This was sent to me by a friend of mine. This is not meant to offend anyone.

I am German.  One of my Great-Grandmothers was smuggled out of Germany in a suitcase as a child, by her older brother.  She never saw him again. Her parents where taken to Auschwitz and we have never been able to find out anything else. We have just assumed that they where some of the many who never left.  
This email struck me deeply, as there are so many of us that where touched by 9/11.  

It is our job to remember. Not because we are Americans, or because we are Christian, but because we are Human Beings.

The worse thing that we could do, is to forget what has happened and turn the other way because it makes us uncomfortable.



The holocaust

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It is a matter of history that when Supreme Commander
of the Allied Forces,


 
General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered
 
all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from
 
surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury
 
the dead. He did this because he said in words to this effect:


'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because
 
somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say
 
that this never happened.


This week, the UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because
 
it 'offended' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred.  This is a

frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each

country is giving into it.



It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.

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This is a memorial chain, in memory of  the,

6 million Jews,

20 million Russians,

10 million Christians,

and 1,900 Catholic priests

who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beat,
 
experimented on and humiliated
 
while people looked the other way!

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be  a myth,
it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.


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How many year s will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center, 'NEVER HAPPENED'

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because it offends some Muslim in the U.S. ??????

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Hmm the point of this topic is different, but I really don't understand how anyone can dany things as obvious as holocaust (because there are so many proofs, relations). I can't say those "scientists" like Irving are dumb, because I don't know their point of view very deeply, but they prolly are. Well, it's illegal in many European countries.

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Thanks Kev,

I should have checked snopes first.

Still good to remember.

Tiannia wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2008 at 7:37pm:

Still good to remember.

Yes, of course.



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...how easily each country is giving into it.

With the Brits in it from beginning to end, first taking a miraculous retreat off the continent at Dunkirk, then enduring a tremendous onslaught from above at home and underwater at sea by the Germans, being so involved as part of that history, I wouldn't know the Brits to give in easily to much.   ;)

I WILL NEVER FORGET.....Lenny

I visited Dacau in 1962 BEFORE they turned it into a museum. That's something that's never left me.

I went back 25 years later and it was a museum and a tourist attraction - a lot different from what I saw in 62, but I'm still carrying the 62 impression with me today.

No we should NOT forget EVER.

In my opinion, nothing in history should ever be forgotten. We learn from history and hopefully avoid the same mistakes in the future.

Hugs BD

There are plenty of people who deny the holocaust .  Neo-nazi groups, for example.  As a Jew who lost relatives in the holocaust, I'll never forget.  My mother was in a camp after the nazis took over Prauge.

Ray

I had a teacher who was in a camp as a teenager (early teens).  The first day she told the class she would make us a bet.  She offered to arm wrestle the strongest kid in class.  If she won, we would agree to respect her rules.  If not, she would let us make some rules.    This woman beat this 14 year old kid 3 times her weight and we never questioned her.

That same day a kid noticed she was drinking hot water and asked her if she really liked it.  She replied that her stomach couldn't take anything more.  Her time in the camp messed her up for good.

Anyway, if you had ever met her, you would never have to question the Holocaust.  She told us a few stories that stay with me today.  I hope the world NEVER gives in to those who wish to deny the truth.

Finally, if you get a chance and have a weak stomach but want to see more, go to the Anne Frank house in Amsterdam.  I saw 2 guys who looked like football players crying in the gift shop while visiting there.  

Hitler's rise to power is shockingly and eerily reminiscent of the meteoric rise of Obama, complete with the Hitler Youth

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Talk about history repeating...

lemmings

Excuse me, but WTF do these kids know about politics and economic policy?  This is nothing but brainwashing.

HitlerObama Youth

In my 45 years of dealing at gun shows and working in the military relics business, I've met some really bizarre types. Guys who dress their kids in brown shirts, Klansmen, scores of militia types, self-styled white supremacists, and more. It's a bigger part of WWII military collectibles than I'll like to imagine........ of course people who pass out flyers proving that the Holocaust is a fraud.

This same charming group would probably waste their time with similar insipid comparisons of anybody to Hitler.

Charlie

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of course people who pass out flyers proving that the Holocaust is a fraud.

  HOW do they do that Charlie.?   Serious question.

Charlie wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2008 at 6:45pm:

In my 45 years of dealing at gun shows and working in the military relics business, I've met some really bizarre types. Guys who dress their kids in brown shirts, Klansmen, scores of militia types, self-styled white supremacists, and more. It's a bigger part of WWII military collectibles than I'll like to imagine........ of course people who pass out flyers proving that the Holocaust is a fraud. This same charming group would probably waste their time with similar insipid comparisons of anybody to Hitler. Charlie

Charlie, you have some serious blinders on if you can watch those kids sing about our new messiah and *not* see the same thing that goes on in China, North Korea, and formerly the Third Riech.  I know it would kill you to admit it, but it is exactly the same thing.  Are you trying to tell me these kids, all on their own, are so tuned into economics and democracy that they put together a production like this?  Riiiight.  You have got to be kidding yourself, because you're not kidding me.  I ain't buying it for a second.  C'mon.   ::)

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HitlerObama Youth

You will love this video, Shawn!  ;)

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Linda:

At some military shows, you can buy any number of anti-semitic newspapers, books, and more on display tables along with Nazi war relics. At many of these things...not all, you can find all kinds of pins, insignia and goodies too. It's not pretty. It's been awhile since I've been to one of these things and I wonder what the effect 9-11 has had on them. It must be wild.....

Fubs:

I can't possibly go into video here. It takes me hours to download the stuff. While Obama looks and sounds good to kids, he's really not so different. To me, he's a classic a classic example of one who campaigns from the left and will govern from the center. It's what American politicians do.

He's not unique in the HItler similarity. One thing Hitler was was a helluva politician. He did mostly what others did but so much better....unfortunatley.

I've heard this comparison before but it's relation to the present escapes me.

Charlie

I wouldn't see a comparison to the Hitler Youth, which were age 14 - 18, not of voting age.

Obama hit the colleges here in MI pretty well, 28,000 showed at Wayne State and I know he did MI State lately, many registered.  McCain pulled up stakes here, conceding this state to Obama.  Last I heard McCain was down by more than ten percentage points, in a state with the about the worst unemployment.

What I'd see are college kids about to enter the prime of their life in a very dismal job environment, spending and studying to get somewhere with nowhere to go in this state when they graduate.    

They want change and want it now.  Whatever has been going on in Washington, it seems to get worse here, change is the word.

Yeah it's a bunch of promises but it's something for them to grasp onto and put hope in.  Maybe they trust him, who knows, they're excited.

Keven, those kids were in elementary school, not voting age.

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Keven, those kids were in elementary school, not voting age.

Oh, sorry Fu, I can't view any flicks.  

Then I wouldn't worry about it.  We got excited about the Beatles in third grade.  What the hell did I know about music then, it sounded good.  Maybe he's got a cool name, kinda like Ringo.    :D

Let's put on our tinfoil hats and pretend that the "kids for McCain" videos out there don't exist, or are fakes.  When Reagan came from no where with a message of change and hope, that was good - but when a Democrat does that, surely it is evil.

Funny how just a few years ago, the wingnuts said Bill Clinton was just like Hitler.  Then when Al Gore ran, he was Hitler. Earlier this year, Hillary Clinton was Hitler. And now Obama. I guess nobody told you that when you describe everyone you don't like as Hitler, you lose all credibility, Fubar?  You're not one bit better than the wingnuts on the left that compare Bush or McCain to Hitler.

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It's too bad for those that can't watch it, because it speaks volumes.

Give me a break, bringing up the plain fact that this video is similar to Hitler Youth is just bringing up a fact.  I didn't say Obama was Hitler.  I'm talking about the irrational exuberance over our new glorious leader, savior and messiah.  These kids don't know anything about anything, so their young faces pleading for the glorious Obama to change the world are nothing but scripted propaganda.  The sad, sad fact is it works for a lot of people.

It has always been beyond me how anyone with a sane head on his/her shoulders could deny the Holocaust. But then again, it's always the neo-nazi types who do that, which aren't exactly shining examples of lucidity and reason.

Here in the city's centre, at the entrance to a Jewish cemetary, you can see the names of all the Jewish citizens who were deported and killed during those years, and it always gives me the chills thinking of what people are capable off.

In the Netherlands it is a crime to publicly deny the Holocaust. So what you get is a radical iman who on TV states that he would never deny the Holocaust, coz it's a crime, when confronted with questions about it....LOL. But he is known for preaching differently. Damn, what a soft country have we become.

Pascal.

You know, yakking about this is okay here but the Karl Rove bottom feeders of the GOP use stuff like this to waste the time of opponents. They are expert at getting people to defend not-relevant issues that divert the party from the serious business of running against their goof. Obama and Biden seem to handle this better though. 2008 Democrats are doing just fine.

At least the Hilary message amounts to a Christmas card.

Charlie

I am a very proud part of the nation that the 3rd Reich triad to annihilate……  
I was born and raised in Israel and served in the Israeli Navy…… I am a proud son to this
nation and sovereign country….. build (not only) on the ashes of the bigotry,
Profound hate rage, racism, and a genocide.

One can go and try and deny, try and re-write history, try to revive the hate rage, try and
deny the death / genocide of a religion / nation.
But it will not help, a proud nation / country is back to its promised land, a prosperous country,
a democratic nation, with a great history, and a big future, a country that  is the remainder
of a nation resurrecting from the ashes of ruin, into a powerful and prosperous nation, part
of the world’s DEMOCRATIC AND FREE nations!
No low /regulation in the UK or for that matter any where in the world, can or will change the fact that the nation
/ country that was build (1948) on the tears, pain, and loss of big parts of the Jewish (central and eastern European as well as some of North Africa) Diaspora during WW2, the Final Solution 1942–1945,
a nation/country that is a vivid reminder, living monument for the determination of the holocaust (Hebrew: The biblical word Shoah meaning "calamity”) survivors.
It is there (Israel) on the promised land to stay, to be a reminder for all times to come!


“IN THEIR DEATH THEY COMMAND US LIFE”

Michael

Barbara, Dachau in '89 was pretty powerful when I was there.  Yes it was a museum, but it was still powerful.  The hardest thing for me to reconcile was that it was in a suburb - not way out in the middle of nowhere.  The residents HAD to know what was going on - no way they didn't see it.

The Holocaust museum in Washington DC is an amazing tribute.  On our way to Richmond for the convention we stayed a few days in DC and had that on our list of must-sees.  

Those who choose to ignore the past are destined to repeat it.  We learn from the past so we can move beyond it.

The Turkish government still denies the systematic killing of Armenians in the early part of the 20th century.

Repeat a lie long enough and loud enough......

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I always thought being an Italian American meant your were an American of Italian decent since the American would be a noun and Italian would be the adjective describing the kind of American.

So, wouldnt an American Italian be a person who identifies themself as an Italian who happens to be of American decent?

Help me those who are stronger in the grammar.  Knowing Jonny a little, I think he would be more correctly self-defined as an Italian American

I know what Jonny meant, and nobody's ever accused Jonny of being a grammer king.  Just King.

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wrote on Oct 4th, 2008 at 3:22pm: I know what Jonny meant, and nobody's ever accused Jonny of being a grammer king.  Just King. And he also knows what I meant, he just likes to......ummm...Lets just say he needs to wash his pu$$y because it stinks!  :-*

Im really not sure what you are saying here but it doesnt sound like a compliment.  So, maybe next time I should just let my friend Jonny tell the whole board that he doesnt consider himself an American first the way people who like to be called African American do.  

;)

Whatever... calling Jonny un-American is just pissing into the wind.  We know better.

Calling me anything in a thread about six million dead people just shows he just wants to start shit!

Start a new thread and we will have it, Fatboy!

Sorry, Tia!

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Calling me anything in a thread about six million dead people just shows he just wants to start shit! Start a new thread and we will have it, Fatboy! Sorry, Tia!

If you honestly think I want to start crap with you, you don't know me very well.  I was honestly asking a question and you were the one to make a rude comment about me.

(editted to add)  I never called you anti-american.  In fact, I did say I thought you didn't mean it that way.  Read my comments again, all I said was that you made an incorrect statement I didn't think you meant and you were the one who made a rude comment about me.  I am also Jewish so please don't lecture me about respecting this topic.  YOU WERE THE ONE to start calling people names here, not me.  My comment was that you DIDNT mean what you said.

fubar:  I have met Jonny in person and up until his latest reply I thought Jonny knew me better.  I was not calling him un-American.  I was saying that next time I shouldn't correct him from making a statement he didn't mean to make.  also, I think Jonny can defend himself especially against me,. because I WAS NOT ATTACKING HIM.



This is unreal.  

FramCire, I didn't mean to start something.  Your post made it sound like Jonny didn't think of himself as American first, which you know, I know, and everybody knows isn't true.  That's what made me respond.  Even looking at it again, it's an easy mistake to make.