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(Message started by: chadb397 on May 19th, 2008, 5:23pm)
Title: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by chadb397 on May 19th, 2008, 5:23pm
Hi!  I have something that may SAFELY relieve the pain of cluster headaches...  My cycle doesn't usually start until July, so unfortunately I cannot test my theory... We know water is helpful and oxygen works quite well...  I have recently come across a bottled water that is oxygen bonded and I have seen it have other positive effects within two heart beats...  Thats when the thought came to me that this may work with clusters...  I will send someone this water at no charge if you are willing to give it a try...  I won't hurt you, its just water, not flavored, just a bottled water...  Let me know!  Thanks!

P.S.  No one has claimed this works its just a thought...
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Brew on May 19th, 2008, 5:25pm
Interesting first post.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by AlienSpaceGuy on May 19th, 2008, 6:45pm
Oxygenated water is a fad of the wellness business.

The minimal amount of oxygen in a bottle (less than in half a lung full of air) will hardly do any good to a human (unless his wallet needs slimming).

Donate it to the fishes in the aquarium, they take up the oxygen with their gills.


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Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by George_J on May 19th, 2008, 7:05pm

on 05/19/08 at 18:45:42, AlienSpaceGuy wrote:
Donate it to the fishes in the aquarium, they take up the oxygen with their gills.


                 [smiley=smokin.gif]



;;D  ;;D

Wonder what a molecule of "oxygen bonded" water looks like?  <scratches head>  There's already an oxygen atom in the thing, and no more room for another.

Now--you can dissolve gaseous oxygen in water, but that's easily done.  Just shake the bottle.

Conversational aside:  There's a place over around Hagerman, Idaho where water comes up in springs from a deep aquifer.  When it first comes out, it's completely deoxygenated.  Weird stuff.  Until it runs down the hill a ways and bounces around, getting some atmosphere percolating through it, nothing that's oxygen-breathing can live in it--fish, crawdads, snails, aquatic insects--nothing.

George
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Barry_T_Coles on May 20th, 2008, 9:29am
There’s only one way you can get more oxygen into a liquid & that is by turning it into “H2 O2 ” hydrogen peroxide & there is no way in the world that anyone will get me to drop that down my gullet.

With all respect
Barry
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by danielpeterson on May 20th, 2008, 11:14am
I, too, have been pondering the role of oxygen in CH. The doctor that I put a lot of stock in, John Sarno, claims that many mysterious aches and pains we experience --seemingly with no physiological correlation to actual damagings-- are simply the brain shutting down the oxygen supply to a body part. I AM, thus, planning to take one of those new fangled courses in "breathwork," a system of concious breathing, sometimes using hyperventilation. I see that Andrew Weil, the MD, and Gay Hendricks, the relationships guy, are both into using the oxygen intake mechanisms for mediatation, psychotherapy and physical health... My CH has usually come in spring, when my manual labor schedule intensifies, so I AM keeping my Eyes open....
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by AussieBrian on May 20th, 2008, 2:02pm

on 05/20/08 at 11:14:48, danielpeterson wrote:
....I AM, thus, planning to take one of those new fangled courses in "breathwork," a system of concious breathing, sometimes using hyperventilation... so I AM keeping my Eyes open....

And rightly so, Daniel.  If it does no harm, and may help, only good can come from it.  Importantly, please stay in touch to tell us the results.  

Perhaps it's a complete waste of time and money or maybe, just maybe, there's something in it to help many of our ClusterBrethren.

We'll never know 'til someone gives it a go and all research is good research while no-one gets hurt.

Keep us informed, mate, and thank you for caring.

B.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by chadb397 on May 20th, 2008, 2:26pm
There is a 15- Step Proprietary Purification Process that includes one-Micron Filtration, Carbon Filtration, Multi-Chamber Reverse Osmosis (finer than that of the human kidney), Ultra Violet Chambers and Ozonated for increased quality assurance.  It is enhanced with electrolytes and essential minerals, including Potassium.  Ionized for enhanced Alkalinity (pH).  Microstructured with the proprietary technology, and Empowered with MBO, a proprietary process.  

I appreciate anyone that is interested and thank the rest of you that are negative for wasting my time...  I honestly do not care to here your thoughts on this unless this has been proven to do nothing.  Since no one has tried this exact product on here your opinions are meaningless... Remember you may think you know it all, but obviously you don't, if you did you would have come up with a cure for CH.

Negative people never believe in the possibilities of change or positive growth... I work with a few inventors and we have come up with technologies that will revolutionize industries and most of you would think these technologies would not be possible.  Although we have had correspondence with the FDA that resulted in a response saying this is the next 'vital sign'.  So anything is possible.

I have SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES people able to jump higher, be more flexible, and have better balance after about 4oz of this water and two heartbeats... That is not a joke and the company cannot claim that, but it gave me the thought of possibilities and the belief in this product.  My thoughts aren't that this will work with one little shot of water.   I believe that if someone drinks this on a consistent basis during the cycle it may be enough to keep enough oxygen flowing to your brain and deter a CH.

So if you're interested let me know, if not keep it to yourself, you think you know more than you do.

Thanks
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Brew on May 20th, 2008, 2:28pm
Elmer Gantry you're not.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Jean on May 20th, 2008, 3:04pm
Hello Chadb397,

You wouldn't happen to work for this company that makes this water.... would you?

Just curious.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Charlotte on May 20th, 2008, 3:29pm

on 05/20/08 at 14:26:53, chadb397 wrote:
I appreciate anyone that is interested and thank the rest of you that are negative for wasting my time...  I honestly do not care to here your thoughts on this unless this has been proven to do nothing.  Since no one has tried this exact product on here your opinions are meaningless... Remember you may think you know it all, but obviously you don't, if you did you would have come up with a cure for CH.


Hi Chad.  Do you have cluster headaches?

There is a lot of moral support here, and you might want to back up and try another approach.

Normally, I say welcome aboard, and I'm sorry you had to find us, but I am reserving judgement for the moment.

Charlotte
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on May 20th, 2008, 3:54pm
Chad, it is much more likely that 'Microstructured with your proprietary technology, and Empowered with MBO, your proprietary process', would help with cluster headaches than the additional miniscule amount of oxygen.  You would probably get more oxygen in your system if you bought a houseplant.

And let me ask you.  You say you have seen positive effects within 2 heartbeats?  2 heartbeats for me would take approximately 1 to 2 seconds.  What kind of positive effects did you see within 1 to 2 seconds?  After you open the bottle, it would take approximately 30 minutes for the O3 to break down to O2.  


That being said, typically those who want to make a sales pitch need to speak with the owner of the site first.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by George_J on May 20th, 2008, 5:01pm
::)

Edit to add:

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/gallery.html

Knock yerself out.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Balanchine on May 20th, 2008, 6:51pm
Can I get a sandwich with the water????
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by AlienSpaceGuy on May 20th, 2008, 7:25pm
The usual wishy-washy pseudo-scientific flubdub of a scam artist.


Quote:
There is a 15- Step Proprietary Purification Process that includes one-Micron Filtration, Carbon Filtration, Multi-Chamber Reverse Osmosis (finer than that of the human kidney), Ultra Violet Chambers and Ozonated for increased quality assurance.
What's wrong with distilling water? Not enough mystique to justify an exorbitant price?


Go and peddle your miraculous oxygenated dihydrogen monoxide at a site with dumber people than here.


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Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by jon019 on May 20th, 2008, 9:13pm

on 05/20/08 at 14:26:53, chadb397 wrote:
So if you're interested let me know, if not keep it to yourself, you think you know more than you do.

Thanks


Am I dumber than you are? Don't know and don't care. Am I negative? Nope, but I see that you are.

The lack of maturity I see in your msg really tells me all I need to know. I'll listen to anything, hey I'm a clusterhead, we are a desperate people (well, ok, I am anyway). Please, tell us what you find out.

And PLEASE, don't tell me I am not "allowed" to question or disagree (which actually I haven't, just haven't seen anything that would convince me).

Am I feeding a troll? Damn, that's a good question.

Oh, and BTW, you are not allowed to respond to this msg, you may "keep it to yourself". I cannot accept anything else.

Regards,

Jon
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by George_J on May 21st, 2008, 1:12am

on 05/20/08 at 14:26:53, chadb397 wrote:
I honestly do not care to here your thoughts on this unless this has been proven to do nothing.  Since no one has tried this exact product on here your opinions are meaningless...


Waterboy, you can totally bite me.

[smiley=moonwiggle.gif]
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by chadb397 on May 21st, 2008, 3:40am
No I do not work for the company... A friend showed it to me saturday and I was amazed by the effects, had a thought, talked to my scientist, pharm-D and PA-C and we all thought it could possibly work on a CH... I have someone that is wanting to try so I should know within a couple weeks and thats all I needed.
Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by seasonalboomer on May 21st, 2008, 6:24am

on 05/20/08 at 14:26:53, chadb397 wrote:

I have SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES people able to jump higher, be more flexible, and have better balance after about 4oz of this water and two heartbeats... That is not a joke and the company cannot claim that, but it gave me the thought of possibilities and the belief in this product.


Next time I have worries over my jumping ability I'll check it out.


:-/

Scott
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Brew on May 21st, 2008, 8:01am

on 05/21/08 at 03:40:04, chadb397 wrote:
No I do not work for the company... A friend showed it to me saturday and I was amazed by the effects, had a thought, talked to my scientist, pharm-D and PA-C and we all thought it could possibly work on a CH... I have someone that is wanting to try so I should know within a couple weeks and thats all I needed.
Thanks for the help.

How cool is that? You have your own scientist.

I wish I could have my own scientist.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Audre on May 21st, 2008, 8:33am

on 05/21/08 at 08:01:40, Brew wrote:
How cool is that? You have your own scientist.

I wish I could have my own scientist.


I thought everyone had their own scientist?

Mine follows me around every where I go.  He's like one of those stray dogs that you feed once then won't leave you alone.   :o
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Jean on May 21st, 2008, 9:41am
Hey Audre,

Maybe with the special powers from this water you would be able to run away from your scientist that keeps hangin' around.  If you're trying to shake him. [smiley=bash.gif]
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Brew on May 21st, 2008, 9:57am

on 05/21/08 at 09:41:24, Jean wrote:
Maybe with the special powers from this water you would be able to run away from your scientist that keeps hangin' around.

Why would anybody want to run away from their scientist? Nancy Reagan has her astrological advisor, B. Hussein Obama has his preacher, I want my own scientist.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on May 21st, 2008, 10:31am

on 05/21/08 at 03:40:04, chadb397 wrote:
No I do not work for the company... A friend showed it to me saturday and I was amazed by the effects, had a thought, talked to my scientist, pharm-D and PA-C and we all thought it could possibly work on a CH... I have someone that is wanting to try so I should know within a couple weeks and thats all I needed.
Thanks for the help.


So, you aren't gonna answer the questions I asked, then?  Why not?  What are you afraid of, little buddy?

http://www.televisionheaven.co.uk/gill1.jpg
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Audre on May 21st, 2008, 10:39am
You can borrow mine if you'd like.  He's more of a vanity scientist though.  When people start bragging "Oh I just bought this" or "I just bought that" or "Today's my birthday" I'm like "Yeah? Well, I have a scientist!" Then he pops out from behind me wearing his white lab coat, does a few tricks and everyone's oh'ing and ah'ing.   ;;D
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Brew on May 21st, 2008, 10:44am

on 05/21/08 at 10:39:21, Audre wrote:
You can borrow mine if you'd like.  He's more of a vanity scientist though.  When people start bragging "Oh I just bought this" or "I just bought that" or "Today's my birthday" I'm like "Yeah? Well, I have a scientist!" Then he pops out from behind me wearing his white lab coat, does a few tricks and everyone's oh'ing and ah'ing.   ;;D

That's not gonna git 'r dun. I want my own real scientist. Not a Sears scientist. ;)
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Jean on May 21st, 2008, 10:47am
Hey with my luck my scientist would be one of them "mad scientists"  That's how things work for me.  
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by George_J on May 21st, 2008, 11:17am

on 05/21/08 at 10:44:42, Brew wrote:
That's not gonna git 'r dun. I want my own real scientist. Not a Sears scientist. ;)


Good luck with that.  

A couple years ago, a patent-water salesman sold me one that he SWORE was a real scientist.  I found out later that it was just a Scientologist.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Balanchine on May 21st, 2008, 11:29am
I still want a sandwich! Audre, could your scientist at least make me a sandwich?
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Audre on May 21st, 2008, 1:11pm
Sure, when he's not popping out doing weird science tricks, I have him working as my maid and chef.  He looks really cute in the little maid outfit I bought him.


on 05/21/08 at 10:47:02, Jean wrote:
Hey with my luck my scientist would be one of them "mad scientists"  That's how things work for me.  


hehe.  Don't we all feel like that's how it is at times?
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Balanchine on May 21st, 2008, 1:15pm
Great! I'll have an Imitrex sandwich on Topomax bread, hold the Lithium. And fries.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Audre on May 21st, 2008, 1:40pm
If my scientist/chef/French maid had those pills just lying around, I'd be in my own personal drug-induced heaven right now, not contemplating murdering everyone at my insurance company for not letting me have more medicine.  [smiley=bigguns.gif]
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Balanchine on May 21st, 2008, 1:57pm
Audre, assume you've perused the canadian pharmacies...? I can't  speak for the injectable form, but I'm getting 100 mg Imitrex tabs generic for about 7 bucks each from our good friends to the north instead of the 20 they were charging me here in LA. And I'm an amateur. Some of the more experienced hands here on the board might be able to help you with an even better price.

david, the un-mad un-scientist
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by wildhaus on May 23rd, 2008, 9:37am
I have just seen this post…..

As you promised, Chadb397, and I quote:



on 05/19/08 at 17:23:45, chadb397 wrote:
I will send someone this water at no charge if you are willing to give it a try...  ...



I would like, you to ship (air fright,
Fed. Ex )
a case of the “O2 water” on your
account (as you have promised)
do not forget custom costs,
and documentation costs
I will try it, and let you (and all) know,
and I will be honest.

It is you now that should put deeds
where your word where.

PM me for the shipment address

Michael

BTW, I do have  Cluster Cycle (CCH) all the time.....
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Annette on May 23rd, 2008, 10:30am

on 05/20/08 at 14:26:53, chadb397 wrote:
....  I believe that if someone drinks this on a consistent basis during the cycle it may be enough to keep enough oxygen flowing to your brain and deter a CH.



Please check with your scientist these facts!

Blood gets oxygenated via your lungs, not the oxygen from any fluid swallowed into your stomach ! To get oxygenated, haemoglobins need to exchange carbon dioxide for the oxygen. This only occurs in the alveoli of the lungs, not the digestive system.

If you have good strong healthy lungs, the normal oxygen saturation in your arteries at all time is around 98-100%, no matter how much more oxygen you "drink" into your body, this wont change.

Any oxygen available in the food and drink will be broken down by the digestive juice in the stomach before going any further.

Only fish benefit from oxygenated water. We dont have gills. Its against evolution !
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Brew on May 23rd, 2008, 10:39am
Are we not fish?

We are Devo.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Balanchine on May 23rd, 2008, 11:30am
Annette.... shhhh!  I want the guy to ship a case of water to Switzerland!
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by wildhaus on May 23rd, 2008, 12:07pm

on 05/23/08 at 11:30:29, Balanchine wrote:
Annette.... shhhh!  



Annette....  I want the guy to ship a case of water to Switzerland.....
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by LeeS on May 23rd, 2008, 1:27pm

on 05/23/08 at 10:39:10, Brew wrote:
Are we not fish?

Yes Brew. If anyone ever get hiccups, they are a fish 8)

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/02/evolution-expla.html

-Lee

Modified for grammar ::)
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Brew on May 23rd, 2008, 5:07pm
No wonder my neck hurts.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Annette on May 24th, 2008, 12:49am

on 05/23/08 at 10:39:10, Brew wrote:
Are we not fish?



I have to say some people are more fishy than others and maybe thats why they find oxygenated water beneficial ?  [smiley=huh.gif]



PS: Sorry Michael, but do you really believe that you will get a crate of this miracle water sent to you free of charge?


Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Linda_Howell on May 24th, 2008, 1:14am

 Let me see...this guy is from Sarasota, Fla.  has some special water that makes him jump higher and his heart beat faster and is convinced that if someone wants to try this to see if it would help CH he'd be happy to provide it.

 Why not just tell us the name of this water and we can buy and try it on our own.?

  But then again I'm blonde and he seems to be a know-it-all and very condescending to the rest of us here who know nothing at all (LMAO)  so I suppose I am talking in a vaccuum here anyway.    ::)

  Doesn't it make ya all wonder how much people like this read the board here as well as OUCH... BEFORE they post insulting crap like this?  It does me.

  Water-boy? Please  Go here:

http://www.ouch-us.org/index.shtml
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by hollygolightly on May 24th, 2008, 7:10am

on 05/21/08 at 01:12:37, George_J wrote:
Waterboy, you can totally bite me.

[smiley=moonwiggle.gif]



This board has really cheered me up, I especially love the above quote. In fact I'm going to start using 'waterboy you can totally bite me' in general conversation. Even if I can't be PF today I can still laugh at waterboy and his ridiculous fake advertising.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by purpleydog on May 24th, 2008, 1:03pm
Who is the company, and where do they sell the water? Surely, you aren't trying to get people to try water that could very well be a biohazard?

What is the name of the water? Why won't you tell us?

I'm glad your scientist, et al, have concurred this may possibly work for CH. There are a lot of things that may possibly work for CH. Why are you so hell bent on sending someone water, have you tried it? What is the name of the company?

I wouldn't try your water if you sent it to me for free, without knowing who the company is, the name of the water, and proving to me it wasn't just dipped out of a sewer somewhere... For all I know, it's a hazardous material.

Why don't you wait for your own cycle, and try it, and let us know how it works. Since you won't provide us the info we would like to have about the water. What are you afraid of?

Or maybe it's oil.

Snake oil.
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by purpleydog on May 24th, 2008, 1:09pm

on 05/23/08 at 09:37:20, wildhaus wrote:
I have just seen this post…..


I would like, you to ship (air fright,
Fed. Ex )
a case of the “O2 water” on your
account (as you have promised)
do not forget custom costs,
and documentation costs
I will try it, and let you (and all) know,
and I will be honest.

It is you now that should put deeds
where your word where.

PM me for the shipment address

Michael

BTW, I do have  Cluster Cycle (CCH) all the time.....



[smiley=crackup.gif]

Michael, that cracked me  up. Good one!
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Balanchine on May 24th, 2008, 3:23pm

on 05/24/08 at 01:14:45, Linda_Howell wrote:
 Let me see...this guy is from Sarasota, Fla.  


Sarasota is just down the pike from Clearwater.... Clearwater is the east coast center of Scientology... hmm.....
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Jonny on May 24th, 2008, 3:29pm

on 05/23/08 at 10:39:10, Brew wrote:
Are we not fish?

We are Devo.


LMMFAO....Brew!!!!  ;;D
Title: Re: Anyone currently having a Cluster Cycle?
Post by Brew on May 24th, 2008, 3:42pm

on 05/24/08 at 15:29:14, Jonny wrote:
LMMFAO....Brew!!!!  ;;D

I was waiting to see if anyone would catch that.


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