Isn't it great to be a Liberal. You want all the energy but you don't want to pay for it, you want all the great toys in your home, like big screen tv's and air conditioning and refridgerators and stoves. But as a good Liberal you don't want to pay for the energy to pay for them. Liberals want to spread this lie about Global Warming, and seas rising, and getting our Carbon footprint reduced. But what the Liberals won't tell you is, reduced Carbon footprint means lost industry. Switching over to solar panels is the biggest hoax on the public, just unbelievable. What worse though is you the common people listening to this pile of bullcrap and not questioning your area elected members of government who are joining into these Liberal plans energy management. You are going to pay through the teeth for you home electricity bills, and your home heating bills if you do not start questioning the Liberals domestic energy plans. As you dump coal fired plants from the mix your affordable base power provider is going to be lost and the balance of electricity generated has to be made up from other forms of power generation, that being natural gas fired power plants or nuclear generation. Being that the natural gas fired plants are now going to over burden the gas supply grid the demand will substantially rise as well as the cost per cubic foot of natural gas to the consumer. So as your home electricity bill rises so will your natural gas home heating bill price will rise because of demand on that supply system. It was estimated that by dumping your coal fired plants from the grid will result in an low estimated rise of 70% on your home electricity bill, that being said you should also estimate another equally substantial rise in your home natural gas heating bill.
So people, what do you want? Affordable electricity, and keep your jobs, or do you want super clean air with no factories, big screen tv's that you cannot afford to turn on.
JfK once said, he would put a chicken in every pot, what I'm saying is Obama is going to put only one 30 watt bulb in every house.

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Is he wrong, is he right?....You decide!

wrote on Jul 16^th, 2008 at 7:03pm:

JfK once said, he would put a chicken in every pot,

Well, he's wrong about that at least...
FDR said that, not JFK.   ::)

nani wrote on Jul 16^th, 2008 at 7:12pm:

wrote on Jul 16th, 2008 at 7:03pm: JfK once said, he would put a chicken in every pot, Well, he's wrong about that at least... FDR said that, not JFK.   ::)

I took as a joke, but hey im not the brightest BULB in the batch.....LOL  ;D

Oh goody - at last.... a political argument -- now which side do I want to take???? Decisions, decisions, decisions...... :)  Come on Charlie -- help me out here.....

Hugs BD

I believe the chicken in every pot was a Tricky Dick comment.   ;)  FDR may have said it too.

-P.

Sod the bloody chicken - who put the lime in the coconut? They're my hero!  :P

wrote on Jul 16^th, 2008 at 7:55pm:

Sod the bloody chicken - who put the lime in the coconut? They're my hero!  :P

Harry Belafonte.

Well, so far no one can agrue with a Canadian......to bad we dont have the same balls!

Is it that other folks see what we dont or are we so fat that we dont give a fuck until its to late?

wrote on Jul 16^th, 2008 at 7:55pm:

Sod the bloody chicken - who put the lime in the coconut? They're my hero!  :P

Helen, that would be Harry Nilsson.  

Coconut (song)
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Coconut is a calypso written and first recorded by Harry Nilsson.

The third single from his 1971 album, Nilsson Schmilsson, it reached #8 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100, and it features three distinct characters (the narrator, the sister, and the doctor) all sung in different voices by Nilsson. The song is perhaps best remembered for its chorus lyric, "Put the lime in the coconut, and drink 'em both up."

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Later that year, Nilsson went to England with producer Richard Perry to record what became the most successful album of his career. Nilsson Schmilsson yielded three very stylistically different hit singles. The first was a cover of Badfinger's song "Without You" (by Pete Ham and Tom Evans), featuring a highly emotional arrangement and soaring vocals to match, a performance that was rewarded with Nilsson's second Grammy Award.[13]

The second single was "Coconut", a novelty calypso number featuring three characters (the narrator, the sister, and the doctor) all sung in different voices by Nilsson. The song is best remembered for its chorus lyric, "Put de lime in de coconut, and drink 'em both up." Also notable is that the entire song is played using one chord, C 7th. Coconut was featured in Episode 81 (October 25, 1973) of the Flip Wilson Show. The song has since been featured in many other films, commercials. It was also used in a comedy skit on The Muppet Show, which featured Kermit the Frog in a hospital bed. In the 1995 movie "Houseguest", Sinbad's character (Kevin Franklin) says the famous line from the chorus ("Put de lime in the coconut, and drink 'em both up.") at one point in the movie. Most recently it has been heard in a television commercial for Coca-Cola with Lime. The song was also used during the end credits of Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs.

"A chicken in every pot" was one of Huey Long's famous campaign pledges.

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Charlie

LMAO... we're all wrong... I just looked it up.

Not JFK, FDR, Tricky "I am not a thief" Dick, or Huey Long.

It was Herbert Hoover, during the 1928 campaign.

nani wrote on Jul 17^th, 2008 at 12:33am:

It was Herbert Hoover, during the 1928 campaign.

Ding, ding, ding.   Right you are.


"A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage".


Times were still good in '28, seemingly.

wrote on Jul 16^th, 2008 at 7:03pm:

Is he wrong, is he right?....You decide!

Might ask a UK'er, they've been transitioning from coal to gas for years.


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In order to take advantage of its domestic reserves, the UK government has encouraged the use of natural gas, including its substitution for coal and oil in industrial consumption and electricity production.    

...the percentage of total energy consumption sourced from natural gas in the UK has increased from 20 percent in 1980 to 34 percent in 2003.

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The country is the fourth-largest producer of natural gas in the world, behind Russia, the United States, and Canada.

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We seem pretty rich in gas.



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...reduced Carbon footprint means lost industry.

So, like the slogan, this doesn't seem exactly true either.

So whoever said the car in the garage was right-on -- It HAS to stay in the garage cause it's too 'spensive to DRIVE it these days and the chicken has to stay in the yard till we gets REALLY hungry -- beans in the pot....

But at least no one has muttered "No New Taxes" (yet) -- we all know what happened on that one :) (instant new taxes for those too young to remember King George I).

fossile fuels, natural gas, drilling off shore, endangered tse flies, -- my poor brain is just a spinning with all this techiical stuff.... what's good - what's bad? Global warming??? It's just hot in Texas - did I do something wrong? Do I want change - do I want experience? I'm just so confused right now....  :-/ :-/ :-/

Hugs BD

BarbaraD wrote on Jul 17^th, 2008 at 8:36am:

But at least no one has muttered "No New Taxes" (yet) -- we all know what happened on that one :)

Hoov's slogan was a lead zepplin too with the depression following, but it was more appetizing than William McKinley's "a full dinner pail".  Leftovers go in the lunch bucket I guess.  





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- did I do something wrong?

You've been around Chuck lately.   No, not wrong, just... contagious, and he's probably got your cooties now, too.  

wrote on Jul 16^th, 2008 at 7:03pm:

Is he wrong, is he right?....You decide!

Wrong? Right? Not sure yet. Do you have a source for this so I can dig a little deeper?

He most certainly has some problems with grammar.

Kevin,

I thought it was "Know new taxes" :D

Jimmers

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.......getting our Carbon footprint reduced. But what the Liberals won't tell you is, reduced Carbon footprint means lost industry.

Take a stroll through Bejing, Sechuan, Guangdong or any of the other industrialized provinces in China and then compare those to modern industrialized cities in Europe or the U.S. The answer is obvious.


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Switching over to solar panels is the biggest hoax on the public, just unbelievable

Solar and wind power is being heavily invested in by the likes of Warren Buffett. With a net worth of over 46 billion and a pretty good record of investing I bet he thinks it's a pretty good thing.

I'm seriously looking into solar or wind myself.  Jesse is onboard with me too, but we're seeing which works better for our situation/budget.  Some of his family looks at me like I'm weird when I mention it to them.  They're quite old fashioned out here unfortunately...

Anyway, looks like we'll be getting an outdoor boiler first.  

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With a net worth of over 46 billion and a pretty good record of investing I bet he thinks it's a pretty good thing.

It doesn't mean that at all. It means that he thinks he can make a pretty tidy profit from it. Two very different things.

wrote on Jul 17^th, 2008 at 11:35am:

I thought it was "Know new taxes" :D

And if you "Read my lips", that's what it says!    


Good one, Jimmers       ;)



   

Man, that picture of Pelosi is HOT!!!
thebb ;)

Brew,
If the guy thinks he can make a buck off it then he thinks it will be a good thing. Being a good thing means it will earn money and you can't earn money unless people buy your product(electricity)
If he can make a buck and the U.S. is less relaint on oil then that is a good thing.
A cleaner environment is just a by product but one I sure don't have a problem with.

Mel,

If your looking at solar or wind, call me. My company does a lot of that.

Jimmers

karma wrote on Jul 17^th, 2008 at 12:46pm:

Brew, If the guy thinks he can make a buck off it then he thinks it will be a good thing. Being a good thing means it will earn money and you can't earn money unless people buy your product(electricity) If he can make a buck and the U.S. is less relaint on oil then that is a good thing. A cleaner environment is just a by product but one I sure don't have a problem with.

Many a snarky businessman has made a buck via less than honorable intentions.

All I'm saying is that just because he's invested in it doesn't mean his intentions are all that pure.

never said they were

Whatever. Not interested in getting into a pissing contest over semantics.

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Solar and wind power is being heavily invested in by the likes of Warren Buffett. With a net worth of over 46 billion and a pretty good record of investing I bet he thinks it's a pretty good thing.

I'm with you. Warren Buffet is my guy. He said that there was no money in ethanol. So far he got that right. I too heard him talk about wind, solar and other stuff. If he's into it, it's a good deal.

It's going to be an interesting thing watching tons of money made on new enegy. No matter your politics, it's on the way.

At a K-Mart parking lot, I spent some time talking to a guy with a Prius. He gets 52 miles to the gallon driving in my pretty hilly part of the country. How much are these things? 45-50 thousand?

Charlie

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Warren Buffet is my guy. He said that there was no money in ethanol. So far he got that right.

'Scuse me? No money in ethanol? Farmers are paid by the feds to grow corn, and ethanol producers are paid 50 cents a gallon by the feds on top of what they get on the open market.

You are right to a certain extent - there's no money in it for you or me.

I'm sure that Warren Buffet's idea of agood investment is on a different plane than ours.

Charlie

Well, if we can get the environmentalists to see what a f'd up idea ethanol really is, Mr. Buffet will have been right.

Until then, we get bent over the barrel.

Wind turbines are used successfully in Germany to generate electricity.
Sandra

WInd has the energy density to be viable for a power source.  Solar is fine for niche applications but due to the high cost per KWH is not yet suitable for large scale.  

What an investor needs to do is what Ford did for the auto.  Build the wind turbins in mass production to get the cost down and the government needs to assure that there will be locations for these turbins to be erected.  The NIMBY and tree hugging bunnymen will be the Achillies (sp) heel for any new large scale energy supply.

My feeling is there is pleanty of resources on this earth; we just have to many humans ;D

To bad they coulden't just drill a deep geothermal well and use the heat to pump down our garbage and turn it to oil ;)

-P.

I like Canada!  Two years ago I had an auto accident there and was taken to a hospital emergency room.  I wasn't charged anything at the time but later received a bill in Germany, which I paid and then I received a "Thank you" note from the doctor!
Sandra :)

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I pay a little less per KWH using wind generated power, a choice my electric company gives me.

Being in the Sunbelt, solar, through PV panels is really cheap. The panels, unfortunately, are not cheap. I believe my electric company is starting a large scale solar project soon, but I have no details.

Paul, I like your garbage idea, LOL. If only...

I think the key to this is learning to harness and use what we have available... not producing things as new energy sources.

Solar, wind, geothermal ... we've got plenty of that. And they don't run out.

You put two oilmen in charge and oil becomes something expensive. Whodda thunk?

Charlie

interesting post jonny.

any of these muppets who decide what our energy policy is going to be has never had a blue collar job in there lives. using solar and wind to power our homes is a great idea but lets face it, thats not going to get popular until big business can fill the gap of money thats going to be lost from selling you fossil fuels. the same people who would profit from this technology are the same people that pay for the fuel in al gores jet to fly around the country to tell us about an inconvenient truth.  

ethanol and biodiesel is a joke. the amount of pollution that it takes to produce these fuels is more than if you just burn gasoline. it costs more and it's not as efficient.

if you can"t burn coal that puts alot of truck drivers and coal minors out of a job. not to mention steel mill workers. i guess we could push all this non clean manufacturing and industry down to mexico were they have no epa. the liberals have a great idea for keeping the environment clean. in the long run, mr. and mrs. truck driver, mr. and mrs. coal minor, and mr. and mrs steel working won't have a job and won't be able to buy gasoline and pay for electricity however its produced.

and another thing. hows come none of these guys are addressing all this cheep plastic garbage from china that poisoning our children. after all isn't china a communist country?

heres a guy who can straighten shit out

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-johnny- wrote on Jul 19^th, 2008 at 5:59pm:

hows come none of these guys are addressing

"These guys" dont give a fuck, we pay for everything they have....they dont pay shit!. They dont feel the fucking crunch, so its the "who gives a fuck attitude!"

Do you think Ted Kennedy gives a rats ass how much gas costs?......Hell no, he has all his money in off shore accounts so he does not have to pay US taxes!

All these fucking scumbags are doing this while the poor get poorer and they get richer with our tax payments to their paychecks!

What we need is for a president to say that all these hacks have to pay their own bills, no more on the fucking Dole......maybe thats when they will get their heads out of their asses and do something for this country!....Seeing that they will have to PAY just like WE do!

liberals make me wanna puke!!!! these are the same jerks who think its fine to abort a human baby, but "oh my God, dont kill that spotted owl"!!   And as far as the price of oil, THIS IS AMERICA, EVERY BUISNESS IS IN BUISNESS TO MAKE MONEY!!!! PERIOD. doesnt matter if you make gas, or dildos, you do it to make a profit! Yea. i work in a refinery, and NO i dont get a gas discount !,   I am just "joe average" but as i have said on here before, there is PLENTY of oil RIGHT HERE IN THE GOOD OLD USA. its no secret, hell, do you have any idea how many oil wells were capped in this country by the government in the 40's to keep prices and the economy strong???? thousands!!!!!   Ok Jonny, you got me started , now I am going off on a rant!!!!! personally I think its time we take a big old grinder to that plaque on the statue of liberty! sorry folks , NO VACANCY, we are full up. there was a time when we we needed you, now we are full!!!! check the history books folks, Hoover, during the depression deported hundreds of thousand illegals back to mexico so americans could have jobbs, in the 50"s Ike did it too, is was executive order "operation wetback". one point three million mexicans BACK to mexico to preserve jobs and keep the economy strong. oh hell I could go on all day!!!!!!!!!!!!

tuck - You gotta stop holding it inside, man. It's gonna eat you up! C'mon, tell us how you really feel.

He's just saying that we're a Banana republic:

"Build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything"

Charlie

the last canadian that said anything worth listening too regarding the u.s. (still true today)

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Your right Brew, I gotta let this out!!!!! libs, ah yes the libs,,, now, I work at a job, make pretty good cash, and the gov TAXES the $hit out of me, now, I HAVE to pass a drug test to get this job, and I HAVE to pass random tests to KEEP this job. now the government takes a BIG chunk of my taxes to pay for unemployment benefits , soooo, here is the question,, do these "unemployed" have to pass a drug test to pick up their "free" check?!?!?!?!!? I bet if they did there would be ALOT less unemployed!!!!!!!     Tuck

Tuck, my child, I think you've hit on a great solution to the whole problem of unemployment and welfare aide..... it's so damn simple (too simple for our "leaders'" minds) DRUG tests before checks!!!

Of course, I've gotten in trouble on here before by saying that some of these "welfare" receiptants are selling their foodstamps to buy drugs (that's illegal - duh). But if they were drug tested BEFORE they were given the foodstamps and NOT given them - then there wouldn't be any foodstamps to SELL - problem solved -- but that would be just too darn simple.... (and my grocery bill would go up!!)

Oh well -- back to the voting booths -- get rid of incumbents and get some NEW faces in DC.....

Hugs BD

tuck wrote on Jul 19^th, 2008 at 10:43pm:

the government takes a BIG chunk of my taxes to pay for unemployment benefits, ...

"my" can be construed as from your paycheck.

FUTA and SUTA are paid soley by an employer, not employees.  FUTA yearly max to an employer is generally $56.00 per employee with SUTA payment credit.  SUTA can vary depending on how many employees are laid off by a particular company, many permanent.
 For instance, due to the high price of fuel, operating costs for airlines have soared resulting in heavy labor cuts and letting employees go due to outsourcing of jobs, they pay higher SUTA rate.  The auto industry pays a higher SUTA due to higher fuel costs for consumers leading to drastic sales declines closing operations and lost jobs.  Unlikely the oil industry pays these rates right now.
 Finding new jobs in these environments can take time when a state's unemployment rate is about 8.5% through no fault of their own.  In this city, with the foreclosure rate this year at 11.3 per 1000 residential parcels (and noticeably empty business buildings), without something to sustain while job hunting it would be higher, involving more taxpayer money yet for loan bailouts and public services.


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...do these "unemployed" have to pass a drug test...  I bet if they did there would be ALOT less unemployed!!!!!!!

If a person was unemployed due to drug use, I'd hate to be them trying to collect benefits.  A general rule of collecting is through no fault of their own.
 

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Kev, I don't think he was talking about the 8.5% -- I think he was talking about the deadbeats (at least that's where I was coming from -- the ones that work the "minimum" time then apply for unemployment - you know those kind - the employers "nightmare!" ie., I had a guy quit after a few weeks cause I told him to empty his trash can - I empty MINE - but he got beligerent cause "HE wasn't the damn maid (I didn't have a damn maid!)" - took me weeks to fight that claim!).

Hugs BD

I lived in Houston during '84-86 when the price of oil dropped from about $32 a barrel to $15.  A huge number of lost jobs and homes in the oil industry.  Not many complaints about available unemployment benefits at the time.

[quote]Houston, TX

Unemployment and the local economy reached depression levels by 1985.

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tuck wrote on Jul 19^th, 2008 at 10:43pm:

here is the question,, do these "unemployed" have to pass a drug test to pick up their "free" check?!?!?!?!!? I bet if they did there would be ALOT less unemployed!!!!!!!     Tuck

heres a better idea. how about we do away with drug testing all together. hardly seems fare for somebody to lose their job for something they did in their own  personal time. what you do off the clock is your business not your employers or even the government for that matter.

-johnny- wrote on Jul 20^th, 2008 at 12:31pm:

tuck wrote on Jul 19th, 2008 at 10:43pm: here is the question,, do these "unemployed" have to pass a drug test to pick up their "free" check?!?!?!?!!? I bet if they did there would be ALOT less unemployed!!!!!!!     Tuck heres a better idea. how about we do away with drug testing all together. hardly seems fare for somebody to lose their job for something they did in their own  personal time. what you do off the clock is your business not your employers or even the government for that matter.

Unless you were still under the influence when reporting to work. Even though the deed was done off the clock, there are jobs where you cannot be under the influence when reporting to work.

wrote on Jul 16^th, 2008 at 7:55pm:

Sod the bloody chicken - who put the lime in the coconut? They're my hero!  :P

I think it was Nillson, Helen.

You know...you put the lime in the coconut & shake it all up  :D

Good one today... that the crimes that created our current mess by friendly bankers can be summed up in the repeal of most of the U. S. Usury laws over time. The Bible, Koran, and Jewish doctrine all make it clear that ursury is an evil.  

What a sweet deal monster sib-prime lenders have: Get in big trouble? Call in the evil government regulators to plaster over their mess. Nothing like the Fed so long as it plays on the winning team. Who is the Fed? All of us that don't get much out of it whose taxes pay for these poor innocents folly.

Unfettered capitalism is a great thing if you don't have to worry about consequences....thanks to all those evil regulators. It's no puzzlement.

Charlie

Well leave it to a Texan to cut right thru the BS -- (ie, Phil Graham) - the economy is great if you're a miltibillionaire -- if not  -let them eat cake!!!!

Hugs BD

  In Warren Buffet's opinion. Personal Computers would never catch on. The Internet was a passing fad. And nobody would be foolish enough to buy the shoddy bug ridden software put out by the Microsoft Corp. And William Gates would be bankrupt as soon as IBM stopped production of the PC Jr.
   So I wouldn't take his stand on wind energy as gospel. It would take a wind farm the size of Oklahoma, plus a solar array twice the size of Kansas to even come close to our energy needs. But there sure are a lot of people lined up to buy the hardware regardless. So he's right. There's a few bussels of dollers to be made there.
  So far, economically, improving our Coal fired plants looks like the best bet. For the next couple of decades anyway. Atleast until our erstwhile American engenunity (sic) comes up with something better. IMHO
Methane Hydrate anyone?
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This initiative from an oilman.
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IMHO there won't be a single magic source but instead each area of the country will depend more heavily on the source that is most economical.

Now that i think about it, why limit it to unemployment?? how bout food stamps, state aid, ALL the freebies. MANDATORY DRUG TESTING. There isnt a decent job out there that doesnt require testing, why should the "downtrodden of society" be any different? Oh, I forgot, government jobs dont test, that would be an invasion of privacy. (its a fact, my brother has a gov. job)  its sad,, I can come home in the evening, drink a bottle a jack daniels, TOTALLY ignore my family,(or slap them around whichever most drunks prefer) and "your fine son, you can come work here". but,,,  sit on the couch, smoke a little weed with your wife while watching a little monday night football and,,,,,, FREAK, CRIMINAL,,,,,, YOU ARE FIRED!!!!!!!    Anyone know anybody that got high and beat up their wife, or got high and crashed his car and killed a bunch of people. Personally, i think the wrong vice is legalised, and testing is a joke, test everyone , or test NO ONE. Hell , if the gov, could figure a way to tax weed, it would have been legal years ago. Most people just wont bother with the hassle to make their own beer, but damn near anyone can grow a weed. By the way, I once read that in East St. Louis, 75% of ALL food stamps were illegally sold and the cash used to buy booze and drugs, mainly crack.  Way to go libs, keep up the handouts!!!!!

Then most, if not all, of the unemployed could get jobs as drug testers.

The fox watching the hen house.

wrote on Jul 21^st, 2008 at 11:35am:

Then most, if not all, of the unemployed could get jobs as drug testers. The fox watching the hen house.

Now that's funny....

Hugs BD