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(Message started by: Tiannia on Dec 30th, 2003, 1:54pm)

Title: Sleep Apnea??
Post by Tiannia on Dec 30th, 2003, 1:54pm
What do you all think of the theroy that CLusters can be triggered or an underlying cause of Sleep Apnea?  How many have been tested for it and how many have it?  My husbands comment is if I cant get a doc to prescribe O2 for Clusters maybe if I can get diagnosed with Sleep Apnea, then I might get my O2 that way.

Whatcha think guys?

Tia

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by Brian_Y on Dec 30th, 2003, 2:06pm
I have heard it's the other way around. Sleep apnea be causin' clusters, yo.

Check it out, booooyyyyyyy....

I believe it to be possible. Go for the test.

Post number 501, beeyatches.

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by thomas on Dec 30th, 2003, 2:58pm
I know there's a lot of stuff in the archives about this subject, was one of the big topics of discussion when I first found this place so many years ago.  Welcome to the most painful hall of fame in the world Mr Y.

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by Opus on Dec 30th, 2003, 4:59pm
The first year I finally got treated for sleep apnea I found out I had clusters with my first 10, they were 7's max before that. They may be related for me but treatment for sleep apnea either made clusters worse, or they have no relation with each other.

Opus/Paul

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by jonny on Dec 30th, 2003, 5:22pm
IF I get hit during the day do I call it "Wake apnea"?

.................................jonny

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by Tim_w on Dec 30th, 2003, 7:01pm
Tia
I have Sleep Apnea ,I quit breathing 69 time an hour!
I must start again I'm hear in the morin ::)
I never heard of getting o2 for sleep apnea
I have a machine but it has nothing to do with o2
Doctors that I go to say no conection [smiley=huh.gif]
Plus I have no luck with o2 for my CH :(
Pfdan to ya Timw

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 30th, 2003, 7:06pm
I, too suffer from wake appnea.



what was I saying...???  


L

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by jonny on Dec 30th, 2003, 7:09pm
Im still waiting on the "Out of cycle apnea" ;;D

.................................jonny

Just so everyone here knows and I dont hurt anyones feelings......Im just playing cause in MHO I think the two have nothing to do with each other from all Ive read here.....Whew!!!!, long winded.....LMAO ;;D

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by Brian_Y on Dec 30th, 2003, 7:17pm

on 12/30/03 at 19:09:09, jonny wrote:
Im still waiting on the "Out of cycle apnea" ;;D

.................................jonny

Just so everyone here knows and I dont hurt anyones feelings......Im just playing cause in MHO I think the two have nothing to do with each other from all Ive read here.....Whew!!!!, long winded.....LMAO ;;D


That is dope!!!

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by Cerberus on Dec 30th, 2003, 7:31pm
I reckon anything is possible............Woobie says mebbie I should oughta go 'n' git the sleep test thing done, I dunno, I have trouble sleeping normally, whats a test gonna prove?  [smiley=huh.gif]


Then again.....

Ramon

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by CJohnson on Dec 31st, 2003, 8:57am
 Not eveyone who gets clusters has sleep apnea.
Not everyone with sleep apnea suffers from clusters.
However, If you have a GENETIC DISPOSITION for both clusters AND sleep apnea the one could be making the other worse.

An interesting thing about sleep apnea is that it causes blood vessels to constrict. Long periods of apnea lead to Hypoxia. Hypoxia tends to cause blood vessels to dilate.

Also, sypathetic nerve activity is increased in sleep apnea, but this is likely not relevant as it is the parasympathetic nervous system and the trigeminovascular system which are active during a cluster attack.

http://www.hmc.psu.edu/k30/archive/00-01_files/uleuenberger.html

http://sleephelpusa.com/whatis.phtml

PFDANs
-Curtis

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by Edna on Dec 31st, 2003, 2:57pm
"Just so everyone here knows and I dont hurt anyones feelings......"


WHO IS THIS MASKED MAN???    lol

luv ya jonny

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by jonny on Dec 31st, 2003, 3:00pm
Com'on Edna, there must be one other time that I was nice........Hmmmmm, maybe not....LMAO ;;D

.........................jonny

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by floridian on Dec 31st, 2003, 3:33pm
One study found that apnea or related sleep breathing disorders occured in more than half of all clusterheads.  One pattern or rule of thumb .... if sleep apnea is a trigger for you, your headaches are more likely to occur soon after falling asleep (first half of night).  If they start around dawn, apnea is less likely to be a trigger.

See:
Neurology. 2000 Jun 27;54(12):2302-6. /  Neurology. 2001 Apr 10;56(7):984.   Sleep disordered breathing in patients with cluster headache.   Chervin RD, Zallek SN, Lin X, Hall JM, Sharma N, Hedger KM.

There was a discussion of this issue a few months ago - somebody (an airline pilot) was interested in this approach, got a mouthpiece to wear at night to prevent apnea, and said that the clusters stopped cold.  Not a surefire cure for all people, but might be worth a shot.  Apnea itself is worth treating.

Title: Re: Sleep Apnea??
Post by athos12 on Dec 31st, 2003, 5:10pm
I have a combination of central and obstructive apnea....

It had dissapeared after I had a deviated septum repaired and my nose roto rootered....  but the tissues in my nose have returned to where they were and I am back almost to where I was before.....

My neuro is convinced that the 2 are related.

http://www.respiratoryreviews.com/sep00/rr_sep00_clusterheadaches.html


But then again there are many that do not have CH and do have apnea....

My CH's are indescriminate of time, place, or venue. Maybe it is related to poor sleep or lack of O2... I am not sure...



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