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(Message started by: Bandette74 on Dec 20^th, 2004, 5:40pm)

Title: Lidocaine???
Post by Bandette74 on Dec 20^th, 2004, 5:40pm

anyone sniff this stuff?

i'm on trex pills... i know, i know, but they usually work pretty well for me. it's just that i obviously can't take a trex shot if i get hit when i'm taking the pills anyway. this hardly ever happens, but it's happened twice, and so i'm exploring emergency options...

does the lidocaine work cuz i can take that and trex at the same time...

danka! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by mawmaw on Dec 20^th, 2004, 6:01pm

My hubby has used the lidocaine. It worked for him for about 5min. That was about long enough for me to make sure he had O2 handy. :)

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by forgetfulnot on Dec 20^th, 2004, 8:31pm

Wast of time..................

Lee

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by t_h_b on Dec 20^th, 2004, 8:37pm

Yes, lidocaine can help a lot.

You have to really snort to get it high enough in there and it burns but it's a good burn. If it doesn't burn, it's not in there high enough and/or you haven't used enough.

5% is better than a lower percentage and the petrolatum-based ointment is better than the water-based gel because it doesn't run so much. It's around $13.00 at drugstore.com and at that price it's worth a try:

Lidocaine HCl
35.44GM tube (about an ounce)
5% ointment

You can get it in other countries for a couple of bucks a tube.

Good luck.

p.s. it probably goes without saying but you use it on the same side as your CH

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by forgetfulnot on Dec 20^th, 2004, 8:40pm

on 12/20/04 at 20:31:19, forgetfulnot wrote:

Wast of time..................

Lee

Waste of time

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by Bandette74 on Dec 21^st, 2004, 2:04am

something about sniffing oil-based ointment seems very unpleasant. not nearly as unpleasant as a CH, but still...

ah-well, i'll keep researching. so far so good with the new trex pills. only needed one today...

thanks guys!

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by pubgirl on Dec 21^st, 2004, 6:00am

Bandette

Why not get 02 to use when you get more hits than the Imigran can deal with? Much better than Lidocaine which only seems to help a handful of people.
Better still in my case, I use the 02 for all hits, and the Imigran as back up if the 02 fails. ;;D

Wendy

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by Redd715 on Dec 21^st, 2004, 8:33am

Tried it in drops, still have the bottle in the bathroom. Its just not possible to keep my head held back and to the side, (read: haveing to sit still) to keep the CHit up there to find out if it works at all or not for the attacks, but it sure helps the cuts and scrapes that happen round this place... ;;D

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by Bandette74 on Dec 21^st, 2004, 8:58am

on 12/21/04 at 06:00:53, pubgirl wrote:

yeah, the O₂ is problematic with my lifestyle because i work with psychiatric patients and i'm a full-time student. i also travel a lot as a professional business writer and classical singer when i have "down" time. plus, i've been traveling touring potential law schools for when i graduate. so, trying to do all of this with an oxygen tank nearby would be quite inconvenient. however it is not an option that i have completely ruled out--just one that my neuro and i have put on the back burner for now.

i'm taking the trex pills--frankly i did better with the Relpax pills, so i think i'm going to ask to have the script switched. the neuro tried trex because you physically get more pills per pack, so it's cheaper and will prevent some possible insurance restrictions (which i don't have thankfully--i checked).

the trex injections, while they work great as an abortive on an acute attack, do nothing to prevent. i found that the pill form stays in my system longer than the injections, so they have worked as a preventative for me if i take them when i get strong shadows. yet, the pills don't do a thing for an acute attack.

while it's rare, very rare, for me to get an acute attack while i'm on the trex or relpax pills, it has happened twice in the three weeks i've been suffering with ch. i did go four days without any scripts, and i got up to four acute attacks every day/night. so, it reasonably follows tht the pills work quite well for me.

i'm just looking for something that i can use as an abortive in those rare instances when i do get a hit while on the pills. you're right in that O₂ might work, but the chances of me having it nearby are quite slim even with the smaller tanks. i was hoping to find something a bit more portable :-/

thanks as always for your thoughtfulness... it is something i'm keeping in mind. ;)

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by Marc on Dec 21^st, 2004, 9:04am

For me, Lidocaine is pretty much a waste of effort. I have been successful in stopping a few attacks with a 15% solution, but they always return within minutes. Anything less than 15% had no effect at all.

Just my 2 cents in a world where pennies are worthless…….

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by Bandette74 on Dec 21^st, 2004, 9:07am

on 12/21/04 at 08:33:34, Redd715 wrote:

sometimes i think it'd help if someone just spanked me over the head with a frying pan and knocked my ass out! then i'd just have a silly throbbing lump on my head versus the friggin beast trying to poke my eye out of my head with a flame thrower from inside my brain.

geesh! :P

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by Bandette74 on Dec 21^st, 2004, 9:09am

on 12/21/04 at 09:04:45, Marc wrote:

;) ugh! k. think these answers really tell me all i need to know--LOOK ELSEWHERE for an abortive...

thanks! i'll take those two cents and add them to the rest of the "tips" i get around here. it's all legal tender, my friend.

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by Redrum on Dec 21^st, 2004, 9:20am

My story...I sometimes find it difficult to keep the O2 mask pressed to my face when things get bad so my doctor had a lidocane nasal spray formulated that I use first. The lidocane does nothing for the CH but it does make the O2 mask tolerable and the O2 is a true blessing. I only need to use it when my cycle seems to be getting me up into the kip 8+ range

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by E-Double on Dec 21^st, 2004, 11:58am

As far as O2 tanks being an inconvenience...you can get tanks that are small enough to fit in a back pack.
Ihave several in my car because I am constantly on the road when in between clients....I can also bring them into my clients houses and they are none the wiser.

Not too inconvenient and way more convenient than an attack lasting longer and completely interfering with work and school.

Good Luck

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by lionsound on Dec 21^st, 2004, 12:36pm

on 12/21/04 at 11:58:41, E-Double wrote:

As far as O2 tanks being an inconvenience...you can get tanks that are small enough to fit in a back pack.

What size/# is that?

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by E-Double on Dec 21^st, 2004, 6:17pm

on 12/21/04 at 12:36:39, lionsound wrote:

What size/# is that?

"D" tank

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by pubgirl on Dec 21^st, 2004, 6:32pm

Over here the CD cylinder really is portable, many sufferers carry them around when in cycle, the problem is more commonly getting employers or organisations to accept having a tank of oxygen on the premises because of the "danger".
Most of them seem to find that if they bother asking, their insurance companies are fine with it when assured that it is being stored safely and away from any risk areas.

I take mine almost everywhere when in cycle, but then I travel by car so I just tuck it in the boot (sorry, trunk ;;D)
I know one lady sufferer who takes hers everywhere in a wheeled shopping trolley!

Wendy

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by mynm156 on Dec 22^nd, 2004, 10:08am

I tried it and it made it WORSE!!!!

Good Vibes

MYNM156

Title: Re: Lidocaine???
Post by don on Dec 22^nd, 2004, 10:11am

Like applying a bandaid to a severed limb.