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(Message started by: Sean_C on Jan 3^rd, 2008, 11:09pm)

Title: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Sean_C on Jan 3^rd, 2008, 11:09pm

The people have spoken.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Melissa on Jan 3^rd, 2008, 11:13pm

I was just reading about that!

Very interesting....

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Groov on Jan 3^rd, 2008, 11:28pm

Oh YEAH, a guy who hates the second amendment and a cartoon character......oh well, it's the same on the other side of the coo coo's nest:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee223/assaultu2/flakes.jpg

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Groov on Jan 3^rd, 2008, 11:34pm

How bout this ticket:
Buffy from "a family affair", gary coleman, L. Ron Hubbards ghost and one of them Baptist snake handling preachers.

They could run together and all be President at the same time.....it could work...cant be worse than anything we've had in a while

[smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 3^rd, 2008, 11:37pm

Just when I thought I woke up in pain to go back to sleep without it.........oh God help us!

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Charlie on Jan 4^th, 2008, 1:56am

Should be interesting. Makes me feel old.

It's stunning.....There has to be something to far far right-wing political leanings and clusters. :D

Charlie, who really is tired of politics today.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Jan 4^th, 2008, 6:34am

Did Hillary finish third............Perhaps her ship be sinking, and the coast guard is out to lunch !

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by kcopelin on Jan 4^th, 2008, 6:53am

Groov,
You just described the California ballot when Ahnold was elected. Except we also has a prostitute and a pot farmer.
I kept the sample ballot as a souvenir.

By gosh, I love this country!

Kathy (the voter formerly known as a Republican, then a democrat, then an independent)

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by BarbaraD on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:00am

It just pains me I'm not a drinker -- this would be a good time for it.... ::)

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by brewcrew on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:16am

I am just so out of political juice.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by monty on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:40am

on 01/03/08 at 23:09:47, Sean_C wrote:

The people have spoken.

The people of Iowa have spoken. I personally look forward to a day where there is a different primary system - maybe rotating from state to state. Problem is, every state wants to be first. We'll soon be holding the primary 4 years before the election.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by brewcrew on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:52am

on 01/04/08 at 07:40:08, monty wrote:

I personally look forward to a day where there is a different primary system - maybe rotating from state to state.

You keep looking forward. Let us know if you find anything.

This country has jumped the shark.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Ghost on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:46am

on 01/04/08 at 06:34:09, zwibbs/Scott wrote:

Did Hillary finish third............Perhaps her ship be sinking, and the coast guard is out to lunch !

I liked the spin this morning the way it was said made it look like hillary walked away with it.
"Obama edged out edwards by 8 points, and hillary was only 1 point back from that. While huckabee blew away all the others, the closest was 9 points back."
Now correct me if I am wrong bu doesnt that put billary 9 back too?

Mike

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by George_J on Jan 4^th, 2008, 10:59am

Mighty early days, yet. Anything can happen, and probably will.

Best,

George

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by thomas on Jan 4^th, 2008, 11:24am

Just think, these people have already spent a year campaigning, now there is still a year of campaigning left. Aren't they elected officials? Aren't they supposed to be doing their jobs? Two years of drumming up money and doing little of anything else. Our political system is BROKEN, severely. And they are ALL millionaires.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Groov on Jan 4^th, 2008, 4:49pm

on 01/04/08 at 07:52:02, brewcrew wrote:

This country has jumped the shark.

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]
You aint a-lyin' Brew....jumped the shark, last episode [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Sandy_C on Jan 4^th, 2008, 5:38pm

on 01/04/08 at 06:34:09, zwibbs/Scott wrote:

Did Hillary finish third............Perhaps her ship be sinking, and the coast guard is out to lunch !

One can only hope, now, can't one? I think Billary got a little comeuppance in Iowa. Goodie.

Sandy

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 4^th, 2008, 5:47pm

This is ridicoulus. We are spending 12 billion dollars for Iraq per MONTH and Obama wants to shut down US Space Program to save 8 billion dollar total cost for the new spacecraft that would fly yeeeears to come. Most of the science and technology that we have today come from space program. What an uneducated candidate.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by artonio7 on Jan 4^th, 2008, 6:07pm

on 01/04/08 at 17:47:43, Jonny wrote:

talk about an a$$hole for a candidate... ole huck wants to impose a 23% sales tax on EVERYTHING!!! and... he also made a little innuendo about sending everyone with HIV to their own little concentration camp. Sounds to me like a vote for Huck is a vote for a fascist theocracy!!!

edited to add this
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/10/huckabee.aids/#cnnSTCVideo

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by deltadarlin on Jan 4^th, 2008, 6:31pm

Huckaby scares the living daylights out of me. I'd cross party lines to keep him out of officeHis record on illegal immigration isn't exactly stellar either. Wha'ts funny, is that on his website, he talks about getting tough companies hiring illegals. There are a lot of processing plants and chicken houses in AR. Both tend to hire without documenting where their employees are from or they don't do a very thorough check. Huckabee knew all about it and didn't take a very firm stance.

hitlery will probably pick back up with the New Hampshire caucus.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Racer1_NC on Jan 4^th, 2008, 6:34pm

Tony......unless I am mistaken Huckabee is pro "fair tax". Rather than attempt to explain the plan here I'll provide a link for those interested in learning about said plan. In a lot of ways it makes more sense than what we have now.

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer

As for his stand on HIV, if that is his stand I have no use for him.

B

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by artonio7 on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:02pm

on 01/04/08 at 18:34:54, Racer1_NC wrote:

Yeppers Bill... that's the nightmare I was talking about... and if you read... it's not really a 23% tax... it's more like a 30% tax on nearly everything.

In the long run... the pushers of this plan... the multi millionaires will end up paying far less in taxes and as always the real burden will rest on the shoulders of the ever shrinking "middle class". Even conservative republicans call this "Fair Tax" or national sales tax plan a "Crack Pot" scheme. Imagine... add 30 cents onto every dollar spent. a gallon of milk going for $4.00 will now cost $5.20 ...

Of course the arguement is that prices of goods will come down... LOL.... Roflmao... Bwahahahahahaha!!! yep, and money will begin to grow on trees.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:17pm

on 01/04/08 at 19:02:59, artonio7 wrote:

Yeppers Bill... that's the nightmare I was talking about... and if you read... it's not really a 23% tax... it's more like a 30% tax on nearly everything.

Im confused here.....with the fair tax dont it mean that we will no longer pay income tax?

Dont mind me I suck when it comes to math....LOL ;;D

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by artonio7 on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:35pm

on 01/04/08 at 19:17:19, Jonny wrote:

Im confused here.....with the fair tax dont it mean that we will no longer pay income tax?

Dont mind me I suck when it comes to math....LOL ;;D

That is the plan Jonny... no mo income tax. instead initially you will pay 30% more on everything you buy. Of course that may not be so bad if you're making millions. The fair tax plan also proposes a prebate for the poor (a 1 or 200 check in the mail every month) to offset the tax. This will create one of the largest welfare systems ever. So in the long run cutting out the IRS will actually create a need for two additional bureaucracies. A mega-welfare system and tax evasion task force that will make the IRS look like a two man band.

Of course as the plan moves along groups will lobby for tax exemption... which will drive the flat sales tax up even higher... some project up to 55 and 60% and when that happens... everyone trys to evade taxes.

You are essentially looking at a plan that will usher us into the ranks of a third world country. DO NOT LET THE ALLURE OF NO INCOME TAX FOOL YOU!!!

The middle class and small business owner will end up being crushed under the tax weight and the poor and wealthy won't be contributing much to the overall burden.

;)

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Tiannia on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:38pm

Is there a Fair tax web site for dumbbies?

If that is his stand of HIV, he can kiss my ass if I vote for him though.

The sad thing is that some of the religious right will follow him to hell if he touts that, people like my parents.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:40pm

on 01/04/08 at 19:35:05, artonio7 wrote:

The middle class and small business owner will end up being crushed under the tax weight and the poor and wealthy won't be contributing much to the overall burden.

Now you have my attention!!!!!

I have some reading to do.

Thanks, Tony! :-*

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Redd on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:40pm

Tony,

I don't think they would begin taxing non-taxable food items. However, my understanding of the logic of this type of plan is that when it comes to yachts, jewels, etc, and all the luxury items the rich purchase, then they would be paying the lions share of taxes. The money the middle and low income folks keep on their checks help to cover the increase in the taxes on taxable items.

I think thats the theory anyway.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Maffumatt on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:47pm

Kansas taxes all food items.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Tiannia on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:54pm

Damn right now I'm trying to deal with a State Income tax which I have never had to deal with in my life. OR does not have a sales tax. Guess I need to do some reading too. :-/

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Redd on Jan 4^th, 2008, 7:55pm

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=calculator

They have a calculator on the site Racer posted to estimate who it would work in your income bracket.

It was somewhat interesting.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:08pm

Going by that calculator......im grabbing my ankles and getting fucked hard! >:(

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Redd on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:11pm

on 01/04/08 at 20:08:36, Jonny wrote:

Going by that calculator......im grabbing my ankles and getting fucked hard! >:(

How much less "spendable Income" will you have?

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Sean_C on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:28pm

I don't think I was answering the questions correctly on the calculator. I was saving 12K. Is that possible.

What is Massachusetts Federal tax pecentage?

How do I know how much I spend on used items? All my personal property is bought used, I can't remember the last time I bought a nice thing for me.

Any accountants here?

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Ree on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:35pm

You guys are scaring me... Politics and religion I'm not going there....... AHHHHHHHHH THESE GUYS ARE ALL POLITICS AND RELIGION AHHHHHHH!!!!!

WHATAREWEGONNADOOO?
ree

ps New Hampshire will tell it usually does

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:37pm

on 01/04/08 at 20:11:11, Redd wrote:

How much less "spendable Income" will you have?

With the Fair Tax, you get:
-1558.33% MORE
spendable income.
$3,578.55 MORE
purchasing power.
$3,693.99 LESS
federal taxes.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by brewcrew on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:39pm

on 01/04/08 at 20:28:04, Sean_C wrote:

You see now why I say this country has jumped the shark? It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure this shit out.

We are all the victims of Death by a Thousand Cuts. A tax code that's tens of thousands of pages long, a president who calls himself a conservative and then signs an energy bill that OUTLAWS incandescent light bulbs by 2012, and a field of the most inept, unqualified presidential candidates we've ever seen.

I really hope I'm around for the next American Revolution.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:43pm

Albert Einstein once remarked, “The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax.”

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Sean_C on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:49pm

on 01/04/08 at 20:39:11, brewcrew wrote:

Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid.

Ain't that the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;;D

The calculator asked me how much I pay in student loans, I typed in "none" .

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:52pm

on 01/04/08 at 20:49:56, Sean_C wrote:

Ain't that the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;;D

The calculator asked me how much I pay in student loans, I typed in "none" .

LOL....Try 0

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Redd on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:57pm

I didn't see that question

Mine asked about tuition not student loans. Two different things dear. ;)

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Sean_C on Jan 4^th, 2008, 8:59pm

on 01/04/08 at 20:43:25, Jonny wrote:

Albert Einstein once remarked, “The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax.”

.”

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Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Sean_C on Jan 4^th, 2008, 9:02pm

I think its counting dude, they're all one digit apart.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 4^th, 2008, 9:03pm

on 01/04/08 at 20:59:40, Sean_C wrote:

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Copy and paste.....duh....LOL ;;D

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by chewy on Jan 4^th, 2008, 9:13pm

Quote:

With the Fair Tax, you get:
37.18% MORE
spendable income.
$13,014.55 MORE
purchasing power.
$13,692.96 LESS
federal taxes.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by brewcrew on Jan 4^th, 2008, 9:26pm

on 01/04/08 at 20:59:40, Sean_C wrote:

.”

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Sometimes when you copy and paste from other text formats, you get screwy code embedded. Note on Jonny's Einstein quote, the screwy code comes where there should be quote marks.

Either that or it's another fuckin' Bilderberger conspiracy.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by brewcrew on Jan 4^th, 2008, 9:27pm

See? This time (above) I quoted it right from your post, and it came out right.

Bilderbergers.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 4^th, 2008, 9:31pm

on 01/04/08 at 21:27:52, brewcrew wrote:

Bilderbergers.

The bastards! ;;D

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Sean_C on Jan 4^th, 2008, 9:31pm

http://filesoup.co.uk/faq/index.php?sid=1080393&lang=en&action=artikel&cat=13&id=43&artlang=en

Read this, it explains about the Torrent Tracker “ ”

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 4^th, 2008, 9:34pm

ROTFFLMMFAO!!! ;;D

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Sean_C on Jan 4^th, 2008, 9:38pm

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Charlie on Jan 4^th, 2008, 10:37pm

Fair tax is too easy and of course those that are for this thing are usually those that could care less.

Only 300 or so more days of politics to ruin your day this year. We are so blessed.

Charlie

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by deltadarlin on Jan 5^th, 2008, 11:47am

Here is a link to what Mike Huckabee said regarding AIDS. Note, Old Huck didn't say that he would *change* today, but that he *might* change his attitude. damned glad I have the cartoon channel to watch (although, this process might become a 3 ring circus before it's all over and done with).

http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2007/12/mike_huckabee_aids.php

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/10/huckabee.aids/

A quote by the Huckster, ""The reason we have so much government is because we have so much broken humanity," he said. "And the reason we have so much broken humanity is because sin reigns in the hearts and lives of human beings instead of the Savior."

"Huckabee also explained why he left pastoring for politics.

"I didn't get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn't have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/12/the_mercy_of_mike_huckabee.html

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Sean_C on Jan 5^th, 2008, 12:03pm

on 01/05/08 at 11:47:44, deltadarlin wrote:

"Huckabee also explained why he left pastoring for politics.

"I didn't get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn't have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives."

I don't think any government can operate under the guidelines of any faith unfortunately. I believe that separation of church and state is needed.

I don't want my church interfering with my government, as much as I don't want my government interfering with my church or yours.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by brewcrew on Jan 5^th, 2008, 12:40pm

To our forefathers, separation of church and state did not mean the state wouldn't allow the establishment of any religious organizations. It merely meant that there would be no governmental endorsement of one religion over another.

I'm afraid the Huckster sounds like he wants to blur (if not all but eliminate) that line. That's dangerous territory, regardless of the faith to which you subscribe. It would put us right up there with governments like Iran - same nasty habit, different brand.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 5^th, 2008, 12:58pm

on 01/05/08 at 12:40:38, brewcrew wrote:

I'm afraid the Huckster sounds like he wants to blur (if not all but eliminate) that line. That's dangerous territory, regardless of the faith to which you subscribe. It would put us right up there with governments like Iran - same nasty habit, different brand.

I couldnt have said it better myself....no really, I couldnt have. ;;D

Thats dead on, Brew!!

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Redd on Jan 5^th, 2008, 2:03pm

Quote:

"Huckabee also explained why he left pastoring for politics.

"I didn't get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn't have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives."

Reminicent of the political baramiter at the time just before the Crusades. Hundred+ years of bloodshed over Rome's obcession to remain the central super power of the known world, and forcing conversions to Christianity or die.

If we don't remember history, (correctly) we will be doomed to repeat it. :-/

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Kirk on Jan 5^th, 2008, 4:55pm

Wouldn't it be nice to have "None of the above" on the ballot?

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Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Charlie on Jan 5^th, 2008, 11:51pm

It's healthy to remember that our founders were not all that excited about bible thumpers. Lots of Unitarians and stuff like Diests involved. Lots of them just paid lip service to it.....like Jefferson.........Especially Madison who is responsible for the separation idea, I believe.

Charlie

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by deltadarlin on Jan 6^th, 2008, 10:08am

on 01/05/08 at 23:51:21, Charlie wrote:

Absolutely! Jefferson on religion, "He rejected the superstitions and mysticism of Christianity and even went so far as to edit the gospels, removing the miracles and mysticism of Jesus (see The Jefferson Bible) leaving only what he deemed the correct moral philosophy of Jesus."

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Sean_C on Jan 6^th, 2008, 11:27am

OK, enough about Christianity, what about the first time voters surrounding Obama.

Most of these kids parents still pay thier bills, let them use the car, give them a roof, allowences etc etc.

Is this the right choice, by the right people ??

Is it his youthfulness, his name, his skin color, or his experience that excites you or your tween??

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by chewy on Jan 6^th, 2008, 12:04pm

Given the outcome in Iowa and thr trend in New Hampshire I think at the end of the day you'll be making a choice betwee Obama and McCain.

Not so bad given our recent past Presidential match ups.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 6^th, 2008, 12:51pm

on 01/06/08 at 11:27:43, Sean_C wrote:

...what about the first time voters surrounding Obama.

Is this the right choice, by the right people ??

Is it his youthfulness, his name, his skin color, or his experience that excites you or your tween??

Some like to make the news and are attracted when the media circus passes through, others need to get away from the choreographed speeches and cheers to look for a leader among them.

Quote:

ELECTIONS

PRESIDENTIAL CAUCUSES IN IOWA

...
Doing well in the caucuses required candidates to build extensive organizations to get out their supporters on caucus night. To do that, candidates devoted large amounts of campaign time to the state.
...
Local officials said spending by candidates and reporters was an economic windfall to the state.
...
Also in 1976, Iowa Republicans agreed to hold their caucuses on the same night as the Democrats, primarily to capture some of the media attention.

...no state was reflective of the entire country and that Iowa was only the beginning of the process.
http://publications.iowa.gov/archive/00000135/01/elections/10-5.html

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Charlie on Jan 6^th, 2008, 10:32pm

I'm old enough to remember the zeal of youngsters for John and Bobby. While not quite the same thing, you're seeing a little excitement that recalls it, by our youth.

I love it and it's about time. I'm also very happy to see these kids voting for ideas and not race. Iowa is about 2% black, I believe. It's stunning and a tribute to these kids. I never thought I'd see it, especially when I think of the kind of shit I heard and saw in my youth. I wonder what my parents would say? On second thought, I guess not.

Charlie

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Jonny on Jan 7^th, 2008, 8:14pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0u6lCBnRoHQ

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by llreed on Jan 7^th, 2008, 10:23pm

That tops it for me.

Thank You
We all need to laugh when we can..
llreed [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Mr. Happy on Jan 7^th, 2008, 11:16pm

on 01/07/08 at 22:23:32, llreed wrote:

That tops it for me.[smiley=laugh.gif]

Me too.

Just passin thru,
RJ

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Groov on Jan 7^th, 2008, 11:27pm

When Osama Obama was screwing us here in Illinois, he proposed a piece of draconian legislation that was so un-Constitutional, a 3rd grader could have spotted the danger if it had passed.

He may have other good ideas. hell..he couldnt do any worse than any other of the knobs we are offered. But when you blatantly offer legislation that serves to destroy your own country....I'm sorry, you'll NEVER get me to take you seriously or trust you EVER... so he's not on my list.

Conversely, we have a cartoon character huckabilly or huckleberry hound or whatever his name is who thinks Jesus needs to steer the ship...YIKES!!!

Absolutely nothing wrong with religious convictions and a sense of what you believe to be right. However, when you go around making such statements like how your gonna fix things if only others accepted Jesus in their lives.....well, then you're an idiot who just lost a ton of votes for no reason...and dangerous to Constitutional law and how it is applied.

Also, he wants to quarantine aids patients !?!?!? Huck baby, it ain't contagious like influenza !!
You have no right to snatch people up & put em in a hog pen !!! They pose no danger to a public that is responsible for their own exposure risk.

I'm just guessing, but here is what I think Huck thinks: Homosexuality is wrong cause The Bible says so. Therefore we have to try to inhibit this activity for their (gays) own good and the moral righteousness of the country !!!

Well, I don't give a tinkers damn about gay stuff. It's hardly my job to go around and convert people to my religious beliefs or feelings on the subject.

The Presidents job is to obey The Constitution. You won't abide by equal protection under the law, you are just an inverted Obama.

If there isn't an alternative candidate offered, I will protest vote for Cap'n Crunch. He isn't any more clever than the two wankers offered, but he does make a damn tasty cereal for kids.

SIGH

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by monty on Jan 8^th, 2008, 7:20am

on 01/07/08 at 23:27:46, Groov wrote:

That's why some of us will not vote Republican - not only has the Republican President launched unconstitutional policies that are bad for the country, the (formerly) Republican Congress has backed him up every step of the way. If this were in the 1970s, the Republicans would have gotten together and told Mr. Bush and Cheney to resign or be impeached, as they did for Mr. Nixon. Instead, we continue with a war that lacks a declaration required by the Constitution, warrantless wiretaps, torture, a suspension of habeus corpus, firing of federal prosecutors who refuse to persecute Democrats, and a long list of other abuses. These won't get fixed by voting Republican.

What was this piece of legislation that Obama proposed?

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by thomas on Jan 8^th, 2008, 8:44am

on 01/04/08 at 19:35:05, artonio7 wrote:

The middle class and small business owner will end up being crushed under the tax weight and the poor and wealthy won't be contributing much to the overall burden.

;)

What's this "will end up" crap? It's already happened.

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Ghost on Jan 8^th, 2008, 8:48am

on 01/08/08 at 07:20:28, monty wrote:

That's why some of us will not vote Republican - not only has the Republican President launched unconstitutional policies that are bad for the country, the (formerly) Republican Congress has backed him up every step of the way. You mean like Hillary and Algore who also backed him?

If this were in the 1970s, the Republicans would have gotten together and told Mr. Bush and Cheney to resign or be impeached, as they did for Mr. Nixon. Different scenario, apples and oranges.
Instead, we continue with a war that lacks a declaration required by the Constitution, try again congress doesnt decalre it funds
warrantless wiretaps,same as been done for over 20 years torture,heaven forbid we torture terrorist a suspension of habeus corpus, firing of federal prosecutors ask bill about that he fire if I remember right 92 of them who refuse to persecute Democrats, and a long list of other abuses. These won't get fixed by voting Republican.

What was this piece of legislation that Obama proposed?

Ther fixed it for ya.

Mike

Title: Re: Obama & Huckabee win Iowa
Post by Bob P on Jan 8^th, 2008, 9:56am

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An enormous percentage of taxes are payed by a minority of Americans:
The Top 1% of taxpayers pay 29% of all taxes.
The Top 5% of taxpayers pay 50% of all taxes.
Our tax system is not so much progressive as it is confiscatory -- Frederic Bastiat called this phenomenon "legal plunder." A progressive tax is based on the premise that those with more income can afford to pay more taxes, and conversely, those with little or no income should pay no tax. However, a quick look at Graph 1A below shows that the U.S. tax system has become far beyond progressive. Fully half the taxpayers contribute almost nothing in individual income taxes.
The Top 1% of income earners (comprising about 1 million families) earn about 15% of the total income earned by all wage earners in the United States, yet they pay almost 30% of all individual income taxes.
Furthermore, the Top 1% are shouldering a roughly 50% higher proportion of the overall income tax burden than they did in 1977.

http://www.allegromedia.com/sugi/taxes/

from USA Today:

Quote:

People in the top 20% of incomes, averaging $182,700 a year, saw their share of federal taxes decline from 65.3% of total payments in 2001 to 63.5% this year, according to the study by congressional budget analysts.

People can twist tax numbers any way they want. The most common farse is to compare dollars and %. Comparisons need to be one or the other, not a mixture of the two.