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Neurotoxin Studies?
« on: Oct 16th, 2006, 9:54pm »
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Some critters contain neurotoxins that would be beneficial to study for a possible treatment for our condition. Some have been mentioned ie. frogs.  
All laughter aside does anyone have more information regarding this?
really not kidding
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Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
« Reply #1 on: Oct 16th, 2006, 10:04pm »
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Botulism? I only remember it helping one person with CH, but it's supposed to be pretty good for migraines.  
Now, if only I could remember whether the one person was an actual study, or just a report....  Undecided
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Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
« Reply #2 on: Oct 16th, 2006, 11:50pm »
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Joan kissed you and you became a prince.
 
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Even though we were jesting, you should read the links in the other thread.
 
I foresee this gaining popularity in a few decades when everything organic is legal and synthetic will be illegal.
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Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
« Reply #3 on: Oct 17th, 2006, 12:55am »
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Hi jb Grin
 
Please "Don't try this at home". Very scary.
 
see: http://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads.shtml
 
Here's a funny article http://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads_writings2.shtml
 
The indole-ring compound is 5-MeO-DMT (a very scary drug). I suspect that 5-MeO-DMT would have beneficial effects on CH, but I would never go near toad venom. A better way to use 5-MeO-DMT is by using ayahuasca, but only under the supervision of a shaman in Brazil.  Undecided  
 
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Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
« Reply #4 on: Oct 17th, 2006, 7:05am »
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on Oct 17th, 2006, 12:55am, BikerBob wrote:

 
Please "Don't try this at home". Very scary.

 
The good news:  you won't have to hurt the toads!   Cheesy
The bad news: toad ash tastes about like you'd guess it would.   Cheesy
 
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Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
« Reply #5 on: Oct 17th, 2006, 11:53am »
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All kidding aside, take a look at the similarities in chemical structure between Sumatriptan and Psilocybin--
 
Sumatriptan:

 
Psilocybin:

 
(borrowed from Biker Bob's post in the "Psilocybin Theory" thread--hope you don't mind, Bob)
 
and Bufotenin, from toads and a variety of plant sources--
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bufotenin.png
 
Interesting.  Whether or not this could be of therapeutic interest in managing CH is another question, and I can't address that, since I simply do not know.
 
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Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
« Reply #6 on: Oct 17th, 2006, 12:52pm »
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Bees. Honey bees. Lots of `em. Well placed on the affected side. They've been doing this for MS for years. Beta testers needed.
 
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on Oct 17th, 2006, 12:52pm, Mr. Happy wrote:

YOU go first.

Honestly?  I would if there was somewhere around here that did it.
 
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Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
« Reply #8 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 8:44am »
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Isnt the Frog thing a Simpsons episode. Everyone licks/kisses the frogs and spaces out?  hahahahaha  Hey I would be game to try just about anything.
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Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 8:44am, mynm156 wrote:
Isnt the Frog thing a Simpsons episode. Everyone licks/kisses the frogs and spaces out?  hahahahaha  Hey I would be game to try just about anything.  

 
Don't try this one.  It can kill you deader than a--well, a road-kill toad.
 
No kidding.
 
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Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
« Reply #10 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 10:27pm »
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Sacred essence of toad venom....ROTFLMOL bunch of hippies will smoke anything. Thanks BB  
How do they keep the toads lit?
and it was a Simpsons episode..Homer tripped.
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Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
« Reply #11 on: Oct 21st, 2006, 6:37am »
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http://www.painonline.com/mt-archives/2006/03/central_pain_an_1.html
 
http://www.painonline.com/mt-archives/2006/03/oral_n_type_cal.html
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