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(Message started by: cynjeep89 on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:05pm)
Title: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by cynjeep89 on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:05pm
I have been listening to various news reports regarding the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.

Now, from all that we have heard of previous failed assassinations, suicide bombers, her family's run of "bad luck" and thru interviews with Bhutto, I think she knew that her days were numbered.

I continue to hear the reporters on these news reports asking, "What went wrong?".  "How could this have happened?".

If you knew people wanted to kill you, would you pop your head thru the sun roof of a car with hundreds of people standing near your car?  Sheesh.............. [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by DennisM1045 on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:09pm
I have a feeling she knowingly martred herself to assure elections would be held and to improve the odds of the opposition party.  As crazy as that sounds its the only explanation I can think of that makes sense.  

-Dennis-
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Sean_C on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:17pm

on 12/27/07 at 20:09:18, DennisM1045 wrote:
I have a feeling she knowingly martred herself to assure elections would be held and to improve the odds of the opposition party.  As crazy as that sounds its the only explanation I can think of that makes sense.  

-Dennis-


Wow, never thought of that, but does make some sense I guess.  :o

I can't wait till some liberal cock-sucker opens the gates at Guantomino Bay.

I think the schools in the U.S. will be the first hit, that'll be the payback.

Its only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Jonny on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:26pm
She had a set of balls that very few men in this world have to do what she did in a country that hung her father.

The only person in America that would have a set that big would be a soldier, to willing give their own life to save the lives of country men!

You wont find no pol in America with a set that size......EVER!!!!
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by thebbz on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:33pm
If whomever can get to Bhutto in the middle of the day in Karachi, then it seems likely they can do what they want about anywhere. Taking her out is cheating for sure.
Someones uncle should secure our borders and stop cleaning everyone else's back yard.
I don't know who to shoot at first ,the politicians or the terrorists.
What a senseless act of terror.
thebb
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Sean_C on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:42pm

on 12/27/07 at 20:33:13, thebbz wrote:
Someones uncle should secure our borders and stop cleaning everyone else's back yard.


Terror is something Americans don't have to deal with on a regular basis at home.

Thats the main reason this is an unpopular war. People forget. They feel secure again.
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Jonny on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:48pm

on 12/27/07 at 20:33:13, thebbz wrote:
Someones uncle should secure our borders


See, the pols dont even have a set big enough to build the 700 miles of fence that was approved....out fucking rageous!
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by chewy on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:52pm

Quote:
Terror is something Americans don't have to deal with on a regular basis at home.


Actually we do have to deal with it on a regular basis. Differance is we do it through preventive measures where other countries find themselves taking reactive measures. I dont need some liberal punk telling me my government is infringing on my civil and privacy rights. What I need is my government to take a proactive stance to protect us from terrorist consequences

What we dont deal with with on a regular bais is the consequences of terrorist actions like the one heading this thread.
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by thebbz on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:54pm
Never heard of a popular war. :o  Forgot about Pearl Harbor, forgot about WTC in 95. Politicians cant remember anything past their own election. It is unfortunate that Bhutto got it. Perhaps it will help people remember what the deal is.
Kill or be killed. Not much mercy in fanatical terrorism.
thebb
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Sean_C on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:55pm
Holy shit Chewy, where did that come from  ;;D

[smiley=thumb.gif]
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Kevin_M on Dec 27th, 2007, 8:58pm

on 12/27/07 at 20:26:21, Jonny wrote:
She had a set of balls that very few men in this world have to do what she did in a country that hung her father.



She stood up and backed the U.S. in the search in Afghanistan for bin Laden.



Quote:
Benazir Bhutto defends US attack

22 August 1998 - Saturday - 28 Rabi-us-Saani 1419

KARACHI, Aug 21: Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto said on Friday the United States was within its rights in attacking guerilla camps in Afghanistan.
The former prime minister was speaking to Reuters in an interview in Karachi while across the city demonstrators held rallies, burning the US flag and effigies of President Bill Clinton.

Anti-US protests erupted after Friday prayers in several cities of the country.

Ms Bhutto, who has been fighting allegations of corruption since losing power in November 1996, said the air strikes on Afghan territory did not directly concern Pakistan.

"They (the Taliban) have apparently given refuge to an Arab who is leading a Jihad against the United States and who apparently sponsored the bombings," she said, referring to the exiled Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden.

She said there was a misconceived perception that Pakistan supported the Taliban, and that the air strikes were indirectly aimed at Pakistan, which was "not really the case".

Ms Bhutto said the government should clearly explain that the United States had acted according to its rights under the United Nations charter, and reassure the Pakistani people that it would voice their reservations about the military option.

Ms Bhutto said she would have preferred Clinton to have used the United Nations route to pursue the bombers.

But she added that Clinton had acted according to UN provisions.

"The United Nations charter gives every nation the right to self defence, therefore when the American embassies were bombed it was a matter of time before the Americans responded by going for what they suspected were the causes of the attack," Ms Bhutto said.-Reuters



and has an impressive one-page bio

http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/bhu0bio-1
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by thebbz on Dec 27th, 2007, 9:16pm
Now all the politicians running for president are sparring back and forth like they lived with her or something. Its a big spin on fargin relations and taking shots at each other. I'm sure I will puke if I continue watching.
:)
thebb
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Jonny on Dec 27th, 2007, 9:20pm

on 12/27/07 at 21:16:57, thebbz wrote:
Now all the politicians running for president are sparring back and forth like they lived with her or something.


Not one of them would have the balls to do what Bhutto, did......NOT FUCKING ONE!!!!
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Sean_C on Dec 27th, 2007, 9:41pm

on 12/27/07 at 21:20:48, Jonny wrote:
Not one of them would have the balls to do what Bhutto, did......NOT FUCKING ONE!!!!


Ahhhhhhhh you sure about that ;;D ;;D

http://tinyurl.com/2uhnot
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Charlie on Dec 27th, 2007, 10:24pm

on 12/27/07 at 20:42:08, Sean_C wrote:
Terror is something Americans don't have to deal with on a regular basis at home.

Thats the main reason this is an unpopular war. People forget. They feel secure again.


Right. 9/11 has caused us to act a little "European." We don't like it and don't do it well yet but the Atlantic isn't as effective as it once was in keeping us comfy from these bottom feeders. All I ask is for Washington to keep its eye on them, not me and my neighbors.

She was imperfect but like you say here: She had balls. Not much on the horizon to replace her

Charlie
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 27th, 2007, 10:45pm


   
Quote:
The assassination of Benazir Bhutto jolted the race for the White House as candidates scrambled for political advantage while condemning the attack.


  The candidates are scrambeling to use this to their own advantage?    WTF????????????????

    I say lets not vote for anyone who is running right now.  Not one of them deserves to be in the Oval Office or be the leader of the free world.   NOT one of them.

Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Ree on Dec 27th, 2007, 10:48pm
God rest that dear lady's soul.  A mere 54 years young.  So brave so smart and with such grand ideas of freedom and democracy... Be free with the angels Benazir !

Ree
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by artonio7 on Dec 28th, 2007, 12:49am

on 12/27/07 at 20:52:43, chewy wrote:
What we dont deal with with on a regular bais is the consequences of terrorist actions like the one heading this thread.


I guess that depends on what side of the tracks you live on. Take a walk one night down Union Ave. in South Bronx, New York or any number of other urban "War zones" If you live to talk about it, maybe you can tell us how wonderful the visit was and how exhilarating it was to have such a safe warm fuzzy feeling in such an affluent neighborhood. Any pocket of poverty in this country is a willful act of self imposed terrorism. Allowing it to continue is criminal in and of itself.

After what I've experienced by this current administration "Countless lies, the drain of the US resource into the coffers of cronies through the war machine and a never ending list of terror tactics.) I'm beginning to wonder who the real enemy is.

We are being fed an endless stream of bullshit designed to pacify the masses. The patriotic and our youth are being exploited in this war effort and in the end as with most wars the rich always get richer. Complain about what's going on and immediately you are black-marked as being "un-American or a liberal"

Do you want to know what is un-American and treasonous.... the way the Disabled American Veterans are treated upon return after giving up so much and acting so bravely. Ever wonder how much it costs to run this war... and do you ever wonder who owns the company's which make the tools of war? You can bet your bottom dollar that the profits do not go into the tin cups of the broken soldiers nor their families.

I say Take the two by four out of our own eye first before worrying about the speck of dust in someone else's eye.

Why we continue to allow this to go on is baffling to me... if you want to be patriotic do something to improve the conditions for the Disabled American Vets.

with warm regards,
Tony
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by BarbaraD on Dec 28th, 2007, 7:04am

on 12/28/07 at 00:49:00, artonio7 wrote:
I guess that depends on what side of the tracks you live on. Take a walk one night down Union Ave. in South Bronx, New York or any number of other urban "War zones" If you live to talk about it, maybe you can tell us how wonderful the visit was and how exhilarating it was to have such a safe warm fuzzy feeling in such an affluent neighborhood. Any pocket of poverty in this country is a willful act of self imposed terrorism. Allowing it to continue is criminal in and of itself.

After what I've experienced by this current administration "Countless lies, the drain of the US resource into the coffers of cronies through the war machine and a never ending list of terror tactics.) I'm beginning to wonder who the real enemy is.

We are being fed an endless stream of bullshit designed to pacify the masses. The patriotic and our youth are being exploited in this war effort and in the end as with most wars the rich always get richer. Complain about what's going on and immediately you are black-marked as being "un-American or a liberal"


You are right Tony -- We don't UNDERSTAND what's going on in the rest of the world and we're being fed a line of BULLSHIT because our so-called leaders don't understand it either. We're taking "freedoms" away from Americans in the so-called efforts to free the world for democracy.

Our people are starving while we're trying to feed the rest of the world. Our kids are going uneducated while we're trying to educate third world kids. Our people are going without medical care while we're sending medical help to other countries. We're pushing our beliefs down people's throats while taking them away from our people.

Our country was founded on religious beliefs (In God we Trust) but now we're being banned from saying Merry Christmas for fear of "offending" someone. We have kids in high school who can't read and write.

Our terror alert should be at RED - not from outside but from our own politicians who are running our country and from US who are letting it happen.

Hugs BD
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Kevin_M on Dec 28th, 2007, 8:34am
One thing we can't also forget, there has been a declared jihad against the U.S. and other countries, ignoring it would create death and problems for as many innocent people as they will, unabated.
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Maffumatt on Dec 28th, 2007, 8:42am
She should have been a good Muslim woman and stayed at home.
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Paul98 on Dec 28th, 2007, 8:52am

on 12/27/07 at 20:52:43, chewy wrote:
Actually we do have to deal with it on a regular basis. Differance is we do it through preventive measures where other countries find themselves taking reactive measures. I dont need some liberal punk telling me my government is infringing on my civil and privacy rights. What I need is my government to take a proactive stance to protect us from terrorist consequences

What we dont deal with with on a regular bais is the consequences of terrorist actions like the one heading this thread.


Spot on Chew!

-P.
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Ghost on Dec 28th, 2007, 9:02am

on 12/28/07 at 08:52:35, Paul98 wrote:
Spot on Chew!

-P.

OMG Helen you have converted poor paul WHY? Wasnt he fine already? :P :P :P :P

(snickering to myself)

Mike
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Sean_C on Dec 28th, 2007, 9:34am

on 12/28/07 at 07:04:42, BarbaraD wrote:
You are right Tony -- We don't UNDERSTAND what's going on in the rest of the world and we're being fed a line of BULLSHIT because our so-called leaders don't understand it either. We're taking "freedoms" away from Americans in the so-called efforts to free the world for democracy.

I haven't lost any freedom Barb, have you?

Our people are starving while we're trying to feed the rest of the world.

We have welfare, the only way your going hungry is if you want to.

Our kids are going uneducated while we're trying to educate third world kids.

We have one of the largest school rehabilitation programs going on right now, these kids today have everything.

Our people are going without medical care while we're sending medical help to other countries.

Its law in Massachusetts that "every" employer gives its employees health care. We also have Mass health if your to lazy, an illegal immigant etc.

We're pushing our beliefs down people's throats while taking them away from our people.

What beliefs? Democracy?

Our country was founded on religious beliefs (In God we Trust) but now we're being banned from saying Merry Christmas for fear of "offending" someone.

Thats liberal policy.

We have kids in high school who can't read and write.

They play football and make 14 million a year. Seriously, I wonder where mom and dad were and why they didn't notice over the years.

Our terror alert should be at RED - not from outside but from our own politicians who are running our country and from US who are letting it happen.

Exactly  ;;D ;;D


Hugs back at ya Barb  ;;D
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by monty on Dec 28th, 2007, 9:37am
What was she thinking? Probably something along the lines that Martin Luther King was thinking in Memphis, when he talked about the threats against him shortly before he was killed.  
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Sean_C on Dec 28th, 2007, 9:59am

on 12/28/07 at 00:49:00, artonio7 wrote:
I guess that depends on what side of the tracks you live on. Take a walk one night down Union Ave. in South Bronx, New York or any number of other urban "War zones" If you live to talk about it, maybe you can tell us how wonderful the visit was and how exhilarating it was to have such a safe warm fuzzy feeling in such an affluent neighborhood. Any pocket of poverty in this country is a willful act of self imposed terrorism. Allowing it to continue is criminal in and of itself.

First, thats a local government issue. I live in a major city, I work in a major city, its poorest areas, and I have seen local government refuse to put on additional police, sign contracts, and basically turn there back. Boston has 66 murders to date this year. Changes can start on a local level with Local Administrations.


After what I've experienced by this current administration "Countless lies, the drain of the US resource into the coffers of cronies through the war machine and a never ending list of terror tactics.) I'm beginning to wonder who the real enemy is.

I doubt that will ever change in any government.

We are being fed an endless stream of bullshit designed to pacify the masses. The patriotic and our youth are being exploited in this war effort and in the end as with most wars the rich always get richer. Complain about what's going on and immediately you are black-marked as being "un-American or a liberal"

Tony, would your views change if the next administration was a liberal, they had the US Military pull out of the middle east, and then during thier administration a U.S. school was hit and hundreds of children were killed in the name of Jihad.

What would yor views be then.

Do you want to know what is un-American and treasonous.... the way the Disabled American Veterans are treated upon return after giving up so much and acting so bravely.

Agreed

Ever wonder how much it costs to run this war... and do you ever wonder who owns the company's which make the tools of war?

All Federal Contracts are in the public bidding process.

You can bet your bottom dollar that the profits do not go into the tin cups of the broken soldiers nor their families.

I thought it was there goal to keep the soldiers from getting broken?

I say Take the two by four out of our own eye first before worrying about the speck of dust in someone else's eye.

My blinders are off

Why we continue to allow this to go on is baffling to me... if you want to be patriotic do something to improve the conditions for the Disabled American Vets.

Thats an issue worth discussing, I agree whole heartedly.


Who's going to run our Country when Bush leaves and what are they saying that convinces you they can do a better job.

Thats worth discussing. Lets have it yall.
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by monty on Dec 28th, 2007, 11:23am

on 12/28/07 at 08:42:44, Maffumatt wrote:
She should have been a good Muslim woman and stayed at home.


So you agree with the Taleban definition of islam??  
;;D  8)
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by vietvet2tours on Dec 28th, 2007, 11:27am

on 12/28/07 at 11:23:27, monty wrote:
So you agree with the Taleban definition of islam??  
;;D  8)


on Today at 06:42, Maffumatt wrote:She should have been a good Muslim woman and stayed at home.


  That's called humor Texas style.

       Potter
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Karla on Dec 28th, 2007, 12:45pm
There is definetly a conspiricy going on with her death.  The corinor states that there was a big gaping hole in her.  They said she was shot, then they say that she was hit by shranel, now they are saying that she hit her head on the sunroof and that there was no bullet hole or shrapnel found in her.   [smiley=huh.gif]  Sounds like they can't get their story straight ond there afraid of something if the real truth is told.
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Annette on Dec 28th, 2007, 9:08pm

Benazir may have had incredible courage or it could have been over confidence in her own ability to cheat death or simply was stupid when she stood in the open to be killed last Thursday, who knows.

The mentality of someone living in a war zone is very different to someone living in a peaceful country. You become desensitised to all the violence around you. In a war torn country, going about town in a bullet proof vehicle would not win her any vote. Furthermore she had decided to end her own self imposed exile of 10 years to come back to Pakistan to do whatever she was going to do, she couldnt just sit indoor playing it safe, she had to head out. If she had wanted a safe life she wouldnt have ended her exile, she had enough money to live quite comfortably for the rest of her life in Dubai if she had wanted to.

The thing is, once you have led a life in the limelight of politics its hard to resist its temptation. Her father was Prime minister, was executed and both brothers were killed under suspicious circumstances. She herself has had a lifetime of achievement from the prestigious Harvard School to being elected Prime minister twice. Once a person had lived a life like that its extremely hard to resolve to living a quiet albeit comfortable life in exile until death by old age.

I am not sure if she was alive and got elected what would she be able to achieve, realistically. During both her previous terms as prime minister, she wasnt known to have achieved much politically, except for pushing for womans rights. Instead both her and her husband Asif Ali Zardari were charged with multiple counts of quite serious corruptions. Her husband spent 8 years in jail for corruption and frauds. She herself was known to always be dressed to the teeth in the most expensive designer clothings and accessories. Their asset is estimated to be more than 740 million pounds. How could this be achieved in such a poor country in record short time?

It is also interesting that her time in self imposed exile seemed to correspond to the time her husband was in jail for corruption. He went to jail 1996 and she went to Dubai 1998. He was released 2004 and she decided to return to Pakistan 2007. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. If she was really a freedom fighter for the Pakistani people then why would she tolerate a frauding, corrupting husband and would only be active politically with him around?

A case of the Marcos ?
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Charlie on Dec 29th, 2007, 1:57am
You know what the healthy thing to do is?

Pay no further attention to cable news on this tragedy. Buy several good newspaper papers and read it there. You get more and better information without erectile dysfunction ads.

You can slide right past the Britney crap too.

Charlie
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by brewcrew on Dec 29th, 2007, 6:23pm

on 12/29/07 at 01:57:14, Charlie wrote:
Buy several good newspaper papers and read it there.

Those actually exist? I haven't read a newspaper in over a year because of all the crap contained therein, especially on the editorial pages.
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by llreed on Dec 29th, 2007, 9:03pm
To each there own -
We all have opinions some popular some not.  Still a women that spoke her mind with some editing I am sure.  Still a mother that loved her children.  Still a patriot that loved her country.  My prayers are with her children.  
llreed
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Ree on Dec 29th, 2007, 9:13pm
Sean you are so smart... LLreed I pray along with you... still a woman and a patriot dead before her time for trying to change the world for the better.  

God speed her home into his arms and comfort her children...

love to you both  ree
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Paul98 on Dec 29th, 2007, 9:26pm

on 12/29/07 at 01:57:14, Charlie wrote:
You know what the healthy thing to do is?

Pay no further attention to cable news on this tragedy. Buy  read several good newspaper papers and read it there. You get more and better information without erectile dysfunction ads.

You can slide right past the Britney crap too.

Charlie


Yep!  I read several every day both from the left and right points of view.  I even read the some of the far "wing" writings (left and right) to see how bad their point of view is.  

If you read only one news paper you are being brain washed and fooled into thinking what you read is the mainstream thought of the USA.  READ!

-P.
Title: Re: Benazir Bhutto.  What Were You Thinking?
Post by Charlie on Dec 29th, 2007, 9:30pm

on 12/29/07 at 18:23:44, brewcrew wrote:
Those actually exist? I haven't read a newspaper in over a year because of all the crap contained therein, especially on the editorial pages.


LOL. The one I read is owned by Warren Buffet and as a result, the Buffalo News leans a bit to the left so its editorial page contain nothing but pearls of wisdom.  8)

Seriously, it's just that papers give you a chance to find out so much more. It's just my thing.

Charlie


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