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« Reply #25 on: Dec 30th, 2006, 4:59pm » |
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Live by death, die by death. He was several notches down from Hitler, Po Pot, Stalin, Mow, and the rest, but he and his ilk got what was due. I guess I have a problem with hanging, electrocution, etc. Just give him a needle or pure nitrogen gas.
There are many ways to "offically" kill people. Sad. The only way I see to do it is oxygen starvation without the buildup of Co2 or massive sedative.
May the soules of 1/2 a million people that Sadam toutered/exicuted rest in peace....................
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« Reply #26 on: Dec 30th, 2006, 6:07pm » |
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on Dec 30th, 2006, 1:34pm, chewy wrote:Amazing.
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If you were going to the movies, would you want to see Snow white or Scarface?
And please dont tell me that you dont look for dead or bloody bodies as you pass by a car wreck.
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« Reply #27 on: Dec 30th, 2006, 7:26pm » |
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« Reply #28 on: Dec 30th, 2006, 7:45pm » |
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OK I am strange I want to see Snow White 
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« Reply #29 on: Dec 30th, 2006, 7:58pm » |
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Not to stir the paranoia factor (although that's something I like to do as a favored indoor sport ) , but was the "Saddam" left holding the bag the real thing, or one of his well-documented twenty or so doubles? He used them all the time for state appearances and to confuse his enemies.
Do we know for sure? If so, how? Inquiring minds, etc.
I never saw anything from the time he was captured to the time he was executed that indicated how this was established. Perhaps I simply missed it.
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« Reply #30 on: Dec 30th, 2006, 8:02pm » |
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« Reply #31 on: Dec 30th, 2006, 8:10pm » |
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A lot paid some very good respect for Pres. Ford but which passed on page 2 now. I know here in MI, Ford got a ton more press for days now, as well as a most excellent PBS special I watched. The evil can get duly despised in comparison, happening so close. I only care that his death got done, the cost in lives to do it was a tragedy.
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« Reply #32 on: Dec 30th, 2006, 8:12pm » |
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LOL.
I suppose this is going to be part of the MSNBC cable lineup now.......along with John Edward, UFOs and the like. Yikes.
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« Reply #33 on: Dec 30th, 2006, 9:30pm » |
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on Dec 30th, 2006, 6:07pm, Jonny wrote:
If you were going to the movies, would you want to see Snow white or Scarface?
And please dont tell me that you dont look for dead or bloody bodies as you pass by a car wreck.
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Scarface or Snow White? Neither.
Don't watch the Jerry Springer show, either. 
Presuming they did the DNA thing on Saddam - they had specimens from his sons, that would be enough to know. Also, his body doubles never spoke in public, they just waved because Saddam's voice was known.
Course, if the governments involved only wanted to make it look like he was dead, they might execute a body double. Saddams could be in the Caymans right now with Ken Lay, sipping a boat drink.
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« Reply #34 on: Dec 30th, 2006, 11:11pm » |
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See the butcher hang through a camera phone...no shit!
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« Reply #35 on: Dec 31st, 2006, 9:48am » |
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Jonny's prediction was spot on - internet video is taking over the media process!
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« Reply #36 on: Dec 31st, 2006, 9:56am » |
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Just wondering if ALLAH was a cowboy since he took Saddam home with a "lasso"
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« Reply #37 on: Dec 31st, 2006, 2:54pm » |
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moral to this story is.......don't ya just hope 'for a second' that Saddam felt suma the fear the people he killed felt before dieing ?? Big kill little death Pam
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« Reply #38 on: Dec 31st, 2006, 5:00pm » |
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No thanks. Not my idea of fun but I understand its appeal.
I only wish it wasn't while we are still there. Not good.
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« Reply #39 on: Dec 31st, 2006, 6:45pm » |
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Clearly Saddam was a madman and received exactly what he deserved. But, don't overlook how he rose to power and began his regime of torture/killing.
The relationship between the CIA and Saddam Hussein is a long one. In 1963, Saddam Hussein worked with the CIA to coordinate the coup by the Baath party, which eventually brought him to power in Iraq.
No matter how it is spelled, Qasim, Qassim or Kassem took power in Iraq in a popular 1958 coup. In 1959, Saddam Hussein fled to Egypt after a failed assassination attempt on Qasim. In the 1963 CIA-organized coup Qasim was assassinated and Saddam returned from exile to head Iraq's secret service.
Saddam was soon involved in killing Iraqi’s using CIA death lists compiled with help of Iraqi exiles, including Saddam. Suspected communists, leftists, activists and organizers, thousands of supporters of Qasim and his policies were soon dead in a rampage of mass murder that virtually decimated Iraq’s professional class. No one was spared. Even pregnant women and elderly men were killed. Some were tortured in front of their children.
It should not come as a surprise that the CIA was so eager to overthrow Qasim. Qasim had after all helped found the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) in an attempt to curtail Western control of Arab oil. He had been planning to nationalize the Iraq Petroleum Company in which the USA had an interest. He also disapproved of Kuwait being granted independence by the UK with a pro-west emir (king) and oil concessions to Western companies.
Declassified British government papers indicate that the coup was backed by the USA and UK with the new government promising not to nationalize oil interests and renouncing claim to Kuwait. The truth hurts but U.S. foreign policy is responsible for a lot of blood spilled by "The Butcher" in Iraq.
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« Reply #40 on: Dec 31st, 2006, 7:28pm » |
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on Dec 31st, 2006, 6:45pm, burnt-toast wrote:Saddam was soon involved in killing Iraqi’s using CIA death lists compiled with help of Iraqi exiles, including Saddam.
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Prove it!
LMAO....you probably cant....cause those aint your words
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« Reply #41 on: Dec 31st, 2006, 10:57pm » |
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I'm not one to ever get into political conversations for that purpose alone, usually coming upon some writing through other interests and I would not have normally come across this on my own, but a wordy little history by a well respected U of MI professor in the Boston Review seems to site U.S. involvement at the time was due to anti-Communist concerns, our most serious Cold War enemy and strong motivation interest in the context of the time.
http://bostonreview.net/BR28.5/cole.html
While the United States was consolidating an alliance with Saudi Arabia, policy toward Iraq fluctuated wildly -- though here, too, anti-Communism was always the fundamental principle operating in the background. In the mid-1950s the United States and the British pushed the Baghdad Pact (signed in 1955), which grouped Iraq, Turkey, Iran, and Pakistan in an anti-Soviet alliance. This strategy collapsed in 1958 when Colonel Abdel Karim Qasim staged a bloody coup in Iraq against the government of Nurias-Said. Washington saw Qasim, who had Communist allies, as a dangerous radical. It has been alleged that the United States supported the 1963 failed coup attempt by the Arab nationalist Baath Party against the officers, receiving guarantees in return that the Iraqi Communist Party would be disbanded.
At the same time - and in significant part as a result of U.S. support for Muslim fundamentalism as an anti-Communist bulwark -- Sunni radicalism had emerged as a much more powerful threat than either East Asian Communism or Baathism and Khomeinism. Mujahidin who had trained in Afghanistan fanned back out to their home countries in 1989, victorious, and determined to establish Islamic states in places like Algeria and Yemen. Sunni radicals fought a virtual civil war in Algeria with the secular military government in the 1990s, waged a less bloody but still highly disruptive campaign against the Mubarak government in Egypt, and pioneered new militant political movements such as the Taliban in Afghanistan and the neo-Deobandis in Pakistan. Once the Soviets had fallen the Sunni radicals abandoned their alliance of convenience with Washington and turned against the United States, which they now saw as a bulwark of the secular governments that they were trying to overthrow, in addition to resenting its role in supporting Israeli expansionism. The more radical of these groups coalesced into al Qaeda and decided to hit the "far" enemy rather than only the "near" one.
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« Reply #42 on: Jan 2nd, 2007, 1:16pm » |
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on Dec 30th, 2006, 11:11pm, Jonny wrote:
They dropped him faster than a bad habbit.
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« Reply #43 on: Jan 2nd, 2007, 1:41pm » |
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The death penalty is pathetic.I for one am not in favor of killing killers.I say hire Jonny to weld their cell door shut and give em life.If ya get sick it's sorry bout yer luck.If yer in agony from pain it's sorry bout yer luck.If ya got cluster headsaches we raise the temp to a hundred in yer cell and then say sorry bout yer luck
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Thats just wrong.
Every sufferer should have equal access to medical help. If your on death row then a qualified, highly circumsized Doc should be made available to you.
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« Reply #45 on: Jan 2nd, 2007, 5:36pm » |
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ROTFLMMFAO
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