em here
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #92 on: May 15th, 2008, 10:38pm » |
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on May 15th, 2008, 9:52pm, Charlie wrote:
We need some of that "creeping socialism" in health care though because it's become a nightmare of greedy practitioners and drug purveying corporate interests that have little if any
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While I may disagree with your politics, I applaud your honesty in identifying your position with this statement. That was the whole point of my post. This is still a free country and people are allowed to have differing opinions.
I was only pointing out that so many people don't realize that they are advocating Socialism. You do realize it.
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« Reply #93 on: May 15th, 2008, 11:33pm » |
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It's similar to Theodore Roosevelt's breaking up of Standard Oil. It ain't all bad. Richard Nixon had some very good ideas on socialized medicine. It's the one area where it seems the only answer.
It works in almost every western country. The conservatives in Switzerland call refusing affordable health care to everyone a scandal.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #94 on: May 16th, 2008, 12:35am » |
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Marc, I think i recognize your pic, but i dont think I remember you.
Anyway, can you clarify what, in this thread, you are referring to as socialism or communism? I'm not sure i follow what you are saying, but i am interested in hearing your opinion.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #95 on: May 16th, 2008, 8:49am » |
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In our community we rely on Tourism for the summer months. With gas prices soaring, today $1.25 Liter, our tourism will drop. Here in Muskoka we have a lot of American tourists that come every summer. They will probably not come this year due to gas prices and our higher dollar.
Which means lesser sales in retail which will mean lesser salary dollars, we could have lay offs this year. That sucks.
Hoping things will get better soon but I don't think it will for a while.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #96 on: May 16th, 2008, 11:46am » |
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on May 15th, 2008, 11:33pm, Charlie wrote:| It's similar to Theodore Roosevelt's breaking up of Standard Oil. |
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Don't know about it being socialism, but the alternatives looked even uglier.
Teddy was challenged by the greatest economic powers in the country who viewed him as a threat to their ownership of the nation. Previously outlawed by the Sherman Antitrust Act but forgotten in practice, he wasn't going to be quiet about illegal monopoly power.
Teddy was a great admirer of Lincoln and would intervene as arbitrator before violence erupted. He was also a Nobel peace prize laureate, America's first to win any Nobel.
A big test in 1902 was the Northern Securites Company, a large combination of businesses that formed a trust. (A trust was defined at the time as a vertically integrated set of businesses that controlled all aspects of production and distribution.) Northern was in restraint of trade and illegal, and it's stock estimated to be watered down by one-third in the merger.
J. P. Morgan, with a bit of "business as usual" arrogance said that if anything is wrong, his man and Roosevelt ought to meet and fix it. What incensed Teddy was the suggesting of a behind-the-scenes negotiation. A New York journalist kind of captured the moment: "Wall Street is paralyzed at the thought that a President of the United States would sink so low as to try to enforce the law." The Supreme Court agreed with Teddy.
Railroads were favoring insiders in setting rates and gave secret rebates to friends. A coalition of Dems and Reps together, unheard of in past years, were gathered by Teddy for the Hepburn Act in 1906 and an Elkins Act along the way prohibiting rebates.
Back to 1902, coal needed the attention of Teddy's role as arbiter in clashes. Miners earned $560 a year (about $7800 today) and docked for medical expenses. Factories and mines were dangerous and once injured, simply out of their 12 hour work days, six days a week to a situation of despair. Miners got their 10% raise, price of coal went up 10%.
If any of this looks like socialism, here was the argument from George F. Baer, the chief spokesman for the owners who said the miners are not suffering. "The rights and all interests of the laboring man will be protected and cared for -- not only by the labor agitators -- but by the Christian men to whom God in His infinite wisdom has given the control of property interests of the country."
What is that called?
info from a bio of Teddy's personal letters.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #97 on: May 16th, 2008, 5:15pm » |
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Hey Marc, how's it going? Long time no see.
on May 15th, 2008, 2:52am, Marc wrote:
I will make a parting comment that the single biggest single problem in this country today is the general media trying to shape policy in lieu of digging deep to report facts.
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Ain't that the truth.
I said it before and I'll say it again...
Do you believe everything you read (and see)?
Just because it's reported by the media doesn't make it so.
You can spin anything to get the results you want..
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #98 on: May 16th, 2008, 7:04pm » |
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You gotta do what ya gotta do, i guess.
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Re: Its time to start drilling in ANWAR!
« Reply #99 on: May 16th, 2008, 7:39pm » |
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on May 16th, 2008, 12:35am, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:| can you clarify what, in this thread, you are referring to as socialism or communism? |
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He was talking about you, ya commie
j/k  , I meant socialist.
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