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Title: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Paul98 on Dec 15th, 2006, 4:20pm I didn't want to hijack Helen's thread so I started one to see what folks think. In her thread about Jas, she said: "We had a bit of an incident at Kings Cross (train station) which upset me. Jasper was singing his favourite Christmas carol and a Muslim woman came up to me and said she found it offensive that my child was singing Christian songs" Also, last week, the bunch of Immans that were taken off the plane because of "worshiping" in a way that made people very nervous.... Has there been in the last several years an increase in assertiveness from Muslums about their religion? Do you folks think it acceptable for one person of faith to tell another person of a different faith that they are offended by that persons expression of faith? Should ALL forms of public expression of faith be it verbal, dress or ornamentation be forbiden? I do not practice a religion however I do have my beliefs. I feel as long as a persons practice of their faith does not directly infringe on another person I really feel that ya should just be tolerant. The lawsuits and crap I read about today from people that are "offended" is a joke. Get a life. -P. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by LeLimey on Dec 15th, 2006, 4:24pm I love living in a multi-cultural society. I love letting my kids goto Diwali celebrations and Chinese New Year and everything else. I think practising tolerance and respect is the best thing we can teach our kids. Sadly, my respecting others beliefs doesn't always mean they respect mine. I'd like to see everyone free to do their own thing providing it doesn't hurt or degrade others and have everyone else tolerant of my views too (subject to the same considerations) I really don't think that is too much to ask at all. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 15th, 2006, 4:27pm This should be a good one! ;;D Personally, I'd tell that woman to f_ck off and go back to working on her suicide belt. Then I'd explain to my child that a piece of shit CAN walk and talk despite what science says. As far as the Immams or what ever they are, I would stand outside their place of worship with a big sign that says " free bomb making lessons, please come in". |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Mattrf on Dec 15th, 2006, 4:46pm As long as they don’t come up to my door and try to convert me they can do what they want. But I think she reacted right in what she said and did, if they are so offended about such things then they should live somewhere that people only practice what they deem as acceptable. It blows me away that someone would have the nerve to say a child singing Christmas carols is offensive, well I find 911 offensive, but that’s just me. Matt |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by FramCire on Dec 15th, 2006, 4:56pm I thought this would have a picture of the Iron Shiek headbutting Brother Love. Merry Christmas to all those who it doesn't offend. Happy Hannukah to those who it doesn't offend. Have a great _______ (pick your holiday or day of the week) To those I offended.... I am very sorry. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 15th, 2006, 5:32pm on 12/15/06 at 16:27:10, JeffB wrote:
Are you a member of the Klan, too, or you just hate all Muslims? Timothy McVeigh died for your sins!! Onward Christian Patriots!! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by BobG on Dec 15th, 2006, 5:33pm The muslim woman was very wrong. The mother of the child should have ask if her green card was up to date. To the Muslims of the world I just want to wish you "A Very Merry Christmas, Fuckhead. Now go home and kill your family. Please. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by jimmers on Dec 15th, 2006, 5:44pm Flo, I think you stepped over the line on this one. We'll see. Jimmers |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 15th, 2006, 5:46pm on 12/15/06 at 17:33:28, BobG wrote:
:-[ You sure got the spirit of Christmas down, Bob. Like holding it down and stomping on its face. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 15th, 2006, 5:48pm on 12/15/06 at 17:44:53, jimmers wrote:
I'm not afraid to call bigotry what it is - bigotry. We've seen it on the thread about Hindus earlier this week, and we are seeing it here. Christio-facism bigotry. You [censored by the BBS software] bring shame to the teachings and life of Christ. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 15th, 2006, 6:11pm Not with the Klan, but if I have to put up with their shit then they should do the same. Who says I have to like anyone , Flo? Isn't that the great thing about freedom of speech? If the muslims want to live like they are still in the stone age, fine, but do it somewhere else and quit degrading the American way of life and chipping away at our principals. The United States was a lot safer till those fuckers started flooding the country. Standing up like a bunch of idiots on a plane....geez, and then claiming to be targeted and singled out. They achieved what they wanted on that plane and are forcing their way of life down our throats. I think you need an appointment with Dr. Ali, Bud! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by chewy on Dec 15th, 2006, 6:24pm I would have offered to buy the arrogant bitch a ham sandwhich to make up for it then told her to go fuck herself. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 15th, 2006, 6:31pm Where's that friggin MOAB when you need it?? I hope my M-60 was shooting straight when we opened up on that oil platform in the Persian Gulf back in 88. ;;D ;) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Charlie on Dec 15th, 2006, 6:33pm I'm not a Christian nor a Jew but I like a lot of their stuff. The way it's done here seems kinda interesting most of the time. I decided to give them a lot of space. Basically, so long as religious stuff doesn't get in my way of enjoying life, fine. Even if it does, I'm reluctant to spend a lot of money and time litigating such stuff. Life is too effen short. So far we do it well over here. I don't mind Mormons coming to my house most of the time. They're usually nice too and get my message. We live in a culture that puts up with a lot of goofy stuff....however; if you want to scare the shit out of airline passengers, you have to undestand that that is scary and is getting in my way. So is picking on a kid at Christmas. Geeze what a waste of time, energy and money it is to rant and rave about you're version of God. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/GOOD NIGHT GRAVE.gif |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 15th, 2006, 6:41pm I'm not in church on sundays, usually I am cooking breakfast and getting ready for whatever I'm gonna do or watch. But it irks me to no end when I wonder if it's still o.k. to say Merry Christmas these days. Some of my fondest memories are of the holidays I spent in Germany, we were glad to incorporate some of the German traditions like putting a boot outside the front door for goodies. These days, fuggetaboutit, sooner or later we will cave in to these folks who are oh so tolerant, it will be because of libs like Flo that we will have to watch every word we say as not to offend. Sad. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by M.R. on Dec 15th, 2006, 6:43pm Skater 'Stunned' by Christmas Carol Cutoff AOL Wire Services RIVERSIDE, Calif. (Dec. 14) - Olympic figure skater Sasha Cohen was "stunned" to learn that a U.S. high school choir had been ordered to stop singing Christmas carols at a holiday show because she is half Jewish, her mother said on Thursday. A city employee, accompanied by a police officer, approached the Rubidoux High School Madrigals at the Riverside Outdoor Ice Skating Rink just as they launched into "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" and requested that the troupe stop singing, the Riverside Press-Enterprise reported Thursday. Cohen, the 2006 Olympic silver medalist and 2006 U.S. National Champion, had just finished her performance at the rink on the downtown pedestrian mall, and was signing autographs. The employee, special-events worker Michelle Baldwin, could not be reached for comment. City Development Director Belinda J. Graham confirmed the incident. "This request was simply made by a staff member who was attempting to be sensitive to the celebrity guest, without considering the wider implications ... or consulting with her supervisor for guidance," Graham said in an e-mail to the newspaper. Mayor Ron Loveridge, who called the incident "unfortunate," apologized to the choir. "You kind of wish people do a little checking first," he said. Cohen, who is half Christian and "celebrates everything" during the holidays, learned only through news reports that the choir had been cut off on her account, the 22-year-old skater's mother and manager said. "Sasha was stunned. We both thought the voices were just lovely, they were doing such a wonderful job," Galina Cohen said. "Christmas carols are part of celebrating the holiday season." To some, the incident appeared an example of excessive political correctness in the United States over the celebration of Christmas -- which some conservative commentators have characterized as a "war on Christmas." Cohen's mother said the skater had taken part in Christmas tree lighting ceremonies at New York's Rockefeller Center and in California. Hope this plugs in, but the PC thing has gone to far IMHO.\\Edit because I usta know how to type. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by chewy on Dec 15th, 2006, 6:45pm Send her a Christmas gift. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/bgull2/ATT498834.jpg?t=1166226237 |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 15th, 2006, 6:48pm I did a google search for this song that I lost on my last puter crash....google spit out CH.com and my post with the link.....LMMFAO ;;D http://media.putfile.com/John-Valby---Merry-Fucking-Christmas |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 15th, 2006, 6:51pm To some, the incident appeared an example of excessive political correctness in the United States over the celebration of Christmas -- which some conservative commentators have characterized as a "war on Christmas." Is this o.k. with you, Flo? What next? No Christmas trees can be displayed in your window or Christmas lights lighting up your house? I know.....we should have to be tattooed with crosses and given numbers and seek shelter from the PC police by hiding in our attics. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Bob P on Dec 15th, 2006, 6:55pm Quote:
How the heck is anyone half Christian? It's a belief, not a bloodline. You either believe or you don't (in which case you die and spend eternity burning in hell). |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by chewy on Dec 15th, 2006, 7:00pm Thats what I was wondering. Half Christian? Maybe she converts at Christmas time cause she sick and tired of getting a Dradle every year. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Bob P on Dec 15th, 2006, 7:02pm There are half-assed Christians though. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 15th, 2006, 7:12pm http://images.billoreilly.com/images/product/books/culturewarrior_small.jpg LOL.........................;;D |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by chewy on Dec 15th, 2006, 7:14pm Quote:
Not me. I'm a complete ass of a Christian. 8) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 15th, 2006, 7:18pm Send ol' bill a "pithy" email and he'll sign it for you! lol |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Yorky on Dec 15th, 2006, 7:42pm on 12/15/06 at 16:27:10, JeffB wrote:
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 15th, 2006, 7:48pm Where ya been hiding Yorky??? Haven't seen you around, you o.k.? |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Yorky on Dec 15th, 2006, 8:06pm on 12/15/06 at 19:48:01, JeffB wrote:
but sometimes a man, as gotta say what a man thinks HELEN if jasper wants to sing crimbo carols..in Englatere and some yishmack...wants to say no/no then it gets personel. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by BobG on Dec 15th, 2006, 9:59pm on 12/15/06 at 17:46:46, floridian wrote:
Thanks Flo. And Merry Christmas to you. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by FramCire on Dec 16th, 2006, 12:35am This thread has made me sick to my stomach. For those who believe in the Bible read Matthew 5:43-48 Also Matthew 7:3-5 If you don't believe in the Bible, the message is the same but I understand not all people believe in living as the Bible tells you to live. It's Christmas time. Can we stop hating people for a minute and enjoy the season? I know I can enjoy the season without someone wishing me a "Merry Christmas"; "Happy Holidays" is fine with me. I can enjoy the holiday singing to myself just as well as singing in public. If you call yourself a Christian, try to act like one (Christian means Christ-like or in his image). You wont be perfect (neither will I of course) but give it a try. If a person is rude to you, be nice to them. Jesus says to do that. If a person hates you, pray for them and love them. Jesus says to do that too. I'll get off my soapbox. Happy Holidays to all no matter what you celebrate. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Charlie on Dec 16th, 2006, 1:54am Quote:
You don't know the half of it. In my family there were lots of Unitarians. They read ahead in the text to be sure they agree with it before the "sermon." Unitarian churches always have fun congregations too. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by BikerBob on Dec 16th, 2006, 3:11am on 12/15/06 at 18:55:23, Bob P wrote:
When U.S. troops who are jewish get killed in Iraq, do you believe that they spend eternity burning in hell ? BB |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by BarbaraD on Dec 16th, 2006, 4:20am My Mom had a saying, "We're all trying to get to heaven. Some of us are just taking a shorter route." I don't believe ANY religion is wrong, but I also don't believe that we should try to force OUR beliefs on another person. What we believe is up to each of us individually and we have a right to our opinions. Just don't try to force them down someone else's throat. Christmas is something we've been celebrating for centuries (as well as Haunaka -msp). Most of us are NOT going to change our ways so others who don't believe in this holiday or the birth of Christ should just keep their mouths shut and let us get on with our celebrating. Most of us don't know much about the Muslin religion and really don't want to know. I'm sure there's so good in it, but I'm just not interested. Quit trying to convert me. And I'm not going to quit doing what I do in the name of religion to suit your thinking. I'm going to keep on singing Christmas Carols when and where I want to and no one has a "right" to tell me I'm wrong - you or the government. America is a FREE country and I, for one, want to keep it that way. I respect your right to think as a Muslin - but YOU need to learn to respect MY right to think as a Christian (or Jew or atheist or whatever). And a Merry Christmas to everyone Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by E-Double on Dec 16th, 2006, 9:18am on 12/15/06 at 18:55:23, Bob P wrote:
on 12/16/06 at 03:11:17, BikerBob wrote:
I wondered the samething [smiley=huh.gif] on 12/16/06 at 00:35:56, FramCire wrote:
Tolerance from all would make a pleasant place. In the absence of that at least be educated. Then you can comment properly without being blinded by BS. Again this comes from the one who will be burning in hell according to another despite being an individual who would lay it all on the line so he could speak his crap. Happy holiday regardless what you celebrate and what you spew. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by deltadarlin on Dec 16th, 2006, 11:06am Ice water all around for my dear friends in hell! I'm buying! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by PL259 on Dec 16th, 2006, 7:22pm If I am not mistaken this country (U.S.A.) was initially began with the idea of religious freedom for all. (Thats a really general idea). But freedom for all to do as you wish within the laws of the republic was the idea. Tolerance is the word. I really don't care if you remember it or not. It is a free country and each is welcome to his/her ideas. However when it comes to the men and women that gave their life for this country I do not give or back up. To even suggest that they will burn in hell gets me fired up. Want to come down to the red clay hill and tell me that to my face? Just my opinion, but remember opinions are like a$$holes everybody has at least one! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Pinkfloyd on Dec 17th, 2006, 1:38am Door number one; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-DEF0F90c8 Door number two; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKTHvW2JcAA Door number three; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLlwO7178Vs&NR Merry Christmas Everyone Bobw |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by nosnowmen on Dec 17th, 2006, 2:23am No one is BURING in Hell. There is no knowledge, work or understanding is Hell. Look up the english def of hell. It may not be what you think. In Idaho we hell our potatoes. Just my 2:00 am 2 cents. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by ax on Dec 17th, 2006, 3:27am Is there actually a law againt offending someone? Everyone believes something. The fact is that all the crap were hearing/reading about is just reverse phycology. It actually re-enforces peoples faith and traditions. On another note, the real problem is greedy lawyers. I believe in GOD. Even when I don't want to, I can't help it. To me GOD is a fact. I also believe in other things too. If I tell you what they are, I'm afraid I might get sued... NOT What about the pope? Does he offend other religions too? It's all propaganda :-/ |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 17th, 2006, 8:09am on 12/16/06 at 04:20:31, BarbaraD wrote:
I find it amazing that you can talk about respect for other religions a few days after your post on 'dots' which demonstrated zero respect for Hindus. ... general thoughs on other comments There are no laws against offending people, and freedom of speech is great. Except when telemarketers call and call during your dinner hour, and that is made illegal, for good reason. Except when Christian bigots stage grieviously offensive protests at the funerals of fallen soldiers, because they think they have a free-speech right to (and that should be illegal). Except when people shout FIRE in a crowded theater. The idea of free speech as envisioned by the authors of the US Constitution always had limits. It was not intended as a shield or excuse for those who harass others, and only cowards and bullys hide behind it for that reason. Wishing clusters on anyone is the biggest taboo here. But bigotry towards other religions and other nationalities is also common here, and I know for a fact that some sufferers rarely come to this board, or no longer come at all, because of the intolerance and intentional disrespect. You can call me PC or whatever you want. But your actions are worse than wishing clusters on others. Because wishing has no effect unless the world operates on magic. But driving people away has a real effect. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by BarbaraD on Dec 17th, 2006, 9:07am on 12/17/06 at 08:09:44, floridian wrote:
Flo, I tell Jewish jokes to my Jewish Friends (and they save up their Catholic jokes for me.) It's not a sign of disrespect, but just something I thought funny. This is one of the problems with this PC stuff -- we're all so careful not to "offend" that we're missing out on a lot of stuff. At least those who are PC are -- I just don't care about being PC at all. I think we all need to lighten up a little and quit taking everything so damn seriously. Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 17th, 2006, 10:33am on 12/17/06 at 09:07:32, BarbaraD wrote:
Sure, and some of my black friends in high school called me honky-ass and I called them n-i-g-g-e-r-s, just like they called each other. But the software on this board wont even let me type that word. Why? Is it simply a case of 99% black people being politically incorrect and hypersensitive? Or would you say that anyone that understands the black community would use that word very carefully, if at all? Curious if you use that term affectionately for people you don't know, like "excuse me, n-i-g-g-e-r, something just fell out of your pocket"? Maybe you didn't mean your post as active disrepect, but it is hard to see how it comes from respect. - Do you really think that someone with that tradition that comes here looking for cluster headache info will feel at home? Quote:
You got jokes about Christian girls and crucifixes? Never mind, I don't want to hear em. Maybe in some perfect setting, people could come together and ridicule each others traditions and faith and no one would take offense. Imagine all the people, living for ... nevermind, John Lennon was a foolish dreamer. And the bigotry on this board isn't limited to allegedly good nature jokes - there is no shortage of outright contempt for others. JeffB said it clearly - "Who says I have to like anyone, Flo?" which is reflected in comments by several people that non-Christians are inferior and will burn in hell for eternity, or "To the Muslims of the world I just want to wish you "A Very Merry Christmas, Fuckhead. Now go home and kill your family. Please.. " I stand by my position - people are being driven away from pain-reducing information because other people have equated tact and self-restraint with PC. Others who have walked away were knowledgable and would have otherwise made valuable contributions to board. Extreme ideas about free speech and the right to offend trumps the idea that this should be a board where all sufferers are welcome. Those people aren't anti-PC, they are plain rude. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2006, 11:06am on 12/17/06 at 10:33:02, floridian wrote:
Just how is someone driven away from a free public message board? Hell, it aint like you have to log in to read all the boards. Do you really think that someone with CH is not reading this board after finding it, Flo? Maybe its just me and im a fucking moron......aint that what you called me, Flo Now, whats this about being rude? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by brewcrew on Dec 17th, 2006, 11:20am And, according to Flo, I'm not intelligent enough to understand any of this discussion (let alone the scientific method), so I'm just gonna go away. Besides, I have to go out and buy another Magic 8-ball for the office. I dun wore mine out. I need it to make all the important engineering decisions for which I'm responsible. Before I gradjeeated from the Acme skool of Engineering, I couldn't even spel engineer. Now I iz one. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 17th, 2006, 11:24am on 12/17/06 at 11:06:06, Jonny wrote:
Yeah, I know of more than one person that was a regular here that have said they think this place is frequented by a high percent of [censored by this sites software], and they rarely come by to read, no longer bother posting. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2006, 11:26am on 12/17/06 at 11:20:37, brewcrew wrote:
I will save Flo the typing. Your a fucking moron, Bill....LOL ;;D |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by brewcrew on Dec 17th, 2006, 11:31am on 12/17/06 at 11:26:14, Jonny wrote:
Doyyyyy....doy...doy....doyyyyyyyyy!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2006, 11:37am Im sorry, that should have read "-- other drivel deleted --" ::) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 17th, 2006, 11:52am Some people know there is valuable information here. But when a newbie shows up and is told they don't really have cluster headaches, or that they are a fool for breaking the unwritten rule about not uttering the word 'cure', some of them assume that this place is not worth much. Sorry your still having a pity party, BC. I actually liked what you said in the compassion thread about not judging a group by the actions of one or a few members. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2006, 11:58am on 12/17/06 at 11:52:13, floridian wrote:
And lots of folks show up here that dont have CH....right? And who the fuck would say "Cure" on a board like this? Now say your sorry for calling me a fucking moron, you rude cock-sucker....LOL ;;D |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by BarbaraD on Dec 17th, 2006, 12:15pm Ok boys enough already. Since I've been here longer than any of you (Except Bob G) I can safely say, I've seen people come, go, come back, get their feelings hurt over nothing and some make a big to do over nothing. I don't take things personally and neither should anyone else. That's what starts most of the big to do's around here. We've always been able to say what we think and how we think it and that part has never been censored. A lot of people come here (and for the life of me I can't figure it out) to JUST BELONG. Sometimes they contribute and sometimes they're just trolls. No one has ever told me I don't have CH (except maybe Bob P - jokingly and I took it that way). Flo if your sense of right and wrong is so strong, go ahead a vent, but most of us will keep telling our "ethitnic" jokes and laughing at the ones that hit us. We have been since this board was put up. Like I said before -- everyone needs to lighten up Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by DonnaHar on Dec 17th, 2006, 12:31pm The cursing and swearing here are hurting my eyes, ears. nose and throat. It is not religiously correct. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by FramCire on Dec 17th, 2006, 1:21pm 1. Flo- Don't you dare call the idiots who protest the funerals of fallens soldiers Christians. No matter what they call themselves, they are completely anti-Christian in their theology. God is love (see the Bible) and they preach that God hates (and so do they). 2. I am PC and proud of it. I don't expect others to be PC but my feeling is that it isn't any trouble to try and avoid offending other people.. Why shouldn't I give it a try. If Johnny wants to be called a King of the Pricks instaed of King of the Dicks, why not? (I hope you all know Im kidding about calling jonny either of these) 3. To me the person telling the joke defines whether I am offended by it. If a man ina white sheet says he "jewed him down", I am offended. When my wife's grandmother said the same thing, it didn't bother me a bit. Intent is when offends to me, not words. 4. In my mind it would kill people to be more PC but they have every right to be whatever way they wish to be. It also wouldn't hurt people to get a thicker skin and learn to laugh at themselves a little more. 5. Any Christian that says anyone is going to hell is NOT following the Bible. In the Bible it makes it clear that we will be surprised when we get to heaven at who is there. We should be less interested in telling others where they are going and more interested in making sure we are going ourself. We are not to judge but to love. 6. Did I ever tell you the joke about the black man, the mexican, and Muslim? |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2006, 1:40pm on 12/17/06 at 13:21:58, FramCire wrote:
Fixed it for ya....LOL ;;D |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by BarbaraD on Dec 17th, 2006, 1:41pm on 12/17/06 at 12:31:51, DonnaHar wrote:
Damn I'm sorry Donna... you KNOW I wouldn't offend you for the world. Hey, did the Hurricaine blow away my pink thingy?? ;) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by DonnaHar on Dec 17th, 2006, 2:42pm I do know that Barbara. I thought we agreed not to talk about what went on down here....HurriCaine or FastEddie...I don't remember. I'm just anxious for you all to come back. The Tiki Hut is still packing 'em in. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Charlie on Dec 17th, 2006, 4:51pm Actually, in its purist sense, Islam is as tolerant as you can get with its respect for other faiths. It's a basic tenent. Of course nothing is easy and religions are at the mercy of those that say they speak for Gods and prophets. Islam has had more than its share. Christianity:....yikes! Just about all religions derive for a form of the golden rule. You'd never know it from listening to nothing but TV. They have to have groups of people to point to as enemies. Satan is pretty handy as an excuse to keep the faith......on edge...and very politically incorrect. God will get them for that. Western countries, because of geography and economics.... some of them anyway, have allowed a lot of people a little spare time to deal with their faith. That examination isn't always fun or very enlightening. Political correctness just ain't much of problem there. It's a good thing for which to strive so long as we don't flog ourselves when we make small mistakes. A little common sense is good enough for me so long as we have a social conscience as well. Give it shot. God will get us for the big stuff. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by jimmers on Dec 17th, 2006, 5:08pm Maybe I'll start a new Ch website, I'll call it, um, lets see, I think I'll call it ITCH. Intellectuals Targeting Cluster Headaches Probably only have one, maybe two members. ;;D Go scratch, Jimmers |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 17th, 2006, 8:15pm on 12/17/06 at 13:21:58, FramCire wrote:
So, like, we just redefine anyone who says they are Christian but acts bad or disagrees with our theology - now they are non-Christian? Do other religions get to do that - like was the Rabinical student that assassinated an Israeli Prime Minister a Jew, or was the Hindu that assasinated Gandhi really a Hindu? And if millions of Muslims denounce Al Qaeda as un-muslim, does that mean that they are not. I would suggest that there are hateful people in all religions. People in all religions that just don't get it. But if you want to give us the power to define who is really a member of a religion, that is just as well. Seems like people here want to have it both ways - we get to purge the klan and Reverend Phelps and the people that carried out genocide against the American Indian and enslaved Africans in the name of the church. But when 19 killers say that they Islamic and kill Americans, they really are Islamic, and no distinction can be made between those that derrive peace and tolerance from their religion, and those that are out to 'slit our throats.' |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Paul98 on Dec 17th, 2006, 8:58pm Flo- When have you ever seen a hatefull Amsh? Or modern Quaker? Menonite? Budist? -P. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Redd715 on Dec 17th, 2006, 9:05pm on 12/17/06 at 20:58:29, Paul98 wrote:
I have one who comes in and pays buukuu bucks in political endorcement ads for his favorite local candidate, sometimes funding their entire campaigns. Sheriff's race this fall this guy spent over 5 grand for the candidate. Candidate spent zero on his own race. Yes he IS a quaker. Just very politicaly active. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2006, 9:13pm on 12/17/06 at 20:15:45, floridian wrote:
SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHERE THIS IS HAPPNENING......PLEASE!!!!! I FUCKING BEG OF YOU>>>>PLEASE TELL ME!!!! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 17th, 2006, 9:16pm on 12/17/06 at 20:58:29, Paul98 wrote:
Can't say I have, with the exception of Budhism - eg, the military dicatorship of Burma, previoius Budhist kingdoms that have launched wars, tortured, etc. But the three Chrisitan denominations you mentioned were small, self-organizing minorities that never represented the religion as a whole. They started with intentional policies, and people who didn't agree didn't sign on. Oh, wait. Nixon. 'Quaker' sorta, except he never went to Friends Meetings, and he wanted the religion spied on and disrupted because they spoke out against his lies and war. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2006, 9:24pm Where are the Muslims that denounce Al Qaeda, Flo? Dont see none over here.....opps, none here....Hell, Ive never heard of one! FooL! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 17th, 2006, 9:26pm on 12/17/06 at 21:13:24, Jonny wrote:
Here you go, hater ... http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/friedman-wrong-about-muslims-again-and.html# |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2006, 9:29pm Please enlighten me how you came up with "hater", Flo Please!!!! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 17th, 2006, 9:39pm on 12/17/06 at 21:29:09, Jonny wrote:
Because this is not the first time here that you have made this claim, and not the first time that it has shown to be false. Yet you still paint an innacurate picture to tarnish all people in that group. Add to that various deragotory remarks you have made in the past, and it is clear to me that you are bigot. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2006, 9:51pm Ok, are you saying that Im not only a fucking moron......Im a bigot to boot? Now who is rude?......this goes against your earlier post...LOL ;;D |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2006, 9:53pm Somebody please tell Flo to use my PM.....Im done with this ;) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by E-Double on Dec 17th, 2006, 10:00pm I think you are both better than what is being "slung" Tolerance brothers......... The only one I have a beef with albeit a respected member did not reply to my post. PM PM PM. Night |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 17th, 2006, 10:15pm on 12/17/06 at 21:51:05, Jonny wrote:
When you post links to a game about shooting wetbacks, which are portrayed as breeders, drug dealers, and have targets on them, then I will call that dehumanizing and bigoted, even if you say its for good natured fun. Even if you say it was only targeted against illegals. It reveals something about the depth of your character, or lack there of. And when you make deragotory remarks against people that wear turbans and pretend it was only directed against the terrorists, you dont fool anyone. Any reasonable person would see that those remarks were directed at a larger target. Sorry, I don't think labeling bigotry for what it is makes me the prime source of rudeness here. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by KingOfPain on Dec 17th, 2006, 10:31pm on 12/17/06 at 08:09:44, floridian wrote:
on 12/17/06 at 10:33:02, floridian wrote:
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Lizzie2 on Dec 17th, 2006, 10:52pm First, STOP FIGHTING...PLEASE. Or take it to PMs if you must continue. Around Thanksgiving, I was at a physical therapy appointment, and I have gotten to know one of the PT aides pretty well. I wouldn't call him a friend of mine or anything, but I end up seeing him a lot since I've been going to physical therapy for the better part of this entire year, plus or minus a few months. So at that appt a few days before Thanksgiving, I asked him if he celebrates Thanksgiving in his family. He said he doesn't - He is a Jehovah's Witness. Then he went on to say something about how he doesn't tell many people that (when I said I never knew that he was...) because of how people will then say a bunch of derogatory things to him, including yelling at him for Jehovah's Witness's going door to door (which he does not). I said, "I'm not that person..." (And told him he should know that about me by now!) I then asked him why it is that Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in celebrating holidays at all - I truly was curious. He explained his reasoning behind it. I did not agree with it, but I didn't say anything rude, derogatory, or mean to him. I simply said, "Oh okay - thanks for sharing that with me. I am truly interested in knowing how other cultures/religions/etc view different things. I don't have to agree with it, but I am tolerant and interested in learning about it." I think he was rather surprised by that..... Even if he had personally condemned me for worshipping false idols because I celebrate Thanksgiving, I wouldn't have come back at him with some rude remark...because it's just not my way. Why respond to hate with more hate? (Oh and I want to make it very clear that I am not saying that Helen should not have defended Jasper from that woman - I'm talking about the random time when two adults get into a pissing match about beliefs and so on). My next door neighbors are muslim (from India), and they're quite lovely people. I respect their traditions when I visit - and they respect ours when they come to our house. My parents were invited to their oldest daughter's wedding. Just because they are Muslim does not make them evil people. I agree with so much of what Framcire has said in this thread - THANK YOU! I'm a Christian, and I do not believe in condemning people to hell. Only God can decide that - not man. God is the only one who can judge another person.....and I really don't think we can just read the Bible and "KNOW" what God is going to decide about another human being. I do believe the Bible is the Word of God (although my upbringing probably has my beliefs not quite the same as the next), but I don't think that gives me the authority to tell another person that they are going to hell. I try to live my life with tolerance and love for others as best I can. I know I fail miserably at it sometimes, but I'm only human.... In this holiday season, can't we all just try to be a little more tolerant, a little more loving? What good does it do to breed hatred? Then we're just as bad as the terrorists and other fundamentalists who hate us so much.... My .02. I don't think I'm better than anybody else here - just a person trying to get by. I just personally believe in striving for kindness always.... PF Wishes, Carrie :) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by FramCire on Dec 17th, 2006, 11:28pm Flo - Jesus Christ ate and hung out with sinners and preached loving your enemies. If someone steals from you, he said give him more. If someone strikes you, he said turn the other cheek. While all christians have their sins and flaws, those who preach that God hates anyone is not teaching CHRISTIAN theology, PERIOD. Read the Bible and tell me where it tells you to hate anyone (including your enemy - which I posted the link to where ti says to love them). To me being a Christian lies in believing in Christ's teachings (See Websters 1a definition of Christian). Those who hate others and preach that God hates ANY PERSON are COMPLETELY contrary to what Jesus taught. So no, I am not asking you to redefine anything, I am asking you to use the exsisting definition. Jonny- There are plenty (most liekly a vast majority of muslims) of Muslims who denounce Al queda but they also are not that vocal. Also, the media wont get nearly the ratings if they put them on TV as they will by putting radicals on. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by FramCire on Dec 17th, 2006, 11:37pm on 12/17/06 at 22:52:04, Lizzie2 wrote:
Carrie. I feel this way as well. I loved your post. It reminded me of a coversation I had witha Jehovah's witness on a plane ride once. She was reading her Bible and I commented about it and we got to talking. She was a lovely woman who also had some interesting things to say (at least 1 thing she said has stuck with me to this day). Anyway, it is a season that means a lot to me and the main focus (outside of the religious aspect) for me is my family. You all are family to me and I am glad to you guys my brothers and sisters. Have a great Holiday season. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Kirk on Dec 18th, 2006, 7:03am I must be a bigot. I have little use for those people, or their apologists. Which makes me as much a xenophobe as they. So be it. They have earned it. Many times over. The sooner we finish draining their natural resources. And no longer have an economic interest in them. The better. Jonny: As for waiting to hear from the moderates in that society. Remember that when you are dealing with a death culture. The suicide bombers ARE the moderates. The rest of them want to kill all of us. They have stated that many times, over the generations. As personal, religious and state policy. Love and forgive them all you wish. They want you dead. [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Kevin_M on Dec 18th, 2006, 8:12am Quote:
Just about in my backyard we have a sort of small province of Arab-Americans living in the Detroit area, the largest in the U.S. and about 350,000. The cross section of religious mix shows Muslim faction with Muslim faction and Muslim with Christians all living together peacefully and without noticable controversy http://www.umich.edu/news/Releases/2004/Jul04/img/religion.jpg |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Maffumatt on Dec 18th, 2006, 10:36am Have you bought your rug yet? Nekid twister with baby oil still sounds like fun............. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 18th, 2006, 11:35am on 12/18/06 at 10:36:31, Maffumatt wrote:
Too much stuff going on with Christmas - rug shopping in the New Year! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Maffumatt on Dec 18th, 2006, 5:06pm on 12/18/06 at 11:35:47, floridian wrote:
Don't forget to buy the baby oil............and to invite Jonny and Chewy over for an evening of slippery fun. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Mrs Deej on Dec 18th, 2006, 10:45pm on 12/17/06 at 10:33:02, floridian wrote:
So what the hell do you suggest we do...you want free speech on a free public forum or do you want a website to censor EVERYTHING you have to say. Flo, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think you have a problem exercising your first admendment right everytime you get on here and post. HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!! We are now on page 4 and have gotten NO WHERE!!!! Who gives a shit if you hang from the chandeliers naked chanting or dance around a campfire wearing undies on your head. Who cares!! As long as you don't kill something or someone...you're good. Now, I do have to say that it was rather rude of the individual to say something about an innocent child singing something that she believes in...I would have kicked some ass...you don't fuck with someone's kid!! Why did everyone flee to the US way back when...religious oppression...how many years ago was that? ....we have accomplished nothing... :-/ ...exhausted... 8) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by pattik on Dec 18th, 2006, 11:25pm on 12/18/06 at 22:45:31, Mrs Deej wrote:
Steph, why should it be all or nothing? I know this is a general board on a medical site. But don't kid yourself into thinking that newbies looking for pain relief read only the med boards. And if threads like this one and countless similar threads in the archives turn not only the newbies away in disgust, but also seasoned veterans who can give good advice, this once admirable site will quickly slip into mediocrity. Then nobody wins. patk |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Kirk on Dec 19th, 2006, 12:24am Pattik: As long as this site has all its free flow of rants, raves, ideas, help, discussion and what not. It will not slip into mediocrity. No matter how hard you try. [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by georgej on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:44am on 12/18/06 at 23:25:03, pattik wrote:
I dunno, Patti. Clusterheads are pretty tough--newbies, veterans, whomever. I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but I don't think I'd leave because there are a few squabbles about politics, religion, who goes to which potty, whether perfume is PC, or other vitally important issues. Actually, compared to a lot of places, I think ch.com is remarkably civil. It always puzzles me when people assert that there's an inordinate amount of strife here. People are people, after all, and whenever there's more than one, particularly if the mix is full of strong-minded people, there's going to be a fight eventually. No big deal. I don't get involved in the political/religious kerfluffles here as a general rule. It's not because I don't have opinions--I certainly do--and they'd probably be thoroughly offensive to some (I would hope so), but it's not what I'm here for. I can argue about politics in plenty of other places. Persuasion is always more interesting than assertions, finger-pointing, and who called who a bad name, anyway. Besides--I think it's valuable to know who's an anarchist, a liberal, a republican, a madman, or a neanderthal. That way you know just where to stick the knife in if the necessity or the opportunity ever arises. ;) Best wishes, George |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Yorky on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:03am on 12/18/06 at 10:36:31, Maffumatt wrote:
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Kevin_M on Dec 19th, 2006, 8:25am on 12/18/06 at 23:25:03, pattik wrote:
in contrast, borrowing from jon019's thread on 12/18/06 at 23:58:25, jon019 wrote:
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by karma on Dec 19th, 2006, 8:53am Message boards and Internet converstaions give people the feeling thet they can say things that they would never say in public or face to face with anyone. It should be called the drunken Gibson syndrome since only alchohol has the same affect. I stopped getting involved in debates because they inevitably degrade into name calling and personal attacks because people feel they have the freedom to get personal. Its easy, just type, press send and its out there for the world to see without any consequences. Whats more interesting is that the same debates play out over and over again. Just change the names and the time and they are carbon copies. It gets old This whole religion vs. religion and PC crap has got to be the stupidest debate yet. Everyone is arguing about the righteousness of their way when their way is nothing more than cults based on words written by men, not gods but men. If religion helps you to get through your life good for you. Most people need some help. If I need a crutch I'll go to the pharmacy and buy one but don'ty crticize me if you don't like the color or shape of it. You shouldn't even be aware of it unless I stick it out to trip you. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by deltadarlin on Dec 19th, 2006, 9:24am on 12/18/06 at 23:25:03, pattik wrote:
I have to agree with patk here. For *me*, the debates/discussions/arguments, themselves, don't bother me. It's the vituperative comments that they tend to engender. I love a good debate, as long as it doesn't deteriorate into name calling or *you're a ___________ because you believe _____________." Last time I looked, bashing someone over the head with your ideas/beliefs DOES NOT make them any more likely to believe the way you want them to believe, it just sours them on the whole discussion. Look at the cluster headache support sections where there is a bit of traffic. How many *newbies* are coming to the main board? I was an administrator on a board for 6 years (over 5,000 members) and I'm currently an admin on another board and neither of them allow any type of personal attack for any reason. 'darlin |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 11:16am If you don't like whats written then don't read. I thought this was a great topic and even though it got a bit heated I still respect the opinion of everyone here, including Flo. This board is full of people from all kinds of backgrounds with different views and it would be a disgrace to not let people express themselves in a place like this. To all those who feel hurt....get over it! just my 2 pennies. ::) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by davyp on Dec 19th, 2006, 11:27am on 12/18/06 at 22:45:31, Mrs Deej wrote:
Have you been talking to Helen about me again ;;D Dape ;;D |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 11:31am on 12/19/06 at 11:27:51, davyp wrote:
You cheeky monkey! ;;D |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Kevin_M on Dec 19th, 2006, 11:53am An issue like global warming, new theories, and other topics have books written and conferences on highly professional levels that wind into surprising turmoil also. Discussing any such issue will have polarity, anywhere. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by nosnowmen on Dec 19th, 2006, 11:56am Variety is the spice of life. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:08pm on 12/18/06 at 22:45:31, Mrs Deej wrote:
What do I suggest? As I have said previously, I think it would be nice if there were some policy that said something along the lines of 'racism and religious bigotry is not welcome' Its a false dilemma to assume that Either there are no rules, Or Else there is no freedom. Most patient forums, medical BBS and what-not have some policy or rule to this effect. For example, something on one board states: "When using this site, please do not post material that: · contains hateful language, epithets or slurs, text or illustrations in poor taste, or expressions of bigotry, racism, discrimination or hate. Are you saying that anything goes here? That people can post vicioius anti-Jewish tripe and advertise for the KKK? That obscene anti-Christian 'art' would not be removed? I don't think so - that crap obviously has no place here. But when a regular posts something racist that defames Mexicans, Hindus, Muslims, or other groups, that is defended as just 'free speech.' Quote:
One argument against any rules, and standard response here, is that 'good speech drives out bad.' Not sure that is correct as bad speech can also drive away good people, but speech is the only recourse here. So rather than remain silent or ignore some things, I will object to them. Quote:
You would kick someone's ass because they Not sure about your statement that everyone fled to the US for religious freedom, only to accomplish nothing. For one thing, LeLimey missed the boat. ;) - the story took place in England, me thinks. And I'm pretty sure that people ARE able to worship as they please in the US - no evidence that churches and synagogues are being closed by an oppressive government. Some people are upset because they can't take over government buildings and use that to promote their particular brand of religion, or because other religions want to put up Menorahs or other non-Christian symbols, and they think that would make their symbols less special. But real freedom of religion isn't under threat. I also find it kinda puzzling that you create a thread called 'got compassion?' and pin it to the top, yet outside of that abstract space, you seem to be defending the right to engage in incompassionate behavior. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Pinkfloyd on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:13pm on 12/19/06 at 11:16:41, JeffB wrote:
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:19pm Whatever dude! Go take your shrooms and stare at a wall. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by LeLimey on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:26pm Flo it didn't happen on a train, it happend on a very empty concourse at 2:30pm in the afternoon while waiting to see what platform my train would come in on. Jasper wasn't being noisy, he isn't a flamboyant kid at all, he was just singing very quietly and she could have just as easily moved away. There were only about 30 people on the whole damn concourse. If she had been praying I would have made sure to stand well away with Jasper so as not to disturb her so why are double standards allowed from her? She set out to cause an incident. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by karma on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:29pm Hey JeffB, With all due respect, after you have spent years helping countless thousands of people to deal with a life changing malady, with no expectations of gaining anything for it and after you have personally advised many more thousnads on the best way to alleviate pain and suffering from this malady will you have the right to degrade a man whom many consider an exceptional humane being. But then again if you had 1/10 of the compassion that Bob W has you would never have made a statment like that. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:43pm Ok, so from the perspective of a single standard based on free speech, your son has the right to sing, and anyone has the right to ask you have him stop for any reason. If there is a disagreement, call in the conductor or a bobby. ?? |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:43pm Thanks for your opinion, Karma. I know what Bob has done here and I respect him for that. Unfortunatley he has also ripped apart a young lady who was trying to do the same. When he questioned someone and then thought it right to have that person prove herself and her credentials I had an issue. Guess I still do. Kisses and hugs, dear! :-* |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:45pm Or tell the woman to shut the hell up and mind her own business. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by brewcrew on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:48pm And the pot continues to be stirred. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by karma on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:50pm Thats a pretty sad excuse for making such a juvenile comment but it is what it is. If I remember correctly he admitted his mistake and apologized. Can You? |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:53pm I wonder what would happen to a person if they walked downtown Cairo or Tehran singing Christmas songs. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 1:55pm It is what it is. If I felt the need to do such a thing I surely would. Again, thank you for insult and opinion. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by FramCire on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:19pm OK folks. I want to thank you for my Christmas message. Reading this thread I learned a lot about the true meaning of Christmas. It is about a parents love for a child wanting to defend his/her when a stranger rudely encounters them. It is about loving even that person despite the fact that her actions were ugly. It is about friends being able to have differences yet still love and respect one another even when words get harsh and beliefs are insulted. It is about the fact that we are all fallible and yet still God loved and still loves us every day. It is about being thankful for the people in your life and what they do for you: To DJ and Steph who created and run this site. I am thankful they care enough to make this site the best they can despite all sorts of problems, bickering, and annoyences. To Jonny and chewy who I got the pleasure of meeting in person and treated me like a brother right away. They still do even though we live 1000 miles apart and are very different people. They make me laugh and have shown me that they are there for me if I need them. To the many people who have sent me a PM over the last year or so. Almost all of them were awesome. They were loving and thoughtful. I have been through a very tough time personally and yet this place helps me come back to earth and be happy. Even a few which were appologies for things said ont his board were amazing. When a person cares enough to say they are sorry when they don't have to, it means a lot. To the people who have sent me Christmas cards this season. I am trying to send out cards for the first time in my life and I am way behind. You have no idea how awesome it is to get cards from all of the place from someone who cares enough to take the time to do it. To the people here who have helped me in so many ways fight the beast. To the others I have met in person. Bethany, Sean, Bill, and the current absent Missouri duo. You guys rock. Almost all of you fit into at least 1 category above. To the supporters out there. Thank you. That includes people like Jean and Eric and MANY MANY others who are supporters here as well as sufferers. To those still reading this post. It is long, for which I am sorry but I have a lot to say. Anyway for me the real meaning of Christmas is love. Not just love of family members, love of a spouce, love of God or God's love or even the strange man love between Don and Jonny but the kind of love that allows people to come here and try to help one another through advise, humor, support, or sharing of oneself. Folks, enjoy your debates and discussions but just remember there is no reason for hatred or ugliness. No matter what religion you are (if any at all), this holiday season should be about what really matters. OK.... I'm done until 1:30pm. So flame away. Just be aware I wont be flaming back. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by pattik on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:24pm on 12/19/06 at 13:43:38, JeffB wrote:
A perfect troll response. It just goes to show that even trolls might get CH. If it talks like a troll, acts like a troll and smells like a troll, it probably is a troll. Gee, Jeff, I feel left out. I had just as much to do with the "young lady"[smiley=huh.gif] incident, so come after me too. You're probably incapable of it, but maybe you should try to turn all that keen observation inward. I wouldn't continue to use the "respect" word if I were you. You're just making a fool out of yourself, since you haven't gotten that dictionary yet. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Jimi on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:27pm Flo, you would argue with a bedpost. I believe that no matter what ones opinion is, you would take the opposite just for kicks. You appears to me that you like to play devil's advocate on most anything. I have a brother-in-law like that. No matter what one says, he responds with, Well let me ask you this and then argues with whatever your response was. He enjoys it. It shows off his intelligence. Unfortunately for him, no one wants to be around him. Including myself. I see these types of peeps on other boards. I call them flamers. Always wanting to stir up some shit. We have clusterheadaches in common. Other than that, I cannot see that you and I have much other. If I am wrong, maybe we can meet at the convention and face to face I might like you. Plus, it would give me a chance to try to figure out why you are the way you are. Merry Christmas Flo. :) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by jimmers on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:34pm Hey everyone, there has been one BIG assumption in this thread. It is assumed that the Christmas Carol ("Umm excuse me, holiday song") that was being sung by the child had religious lyrics. Maybe the kid was singing Frosty the Snowman or some other non religion specific Holiday song. jimmers |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:36pm on 12/19/06 at 13:53:17, JeffB wrote:
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You can also buy alcohol in Cairo. Because the people of Egypt believe that religious prohibitions against alcohol are for religious people who believe in that, not for the government to enforce. Egypt has been fighting against fundamentalists and extremists for decades. They haven't entirely eliminated such nonsensical thinking, but they are an ally of anyone that opposes Al Qaeda. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:42pm on 12/19/06 at 14:24:58, pattik wrote:
Well thank you very much, dear. Your approval is what I've been living for. ;) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:43pm on 12/19/06 at 14:36:56, floridian wrote:
I wonder if Mr. Steve is still teaching there. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:48pm on 12/19/06 at 14:43:30, JeffB wrote:
Who knows? From 2003: Quote:
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by BB on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:57pm on 12/19/06 at 14:24:58, pattik wrote:
I am not throwing more logs into the fire but I dont know why you referred to me as a young lady but in brackets, then added the question mark smilie next to it ? I just want to clarify that compared to most of the regular posters here, I am young and I believe that I have always behaved like a lady. Thank you Merry Christmas to everyone. Annette |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:58pm Well thats nice. How about Tehran? Did we also attend school there? How about Pakistan? |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:04pm on 12/19/06 at 14:57:29, BB wrote:
She's just mad because of what I said to Bob. I gotta hand it to her, after 2 1/2 years on the board she finally found out I was a troll. Talk about Nancy Drew instincts! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by floridian on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:05pm Tehran - not as nice. Fundamentalist government, the leaders all have sticks up their butt. They are hate-filled and have a cartoon view of what Chrisitanity is, just like some on the flip side. I guess I'm saying that tolerance varies within all religions and countries. Some people get bit by a dog and end up fearing/hating all dogs. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by brewcrew on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:07pm on 12/19/06 at 14:57:29, BB wrote:
I can vouch for her. She is young, and she is a lady. And she is wishing you a Merry Christmas. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JJA on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:11pm on 12/19/06 at 14:27:26, Jimi wrote:
floridian may like to argue, but he is consistent with his position. He doesn't just jump on the other side of an issue for the sake of arguing. I think that is abundantly clear. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:11pm They do have some very hot women over there. But sad to say the closest I've been to Iran and their hot women was somewhere in the Straits of Hormuz. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by brewcrew on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:15pm on 12/19/06 at 15:11:26, JJA wrote:
He may be consistent, but he chooses to argue with people of opposing view as his only form of engagement. It's like vitamins to him. And Jimi's point remains intact - nobody likes to be around it. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by BB on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:25pm on 12/19/06 at 15:04:41, JeffB wrote:
I am sorry Jeff that you got called a troll and a fool unfairly because you spoke up for me. Thank you to you too Brewcrew :) She "had as much to do with the ... incident" because she appeared to agree with whatever BobW said, even when he was way out of line. If he ripped into someone she would do the same, when he apologised so would she. Yet she would get upset when other people spoke up for their friends? I find that difficult to understand. Painfree wishes to all. Annette |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:31pm Jeff I am sorry you got called names too, but only because you are NOT a troll. The personal name-calling around here is totally unacceptable to me. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Donna_D. on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:41pm Linda, Can we make them sit in a corner for a time out? It's what we do with our kids when they start name calling. :) DD |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:45pm hmmm. I have 5 rooms at 4 walls each that's 20 corners. Lets say you have the same amount DD. Nope........not enough corners, we may have to out-source some from the UK ;) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Donna_D. on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:51pm on 12/19/06 at 15:45:37, Linda_Howell wrote:
I can check with Helen...she says she is always up for visitors. :) DD |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:54pm Now I know your plan, you're gonna put me in a round room and then tell me to sit in a corner. Diabolical!!!! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Donna_D. on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:56pm on 12/19/06 at 15:54:31, JeffB wrote:
You were right, Linda!! He catches on REALLY fast!! ...prepare to execute "Plan B" ;) DD |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Maffumatt on Dec 19th, 2006, 5:13pm on 12/19/06 at 15:15:17, brewcrew wrote:
Flo contributes alot to this site and he has my respect. I enjoy our verbal bouts, it feeds the brain. I have changed a view or two because of his arguments. As far as chemistry and medicinal knowledge, there are few if any here that comes close to Flo's knowledge. His presence and contributions are welcome if not needed as far as I am concerned. Then again I am as thick as a bedpost sometimes........ |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by LeLimey on Dec 19th, 2006, 5:21pm on 12/19/06 at 15:51:00, Donna_D. wrote:
My naughty corner is the garden. You need to chill here you bloody well DO! Five to ten minutes at just below zero has a way of subduing alot of hotheaded kids I'm telling you! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Maffumatt on Dec 19th, 2006, 5:24pm she's not kidding............ |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by LeLimey on Dec 19th, 2006, 5:24pm on 12/19/06 at 14:34:30, jimmers wrote:
He was singing two.. the snowman ("We're walking in the air") and one that goes "Come and join the celebrations Its a very special day Come and join the jubilation There's a new king born today" which is lovely and catchy and he loves but he only remembers those 4 lines! LOL |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by brewcrew on Dec 19th, 2006, 5:32pm on 12/19/06 at 17:13:50, Maffumatt wrote:
Have it your way, Matt. To each his own. I have chosen not to engage him. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Maffumatt on Dec 19th, 2006, 5:54pm Do you guys know how sickerly sweet this place would be if everyone got along all the time and agreed on everything? It takes all types to keep it interesting. I'll be quiet now and crawl off into my little hole. Be well. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by LeLimey on Dec 19th, 2006, 5:58pm Get back here for me to kick your bony arse Matt - and then you can spend ten minutes in the garden thinking about where you went wrong! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Maffumatt on Dec 19th, 2006, 6:02pm feeling frisky are we? Good, because you'd have to catch me first. ;) |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by LeLimey on Dec 19th, 2006, 6:03pm Catching you is easy.. I'll just put some parsnips on the table :P or mushy peas! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Maffumatt on Dec 19th, 2006, 6:09pm You're so damn sneaky, thats just not playing fair. Been looking for parsnips since I got back, none of the stores here carry them...........bastards. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by LeLimey on Dec 19th, 2006, 6:11pm Matt - how long have you known me and when have I ever played fair?! Christmas dinner will be piled with them, all sticky with maple syrup and parmesan.. just how you liked 'em! :P |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Maffumatt on Dec 19th, 2006, 6:12pm Oh you're evil all the way down to the bone. Must be why I love ya........... ;;D |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by jimmers on Dec 19th, 2006, 9:20pm I knew it Helen, I knew it! Merry Christmas to everyone, and to all a good night. (If you don't like what I just said, don't read it!) Love ya all, and lighten up a little would ya? Jimmers |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Paul98 on Dec 19th, 2006, 9:46pm on 12/19/06 at 17:54:17, Maffumatt wrote:
Yea, it would be sickeningly sweet. If anybody suggest a group hug I swear I'll [smiley=hurl.gif] I'm amazed how folks can get their panties in a bunch before they even get a leg into them. How folks can take a question and massage it into emotion is beyond me. It was a QUESTION! Sheesh! -P. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by FramCire on Dec 19th, 2006, 10:03pm Did somebody say group hug??? How bout it guys!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by BlueMeanie on Dec 19th, 2006, 10:07pm No hugging smiley so a smooch will have to do. :-* Peace. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by Maffumatt on Dec 19th, 2006, 10:08pm ok.............but if anyone breaks out the baby oil I'm going home. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by georgej on Dec 20th, 2006, 1:50am on 12/19/06 at 22:03:59, FramCire wrote:
No. Some people grope. You know who you are. I've heard stories. |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by LeLimey on Dec 20th, 2006, 2:00am Chuck is the only groper and since he is the OFFICIAL groper you sort of learn to get used to it PDQ! I love Clusterville hugs, nothing beat's em EXCEPT.. one of Linda's shoulder rubs! I'd sell my soul for one of those! |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by davyp on Dec 20th, 2006, 6:15am Just for Matt http://re3.mm-a7.yimg.com/image/3845614440 ;;D Dape ;;D |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by jimmers on Dec 20th, 2006, 8:47am Now where did I put that twister mat? ;;D Jimmers |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by imnotbub on Dec 20th, 2006, 10:25am on 12/19/06 at 18:11:01, LeLimey wrote:
[smiley=hurl.gif] Do you serve this with Haggis? Steve |
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Title: Re: Muslum / Christian head butting Post by LeLimey on Dec 20th, 2006, 12:02pm Steve - Haggis gets served with tatties and neeps, potatoes and swede (which I think you call rutabaga?) I like the tatties and neeps but I have to admit - haggis isn't a thing I like! I've tried it once and once only (and that was before I knew what it was too!) |
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