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Title: Reflexology Post by Nasser on Oct 7th, 2002, 3:22pm While searching the internet to find more information on reflexology and CH I came across this link http://www.reliefzone.com/headaches.html It is promoting a head instument that does similar work of accupuncture or reflexology However, the information on that page seemed logical to me and provided me with comfort about the methods I am using and applied by my reflexologist.. Has anyone tried this instrument??? Nasser |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by SteveY on Oct 7th, 2002, 3:57pm How much more crap are you going to post? Some cheap website, that tells us CH originates between the skull and the scalp? I give up. Nothing personal Nasser, but people here don't need this shit. You'd know that if you really had CH instead of migraines. So go and lay down in a dark room and FUCKING STAY THERE! Steve |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Ueli on Oct 7th, 2002, 5:56pm Nasser, please "Think logic"! The web site you have given is a collection of medically sounding words (know to every layman) strung together with some abstruse ideas that have no resemblance with modern medical knowledge, like abnormal blood circulation agitating nerve endings which produce agonizing distress and helplessness. The only purpose is to dazzle the unwary reader and to lull him enough so he is ready o spend his money for some useless (or even harmful) gadget. Please excuse us, but we rather stick to "medical researches financed by drug companies and they only understand profit & more profit from drug sales" (a quote from one of your posts). After all they are responsible that most of us live longer and in better health than our ancestors a few generations back (have you ever heard of, by example antibiotics?). To answer your question "Has anyone tried this instrument?" I have listed all threads from this message board about this gadget. Read them attentively and you will see that not only SteveY and I are opposed to your point of view. Ueli New device for instant pain relief??????? (http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messages/3208.html) Question on new relief (http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messages/15096.html) Relaxica Instant Tension Reliever? (http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messages/15551.html) "Relaxica"--snake oil or legit? (http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messages/16158.html) Relaxica???? (http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messages/26211.html) more (http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messages/36490.html) Relaxica (http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messages2/102995.html) Is It Just Me? (http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messages2/113526.html) heard of reliefzone? (http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=medsarchive;action=display;num=1015606878;start=1) |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Charlie on Oct 7th, 2002, 8:35pm Great. One can lighten his wallet or max out the Visa on this useless crap. The one thing you and your ilk will find on the CH.com boards is that we all have pretty good bullshit detectors. We don't even need them for this thing. Not enough room in the woodwork for you? Oh well.....laughter is the best medicine Charlie |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Drk^Angel on Oct 7th, 2002, 10:01pm Hey Nasser... Your name wouldn't happen to be Bob Havers, would it? And how much money do they pay you to come bug us into buyin' this scam? PFDAN............................. Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Starfire3 on Oct 8th, 2002, 10:50am If I offend folks, too flipping bad. I'm a bit offended myself. I don't tolerate rude idiots well on a good day and today is not a good day. My headaches have been hitting daily for over a week, I hurt now, I have to go to a pissing contest business meeting soon, and to make matters just dandy, I HAVE to win the contest. ************* Arrogance and pretend expertise reduces the value of this site. Where else should a person go to ask questions such as Nassar has asked? Pretend experts are dangerous. They shut down the legitimate search for answers by spouting archaic beliefs. None of our 'experts' seem to be able to tell us exactly how and where our headaches originate, yet they sure are certain enough about what is not causing our headaches. They are confident enough of their 'armchair expertise' to feel obligated to be rude and obnoxious to folks who ask questions that our 'experts' don't approve of. This guy isn't even making a controversial statement, he's asking a question. Nor do any of our self proclaimed experts know which exact method will relieve our pain. Yet, at the same time, our 'experts' can immediately identify what won't work without wasting time on evaluation or analysis. Must be nice. Our 'experts' keep rattling on about magic pills that were designed for some other use, have nasty side effects, limited effectivity, and that cause us to be dependent upon chemical companies for our well being. Comments like the ones seen here are inappropriate to productive discussion. Such remarks are just as inappropriate as would be inserting trash talk about our drug dependant folks into each and every topic where somebody mentions a pill. After all, drug dependance is drug dependance regardless of who is pushing the pills. When you cannot live pain free unless you have a certain drug, you weaken yourself. Your dependance puts you under the power of outsiders. You must have money to buy your drug. You are reduced to begging for your drug if your HMO or doctor limits your doses or tries to take it away. You have to hope that your drug is still available when you need it. You are screwed if your drug provider stops producing that particular drug or decides to increase the cost of that particular drug. Not much different from street addiction, is it? Fortunately for the peace of this forum, those of us who prefer not to get on that merry-go-round, or who see drugs as a temporary measure to be tolerated while we search for better answers, don't believe that it is our mission in life to trash talk folks who are being taken for a ride by western medicine. We are apparently better behaved than some of our drug users. We are all searching. If there was an easy answer, none of us would be here, would we? Each of our 'experts' MAY have found something that works for them - at least until their bodies become tolerant to whatever drug is helping them get by. Others have not found what they need and are still searching. I'm not saying that this site Nassar found is legit. I have not analyzed it and so I'm no more qualified to comment upon it than were our 'experts'. I am only saying that his question deserved far better reception than a display of ignorance and trash talk. TO OUR ADMINS Perhaps we need an 'alternative therapies' forum so that folks who insist on magic pills won't have to be irriated by reading about paths that others are exploring. It's important to remember that many 'smoke and mirror' therapies of 5 or 10 years ago - herbal remedies, biofeedback, toxin cleansing, etc - are going mainstream in spite of the way that western medicine, parmaceutical companies, and 'magic pill' proponents lobby against them. It's happening because many of them work. - Grumpy Starfire |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Drk^Angel on Oct 8th, 2002, 12:26pm If Nasser was really looking for an answer, he would have searched for it. He did not, so therefore it's far more likely he just wanted to draw attention to a website that is more than likely not legit. Therefore, he is in effect spamming us, which is not tolerated on any forum. Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by SteveY on Oct 8th, 2002, 12:47pm Rude? Me? I'm not even warmed up yet. To answer a few of your points, Arrogance and pretend expertise reduces the value of this site. Where else should a person go to ask questions such as Nassar has asked? Mars? Pretend experts are dangerous. They shut down the legitimate search for answers by spouting archaic beliefs. None of our 'experts' seem to be able to tell us exactly how and where our headaches originate, yet they sure are certain enough about what is not causing our headaches. They are confident enough of their 'armchair expertise' to feel obligated to be rude and obnoxious to folks who ask questions that our 'experts' don't approve of. This guy isn't even making a controversial statement, he's asking a question. Read ALL his posts, then look up treatments on the OUCH website. Fortunately for the peace of this forum, those of us who prefer not to get on that merry-go-round, or who see drugs as a temporary measure to be tolerated while we search for better answers, don't believe that it is our mission in life to trash talk folks who are being taken for a ride by western medicine. We are apparently better behaved than some of our drug users. You go and inhale some steam and take herbs if you like, I'll stick with western medicine. I'm not saying that this site Nassar found is legit. We agree on something then. TO OUR ADMINS Perhaps we need an 'alternative therapies' forum so that folks who insist on magic pills won't have to be irriated by reading about paths that others are exploring As you have been a member here for a full 7 days, can I suggest that rather than change the site to suit your needs you go and form a site of your own and take Nasser with you. www.crapthatdoesnotwork.com Finally, can I say that this board is at times funny, sad, entertaining and enlightening. It is never boring, it also helps to have a sense of humour when you post, so chill out. Hope you have a better day tomorrow. Steve |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Nasser on Oct 8th, 2002, 12:58pm Listen Guys..It could be a scam. I have looked at all the pictures posted and there is not a single close up.. It looks like some kind of gogles with a small box on the front I cannot see how it can apply accupresure and so on.. But the written introduction about HA and the muscle tone made a lot of sense to me especially it matches the information given to me by my reflexologist.......may be with different terminology.. |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Ted on Oct 8th, 2002, 1:03pm Steve, your posts are usually pretty funny. Just wanted to thank you for the laughs. Don't go by my opinion though. I'm just a pretend expert on humor. Hey jonny. I think Starfire falls into the category of telling us how the board should be run after just getting here. Therefore, Star? Screw you. No one cares if you're offended or about your meeting. really. Not one single person. "Pretend expertise," huh? Many of us have spent years researching CHs and, quite honestly, are experts. What gets shut down is BS claims of things that work and accept and propogate things that do work. Hence you'll see the shroom theory discussed here a lot, which, by the way, was only accepted here after MUCH scrutiny and skepticism. But, because of it's legitimacy it did make it through here. WaterX3 is another case in point. Now, if you don't like reading about why certain snakeoil gizmos are quackery then skip by the posts and buy yourself every single thing someone mentions here. As a matter of fact, some people advocate masturbation as a cure. So feel free to try it out and go fuck yourself! |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Riccardo on Oct 8th, 2002, 1:19pm uh? My two cents (of Euros): I agree on the poor (inexistent) content of this crap. I never believed in reflexology, scientology, fu@kology and, go figure, accupunt...urology. I never believed in my urologist!!!! But, why you are mad at eachother for this? If I post s#it, only poor people would use these devices. And I'm not (nor Ted, sorry friend!) the person that can change their poor ideas. Then..... let's laugh at this crap, and stop here. It's risky to attack someone on weird things. Next day you'll discover that your best friend USE it!!!! So, I'm not "accommodating" or "nice", or "good man".... but .... it is only risky and not useful to do. |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Ted on Oct 8th, 2002, 1:27pm No problem, Riccardo. But I do disagree with you. We've had many people coming here asking about quackery and HAVE changed there minds on wasting their money and time on it. It's a pretty good track record, although not perfect. So, with education we can and have changed people's minds on it. |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Riccardo on Oct 8th, 2002, 1:32pm May be, Ted. I think that, if a person can change idea so quickly, so quicky can return to his.... bad habits. But I don't want to say you're wrong, what I have said can't apply to all the mankind.... for sure. I just want to stop a bit that fighting... ;D ;D ;D Ciao (oh if you reply now, I wo'nt answer... I'm coming home now.... you have to wait until tomorrow ) |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by curtisdsc on Oct 8th, 2002, 2:05pm well i dont know if my question yesterday on massage was quackery or not. i do know i am real glad i spent my money on my neuro what ever the hell its name was massage. especially after the little girl given it streched my head and neck using the portion of her body she chose for leverage. ;) i think i am going back tomorrow and tell her the front of my face hurts ;D. oh goody goody i am setting my appointment now. :D come on everyone in with the good air out with the bad. |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Ted on Oct 8th, 2002, 2:09pm Screw pain relief. What's your neuros number? :-) |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by jmorgan52 on Oct 8th, 2002, 2:29pm Hi Ted, good advice but wanking and sex is far from my mind when the big one strikes, getting a stiffy (woody in USA?) is impossible at the time I reckon. Alternatives to drugs is what most people really want. As you say some tried and tested methods are here, some VERY ILLEGAL that could land you in jail if you get caught, others like waterx3 may well help too if you really drink enough which I doubt most people have the willpower to actually do. As you may know I have had success with my detox diet. If I could just get more people to give it a go instead of flaming the idea then maybe we could add it to the list of scrutinised alternatives who knows. I saw the funny Relaxica device earlier this year when researching during a ch episode, it comes up near the top of an internet search! but soon found evidence of it being BS. But people are gullable and prepared to try anything that offers hope. I for one was sick of begging my doc for more eapensive imigran injections which do work but don't really cure. All the scientific stuff the experts propound is great but.. so far I now know that dilated arteries cause the pain, (imogran fixes this temporarily by contracting them)and maybe enlarged hypothalmus causes the chemicals to be released to set this off, but...... why? This is the one nobody can really answer yet. Is it unwanted chemicals in the body from shitty diet? Is it stress induced? Maybe the waterx3 (maybe should read x20) and the detox it causes flushes them out? Glad you are still here too Ricardo, thought you were pissed off with all the fighting on the site and were leaving. I agree - take it or leave it. The rudeness sometimes helps wake us up to the stupid ideas we may have according to others, sometimes it just puts people off trying what may well help them. As for "Western medicine" it is mostly all about revenue. Asvfor "eastern medicine" are billions of chinese all wrong about what they believe in and is becoming mainstream? I doubt it. Be more open minded everyone! Give Nasser a break, If you don't like what he says just ignore him. He is just looking for an answer like the rest of us. WE can make our own minds up if what he says is BS. We are mature adults aren't we? We really don't need non-constructive rudeness to clutter the postings so that when we find a hot topic in this forum we rush to view it only to find fighting bullshit. I have gotten over the rudeness myself now, especially since I have been ha free for 5 months. I am now more tolerant. As for headache in general, not just ch which is worst case, go into any pharmacy and what do you see. TONS of headache relief drugs. Why? Because billiions suffer from HA. Why? perhaps from too much junk food, preservatives, pollution, stress, salt, tobacco, eggs, bread, overstimulation, alcohol, sweets. sodas, sedentary lifestyle, tv, and anything else you care think of? Who really knows? When I was a child just about all adults smoked. It took many decades to find the connection with cancer which is now irrefutable since the late 50's. But has it stopped people smoking? NO! Just ask philip morris and co. Now the connection between diet and health is propounded all around us. Poor diet is known to cause cancer, it also causes may other illnesses, why not CH? How many take notice? How many prople here are prepared to eat and drink right for a few months and see if it cures them???? I love this site. J |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by SteveY on Oct 8th, 2002, 3:18pm I love this site too. I just think Nasser is a complete dickhead ;D Ted your post worried me with the spelling of humour, got the dictionary out, it said humor in U.S so thats OK. It's chill out time, so Nasser I love you, please keep posting your crap ;) PFDAN to all. Steve |
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Title: Long :( sorry Post by Starfire3 on Oct 8th, 2002, 4:38pm I may have just started posting here but I am no novice to forums or to headaches or to standard healing techniques or to alternative healing techniques or to the scientific method. You seem to be questioning my credentials before accepting my opinions so I'll share a bit. Perhaps you will share in return so we can evaluate how valid your opinion is. - Forums - I've been participating in internet newsgroups-BBS's-forums since 1984. I've seen many good forums gradually become useless sources of old information when rudeness to others is accepted and when new blood is not encouraged. Courtesy, consideration for others and for their opinions, sharing information, and open logical discussion is what keeps support forums going. Failing that, they become inbred hangouts for the same old crowd discussing the same old stuff. I'm still analyzing this forum to see if it has ongoing relevance or if it is imploding. In the short time I've been monitoring the forum, I've noticed that drug therapy is respected; but that very little else is. Newcomers are welcomed and then blasted for non-compliance to unwritten rules. Few 'old timers' participate regularly and the ones who do, rarely have anything positive to say except 'howdy' and 'good drug that one'. This makes me wonder if the forum is evolving or stagnating. - Headaches - I've been actively researching my headaches for 30 years. Prior to that, my mother spent her adult life trying to find ways to live with her headaches. She could have answered the CH quiz questions properly just like all of us can. (So could her grandmother and her uncle, BTW.) During that time, we both came to the conclusion that drugs are temporary solutions at best. They hide problems, mask symptoms, cause dependancy upon others, become ineffective when you need them most, and most importantly, they don't keep the headaches from coming back. - Western Healing - I am medically trained. I was 5 courses and an internship away from finishing a course study in Cardiovascular Perfusion Technology when I changed career plans. I was an A student and I understand the workings of the human body much better than most laymen do. - Alternative Medicine - My family has been treating ourselves with reflexology, herbs, diet, etc since 1970 or so. We rarely use doctors. When we do, we recognize that we are in control of our healing and we use the doctor as a consultant and a tool for obtaining tests or meds. There wasn't a holistic doctor or herbalist on every corner back then so we did our own research and experimentation. We have long known that herbs are drugs and we have always treated them with respect. - Scientific method - I am scientifically trained and I work in a scientific lab environment. I understand controlled experimentation. I understand that treating symptoms does not resolve the underlying causes of the symptoms and that without resolving underlying causes, you cannot achieve real, measurable and permanent results. For these reasons, I don't reach for drugs or herbs except as a last resort. Drugs mask symptoms that can give hints to cause and effect. It is my position that there must be an underlying cause or causes for our headaches. Humans were not designed with headaches. Headaches are abberations. They are symptoms of, and are caused by, something wrong or out of balance. Does all this make me special? Nope. Not to anybody but me and mine anyway. :) But it does point out that it is foolish to assume that just because you have not spoken to a person before, their opinion and observations are not of much value. You often end up looking rather stupid when you slap down your own credentials and they don't measure up to the guy or gal you called out. - Starfire, IMHO |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Charlie on Oct 8th, 2002, 4:41pm One thing we are not is boring. I think we do a damn good job saving sufferers time and money by pointing out stupidity in our sometimes quirky fashion. Perhaps it's good that these Q-Ray bracelet wearers, coral calcium munchers, colon flushers, and diet freaks, come here. What better way to assemble and expose expensive, useless, and sometimes dangerous stuff? At least here, we don't charge for our advice to avoid things that are sold with the sole purpose of lightening wallets. There is no medical conspiracy to withhold successful therapies. Just about every doctor would storm the walls to help their patients with something as nasty as cluster headaches. Those who sell "secret," and expensive devices thrive on such beliefs. Yes indeed, there are many "experts" here that know how to spot cranks, purveyors of snake oil, and recycled crackpot medical "miracles." Perhaps we are sometimes harsh in our criticism, but now and then, a little "push" is needed to encourage critical thinking. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by SteveY on Oct 8th, 2002, 5:18pm IMHO means knack all to me. My family don't use doctors, we use them for tests? You're not from the deep south are you? you know where your Mothers actually your Sister? We have places like that in England. It's illegall here though. So Miss Scientist, tell us more about your qualifications. Sounds like you quit one course before qualifying and now work in a lab, studying what? This site will implode? Well it's been going strong now for 4 years without your help. Slap down my credentials, I'd love to, are you going to the next convention? Finally, Thanks for your comments and observations and theories, but as they say, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Good Bye Steve |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Bob P on Oct 8th, 2002, 5:29pm Hey Drk, Where did you get the name Bob Havers? I do believe that is lcbob's real name (the guy who wrote symphony for the devil and came up with the OUCH acronym). As for the glasses. A few people have purchased them and given them a try ( followed immediately by giving them the boot because they are useless). They rank right up there with magnets fastened around the head. |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Drk^Angel on Oct 8th, 2002, 5:45pm Star... I think you may be following a just cause, but you're fighting the wrong battle. We are not saying, "Drugs good, herbs bad." If you read through this site, you'll see alternative treatments being discussed, such as melatonin, feverfew, drinking water, shrooms, etc... You'll also see alot of ppl putting down drugs that don't work, such as pain killers. What we are trying to do, is stop the misinformation, and spam that are constantly trying to invade this forum. You say you've used computer forums for quite a while, then you should be aware that a major cause of ppl losing interest with a forum is when that forum becomes saturated with misinformation and spam. That is what we are trying to prevent. I would think most of us would be all for a "natural" remedy, or alternative treatment that works, but most of us also get tired of the constant stream of posts by ppl claiming to find a "cure", especially when that "cure" has been disproven time and time again. An effective drug is much more useful that a worthless scam anyday. Sometimes, ppl may inadvertently post about a treatment that has already been discussed and disproven, or found to be a complete scam, and that is why the new visitors page recommends that you read the boards, search the archives, and follow the links before posting, so that the information that has already been assembled, or the discussions that have come before can be used to the best of one's ability. Then, if there are further questions, or if they can't find the information, then post it to the board for discussion. All we expect is that someone who's serious about their topic be willing to take the time to research, and provide an intelligent start for the thread. Ppl gain alot of respect here when they show that they are at least trying to follow the simple proceedures recommended by the webmaster. PFDAN............................. Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Drk^Angel on Oct 8th, 2002, 5:48pm Bob... On the website that Nasser posted, there's a testimonial from a clusterhead, Bob Havers, saying that the contraption is effective for his clusters. PFDAN...................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by pjbgravely on Oct 8th, 2002, 6:10pm Starfire, I agree with most of what you have to say but not the way you say it. I have a natural abortive I have been testing on myself. fortunatly I was down to shadows with no CH's when I got it. It does stop shadows in thier tracks and I believe it must raise BP. I will never beable to tell anyone on this group about it becouse of all the flak I would get that would probably surface anytime I tried to help someone. I won't know If it works on CH for probably two years. So everyone loses,(I lose too becouse I won't know If it does work and won't be inclined to find something else), ah such is life. PJB |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Bob P on Oct 8th, 2002, 6:12pm Well I'll be a sob! It is lcbob. I thought I remembered him saying what a waste they were on the old message board. I've just shot him an e-mail to see if this is really how he feels about the vibrating glasses. Did I ever tell you about the time drummer put the vibrating glasses on Mr. Happy and chased his wife around the house? |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Margi on Oct 8th, 2002, 6:41pm THANK you Bob. That's been driving me crazy all day trying to place the name, bob havers. It really IS lcbob - the man who came up with the name and start of OUCH!! where IS he? And, so THAT's what relaxica's good for. Trust Drummer to come up with that. (Oh, and good post up there, Elaine. ;) didn't want to steal your thunder by posting over top of you.) |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Starfire3 on Oct 8th, 2002, 6:55pm Charlie - You are absolutely right to encourage critical thinking, but critical thinking is not the same as criticism and the results are radically different. Critical Thinking starts with analysis. It breeds discussion rather than discouragement. When done properly it is a team effort rather than an attack upon ideas. It also needs to be applied evenly - drugs, herbs, and both western and eastern therapies need to be evaluated critically before using them. When analyzing therapies that are new to me I use critical thinking even if the therapy has been around for a long time. I run the therapy or med through a pretty tight sanity check. I ask questions such as: - What does it do to the human body - exactly? - Why will that help my headaches? (if a doctor or therapist can't answer that, they're using me as a lab rat) - Most importantly, which biological systems does it screw around with and what can possibly go wrong? IMO it's better to suffer ha than take a pill or treatment that I don't understand or that might cause future problems. I don't wish to have renal failure or high blood pressure in 10 or 20 years to keep me occupied between headaches. Folks who don't take control of their own health by using critical thinking make themselves into pawns. Most of the time the doctor has never studied CH, doesn't have time to keep up on medical journals, gets their drug recommendation list from the HMO or a drug salesman, and spends 10 minutes or less in the room getting the bare bones of the situation before tossing out a scrip for some drug or other. Unless the doctor understands your whole picture including lifestyle, triggers etc, it's snake oil - very, very, expensive snake oil. That doesn't mean that they don't get lucky - especially if we tell them what to do because we researched it for them, but still...... On the other hand, if a treatment is benign (steam inhalation using certain cooking herbs, reflexology, excercise, or Tai Chi for example) I'll give it a shot (the pain time experiments that I mentioned as well as some between pain experiments that I've mentioned elsewhere) I do this without worrying about whether or not I'm raising false hopes in myself. I've heard that expressed as a concern in other threads, but it doesn't bother me. Experimenting both gives me something to do instead of bitching about how my head hurts :) and sometimes even works. As an aside, rarely do the alternative therapies that I look into cost much, if any, money so maybe I haven't yet run across the ones that so irritate some folks here. - Starfire PS - I like the way you have trained your little smiley dude to do your violent excercizes for you (releases pain relieving endorphins and increases oxygen intake BTW - but I bet you already knew that this might be why it works). Wish I had one that I could train to eat right for me. Better yet, wish I could get one to have my ha for me. |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Charlie on Oct 8th, 2002, 9:12pm Basically you're right. I and a couple others here just want to be sure that people use a little common sense and try an MD as well if you're gonna pig out on caraway seeds, or try some miracle. It's too easy to waste money on wishful thinking. The "miracles" almost always have a hefty price tag. In my collectible business, I've run across dozens of lunatic electric belts, Ultra Violet Ray wands that millions bought. Today, Marriette Hartley sells a video about natural eye exercise. Not new. They don't tell you it dates about 1920 from Dr. Bates who sold thousands of useless eye exercise devices to "strengthen" eye muscles. Nothing is new. One can understand the appeal though. I don’t mind strange stuff on the board so long as it doesn’t come from snake oil salesmen. They are fun though. Actually the stuff you're trying is as you say: harmless. Who knows? Maybe you will find something that isn't nuts. Until then, tempered skepticism is a healthy thing. My little guy has worn out 7,452,891 pairs of sneakers. I spend all my time looking for wholesale shoes. I really like the little twerp and I have Todd to thank for the sparks. The other "smile dances" don't have that. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Ueli on Oct 8th, 2002, 9:16pm Starfire, From 2 of your statements Quote:
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I for myself am very happy for the "very, very, expensive snake oil" hat the insurance company buys for me, at the recommendation of my neuro. It brought me down from 2 to 5 screamers a day to an occasional twinge, easily aborted with oxygen. From what you tell us, your holistic approach brought you 30 years of pain. If you want to take this, for ideologic reason, is your own business, but don't expect to find many disciples. I too would like to find a treatment for the cause of CH, but while waiting for this I'll take what "the oh so greedy" pharma industry has to offer. Would you recommend to someone who lost a foot in an accident to wait until it's found out how to grow a new foot (after all, some lizards can do that) and in the mean time decline a prosthesis as this does its job only in an imperfect manner? IMHO, this site has not only the purpose to tell what worked for many, or at least a few, but also to warn people from useless approaches that only extend suffering. A recommendation on how to brush the hair to relieve tension headaches does not belong here, and it receives the bashing it deserves. PFNADs Ueli |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Drk^Angel on Oct 9th, 2002, 12:52am Star... You said you'd rather suffer a headache that use a treatment that you are not sure of, how are you so sure that some of these "natural" treatments are safe, and won't cause adverse effects down the line? There's been many times that a herbal or "natural" treatment for whatever has been found to either be completely ineffective, unsafe, and sometimes deadly. Seems to me there's just as much risk in "natural" treatments as the pharmaceutical kind. PFDAN.............................. Drk^Angel |
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Title: lcbob Post by Bob P on Oct 9th, 2002, 8:37am Talked with lcbob this morning. Still getting hit about once a day. He said that he uses the glasses about twice a month. Puts them on backwards with the vibrator above/behind his cluster ear. Helps him relax for anything up to a Kip3. Anything over that and they are useless. Thought of writing the website about removing his testimony but figured it was useless. Bob Havers does not endorse the glasses as a cure for CH! |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Drk^Angel on Oct 9th, 2002, 12:44pm Ya know... It's bad enough when a company makes up a testimonial with a made up name, but it totally rediculous when they either make up, or modify a testimonial from a real person. Sorry lcbob for accusin' you of bein' Nasser. PFDAN.............................. Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by gtar_man on Oct 9th, 2002, 3:53pm OK, PJB, now you've sparked our interest. Give it up - we won't be mean - er, well, some of us won't anyway. Oh, and SteveY - there is a group of people who get more bad press about inbreeding than we here in the South. The British royal family. Where did Charles get those ears? |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by pjbgravely on Oct 9th, 2002, 5:03pm Not proven for CH. I have told it to someone who was truly desperate and thier cycle ended before they could get it. This is not for someone who can't use Imitrex. E-mail or IM me for details. PJB |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Starfire3 on Oct 10th, 2002, 9:36am Hello all - Sorry it took so long to reply - life happens and I wanted to be able to look over Nassar's find before replying. First off, the site Nassar found: Lots of the medicalese sounds like it's promoting a specialized street version of whatever that machine is that chiropractors attach to your back before your adjustment. However, I think that this unit is really just a vibrator and I already have one of those, thanks. :) But, that really wasn't my point of my hissy fit. My point was the way his input was received. Not one reason was given to explain why responders thought it was so much crap (teach those who might fall prey). All he got was growling and nastyness (slap with no data). One statement "I think it's just a specialty vibrator" would have done it without resorting to personal insults. Nuff said. 30 years of pain - Maybe I'll never be completely pain free. Happens to some people. However, I truly believe that the pain is much milder than it would have been without the diet, excercise, and relaxation techniques I use. I believe that I have primary pain that's caused by several things and secondary pain that's caused by my muscles reacting to the primary pain (stress reaction). I believe that the secondary pain is what turns it from kip 3, 4 or 5 into a screaming ha. I used to have a screaming ha once or twice a week during ha season. When I'm doing things right, they only hit maybe once a season. On the flip side, as I said in my first post, ha season seems to be all year long lately. I have some theories as to why that is happening but that's another discussion. The only pertinent theory/reason is stupidity. Several years ago I went through a time of few ha - almost PF ;D. I got to feeling really normal and I got stupid and cocky. I also had many life changes that took my attention away from me and my needs. I got slack about doing preventative behaviors that I've learned will reduce pain. Stuff doesn't work if you don't do it. I've also been doing behaviors that I know can bring on pain. I ate 4 bags (4 BAGS!) of chocolate covered graham crackers in one week shortly before my most recent screaming ha. (stupid, stupid, stupid). I found this site as I tried to regroup because this ha season is reminiscent of the days of old and I'm not going back there. NOT! NOT! NOT! I guess I'm still looking for a forum where found therapies can be rationally discussed - with neither mindless bashing nor mindless edifying. While this site is a wonderful resource for which I am grateful, it apparently isn't what I'm hunting for. Does anybody know where there is such a forum? - Starfire |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by jmorgan52 on Oct 10th, 2002, 10:05am well done, nicely put starfire. I like the idea of correction and explanation without all the abuse and attack that goes on here. I keep coming back here because this is the only half decent site for help and amongst all the fighting there is some good stuff. "Alternative" ideas are met with scepticism and rebuke here. Eastern medicine and detoxification and fasting are highly rated as cures. So what if the ideas are old or ancient. It does not make them invalid. Look at how many painkillers are sold in the west where these ideas are not that acceptable. Do billions of easterners have such a booming drug industry? Do they suffer from headaches? Do they know how to cure them? Maybe. Visit www.findarticles.com and have a look at CH related topics and see for yourself and make an informed opinion. Just don't put everyone else off by attacking them. I have been looking there to try and validate my own theories for some sort of toxicity in our bodies causing these HA since being knocked and ridiculed by various guys - guess who?. My detox theory holds up well in many articles by "real experts". I read that the average american could be carrying up to around 5kgs of toxic chemicals stored in fat cells. It sounds preposterous but may well be true. It seems everything from cancer to radiation poisoning can be cured by medically controlled fasting. Wht not headaches? How many here have tried this or are even prepared to entertain the idea, which has grown on me a lot in the last 5 months. They will happily (wrong word, but you know what I mean) suffer pain and drugs for months or years, but won't go without food (or just eat fruit/veg as a compromise for 3 - 5 days and drink a gallon of water a day to see if it helps. A single strand of hair contains enough indicators of toxic subtances to frighten you. Ask the forensic scientist community. From crop sprays like DDT banned years ago and still found in polar birds now to car fumes inhaled. Where do you think they go? Surely the affect us in many ways. I'm ranting a bit so I'll end this post, but maybe we need to look beyong drugs and look at prevention. |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by LTBullitt on Oct 10th, 2002, 10:28am I've tried Fuckology but have had very little luck. |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by Starfire3 on Oct 10th, 2002, 3:24pm Silly LT, that's supposed to cure migranes, not CH. :D And I also believe that all the chemicals we are ingesting affect our overall health. After all, the little pills they give us have headaches as side effects, why not the crap they are feeding our food? |
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Title: Re: Reflexology Post by SteveY on Oct 10th, 2002, 5:12pm I guess I'm still looking for a forum where found therapies can be rationally discussed - with neither mindless bashing nor mindless edifying. While this site is a wonderful resource for which I am grateful, it apparently isn't what I'm hunting for. Does anybody know where there is such a forum? - Starfire No, but hopefully you're going then? Steve |
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