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(Message started by: Bob_Baker on Mar 16^th, 2002, 7:40pm)

Title: pinky, LSA?
Post by Bob_Baker on Mar 16^th, 2002, 7:40pm

Could NON-TREATED morning glory seeds possibly stop CH's???? I was reading on some website that morning glory seeds have a chemical called LSA that is extreamly similar to LSD. If LSD stops the beasts what would prevent LSA from doing the trick? Maybe I was reading bad info and I don't know what I'm talking about.. but it's something to be checked out...

Bob ???

Title: Re: pinky, LSA?
Post by pinksharkmark on Mar 17^th, 2002, 7:53pm

Very smart question, Bob. I don't know of any clusterhead who has tried LSA, but I believe there is an excellent chance it would work. Check out these post from last September:

http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messages2/111673.html

http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messages2/111676.html

Look at how similar these two substances are in chemical structure:

http://www.erowid.org/cgi-bin/chem_compare/chem_compare.cgi?LM=%2Fchemicals%2Flsa%2Fimages%2Farchive%2Flsa_3d_mid.jpg&RM=%2Fchemicals%2Flsd%2Fimages%2Farchive%2Flsd_3d_mid.jpg

A little later in September of 2001, someone else posted that 5-MeO-DMT may work as well as psilocin. 5-MeO-DMT is very similar to psilocin, but is not illegal. Here is a molecular comparison between the two:

http://www.erowid.org/cgi-bin/chem_compare/chem_compare.cgi?LM=_pl_mushrooms_ia_psilocin_3d_mid.jpg&RM=_ch_5meo_dmt_ia_5-meo-dmt_3d_mid.jpg

So far I know of no one who has tried it. Although it is not illegal, it is not like you can walk into your local drugstore or high school chemistry lab and pick some up. You would have to order it from a company specializing in research chemicals.

For those of you who may be wondering WHY psilocin should work on clusterheads (a condition known to be associated with abnormal levels of serotonin), here is a comparison of molecules of psilocin and serotonin:

http://www.erowid.org/cgi-bin/chem_compare/chem_compare.cgi?LM=_pl_mushrooms_ia_psilocin_3d_mid.jpg&RM=_ch_other_ia_serotonin_3d_mid.jpg

Here is a comparison of bufotenin (found in the skin excretions of several species of toads) and serotonin:

http://www.erowid.org/cgi-bin/chem_compare/chem_compare.cgi?LM=_ch_bufotenin_ia_bufotenin_3d_mid.jpg&RM=_ch_other_ia_serotonin_3d_mid.jpg

Interesting, no?

I believe there is an excellent chance that all three compounds will work as well as psilocybin mushrooms and LSD, maybe even better, but LSA is the easiest of the three to obtain.

Many people have also suggested that mescaline would work as well as mushrooms or LSD. Mescaline is contained in the San Pedro cactus and in the Peruvian Torch cactus, both of which are perfectly legal and can be obtained from numerous plant nurseries.

pinky

Title: Re: pinky, LSA?
Post by Bob_Baker on Mar 18^th, 2002, 7:14pm

Hmmm.. interesting... I do hope it does work. The more options, the better... BUT i read, regular morning glory seeds are treated with chemicals that will intentionally make you sick if you try to use it to get a "trip".. Therefor you have to buy UNTREATED seeds.. I also read if you wash ur seeds carefully that would work to.. The problem is, i didn't read anything about how much you have to take in order to get any effects... its something to be researched.. Anything to help the cluster head community.....

Bob

Title: Re: pinky, LSA?
Post by Tom on Mar 21^st, 2002, 7:00am

Hi Bob,

as already stated by Pinky: You find everything in erowid ! (www.erowid.org)
Morning Glory a n d Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds contain LSA, the letter in much higher quantities.
Get exact informations about

BOTH PLANTS:
www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory.shtml
www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_dose.shtml
www.erowid.org/plants/hbw/hbw.shtml
www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/natural_highs_faq.shtml#hbwr

EXTRACTION of LSA:
www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction2.shtml
www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction1.shtml
http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Extraction/extract2.html
www.totse.com/en/drugs/psychedelics/make.html

FURTHER INFOS:
nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Misc/NaturalHighsFAQ.html
www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php3?ID=7110
www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php3?ID=5502

PROVIDERS:
www.peruvian-journey.com/Argyreia_nervosa.htm
www.ethnobotanicals.com/hawaiian-baby-woodrose.html

Be careful !

Thomas