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Cluster headache cure
« on: Feb 4th, 2008, 5:32pm » |
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I don't know much about this site, but found it today. If it has been mentioned already, I apologise, but it seems interesting.
http://www.clusterheadachecure.com
Let me know what you think. I haven't even read it all yet.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #1 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 6:26pm » |
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No apologies necassary, that's exactly what this forum is for, to discuss this kind of stuff. I have no experience with the book, but the first line,
[ARE YOU MALE??
Raises a lot of red flags. It used to be thought only males got them and all you women CH'ers were just exaggerating your migrains. Needless to say we now know that is not the case.
Has anyone read this book? The "CURE" part will set a lot of people off as to this point there is no such thing. It might be a compilation of good material..........I suspect you'll find the same information here though....
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #2 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 7:47pm » |
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I thought some of the statistical info was interesting. And the fact that many doctors do not understand the CHs. It may be good reading. Then again.........
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #3 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 7:49pm » |
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What Guiseppi said.
The line he quoted in full:
Are you a male aged between 20 and 50 years?
Helen's son started at 3 (if I remember right) and I am 71 and still going strong (at least cluster wise).
Beside that, the rest of the page is much more accurate than what one otherwise reads.
But the "cure" is disqualified at the bottom of the page:
All material provided on this website is provided for informational or education purposes only. No content is intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment.
Do I have to buy the book for my doctor, so, after reading it, he can "cure" me? 
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #4 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 8:12pm » |
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LOL....U-Man!! 
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It is up to YOU to educate yourself and then help your doctor plan your treatment. If you just sit down in front of your doctor and say "make me better" you are setting yourself up for a great deal of pain.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #6 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 10:04pm » |
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Regarding: http://www.clusterheadachecure.com/ or The Cluster Cure™......
It appears Dr. Angela Butkevic has a few references to check into:
End Your Driving Anxiety Fast With The Driving Fear Program
"As a Clinical Psychologist, it's my duty to know the most effective treatments for people troubled by phobias such as driving anxiety. The Driving Fear Program is the BEST resource I've found, I recommend it to all my patients." Dr. Angela Butkevic, PsyD.
She really likes recommending things. Let's get the bloodhounds on the trail.
Check this out:
http://www.asianpay.cn/mental-health/FEARCURE.htm
Check out the website design -- kind of familiar?
We got us a nasty scam on the radar.
Take a little look into the "Better Internet Bureau" -- some Canadian scammers trying to help other crooks look legit -- their website doesn't even work -- yet they are the "Better Internet Bureau".
Weir's a Chiropractor who claims that he cures 95% of the migraine patients that come into his practice. What a maroon.
This thing has a bunch of aromas about it and they all have a hint of poo.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #7 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 3:44pm » |
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They must know someone is ON to them...
Here's what I get. Quote: The page cannot be displayed
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Re: Cluster headache cure
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Linda, it's not "page" but "mind".....
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #9 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 4:49pm » |
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Legally chiropractors, physiotherapists, dentists, psychologists etc are not doctors. However, most of them like to call themselves doctors, which is misleading to the public.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #10 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 5:49pm » |
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on Feb 5th, 2008, 4:49pm, Annette wrote:
Legally chiropractors, physiotherapists, dentists, psychologists etc are not doctors. However, most of them like to call themselves doctors, which is misleading to the public. |
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Bettin my oral surgeon is a leetle bit more than ASE certified.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #11 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 6:06pm » |
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If this was this dude's passion as he says, seems like he'd be here sharing the information for free.
I wouldn't cross the street to piss in this dude's ear if his brain was on fire.
You're better off waiting for Tom Cruise to personally help you.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #12 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 7:36pm » |
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on Feb 5th, 2008, 4:49pm, Annette wrote:
Legally chiropractors, physiotherapists, dentists, psychologists etc are not doctors. However, most of them like to call themselves doctors, which is misleading to the public. |
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Yes, legally they are doctors, they just aren't MD's. I don't see how they are misleading the public. Most people woudlnt' go do a psychologist for surgery and on the flip-flop, people don't go to MDs' for psychological assessments.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #13 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 9:39pm » |
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My chiropractor would take umbrage with that. Her school (Palmer College of Chiropractic) issued her a diploma with the degree "Doctor of Chiropractic."
I don't go to her for CH treatment, or root canals, or gall bladder surgery, or heart bypass. I go to her when my back hurts or I've somehow injured my musculo-skeletal system. She works wonders for that.
I guarantee my GP couldn't do what she does. But they're both doctors.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
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Technically speaking all attorneys in the USA are doctors, their degree is a Juris Doctorate in law! (And I probably spelled that wrong too!)
Attention DJ, can we get spell check on this thing for us grammatically challenged types! 
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #15 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 11:13pm » |
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on Feb 5th, 2008, 4:49pm, Annette wrote:
Legally chiropractors, physiotherapists, dentists, psychologists etc are not doctors. However, most of them like to call themselves doctors, which is misleading to the public. |
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Who might these etc.be.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
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But they're not the healing type. I play in a band with three PhD's, and they're not technically "healing" doctors, but they're closer than lawyers: two psychologists and a professor of anesthesiology.
My chiropractor heals me.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 11:21pm » |
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Sounds like there are differences in the US system and the English system. In Australia, its illegal to proclaim oneself as a doctor unless one has a PhD or has been through medical school.
In Australia, oral surgeons are not dentists, they are oro-maxillo-facial surgeons. General dentists here dont do surgery, only simple extractions.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #18 on: Feb 6th, 2008, 9:29am » |
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on Feb 5th, 2008, 11:21pm, Annette wrote:
Sounds like there are differences in the US system and the English system. In Australia, its illegal to proclaim oneself as a doctor unless one has a PhD or has been through medical school.
In Australia, oral surgeons are not dentists, they are oro-maxillo-facial surgeons. General dentists here dont do surgery, only simple extractions. |
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Legally chiropractors, physiotherapists, dentists, psychologists etc are not doctors. However, most of them like to call themselves doctors, which is misleading to the public. |
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Annette,
Sorry, but you aren't making any sense to me, here. If a person has a PhD, DVM, DDS, DO, DC, JD (and yes, you spelled it correctly, Guisseppi) they are all entitled to call themselves *Dr.*. However, you said in your first post, they are NOT doctors and are misleading to the public when they call themselves doctors. So, dentists in your county don't call themselves *Dr*?
And, in the US, there is a really big difference between an oral surgeon and a maxiofacial surgeon (this I know, because we just happen to have one of each).
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #19 on: Feb 6th, 2008, 10:12am » |
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That 'e-book' looks like something that was developed for migraines and other headaches, and then re-written for clusters. I'm not tempted to buy it.
on Feb 5th, 2008, 11:21pm, Annette wrote:
Sounds like there are differences in the US system and the English system. In Australia, its illegal to proclaim oneself as a doctor unless one has a PhD or has been through medical school.
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Here, the scope of practice is the critical factor - the term doctor has little meaning itself. If you hang up a shingle advertising yourself as a family physician, you need to have a degree and professional registration that lets you do so. Dentists and other medical professionals are commonly addressed as doctor - so are the veterinarians.
we have media celebs like "Dr. Phil" and "Dr. Laura" and "Dr. Ruth" who may or may not even have a Ph.D. - not a problem unless they try practicing medicine.
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seems like there are differences in the US system and the Swiss system as well. In Switzerland, its illegal to proclaim oneself as a doctor unless one got a PhD or has been through medical school.
In Switzerland, dentists are called (under the new system) med. dent.
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She is my dentist, and she did her Uni. Degree - and it is the same as what used to be calld Dr. Med. Dent. in the past.
So difrent thingyries defrent ways.....
To the "Book" I will try and get a hold of one as soon as I can and will be able to tell you all abot the CH cure....
but just looking at the Link given........
I wonder what are all the reserchers are doing.....
If in one simple book we find the "cure"....
and what for am I going thrugh my "new tretment"
with so much hope......... I must be stupid / masochist
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I just need to get the book........... and I am "CURED"
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #21 on: Feb 6th, 2008, 3:50pm » |
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The book may be interesting or it may not. I am sure this site can offer just as much, if not more info than the book, collectively. After all, there is a lot of brain power on this site and we have all tried about everything possible to stop, abort or any other thing to get through the headaches. We are the power. Huah!
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Re: Cluster headache cure
« Reply #22 on: Feb 6th, 2008, 5:01pm » |
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Michael,
I'm not seeing where our systems are different, at all. Perhaps Annette needs to rephrase what she said. In my post, I indicated that the use of legitimate use of the term *Dr* requires a particular type of degree (used PhD and others as an example).
Now, I'm confused.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
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well heres my  . now keep in mind i have a cdl not a phd. i cured my ch solely by using this site. haven't been to a nuero, haven't taken any rx drugs. i've got all the info i need right here. i can get unbiased advice, support, and i've made some great friends here who understand. i'm not advising anyone not to see a nuero, however if you don't have insurance and can't afford several doctor visits, this site is very helpful. if you do buy the book, by all means, let us know what you think. seems like theres allot of good info on their page. the meditation method sounds pretty good.
oh, and you never have to apologize for bringing us info. information is golden. thanks for posting this.
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Re: Cluster headache cure
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on Mar 9th, 2008, 11:05pm, outofcommission wrote:| ... i cured my ch solely by using this site. haven't been to a nuero, haven't taken any rx drugs. i've got all the info i need right here.. . |
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Although I understand perfectly where you are coming from, and I respect that is your choice but I need to say that this is not good practice and there are risks involved with what you are doing, and in the general term, not recommended.
I am not having a dig at you, I am just wanting to stress that the best way is to get a proper diagnosis from a headache specialist, get a few tests done to rule out other nasties , then discuss and choose the treatments you are most comfortable with, with your doctors. This board is to provide information, not diagnosis nor treatment plan.
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