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Message started by n_lighty37 on Aug 25th, 2008 at 1:01pm

Title: Room for one more new guy?
Post by n_lighty37 on Aug 25th, 2008 at 1:01pm
I was diagnosed with CH 5 years ago, and just started my third cycle this past week.  I get three per night, 9pm, 1am, 4am.  They each last about an hour.  My previous doctors didn't know anything about them, so they prescribed pain meds.  They all thought I was making it up.  I thought I was crazy, so did my family/friends.  Only my wife stood by me.

I've finally found a Primary who believed me, looked into it, and referred me to a neuro.  I'm on Prednisone and Verap as my preventives, and I have Maxalt as my abortive.  I'm only four days in, so it's hard to say how well the treatment is working.  I have an appt on Wed with my neuro, I'm going to ask her about O2...  What shoudl I  know about 02 going into this?  Should I be asking for specific equipment?  Does insurance cover any of the cost?

I hate having these things.  I'm usually such a positive person, but my outlook on life has gone down the tubes staring another cycle in the face.  I don't want to do this forever. :-/  I'm glad I found this place though.  Thanks for all the info.

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 25th, 2008 at 1:09pm
There is ALWAYS room for more (unfortunately) in this den of brain defects!  Welcome aboard!

As far as what to ask for, I have two posts that may help you.  They are both in the medical section.  One is stickied at the top called Help in getting OXYGEN prescribed and the other one is down in the lower area, called OXYGEN terms explained.

Basically you need oxygen at a flow rate of 15 LPM, minimum, with a non-rebreathing mask.  Have your doctor write the 'script and then call it or fax it over to an oxygen supplier in your area.  

Check the Oxygen info tab on the left of your screen, and see if Linde has an office in your area,  They know of us, and are VERY helpful.

Good LUCK!

Chuck

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by DennisM1045 on Aug 25th, 2008 at 1:13pm
Welcome aboard!  

Chuck has provided you with the O2 getting started info.  Read everything!

I hope your cycle is a short one.

-Dennis-

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 25th, 2008 at 1:18pm

n_lighty37 wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 1:01pm:
I hate having these things.  I'm usually such a positive person, but my outlook on life has gone down the tubes staring another cycle in the face.  I don't want to do this forever. :-/  I'm glad I found this place though.


I am like a bad penny ... I am back again ...

I almost forgot about this comment (I am old and senile, besides I ain't none to bright, neither ... Heehee)

One of the best things I ever learned from this site is NOT to let the beast win!  Do not dwell on the hits, dwell on the pain free time between hits!

Live life to its fullest, when you are not getting hit.

NEVER let clusters control your life.

Do NOT cancel doing something because you MIGHT get a hit.

The above comments are VERY easy to make, but much harder to live up to, but you CAN do it!

I have had clusters for 29 years, and the last 9 years have been chronic.  I thought my life was over, and WANTED it to be over.  Then I found this site (about five years ago) and my life is SO much fuller and better since I have WORKED at adopting the above policies.  You can do it too!

I get hit between 8 to 10 times a day.  When I do, I just grab my ammo and fight the beast, and then get back to what I was doing.  The ammo of choice, for me, is first and formost, OXYGEN!!!  Then as a backup, injectable imitrex.

Find the ammo that works best for you, and then ENJOY life!

Chuck (the motor mouth)

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by BrianJ on Aug 25th, 2008 at 2:01pm
Hi and welcome

I dont think anyone could have said it as well as chuck so i will just say sorry you have to be here but this is a awsome place and life will now get better if your willing to learn these guys are so willing to help.

Kind Regards and PF wishes to you
Brian

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 25th, 2008 at 2:12pm
Ignore everything Chuck has told you, nice people in white suits are putting a strait jacket on him as we speak.  ;)

You've been given some great advice already and it sounds like your neuro is pretty spot on with the meds so far. Another really strong vote for oxygen here. 30 years of dancing with the beast and 02 is still my first line and most effective treatment. Breathing pure 02, at a high flow rate, at least 15 lpm, using a non re breather mask. I can abort an attack in as little as 6 minutes, with no "med hang over" afterwards.

Oh yeah, we always have room for one more. Glad you found us, hope we can help you. And get your wife, (a peach of a supporter from the sounds of it) to join the board and hang out with the other supporters. It's a good place for her to get perspectives with how other spouses and supporters maintain their sanity when their significant other is getting slammed! :)

Guiseppi

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 25th, 2008 at 2:23pm

Guiseppi wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 2:12pm:
Ignore everything Chuck has told you, nice people in white suits are putting a strait jacket on him as we speak.


Harrrrrrumphhhhh!!!

And here I though you were my buddy .. and ya gotz SUCH a cute butt, too ...

<Scratching his name off the buddy list and put over to the "I'll get you for that" list>

Oh wait!!  Who are these nice looking men in white suits, coming into my office?

Oh, they want to have me try on this nice canvas type coat ... Oh my ... Look at how long those sleeves are ...  And what are those leather belts at the end of the sleeves for ?? ??



Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by n_lighty37 on Aug 25th, 2008 at 3:29pm
Ha ha...  Thanks for all of the advice and support.  Yah, my wife is a God send.  I don't know what I would do without her.

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by Karl on Aug 25th, 2008 at 7:00pm
just a welcome from me and those clowns joking around are  some of the best sources for help. thay are awsome.
my coat was the wrong size and they haven't found me since  shhh!!!
don't tell them i am here. [smiley=bloos.gif]

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by Sunset on Aug 25th, 2008 at 10:46pm
I'm new to this ( only 6 nights of CH to date) but O2 really helped relieve the pain last Saturday night - except that every 60 minutes it would come back again.

DOn't know of anything bad about the 02, but I'm sure glad it could relieve the pain

Oh- I've also trying to believe that strenous exercise (treadmill) helps to increase theblood flow and lessen the pain - will try this lightly and see if it works when I get a real CH episode

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by Bob_Johnson on Aug 26th, 2008 at 8:38am
By all means, read about O2, but consider:

Adding new meds/treatments, changing dosing on a med before it has time to become effective, dropping one treatment to start a new one, etc. has some real drawbacks:

1. IF some positive results, you don't know what has been responsible because the changes abort the testing phase of any treatment.

2. Is it one med working or some combination? Again, can't sort thru when too many changes are going are too quickly.

3. Potential for side effects increase without any knowing what is the cause, what individual med or combination is operating.

And etc. My main point: work with your doc to give his treatment plan a fair chance before pushing for changes. Collaboration, mixed with deference to the doc's skill, plus a dose of patience will help.

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 26th, 2008 at 10:34am
plus a dose of patience will help.

What Bob said, with that last line being the key. In the early stages of CH I'd take a pill, wait 10 minutes, when the pain didn't stop I'd go back to my doc screaming that didn't work either!!! I tried cafergot early on in my CH "career," and dismissed it entirely. Now cafergot, combined with my oxygen is the magic 1-2 punch for me. You can't go wrong with the oxygen, use it as your back up while you "patiently" explore the options with your doc. It's damned hard to be patient when you're getting slammed, but the payoff is SO worth it when you finally find the ffective preventative and abortive routines. Wishing you luck.

Guiseppi

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by thebbz on Aug 26th, 2008 at 1:01pm
The more you know ,the better to battle with the beast.
Hello and welcome.
thebb
Get the 02

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by BarbaraD on Aug 27th, 2008 at 10:07am
Welcome to the funny farm Clusterville. Pull up a chair and read, read, read. There are 100's of years of experience here (and that's just from Chuckles  ;) ).

We've all been right where you are and KNOW what you're going thru. We've all tried about EVERYTHING (heck, I even tried banana peels around my head - my late hubby came home with that one from a witch doctor in Venezuela!).

O2 seems to be the FIRST line of defense for MOST of us (nothing works 100% for everyone). Chuckles thinks I love him for his body and charming personality, but (just between you and me - don't tell him) it's because he's ALWAYS got his O2 with him and he's "fast on the draw" when I get hit around him. I'm really in love with his O2 tank....

I keep cafergot (ergotomine) for those hits that just won't quit. I hate taking meds, but don't like the pain, so I will take it when the O2 doesn't stop it. The energy drinks along with the O2 has been aborting mine lately and I've been pretty much off the cafergot, so I'm singing the praises of O2. Just make sure you're doing it right. That makes ALL the difference.

Again welcome home. We're here to help and someone's always up around here....

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by echo on Aug 27th, 2008 at 11:47am
Glad you found us, sorry you needed to.  Welcome to the group.

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by n_lighty37 on Aug 28th, 2008 at 12:06pm
I apologize if this has already been answered somewhere else...

I went to my neuro on Wednesday and got my oxygen script.  She seems extremely knowledgeable about CH, which is awesome.  She prescribed exactly what you guys talk about in terms of 02 except for one thing.  She prescribed a NASAL MASK.  Not the tubes ... a mask that only covers your nose.  She said it makes less of it go into your lungs via the mouth and more of the 02 go directly into your nasal passages.  Do any of you know if this will work?  Or do I still need to get ahold of the full face non-rebreathing mask?

Also, thanks again for all of your help and support.

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by BarbaraD on Aug 28th, 2008 at 12:16pm
Get a non-rebreathable mask. Go to the Linde site (O2 info on the left) You can order one there. Trust US on this one...

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by Ernie Moss aka Wishbone on Aug 28th, 2008 at 5:29pm
Man I am sorry you had to be here but as others have said glad you found us.  Although I am considerable younger than ClusterChuck and a hella lot better looking and according to BD a much cute butt I must concede he had provided you with great advise about the O2.  I have had CH for almost 13 years with very poor abortive treatment, almost comical if it weren't so painful to remember. A few years ago I was prescribed an O2 concentor and this really helped tremendously but I had to use triptan spray in combo to aborb almost anything over a 6 unless I wanted to wait 30 minutes.  This year I went to the O.U.C.H Convention and was sold on O2.  Now I have 6E tanks and an MM Tank and a 25LPM Regulator and a non-rebreather mask as Chuck mentioned you could get from Linde.  I am in a horrible cycle for me (normal for Chuck) getting hit 4-8 times a day, and unless it is 7^ kip I can abort in less than 10 minutes.  I am getting use to carrying my E Tank around with me (no prob at office because I keep 2 there as well), but I just go on and if in a restaurant and get hit, I go out to car and hit the beast back, of course some times my food is a little cold or Julie may have sneaked a bite, but that's okay.  Fight the beast and get the O2, I personally would spend the extra $ and get the 25lpm regulator, and get a good non-rebreather mask.  Again glad you found Cluster Headaches and I wish you PF days soon.  Wishbone.

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by mezza on Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:56pm
Just saying Hi and Welcome!  Hope you got your o2 sorted out.  just a quick tip - may or may not work in your situation.  When I was first prescribed O2,  the home health company handed my husband the nosa cannula thing .  I had told my husband they would probably do that and told him to specifically ask for a non rebreather mask.   He then asked for the non rebreather instead of the nose thing and they handed it right over.  No problemo.  The only thing written on my script was O2 for Cluster Headaches, nothing about masks etc.  

Not sure if it'll work for you , but can't hurt to ask.


Glad you joined up-

Kelly

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:35am

Ernie Moss aka Wishbone wrote on Aug 28th, 2008 at 5:29pm:
Although I am considerable younger than ClusterChuck and a hella lot better looking and according to BD a much cute butt


ARRRRGGGGG!!!!!!

Stabbed in the back!!!


And to think I USED to like Ernie ...

<scribble, scribble, scribble ... ANOTHER name added to the "I'll get you back, sukka" list ...>

Chuck


Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:41am

BarbaraD wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 10:07am:
There are 100's of years of experience here (and that's just from Chuckles


BarbaraD wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 10:07am:
Chuckles thinks I love him for his body and charming personality, but (just between you and me - don't tell him) it's because he's ALWAYS got his O2 with him and he's "fast on the draw" when I get hit around him. I'm really in love with his O2 tank....


<Sniff ... sniff ... >

"Why's everybody always pickin' on me?"

(Guess I'm showing my advanced age by quoting that song)

Here I try to be such a nice, pure, sincere, compasionate, and conservative person, yet all I get is abuse ...

<sigh ...>

Chuck

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by n_lighty37 on Aug 29th, 2008 at 7:38am
Oh Chuck... you know they love you.

;)

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by Batch on Aug 29th, 2008 at 2:09pm

n_lighty37 wrote on Aug 28th, 2008 at 12:06pm:
She prescribed a NASAL MASK.  Not the tubes ... a mask that only covers your nose.  She said it makes less of it go into your lungs via the mouth and more of the 02 go directly into your nasal passages.  Do any of you know if this will work?  Or do I still need to get ahold of the full face non-rebreathing mask?

Interesting Rx…  I wonder how well your doctor actually understands cluster headaches? Did she ask you if your eye on the hit side starts watering around Kip-6 to Kip7?  And, did she ask you if your nose started running and became congested at that pain level as well?  I don’t know about you, but when my attacks reach Kip-6 – Kip-7, both happen to me and that makes inhaling through my nose difficult to impossible as the pain level rises.

Having said that, I need to be careful not to dismiss a new method of administering oxygen therapy out of hand.  Your doctor may be on to something I’ll go into a bit later, but I wonder where she thinks the oxygen goes after it’s inhaled through the nasal passages?  Two years ago I became painfully aware that the 7 to 9 liters/minute flow rate suggested in the standards of care/treatment for cluster headaches and initially prescribed by my doctor was insufficient.  I found that 15 liters/minute worked better and that even higher flow rates were even more effective in aborting my attacks.  I started discussing these higher oxygen flow rates over a year ago here on the boards and in a Supplemental User’s Guide for Oxygen Therapy several of us developed and posted on the OUCH web site about that time…

I now use much higher flow rates, and wouldn’t start oxygen therapy at anything less than 25 liters/minute.  Having researched this topic extensively over the last two years, I’ve posted the rational for using these higher flow rates several times as being very safe, very effective, and far less invasive than all the other preventative and abortive medications that carry some onerous side effects.  One of the latest of these posts is on the Medications,  Treatments,  Therapies forum, in Chuck’s post titled ‘Help in getting OXYGEN prescribed’ - Reply #6.  The short answer from that post is when it comes to using oxygen therapy as an abortive, oxygen is your friend and CO2 is your enemy – Use an oxygen flow rate that supports hyperventilation.

Now for the bit about passing oxygen through the nose and nasal passages…  This will get a bit long winded so please bear with me…  The surface area of the nasal passages is much larger than most would suspect, but it’s nowhere near the surface area of the lungs that are estimated at a surface area of some 160 m2.  That’s almost equal to the area of a singles tennis court and 80 times the area of our skin!  Accordingly, the amount of oxygen absorbed into the bloodstream through the nasal passages would be insignificant when compared to the amount of oxygen absorbed by our lungs, but there is another factor to consider.

We’ve all found that cold ice packs on the head, neck, and face, chewing ice, and drinking cold fluids appears to help in the process of aborting our attacks.  The basic principle behind this is cold stimulates vasoconstriction.  I took that one step further in the User’s Guide where I suggested in one of the tips about a technique of using the mouthpiece attachment on the oxygen mask manifold shown below on the left and allowing the oxygen to free-cycle through the mouth, up into the back of the nasal passage and out the side of the nose on the hit side.  

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The thought here was that the very dry oxygen would cool the nasal passages, not from the temperature of the oxygen, but rather through the process of evaporative cooling.  As the sphenopalatine ganglion is located at the back of the nasal passage and it’s much closer in proximity and actually linked neurologically to the trigeminal nerve, it stands to reason that cooling that area could be beneficial in aiding the abort process by stimulating vasoconstriction in and around the trigeminal nerve.

There’s another cluster headache abortive therapy used by some neurologists that lends further credence to this notion.  That therapy involves intranasal administration of a topical 4% lidocaine solution to anesthetize the sphenopalatine ganglion that’s located at the back of the nasal cavity.  There are also several studies suggesting that the sphenopalatine ganglion participates in the mechanisms of cluster headache pain.  These findings indicate the local administration of an anesthetic agent such as a lidocaine, as a sphenopalatine ganglion block, is effective in aborting cluster headache attacks.

Although any comments on the efficacy of free-cycling oxygen through the mouth and out the nose would be anecdotal at best, I’ve found using this technique has a soothing effect when used for 20 to 30 seconds as a break from breathing 100% oxygen at the higher respiration rates that support hyperventilation.  It takes a few second to master this technique, but once you relax the back of your throat and exhale gently through the nose, you’ll feel the flow start.  

I also allow the reservoir bag to fill completely so there is sufficient pressure to allow the oxygen to work its way through congested nasal passages.  If the nasal passage on the hit side is too congested, I gently press on the opposite side of the nose to block the flow from that side in order to insure the evaporative cooling is directed to the hit side.   The longer you let the oxygen free-cycle, the colder that area of the nasal passages get.  Although higher oxygen flow rates accelerate the evaporative cooling effect, I found this technique is just as effective if I adjust the flow rate down to 15 liters/minute during these short free-cycle sessions.  It works for me.

Take care,

V/R, Batch


Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by Ernie Moss aka Wishbone on Aug 29th, 2008 at 3:42pm
Batch as always a great post. I would only add if you are having a lot of hits and several at 6kip and higher and present these facts to your neuro and he/she prescribes lidocaine as the abortive, then my suggestion is after they give you the prescription for O2 is to thank them kindly and make a fast exit. Batch my concentrator may have the mask like n-lightly is describing I think and tube from the machine enters at the bottom so it shoots up toward your nostrils so on shadows or 5kip or below I do exactly what you describe, except I breath every other time through my nose since there is no bag to fill and if my nose is not stopped up I may breath every breath through my nose.  It feels good and honestly seems to abort faster, of course the machine is only at 10lpm, but doing it this way I ususally can abort a 6kip or below in 10 minutes, but anything higher I had to use triptan.  Of course now I use the O2.

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by n_lighty37 on Aug 29th, 2008 at 5:30pm
Ok...  Most of my attacks are kip 7+.  I very rarely fall below that in a regular episode.  I did discuss the nasal restrictions with my neurologist.  I mentioned to her about the non-rebreathing mask, and she told me that used to prescribe them exclusively.  She said she has had great success with using the nasal mask in her other cluster patients (she apparently has around 20 or 25 other cluster patients).  I spoke with the guy at the 02 supply place today (btw, just got my 02 tank and machine  ;D) and he gave me both the non-rebreathing mask, and the nasal mask.  I'll keep you informed as to which one works better for me.

Thanks for all of the info, that was crazy informative. :)

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by Ernie Moss aka Wishbone on Aug 29th, 2008 at 6:51pm
Good luck and man I hope it works and you are PF soon.  I don't believe you mentioned what regulator you got.  I have both a 15lpm and a 25lpm (plus the concentrator which really doesn't count) and trust me there is difference in daylight and dark between the 15lpm and 25lpm.  It may not be with the face mask, but to me it is with the non rebreather mask or at least the way I use it as I often take a lot of deep breaths (and yes I am a heavy smoker), even with my nose and with a 15lpm regulator you can deflate the bag and it can take too long to reinflate with a 15lpm, but with the 25lpm it will pop right up.  Obviously with the face mask this is not the same issue, but there is not I don't think that much difference is the cost and you can turn the 25 down to 15 if it is too high.  Good luck and happy Labor Day weekend everyone and Chuck I hope they take you on a different route this weekend for your daily time out of the home.  Wishbone.

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by n_lighty37 on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 5:52am
Alright, here's the verdict...

1.  02 is magical!  Thanks for the info and suggestions.
2.  The nasal mask works really really well for me.

The non-rebreathing mask works just as well.  I really can't tell a difference in the effectiveness at all between the two masks I've been given.  I have found that with the nasal mask, I have to keep my head bent forward, and with the non-rebreathing mask, I'm able to move around more (which is good sometimes), but other than that, there's little to no difference.

I also think my verapamil is starting to settle in and take over.  I actually slept through most of the night last night  :)  I think this will be a good day.  Thanks again all.  You mean more to me than I could ever say.

P.S.  I have a 10lpm oxygen machine (don't use it) and then an 'M' tank with an adjustable regulator.  It goes as high as 25lpm.  15lpm seems to be my magic number.

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by BarbaraD on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 8:38am
Glad it's working for you. Love a "sucess" story. We all do.

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by ClusterChuck on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 9:05am

Ernie Moss aka Wishbone wrote on Aug 29th, 2008 at 6:51pm:
Chuck I hope they take you on a different route this weekend for your daily time out of the home.


They never took me out of the home this weekend.  They said I was being bad, so had to be punished.  

What harm was it that my robe kept falling open, and people got to see how sexy my naked body is?

And how was I to know that that hot stud muffin, that I offered the candy to, was the new director of the home's security force?

Now if I could only get those pesky belts, that hold the sleeves in back, loosened ...

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by ClusterChuck on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 9:08am

n_lighty37 wrote on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 5:52am:
Alright, here's the verdict...

1.  02 is magical!  
2.  The nasal mask works really really well for me.


WOOHOO!!!  Happy dancin' for ya!  I LOVE hearing of these successes!

<Adding another name to the Oxygen Success team>

Chuck

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by thebbz on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 2:45pm
I use a mouthpiece. What is your machine? If it is a concentrator, you will find it may not be adequate to deliver what we need. 100% 02, on demand. Whatever works is a good thing. Glad your getting some beneficial treatment.
all the best
thebb

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by n_lighty37 on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 3:36pm
I think it is a concentrator.  And you're right, it doesn't really work very well at all.  They guy at the supply company said it would, but I think he was confused.  He also gave me a regular 02 tank...  I use that, because it actually works, lol.  Thanks for the reply.

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by thebbz on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 3:45pm
Ya, I went around trying to make those work. Didn't for me. I should have taken the advice RJ (mucho respecto for Mr. Happy)gave me here and not wasted my time plus the useless suffering.They start off at 80% 02 concentration,plus or minus and take up to five minutes to reach 95%. We need 100% stat for best results.
Maybe Batch could elaborate on these worthless contraptions.(for CH in my opinion only)
all the best
thebb

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by n_lighty37 on Sep 3rd, 2008 at 7:18am
Ok, I have another question.  I think that the Verapamil is FINALLY starting to do something.  I'm not waking up as often with head pain, and they're usually less severe then they have been.  But, just when I think things are starting to work, I have a horrible night and get slammed hard.  I try 02, imitrex injections, ice, redbulls, everything I can think of, but the damned thing won't quit!  Does anyone else have this kind of experience?

Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by ClusterChuck on Sep 3rd, 2008 at 9:20am

n_lighty37 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2008 at 7:18am:
I try 02, imitrex injections, ice, redbulls, everything I can think of, but the damned thing won't quit!  Does anyone else have this kind of experience?

Oh, HELL yes!

There are certain hits that I get that no matter how much oxygen I suck down, at whatever rate, and even with a trex shot, the beast basically sez FUCK YOU, and goes on his merry tromp through my head.

This happens at least once a day, for me, but I get a lot of hits per day, so my frequency of this happening is probably much higher than others experience.

So, YES, it does happen!

Unfortunately ....

Chuck


Title: Re: Room for one more new guy?
Post by thebbz on Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:55am
Yep sometimes nothing works. Not even pumping your arms in the air.
He.he.he...
all the best
thebb

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