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(Message started by: Chuffy on Dec 18^th, 2004, 4:18pm)

Title: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Dec 18^th, 2004, 4:18pm

Hi there folks.
I am just getting started on my latest Cluster and am determined not to stuff myself full of drugs this time.
So far I have had a couple of lightweight HAs in the night that I have dealt with them with O2 no problem.
I have avoided all other meds. inc Paracetamol.
The last time the more drugs I seemed to take the worse it got, mind you I was on Cafergot and co-Codamol.

My Doctor has now prescribed O2 and Imitrex jabs (I don't want to use the jabs though unless I really have to) and Verapamil is available if the Shrooms don't work. Yes, I actually discussed this with my GP and she was totally cool about it. She said give it a go and if it doesn't work go back for the Verapimil, can't say fairer than that!

Well, I am currently drying out some shrooms and want some advice on dosing before I get started.
I have done trips before so am not worried about the effects of a larger dose, I just want to kill this Cluster before it gets going. Also the best way to preserve them please. I am planning on drying them out then putting them in a glass jar with a sealed lid and some silica gel bags, sound ok?

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Flounder on Dec 18^th, 2004, 4:40pm

Sounds good to me on the storage. Just make sure they are cracker crisp dry before sealing them up. Keep them in a cool dark place.

Are these Cubensis? Do you know what strain they are?

If they are Cubensis, a good place to start is 1.5 grams dried. This has been a very effective dose for me.

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Dec 18^th, 2004, 5:05pm

Yes they are Mexican Cubensis.

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Flounder on Dec 19^th, 2004, 2:52am

Sounds like you are good to go.

Don't do the Trex if at all possible. A small dose of shrooms will stop an attack in the same amount of time a shot of Trex will. IMO.

Let us know how things go!

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by LeeS on Dec 19^th, 2004, 5:16am

All the best with it Chuffy. Fire away with any questions you may have. I borrowed this from 'busters' which works very well for me.

"Lay them out in a pan with a fan for about 48 hours. At that point you will need to move them to a home-made drying chamber consisting of an airtight container (e.g. tupperware, coffee can), some type of wire mesh (one screen suspended about two inches from the bottom and another screen suspended three or four inches above the first) and Damp Rid (or equivalent).

Construct the chamber as outlined above. Place a small cloth on the first screen and pour some Damp Rid onto it. Place the medication (after fanning) on the second screen and seal the container. DO NOT let the medication come into contact with the Damp Rid as it is poisonous.

After a couple of days, all remaining moisture should be sitting at the bottom of your container. Be careful when cleaning the container out as the poison will have leached into the moisture. Wash out and repeat as needed.

Of course this is just a basic chamber and the dimensions/materials can be adjusted as needed."

Good Luck and keep us posted.

-Lee

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Dec 19^th, 2004, 9:35am

Cheers folks, let you know how I get on.

Glad I've got you folks to talk to about this as on the British Ouch site you get shot for even mentioning Shrooms!!

I just don't want to carry on taking potentially harmful Prescribed Drugs when mother nature has the fix all along, let the people know!! :)

Now, what did Bill Hicks used to say about making Nature against the law......... I think what God meant to say................

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Dec 21^st, 2004, 9:01am

Did the Shrooms today, about 1.5 Grams as tea.

Off my noggin for about 3 hours.

When I got bored staring at the wonderful thing I'd never realised my bedroom ceiling was, I ended up watching Cheech and Chongs 'Up in Smoke', what a morning!!

Let you know what happens CH wise.
Funnily enough, I now feel like you do after a really bad HA. Sort of spaced out and the side my HA's are has a strange sensation like a shadow that you'd get post headache.

That was fun though either way. [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Flounder on Dec 22^nd, 2004, 12:01am

Sometimes I get shadowing for a couple days after dosing but that clears up for me. If things start to ramp back up I dose again.

Some people get hit pretty hard for a day or two before things calm down. Getting activity out of the norm or at odd times is a good sign that the Beast has been disrupted and things will get better. Usually by day 5 after the dose you have a good idea of how things worked out.

Luckily for me, most of the time things clear up right away but I might need to dose again the fallowing weekend if I start getting some activity. I can usually break my cycle with three to four doses. Other people it may only take one or two. For Chronics it may take many doses a week apart, then spreading them further and further apart. It's different for everyone.

There's also the sip method to consider as well.

I Hope all goes well for you!

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Dec 22^nd, 2004, 4:16am

Thanks Flounder.
Well, I had a CH (Kip 3-4) in the night which I killed with about 1 minutes O2. Then another one came on this morning which just went away on it's own.

What's slightly confusing the issue is that I also have a mild flu-like virus which was coming on on Monday but the Shrooms hid the symptoms, it's now doing it's thing and giving me a background HA as well.

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by LeeS on Dec 22^nd, 2004, 7:23am

As Flounder says, sounds like things might be working. Day 3 or 4 should give you a good idea if and when you may need a second dose. If things remain quiet, let it be; if attacks start ramping up again, try another dose on say Boxing Day (depending on where you are!).

Hopefully as an episodic you'll only need one or two doses, but don't be surprised if you need a couple more to finallly end this cycle.

All the best with.

-Lee

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Sophie on Dec 22^nd, 2004, 1:53pm

Flounder
I have been all over the clusterbusters and this board, and I keep seeing people refer to "sip method". I can't seem to find that anywhere. Can you or anyone tell me about it or where to find it? I assume we are not talking about a cup of tea over 30 min. or are we???
slow Sophie

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by JJA on Dec 22^nd, 2004, 3:16pm

Sophie

The sip method means using very small doses (usually sub-threshold) once or several times a day instead of one big dose. It's called the sip method because a common way to do this is to prepare shroom tea and take small sips from it over the course of a few days or a week, but the main point is small doses (about 0.2g dry). This way the treatment is more like a traditional medicine (regular doses, no dripping walls, etc).

Some people have also used the "sips" to abort individual headaches while waiting for complete remission to kick in.

Jesse

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Sophie on Dec 22^nd, 2004, 4:17pm

Thanks Jesse---
That helps alot----and makes sence---I'm keeping notes and apreciate all the info I can get. Sophie :)

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Dec 29^th, 2004, 5:16am

Well, hope you all had a good Xmas and just thought I'd give you an update on the shroom treatment.

I actually went to the pub on Christmas Day lunchtime and continued drinking (purely on experimental grounds of course ;)) for the rest of the day.
Had a kip 3 about midnight which went without O2.

Since then I have just had shadowing and one HA that needed O2 to shift but still only a Kip 3 and it went after 2 mins on the O2. Nothing waking me at night and any pain has been after drinking.

I am going to do another shroom dose later today as I'm sure that will finish the job.

This is truly amazing!!

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by LeeS on Dec 29^th, 2004, 9:31am

Great news Chuffy. All the best for today - but don't over do dosing.

Here's to a PF New Year too.

-Lee

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Renee on Dec 29^th, 2004, 9:15pm

Happy New Year Chuffy! ;;D

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by manana on Dec 30^th, 2004, 4:22am

You brits have all the luck. Hey, if you can get someone to import your brand of tea to the U.S. I will try my best to prevent a repeat of the type of party they had in Boston back in the 1700's. [Grin] Glad to hear the treatment is working! T

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Jan 7^th, 2005, 11:24am

Happy New Year y'all :)

Did the 2nd 1.5 gram dose last week (girlfriend joined in this time) and we got through about 5 Beatles albums, magic stuff.
Seems to have knocked the CH into touch though.
Just a bit of shadowing since and just in case, I have done the sip method (.2g) before bedtime and slept like a baby. Off on holiday on Sunday so hopefully all will be well.
Don't know if this is normal but the only sign of CH I have had in the last week is after doing a 'sip'.

Anyway, thanks for all your help and advice.

Cheers
Rob

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by BobG on Jan 7^th, 2005, 8:00pm

Hey Rob................noticed by your profile that today is

YOUR BIRTHDAY!

Have a happy one.

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by vig on Jan 7^th, 2005, 9:07pm

Happy 40th!!!!

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by LeeS on Jan 8^th, 2005, 7:55am

on 01/07/05 at 11:24:33, Chuffy wrote:

Don't know if this is normal but the only sign of CH I have had in the last week is after doing a 'sip'.

Has happened to me too; think it's the psilo rattling the beast's cage a bit, although I have manged to kill shadows with the sip method too.

Happy birthday Chuffy, and have a good holiday.

-Lee

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Jan 17^th, 2005, 4:44pm

Thanks for the birthday wishes folks. :)
Just got back from holiday and still PF. Had a shadow one night that two cans of Red Bull killed and that was it.

Anyway, thought y'all might like to see this:

http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.html?PV=6.0.12&&title=hicks%5Fmush%5Fbg&link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sacredcow.com%2Fmedia%2Flinks%2Fhicks%2Fhicks%5Fmush%5Fbg.ram

Cheers for now.
Rob.

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by miapet on Jan 18^th, 2005, 9:26am

Congratulations!
*positive light and energy*
D & miapet

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Feb 12^th, 2005, 10:06am

Hi y'all.
My cycle has finished now and it was a complete doddle compared to what I have suffered for the last 25 years!

All thanks to the shrooms and O2. :)

After the initial 1.5 gram doses I found that a .2g cup of tea in the morning and evening kept all attacks at bay.
If I missed a dose I would get shadowing but nothing that couldn't be dealt with and any HAs never really hit KIP4.

Thanks to everyone here and at Clusterbusters for helping change my life.

Cheers
Rob

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Pinkfloyd on Feb 12^th, 2005, 11:23am

on 02/12/05 at 10:06:34, Chuffy wrote:

Hi y'all.
My cycle has finished now and it was a complete doddle compared to what I have suffered for the last 25 years!

Happy to doddle your cycle ;;D

Bobw

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by miapet on Feb 14^th, 2005, 10:34am

*YAY* and *happy dance*

hehe . .love that word 'doddle' . . .i gotta start using it *L*

*Positive light and energy*
miapet

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Feb 17^th, 2005, 3:27pm

Well as usual I spoke to soon. :'(
Went a week PF and now the beast appears to be back.
No big deal and the .2g cups of tea are keeping it at bay.

My only worry is that this is now the longest cycle since I have kept a diary (about 6 years) and I'm worried that the shrooms are prolonging it.

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by vig on Feb 17^th, 2005, 3:36pm

I haven't seen anyone yet say they lengthen a cycle.
I hope you find more relief.

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by miapet on Feb 18^th, 2005, 3:45pm

Chuffy . . . I don't think it's time to worry. When D first used the treatment, his first 2 doses had the beast all over the map . . . .kind of like it's last ditch efforts to hang on to his head! He didn't use the sipping method, only o2, and gave time for things to settle down (thanks to the advice of our wonderful busters!), and it worked. I was really anxious and wanted to dose again . . .I was also very superstitious about mentioning p/f time. . . and I was scared that I had made things worse . . .all of my fears were laid to rest . .. . and we're now moving closer to our 40th week of being p/f . . .. hang in there, you're doing great!
*positive light and energy*
miapet

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Feb 20^th, 2005, 2:10pm

Thanks for the encouragement.

It might have been a one off recurrence as I seem to PF again now.

We shall see.

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by miapet on Feb 21^st, 2005, 2:40pm

*YAY* *happy dance* and all other good stuff!!!
*positive light and energy*
miapet

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by MarnyandMichael on Feb 25^th, 2005, 11:56am

Please consider me a complete ignoramus here and I will not be offended but............considering that I really have had no exposure to any kind of hallucinagen illegal or legal...wait..strike that...laughing gas when I was a kid for a tooth filling...does that count? lol Anyhow, my fiance is a chronic sufferer....the imitrex works to stop the pain but not the cycle, and from the reading I've done, my understanding is the shrooms help to *break* the cycle?

I've looked on the website that deals with dosing etc etc....and taking into consideration I have main idea dyslexia (yes - its a real affliction - lol) I could not make sense of what he should take, when should he take it and how much.......Please help me...someone please explain it in layman's terms....Michael needs help....and if this is the only way I can help him....then I will do it.

Marny

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by JJA on Feb 25^th, 2005, 1:05pm

Marny,
I would guess he would probably have to take 0.5 - 1gram (dried shrooms) every 2 - 4 weeks to stay painfree. Initially breaking the cycle would probably take a few doses with about 5 days between each dose (he'll have to lay off the immitrex). Trial and error will give the best answers to your questions.

Oh, and no way does laughing gas count [smiley=laugh.gif].

Jesse

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Chuffy on Feb 26^th, 2005, 8:49am

I think you are right folks.
Ignored the shadows and low kips instead of 'panic sipping' and I am now still PF. ;;D

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Sophie on Feb 26^th, 2005, 2:03pm

It's too early for me to be reporting, because I am not in cycle right now. I saw this thread this AM and wanted to at least post my progress. I'm a terrible farmer, but I have managed to get a few grams harvested. Last night I wanted to check out the experiance and potency of what I have, so I did a cup of tea with 1.5 grams. I had a pleasent 2 hours and know what to expect when I need it. When the real thing hits this spring I will post properly. Just wanted you to know I am in agreement with no more R/X drugs (for me).
Sophie :)

Title: Re: Shroom advice please?
Post by Pinkfloyd on Feb 26^th, 2005, 2:13pm

Glad to hear it Chuffy..

Marny,
I'd suggest that you have your fiance read the FAQ that is linked from the clusterbuster's home page. There is quite a bit of information there that is very important, besides dose size and timing.
Jesse was correct (BTW, thank you very much Jesse for all the help you've been for people on the boards here).

I would suggest the following, especially since he is a chronic sufferer. Have enough on hand before you start the process to use at least 4 doses and maybe 5, just in case. Nothing I hate more than seeing people making progress and then run out, one dose short of completely breaking the cycle. (it happened to me once and it sucks) So, I'd suggest having at least 6 or 8g dried on hand. Two doses may end up being enough but there are many factors that seem to weigh into the equation.
Best way to insure you have enough is to grow them. There are instructions on the site. Its the safest way to insure you not only have enough for this time, but future doses. Also you'll be sure of what you have.

If you have any questions after reading through the FAQ, either post specific questions here or in email to me.

Bobw