This disgusts me. And they wonder why no one buys their papers any more. I find these guys as repulsive as I do the Kansas church that celebrates every soldiers death. And that is exactly what this article is...a celebration. Any subscribers out there? Shame on them!

4,000 U.S. Deaths, and Just a Handful of Public Images
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NYT Complaint: Not Enough Photos Of Mutilated American Soldiers in This War

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The New York Times is miffed. They aren't happy that there has been a dearth of news photos showing dead American soldiers in the war in Iraq. The Times is lamenting that there have been "4,000 U.S. Combat Deaths, and Just a Handful of Images," so more carnage and death is their druthers. Well, more American dead, anyway. They aren't interested in the dead of the enemy, to be sure

SCUMBAGS!!!!  >:(

And as long as people continue to pay for their birdcage liner, the editors will continue to enjoy their view of the world from their ivory tower.

I don't pay a plug nickel for any newspaper anywhere anymore. And television news is just as bad. What a load of crappy-crap-crap.

Screw 'em. Stop buying their nonsense and let 'em all find real jobs.

Not my taste of course but true. I agree that there should be more thought about printing this kind of thing. The only thing worse would be to censor the images. It should be up to the paper, not government........Paper is taking a beating over it. That's the way it should be.

This kind of thing started with the Civil War. Brady and several others were berated for scaring the crap out of people with the images. Almost no one until then had seen real photos of war and their photos took the glamor out of it.

Charlie

Maybe it's not in the "best" of taste (I personally don't think faces or names should be public - for the family's sake) but it might take something like this to bring home to the people here just what is actually going on over there.

The grim reality is -- our "kids" are being slaughtered and for what? To make US safe? How? We'd be better off to secure OUR borders and keep illegals OUT! Improving our Immigration would be a BIG start.. Keep the damn terrorists OUT of our country!

No, we haven't had an attack since 9-11 BUT how many did we have before then? And where was all this "intelligence" we're supposed to have -- didn't "they" see it coming -- we're supposed to the best equipped country for intelligence gathering, yet we can't keep up with people in this country who are here illegally.

I may not like the way the NYT reported this, but I'll fight for their right to do it. We've had too many "freedoms" taken away from us already by this regime...

Hugs BD

Tthe 4000 deaths cited are not all within the Iraqi theatre of war.  That number also includes those killed in accidents, killed in training mishaps in the US, and those who die of natural causes while in the armed services.

How many attacks did we have before 9/11?  During the Clinton administration we had 9 throughout the world, including two on our Embassies and one on the World Trade Center.

We have lost more people in the city of Chicago to homicide this year than we have lost in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  Should we pull the US out of Chicago???

Jerry

Here's the big irony: Every one of those 4,000+ brave men and women gave their lives so that the a-hole editors of the NYT and other rags can continue to spew forth.

Charlie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 5:12pm:

Not my taste of course but true. I agree that there should be more thought about printing this kind of thing. The only thing worse would be to censor the images. It should be up to the paper, not government........Paper is taking a beating over it. That's the way it should be. This kind of thing started with the Civil War. Brady and several others were berated for scaring the crap out of people with the images. Almost no one until then had seen real photos of war and their photos took the glamor out of it. Charlie

I agree, Sir Charles. But..... Brady, O'Sullivan and Gardner didn't have the kind of instant access to the masses that the media now enjoys. That is a key point when looking at history - then vs. now.
The responsibility is exponentially greater today, yet is being abused more than ever in history.

Callico wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 10:22pm:

Tthe 4000 deaths cited are not all within the Iraqi theatre of war.  That number also includes those killed in accidents, killed in training mishaps in the US, and those who die of natural causes while in the armed services. I think those 4000 were the ones killed in Iraq since the WAR started. I could be wrong but think my facts are right on this one. How many attacks did we have before 9/11?  During the Clinton administration we had 9 throughout the world, including two on our Embassies and one on the World Trade Center. Yes, you're right on this one. But we did catch some of the culprits and tried them. We didn't go to war with a country that had nothing to do with these bombings. We also didn't secure OUR borders like we should have done. We have lost more people in the city of Chicago to homicide this year than we have lost in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  Should we pull the US out of Chicago??? Now ya got me on this one. Are you saying we should declare war on Chicago? Send in bombs and level it? D.C. has the highest murder rate in the country -- now I'm all for leveling it and  :) but I don't think that would pass Congress... Jerry

Mat wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 1:08pm:

This disgusts me. And they wonder why no one buys their papers any more. I find these guys as repulsive as I do the Kansas church that celebrates every soldiers death.

huh!!! what church is this!!!!  >:( doesn't sound very christian like. next time i'm in kansas i'll do a u turn in their parking lot and chuck out a few trucker bombs in their lawn!

george carlin after the golf war that the war said "the war got good ratings" let's face it media companies are in the money making business not the news business. :(

-johnny- wrote on Jul 27^th, 2008 at 9:54am:

huh!!! what church is this!!!!  >:( doesn't sound very christian like. next time i'm in kansas i'll do a u turn in their parking lot and chuck out a few trucker bombs in their lawn!

I believe that would be the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, KS. Fred Phelps, pastor.

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Now, he said the situation is nuanced and unpredictable. Generally, he said, the access reporters get "very much depends on the local commander." ...sections 14 (h) and (o) of the embed rules, which state that no information can be published without approval, including material about "any tactics, techniques and procedures witnessed during operations," or that "provides information on the effectiveness of enemy techniques." ...a catch-all phrase which could be applied to just about anything a journalist does," Increasingly, photographers say the military allows them to embed but keeps them away from combat. Franco Pagetti of the VII Photo Agency said he had been repeatedly thwarted by the military when he tried to get to the front lines.    In April 2008, Mr. Pagetti tried to cover heavy fighting in Baghdad's Sadr City. "The commander there refused to let me in," Mr. Pagetti said. "He said it was unsafe. I know it's unsafe, there's a war going on. It was unsafe when I got to Iraq in 2003, but the military did not stop us from working. Now, they are stopping us from working." James Lee, a former marine who returned to Iraq as a photographer, was embedded with marines in the spring of 2008 as they headed into battle in the southern port city of Basra in support of Iraqi forces.    "We were within hours of Basra when they told me I had to go back. I was told that General Kelly did not want any Western eyes down there," he said, referring to the same Marine general who barred Mr. Miller. Military officials stressed that the embed regulations provided only a framework. "There is leeway for commanders to make judgment calls, which is part of what commanders do," said Col. Steve Boylan, the public affairs officer for Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq.

Concerning this issue compared to Civil War times, Grant said, "The distant rear of an army engaged in battle is not the best place from which to judge correctly what is going on at the front."
 At Pittsburg Landing, even respectable journals like Harper's reported wildly inaccurate accounts of the battle as seen from the safety of the river.  
 Irresponsible journalism from the distance described Grant as being surprised by Confederates because of his carelessness and lack of military training, a red herring.  Being surprised in matters military include Wellington not expecting Napoleon to attack, June 1815.  Grant had disposed his forces well so they could deal with whatever developed resulting in a substantial victory. Similar reporting of accounts came from Shiloh, another Union victory of his.  It took years for history to clear up the mess from distant reporting.  In a first battle of the Civil War, people dressed in their Sunday best and arrived in carriages with picnic lunches to watch, only to be horrified by the reality exposed to them.

I've seen enough pictorial books and documentaries of WWI and WWII to forever fill any appetite for the brutality of war and personally don't need them on any front page as a reminder.  
 
Had there been a reporter alongside the sonar screen in the Gulf of Tonkin to say what actually happened, it would probably have been suppressed or denied anyway, the roots for involvement were already well established.

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Now ya got me on this one. Are you saying we should declare war on Chicago? Send in bombs and level it? D.C. has the highest murder rate in the country -- now I'm all for leveling it and   but I don't think that would pass Congress...

Actually it's Detroit with the hightest per capita murder rate. Leveling the Motor City might not be a bad idea, that's the only way the people of that city will be rid of the corrupt Mayor and his posse......

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huh!!! what church is this!!!!   doesn't sound very christian like.

Here is a link for the whole story about them.  They are as despicable as it gets.  This link as well as numerous others will make you ill.


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"They are as despicable as it gets.  This link as well as numerous others will make you ill."

This is just wrong... These soldiers are not to blame for any of this mess and should be "honored" not what these idiots are doing to their memories. Unfortunatly the lst Amendment extends to wacko's like this also. The best we can do is IGNORE them and hope they go to hell.

Hugs BD

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How many attacks did we have before 9/11?  During the Clinton administration we had 9 throughout the world, including two on our Embassies and one on the World Trade Center.

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Charlie

wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 3:12pm:

What a load of crappy-crap-crap.

I can see why the media might frustrate you. ;)