Apparently there is a rumor out that Obama is being investigated by the feds now for violating RICO with regard to campaign contributions and ACORN.

Let the cover up begin.

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I'll wait for the subpoenas to come out.

Anyone can start a rumor.  Lord knows, we've seen plenty of wild accusations from both sides this year.  Illegitimate kids, secessionists, terrorists, corruption, yadda, yadda.    

Nothing new about that, of course--the late stages of campaigns are always characterized by flung poo.  Interestingly, none of it seems to be sticking all that well this year.  Could be people are just tired of it.

Hasn't always been the case, however--this early and devastatingly dirty late-campaign TV ad helped consign Barry Goldwater to the history books, even though it ran only once.  For those who've never seen it, it's a masterpiece of innuendo:

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Nobody seems to be as good at smear campaigning these days--it's a degenerate age.

Ya know, until a rumor grows legs and walks, I'm usually not inclined to pay it much mind anymore.  The past few campaigns have burned out my rumor-crediting synapses.  I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way.  

Best,

George

I'm with you George -- and besides last night they (the nice guys on TV) tied McCain into the orgaization that FUNDED ACORN originally.. This could get really fun... Think I'll stock up on popcorn. :)

Back to regular programing...

Hugs BD

wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 12:12pm:

Apparently there is a rumor out that Obama is being investigated by the feds now for violating RICO with regard to campaign contributions and ACORN. Let the cover up begin.

Gosh, an actual Rumor ??  

Here's a rumor for you ... a majority of Americans are fed up with the Republicans and will vote for Obama.

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You're right, most Americans prefer to not know anything that might taint their view of our Messiah.  Sad state of affairs.

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Here's a rumor for you ... a majority of Americans are fed up with the Republicans

Funny, since the Dems have been in charge the past 2 years.  Remember, Bush can't just enact any old bill he wants.  The Congress, in which the Dems hold a majority in both houses, are the ones who say yeah or nay.

monty wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 1:16pm:

[quote author=4053444754260 link=1223568739/0#0 date=1223568738]Apparently there is a rumor out that Obama is being investigated by the feds now for violating RICO with regard to campaign contributions and ACORN. Let the cover up begin.

Gosh, an actual Rumor ??  

Here's a rumor for you ... a majority of Americans are fed up with the Republicans and will vote for Obama.

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not this 'pub ::)

I'm fed up with BOTH the major partys.

Redd wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 2:47pm:

I'm fed up with BOTH the major partys.

May I suggest that you vote for McCain then.  with congress going to be more heavily democrat, the best way to express your displeasure is to make the 2 parties work together.  

Historically speaking, the country's economy is better served with congress' majority and the President coming from different parties.

I will admit to being more conservative than liberal, but my vote is not for the Republicans, it is for a forced bipartisan government.

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I can't believe that people find this stuff

a) interesting, or

b) surprising.

Already there this morning Melly.

I've been reading up on each and every 3rd party candidate who is on the balot nationally, as well as any additionals for WI.

I've narrowed down to 2 that I will watch heavily right up to the time that I close that curtain.

;)

FramCire wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 2:56pm:

Redd wrote on Oct 9th, 2008 at 2:47pm: I'm fed up with BOTH the major partys. May I suggest that you vote for McCain then.  with congress going to be more heavily democrat, the best way to express your displeasure is to make the 2 parties work together.   Historically speaking, the country's economy is better served with congress' majority and the President coming from different parties. I will admit to being more conservative than liberal, but my vote is not for the Republicans, it is for a forced bipartisan government.

I think the solution is to get rid of them both.  We've had a democrat majority with W. in office, that's worked well hasn't it?  How about the deficit spending during the Reagan years?  It's a joke.  Bi-partisnism my ass.  

Agostino Leyre wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 3:21pm:

I think the solution is to get rid of them both.  We've had a democrat majority with W. in office, that's worked well hasn't it?  How about the deficit spending during the Reagan years?  It's a joke.  Bi-partisnism my ass.

Definition of bi-partisan: Both parties working together to screw the people who actually work in this country.

You got it, Brew.

Yo Shawn, have you seen this? :)

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Edit: I edited this to add the same clip, but longer and more to Shawns point!

The idea that with the immense resources of national political parties that they are behind the door when it comes to finding slime and internet-created rumors is bizarre. When there is something useful and verifiable enough to satisfy these incredibly powerful organs, it gets used...always....they never miss a trick. It shows. All they do is look for stuff to use that will work...constantly with every geeky system there is.....believe me, they know exactly how it's done.

Charlie

Charlie wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 9:07pm:

The idea that with the immense resources of national political parties that they are behind the door when it comes to finding slime and internet-created rumors is bizarre. When there is something useful and verifiable enough to satisfy these incredibly powerful organs, it gets used...always....they never miss a trick. It shows. All they do is look for stuff to use that will work...constantly with every geeky system there is.....believe me, they know exactly how it's done.

Are "internet rumors" why the FBI siezed all documents and computers of accorns LV headquaters?

Are internet rumors why the FBI are looking at voter fraud by accorn in ten states?

Damn, internet rumors are just a real hoot with the FBI these days.....LMMFAO  ;D

Just know that it's mostly bottom feeders on the right that write fake letters....only to new Democratic voters, using the slimiest dirty tricks there are to try to scare, misdirect mostly new registered voters. In the past both have done it but today, there is no comparison.

Charlie

Charlie wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 9:26pm:

Just know that it's mostly bottom feeders on the right that write fake letters....only to new Democratic voters, using the slimiest dirty tricks there are to try to scare, misdirect mostly new registered voters. In the past both have done it but today, there is no comparison.

Huh?.......I listen to all news radio all day and all they have on was people that were threatened on the street to register by accorn 10/15 and even up to 70 times. They even registered a cat to vote......LMAO ;D

Just look up voter dirty tricks at major network sites. There's no contest.

Charlie

Charlie wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 9:50pm:

Just look up voter dirty tricks at major network sites. There's no contest. Charlie

This aint dirty tricks, bro......its a felony!  ;)

Dangit Charlie I wish you had DSL!!! :(

Melissa wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 9:59pm:

Dangit Charlie I wish you had DSL!!! :(

Melly, he has a radio, he just cant break from the party......LOL

That ACORN is under investigation in 12 states (care to guess which ones?...the swing states? You are correct sir) for their voting fraud/irregularities is downright shocking. The old phrase for the Democrats keeps ringing in our ears:

Vote early and vote often.

I've never forgotten that the Republicans  say "Don't vote!"
It's the only way they can win and they admit it.

Charlie

Charlie, you're just wrong on this.  Democrats own voter fraud.

Democrats and Republicans both have had their curious voter registration schemes where people surprisingly voted in alphabetical order and names were taken from gravestones. Both parties did this in the past. The Republicans are the ones using partisan election officials in Florida to steal the election for Bush. What a surprise that this happened in the state where George Bush's brother was governor. Republicans are sending scare letters to newly registered Democrats telling them that state police will be in force looking very closely at new voters if they go to the polls and writing new voters in Michigan that they need not vote because of fake mistakes in registrations and polling qualifications.

The GOP has done much more damage to voting rights than Democrats. The Democrats have had to spend all their time trying to repair this damage while for some reason, people actually by into the Republican fantasy about this. Amazing.

Charlie

State police "looking" at new voters?  OMG  How scary.  Not!  But then again, if you ain't doing nothing wrong, that's not much of a threat.  I wish they really would stand at the head of each voter sign in line and check photo id's against the voter registration roster and arrest anyone they caught trying to vote illegally.

When I go up to vote, I take out my ID and voter registration card and hand them to the person checking me in.  Always have.  Always will whether it's required or not.  IMHO, it ought to be mandatory everywhere.

You should have to pass a test to get a license to vote:

Items on the test:

- The Constitution and Bill of Rights
- Your local, state, and federal government, basic principles
- Basic knowledge of our tax system (i.e. what really happen when we approve a 50B bond to pay for new roads?)

A person should not have to prove he has left/right/center views on anything, just that they know what the difference is.

But then again, as I've said before, the Republic of Nunley would require licenses for many things... a license to vote, a license to drive, a license to have a public job, a license to have children, etc.

We are required to present a picture ID (they don't check our registration cards because we know most of them and have voted in the same place for 20 some odd years).  In one of our previous elections, they did stop a man from voting until they could verify his information.

On the flip side, you get into south Louisiana and we have more dead people voting than any other state.  Yes, you heard right, dead people voting (and this was primarily engineered by the Democratic party~Louisiana is probably one of the most corrupt states around when it comes to voter fraud).

Remember, I think it was last year, when there was a huge move to make it mandatory for voters to present a picture ID when voting?  All I heard was that it would disenfranchise too many voters because (a) they wouldn't be able to get to where they needed a picture id (makes you wonder how they cash checks or do anything requiring an id) and/or (b)they couldn't afford it.  Well that was countered with, (a) set up mobile units or provide transportation and (b) waive the fees.  Nothing was ever done.

Photo ID became necessary in NY too.

Charlie

NEVER HAD TO SHOW ID TO VOTE IN PHILLY.  NOT ONCE. NOT SURPRISING CAUSE THIS CITY WILL NEVER GET ITS ACT TOGETHER

I can't vote in the US yet, but in CAnada, you *had* to show ID to vote - or you didn't vote.  I'm astounded that the US doesn't require some proof of you are who you say you are to protect one of the constitutions great franchises.

That both major parties play these games is no surprise nor nothing new, nor is it going to change until the people make it change.  JMHO

Cat

as a side note, I've stayed out of most every political thread for the entire time I've been on ch.com, some 8+ years now - why I've decided to get into the mud now - well - there's too much at stake - I don't want to see this country fall down, and I see the only way as the American people using their constitution and it's rights and privileges to take back their country.
(end philosophical side note hehe)

i only have to show my ID the first time I vote each day.  Sometimes the 50th time they'll ask for ID just to make sure Im voting for the right person.

catlind wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 10:05am:

I don't want to see this country fall down, and I see the only way as the American people using their constitution and it's rights and privileges to take back their country.

It's too bad not enough "citizens" share your vision and passion.....  :-/

This is called food for thought....Think about it !!!

This election has me very worried.  So many things to consider.
About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than.  I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another.  I must say this drives my husband crazy.  But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with.  About six months ago, I started thinking "where did the money come from for Obama".  I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight.  We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans. I started looking into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California.  He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. "Barry" (that was the name
he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan.  During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a "round the world"
trip.  Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family.
My question - Where did he get the money for this trip?  Nether I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in college.  When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York.  It is at this time he  wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry.  Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia?  It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition?  Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000. a year.  Why Chicago?  Why not New York? He was already living in New York.

By "chance"  he met Antoin "Tony" Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a real estate developer in Chicago.  Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year.  Rezko, was named "Entrepreneur of the Decade"
by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association".  About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School.  Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School?  Where did he get the
money for Law School?  More student loans?  After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down.  But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what?  They represented "Rezar" which Rezko's firm.  Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago.  In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing
Obama with "seed money"  for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price).  With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he
get the money for the property?  On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased.  Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President.  Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss.  She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first.  Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran!  Do we see a pattern here?
Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was "sacked" after the press found out he was having regular contacts with Hamas", which controls Gaza (Remember the campaign contributions his campaign tried to hide under the state of Ga. which really were from the Gaza Strip) and is connected with Iran.  This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will "Take care of things".
(Basically what he said was don't make any deals with the current president but wait until the new President is elected and he also spoke to a high ranking military official and ask him not to make any major decisions about the war until the new president is elected.) I
wonder who he thought that was going to be?

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in Pakistan?  They are in charge of all those "small" Internet campaign contribution for Obama.  Where is that money coming from?  The poor
and middle class in this country?  Or could it be from the Middle East?  ( Like the affore mentioned Gaza Strip where it is documented he received contributions and tried to conceal them under the state of Ga.).  My friends, it is illegal to accept contributions from anyone
other than a U.S. citizen, so why was nothing done about this?

And the final bit of news.  On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos.  Obama on talking about his religion said, " My Muslim faith".  When questioned, "did he make a mistake".  Some mistake!

All of the above information I got on line.  If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington
Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our "intelligent" members of the press been reporting this?  Because they do not want him to lose the election and this blows my mind, and I am not sure why it does not have that effect on other American Citizens.

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - "Beware of the enemy from within"!!!
"Every Nation that has fallen, has fallen from within"

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere on the board, but I didn't see it on this thread, so here's McCain's latest ACORN ad:

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Here's a bribed 'voter' admitting to registering 72 times. Likely he dropped the number to make it look 'reasonable'. It's clear to which party all his votes are all going.


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Part two is just to the right of the video!  ;)

Who knows? The way I see it... if someone from any side of the aisle wanted to sabotage ACORN all they'd have to do is register over and over as the party they wanted to incriminate and then blow the whistle, point fingers and cry foul.

As a leader of a party or the country it's important to show a calm steady hand and level head during troubling times... Not insight a riot... I'm troubled by the way the republican party is using fear tactics in an attempt to win yet another election.... It's the same tactics they used when they screamed "Weapons of mass destruction"

I can't recall who on the board uses the tag line but it is very relevant during this campaign. "Adversity does not build character, it reveals it."

I was on the fence with my vote.... but after watching McCains Campaign unfold with all of the hate and fear speech.. I'm more and more apt to vote for another candidate.

with warm regards,
Tony

wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 4:28pm:

"Adversity does not build character, it reveals it."

That'd be Deej. :)

wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 4:28pm:

Who knows? The way I see it... if someone from any side of the aisle wanted to sabotage ACORN all they'd have to do is register over and over as the party they wanted to incriminate and then blow the whistle, point fingers and cry foul.

Do you watch the news, Tony?

All these people are pointing at Acorn!....LOL ;)

So, you can't talk about the reasons to be afraid of Obama, period.  How crazy is that?  I am glad McCain has finally started talking about why we NEED to be scared of this guy. He is not the Messiah.

If he wants the job as President, why doesn't he have to answer any questions about his past?

Do you personally know any person who has bombed a building, ever?

If you did, would you do business with them?  Sit on a board with them?  Have a fund raiser in their house?

Pretty simple questions, but we aren't allowed to ask them.

Yeah, it's all fear mongering.

I'm afraid.

wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 4:28pm:

but after watching McCains Campaign unfold with all of the hate and fear speech..

In the words of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, no, no, no........It aint hate and fear, its truth! ;)

wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 5:04pm:

<snip> Do you personally know any person who has bombed a building, ever? If you did, would you do business with them?  Sit on a board with them?  Have a fund raiser in their house? Pretty simple questions, but we aren't allowed to ask them. Yeah, it's all fear mongering. I'm afraid.

Can you say 'Shock and Awe"?
I guess you just answered your own question.... Mission accomplished!

ROFLMFAO

with warm regards,
Tony

[quote author=45445F584E42454D4E474F2B0 link=1223568739/25#39 date=1223667001]Here's a bribed 'voter' admitting to registering 72 times. Likely he dropped the number to make it look 'reasonable'. It's clear to which party all his votes are all going.


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Did you bother to read the article?  Is your grey matter working? He applied 72 times with the same information - which gets him one vote.  The information you provided was not proof of any attempt to steal the elections - to the contrary, it was proof that someone was stealing money from Acorn.

Financial incentives led some of the canvassers to improperly get anyone to fill out a form, to have people fill out multiple forms, and to fill out forms with fictitious names - the more forms they turned in, the more they got paid.  That is fraudulent and should be prosecuted - to protect the election process, and to protect the employer who was victimized by their actions (Acorn).  But it's not likely that any one called Mick E. Maus, Joe D. Maggio and 'djfdksdl dkfjsdldfds' will show up to vote.

monty wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 5:37pm:

[quote author=45445F584E42454D4E474F2B0 link=1223568739/25#39 date=1223667001]Here's a bribed 'voter' admitting to registering 72 times. Likely he dropped the number to make it look 'reasonable'. It's clear to which party all his votes are all going. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE Did you bother to read the article?  Is your grey matter working? He applied 72 times with the same information - which gets him one vote.  The information you provided was not proof of any attempt to steal the elections - to the contrary, it was proof that someone was stealing money from Acorn. Financial incentives led some of the canvassers to improperly get anyone to fill out a form, to have people fill out multiple forms, and to fill out forms with fictitious names - the more forms they turned in, the more they got paid.  That is fraudulent and should be prosecuted - to protect the election process, and to protect the employer who was victimized by their actions (Acorn).  But it's not likely that any one called Mick E. Maus, Joe D. Maggio and 'djfdksdl dkfjsdldfds' will show up to vote.

I guess all the charges of voter fraud in the past means nothing, right?

::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 5:47pm:

I guess all the charges of voter fraud in the past means nothing, right? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

No, I wouldn't say that.  Regardless of party or who is running, I think elections should be fair. I am for requiring an ID card to vote.  There needs to be oversight of who votes, and how the votes are counted.


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Hack-a-vote: Students Learn How Vulnerable Electronic Voting Really Is ScienceDaily (Oct. 8, 2008) — Undergraduate and graduate students in an advanced computer security course at Rice University in Houston are learning hands-on just how easy it is to wreak havoc on computer software used in today's voting machines. As part of his advanced computer science class, Rice University Associate Professor and Director of Rice's Computer Security Lab Dan Wallach tests his students in a unique real-life experiment: They are instructed to do their very best to rig a voting machine in the classroom. Here's how the experiment works: Wallach splits his class into teams. In phase one, the teams pretend to be unscrupulous programmers at a voting machine company. Their task: Make subtle changes to the machines' software -- changes that will alter the election's outcome but that cannot be detected by election officials. In the second phase of the experiment, the teams are told to play the part of the election's software regulators. Their task is to certify the code submitted by another team in the first phase of the class. "What we've found is that it's very easy to insert subtle changes to the voting machine," Wallach said. "If someone has access and wants to do damage, it's very straightforward to do it."

monty wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 5:54pm:

wrote on Oct 10th, 2008 at 5:47pm: I guess all the charges of voter fraud in the past means nothing, right? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) No, I wouldn't say that.  Regardless of party or who is running, I think elections should be fair. I am for requiring an ID card to vote.  There needs to be oversight of who votes, and how the votes are counted. Quote: Hack-a-vote: Students Learn How Vulnerable Electronic Voting Really Is ScienceDaily (Oct. 8, 2008) — Undergraduate and graduate students in an advanced computer security course at Rice University in Houston are learning hands-on just how easy it is to wreak havoc on computer software used in today's voting machines. As part of his advanced computer science class, Rice University Associate Professor and Director of Rice's Computer Security Lab Dan Wallach tests his students in a unique real-life experiment: They are instructed to do their very best to rig a voting machine in the classroom. Here's how the experiment works: Wallach splits his class into teams. In phase one, the teams pretend to be unscrupulous programmers at a voting machine company. Their task: Make subtle changes to the machines' software -- changes that will alter the election's outcome but that cannot be detected by election officials. In the second phase of the experiment, the teams are told to play the part of the election's software regulators. Their task is to certify the code submitted by another team in the first phase of the class. "What we've found is that it's very easy to insert subtle changes to the voting machine," Wallach said. "If someone has access and wants to do damage, it's very straightforward to do it."

Then I guess your post was crap, seeing that you didnt take into (or forgot to)consideration that acorn has been under investigation for years, no?

wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 5:35pm:

wrote on Oct 10th, 2008 at 5:04pm: <snip> Do you personally know any person who has bombed a building, ever? If you did, would you do business with them?  Sit on a board with them?  Have a fund raiser in their house? Pretty simple questions, but we aren't allowed to ask them. Yeah, it's all fear mongering. I'm afraid. Can you say 'Shock and Awe"? I guess you just answered your own question.... Mission accomplished! ROFLMFAO with warm regards, Tony

Scuse me, but... huh?  Funny how the questions never do get answered.  Is that because the questions are off limits?

Wow, all this anti-Obama.  What about McCain? He has nowhere near a clean past.  Basically everything Obama's being accused of can be thrown right back at McCain.  What about the litigations concerning voter fraud with the machines that is linked to Karl Rove?  Karl Rove actually included a journalist in the mass emails he sent out to all his "cronies" which included thousands and thousands of names of urban minorities in high democratic areas.  The GOP in Michigan said they're planning on refusing to allow people who are on the foreclosure list to vote.  They also said there would be police present to arrest anyone who has a warrant in hopes that poor democratic minorities don't even show up.  

Everyone's talking about how 'scared' they are because Obama seems more socialist.  A little socialism doesn't hurt when the country's falling apart.  I admit, there is a very fine line between socialism and communism though.  What worries me is all the power Bush has already given himself.  Someone said vote McCain to counter the democratic congress....McCain would still have incredible powers and whether he wants to admit it or not, he's voted with Bush 90% of the time, he'd be like Bush on steroids.  He's an angry, war-hungry old man.  He's already accomplished pissing off Russia and he's not even in office yet.  

This may be a little off topic, but what a lot of people aren't realizing is that we're on a very fast ride to fascism.  Bush has already given himself power to declare martial law, subsequently putting the Constitution aside (that would mean no election and no new president taking office).  FEMA officials said that the Bush administration is currently putting the final touches on the plan to declare martial law, including triggers:  economic collapse with massive social unrest, bank closures resulting in violence against financial institutions, and another fraudulent presidential election that would result in rioting in major cities and campuses around the country, that if the United States defaults on loans and debt underwriting from China, Japan, and Russia, all of which are propping up the United States government financially, and the United States unilaterally cancels the debts, America can expect a war that will have disastrous results for the United States and the world and that the federal government will be forced to drastically raise taxes in order to pay off debts to foreign countries to the point that the American people will react with a popular revolution against the government.  As of October 1, there's an Army Brigade stationed in the US to assist FEMA and local law enforcement.  

Audre wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 6:47pm:

Karl Rove

Thats like bringing up Bush, but Bush aint running!  :-*

Audre wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 6:47pm:

Everyone's talking about how 'scared' they are because Obama seems more socialist.  A little socialism doesn't hurt when the country's falling apart.  I admit, there is a very fine line between socialism and communism though.  What worries me is all the power Bush has already given himself.  Someone said vote McCain to counter the democratic congress....McCain would still have incredible powers and whether he wants to admit it or not, he's voted with Bush 90% of the time, he'd be like Bush on steroids.  He's an angry, war-hungry old man.  He's already accomplished pissing off Russia and he's not even in office yet.

Wow....I can't believe I just read that from someone who is a US citizen and has read the Declaration and the Constitution....WOW.....I'm dumbfounded.....

This is what it has come down to boys and girls...

No matter how you slice it, we are living in interesting times, and everybody is seeing this whole drama through colored glasses.

Edited to add:  "A little socialism doesn't hurt"... I just don't even have the words to respond to that without a long rant... I'll save it.

wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 6:50pm:

Audre wrote on Oct 10th, 2008 at 6:47pm:  Karl Rove    Thats like bringing up Bush, but Bush aint running!  :-*

"In 2004, the compiled tabulation of Ohio's electronic vote was deisgned for Secretary of State Blackwell by Michael Connell, a Bush family loyalist who programmed the Bush-Cheney web site in the 2000 election. Connell directed the Ohio vote count to servers in a basement in Chattanooga, Tennessee, which also housed e-mail traffic for the White House. Thousands of emails from Karl Rove and other key Bush Administration operatives have mysteriously disappeared from servers in this basement. Many worked side-by-side with the Connell-designed ones to which Ohio's official election results were outsourced, under supervision by Rove and Blackwell.

Like Rove, Connell now works for the McCain/Palin campaign. An IT associate, Steve Spoonamore, himself a McCain supporter, has stated that Connell's IT apparatus can be used to steal elections. Attempts to force Connell to testify under oath have thus far been successfully resisted by the GOP."

Cat, I'm not saying let's throw out the Constitution.  I'm meaning that, as we can tell by the bailout, the the current government isn't about the people, it's about these big businesses and their own pockets.  It wouldn't hurt us to do something for the people, for once, to stimulate the economy and jobs.  If you look at Michigan, before everything hit the fan, we had the highest unemployment rate and foreclosures.  Bailing out these financial institutions does nothing for Michigan's economy.  JOBS, JOBS, JOBS.  There's already socialistic examples in the US, why is it bad to do something to help curb what a lot are saying is going to turn into a depression?  

Audre wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 7:34pm:

Cat, I'm not saying let's throw out the Constitution.  I'm meaning that, as we can tell by the bailout, the the current government isn't about the people, it's about these big businesses and their own pockets.  It wouldn't hurt us to do something for the people, for once, to stimulate the economy and jobs.  If you look at Michigan, before everything hit the fan, we had the highest unemployment rate and foreclosures.  Bailing out these financial institutions does nothing for Michigan's economy.  JOBS, JOBS, JOBS.  There's already socialistic examples in the US, why is it bad to do something to help curb what a lot are saying is going to turn into a depression?

Audre, you have to understand where my position comes from, look north.  I am Canadian, I moved to the US over 10 years ago when I married my husband who is in the military.  I've studied the declaration, the constitution, the federalist papers and even the communist manifesto.  I come from a socialist country.  It's a far walk away from communism, and many provinces will tell you just how broken socialism is.  Health care is a fine example - people who have money in Ontario go to Michigan to PAY for health care because the waiting list is so long in Ontario.  My mother has waited TWO YEARS for a breast biopsy for a lump when she has had her sister and 3 aunts die from breast cancer - but she wasn't classified as an urgent case.  Then there's the welfare system, which when I left was being revamped to what was called 'workfare' and from what I know it has had some good changes made.  To think a little socialism is a good thing is a way to open the flood gates to a lot more.  It's the equivalent to saying we don't use the letter V that much, so lets get rid of all the V's in the Constitution - inevitably, it will lead to more and more and more and before long that document won't be worth more than toilet paper.

That would be the biggest crime of the last 2 centuries that I can see - having studied them extensively, and been able to examine them from an outside perspective the Declaration, preamble and Constitution are some of the greatest writings and documents I've ever had the benefit of reading.

Because my naturalization has been delayed and delayed, I normally stay out of political threads.  But ask any Canadian who stayed home when the 2 major politcal parties both sucked - and we ended up with the Bloc Quebecois - the separatist party who wanted Quebec to secede from Canada - as the minority government - that's the equivalent to the senate being one major party and the congress being a separatist or similar type of off track party.  Sometimes it's better to pick your poison than let someone else pick it for you.

Cat

If Obama wins in Nov we will have an Obama-nation  ;D when we head further down the path of socialism.  Kiss your individual freedoms good by.  You will become the worker ant.  (or more so)

-P.

wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 7:24pm:

This is what it has come down to boys and girls... No matter how you slice it, we are living in interesting times, and everybody is seeing this whole drama through colored glasses.

Bingo, give the man a prize ;)

wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 7:24pm:

This is what it has come down to boys and girls... No matter how you slice it, we are living in interesting times, and everybody is seeing this whole drama through colored glasses. Edited to add:  "A little socialism doesn't hurt"... I just don't even have the words to respond to that without a long rant... I'll save it.

Nope FB it doesn't hurt......it kills like a cancer.....from the inside out!
Strip away the individuality of a society, take away the will-the need to better ones self and you get worker ants!

-P.

Audre wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 6:47pm:

A little socialism doesn't hurt when the country's falling apart.

Do me a favor and do not vote this year.

I have a son about the age of Obama and I just want to throw in a line here.... When my son was in boarding school he had a room-mate from Pakistan. My son was invited to visit Pakistan and Zermish's family there (his father was a high goverment official). Things happened and Buddy never got over there, but I thought it would have be a great educational trip for him (they offered the ticket). Zermish visited our home numerous times and we thought nothing about it and enjoyed him. He and Buddy stayed in touch for a number of years after school.

I don't think my son is a terrorist or has leanings toward it and would be offended if anyone even hinted at it.

What I'm getting at is that sometimes things taken out of context (or that you just don't know the whole story) is just not how it "really" was and might not be the "whole" truth and just looks "odd" to someone who doesn't know what "really" happened.

Lordy! My mom and I met a guy in Frankfort one year from Syria and she (for some reason) gave him a business card and for about 10 years she got a card every year about New Year's in Arabic from him. does that make her a terrorist?

Oh well, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I've got mine.

Hugs BD

And if we all related what happens with the movers and shakers in this world only to our own personal lives, why lordy be, they'd all be just as nice as pie. Truth is we all lead relatively sheltered lives. I've grown to be quite thankful for that.

The FBI is hip-deep in their multiple investigations right now. Let's let 'em do their work. My take is that this is bigger than any of us can fathom right now.

BarbaraD wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 11:05am:

What I'm getting at is that sometimes things taken out of context (or that you just don't know the whole story) is just not how it "really" was and might not be the "whole" truth and just looks "odd" to someone who doesn't know what "really" happened.

Melissa wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 10:22am:

Do me a favor and do not vote this year.

It might be unknown though if Audre was actually a Ron Paul supporter and asked not to vote.  Just a change of thought.
 

Kevin_M wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 11:48am:

Melissa wrote on Oct 11th, 2008 at 10:22am: Do me a favor and do not vote this year. It might be unknown though if Audre was actually a Ron Paul supporter and asked not to vote.  Just a change of thought.

Thank you Kevin, for the thought change.  I guess I was just really taken aback at the statement.  It pissed me off and clouded my rational thinking.

I'm sorry Audre, I really didn't mean for you not to vote, but what I really meant was please do not make such statements unless you really, truely mean it.

I'm sorry, it just scared the crap out of me. :(

BTW, I don't care if Audre supports Ron Paul or not, but I do care that people recognize how the 2 party system is ruining our country and taking away our civil liberties until we have none left.

Kevin_M wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 11:48am:

Melissa wrote on Oct 11th, 2008 at 10:22am: Do me a favor and do not vote this year. It might be unknown though if Audre was actually a Ron Paul supporter and asked not to vote.  Just a change of thought.

For a Ron Paul supporter to make a statement like "A little socialism doesn't hurt...", (s)he would have to be at least a little bit schizo.  That'd be about like the President of M.A.D.D. saying that a little bit of drunk driving is OK as long as you only do it on weekends.  :-?

Regards,
Jim

There is a lot of equal wavering about using a vote on third party.  It's not election day yet.  I didn't see many helpful responses following other than knowing now which way an expression can elicit the hardest responses to want to identify with.

Here is a blog post that was made back in 2005 that I tend to agree with on what is wrong with socialism.

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Wow.  Pick out one part of what I said and blow it out of proportion without reading what else I said about it.  That's pretty closed minded.  Again, I am NOT saying that socialism itself is a good thing, but some sort of socialist program to help the country when the economy is crumbling will do more good than bad.  There are socialistic programs here, mainly the public schools.  Should we do away with all public schools because socialism is bad? No, that's stupid.  Socialism as a whole is bad, yes, but there are certain programs that would be beneficial.  

I do, in fact, support Ron Paul, he's a very intelligent man.  But I also think that there are some things that the government should step in and help people, i.e., when the economy's failing, jobs are lost, people are out on the streets and on the verge of a big panic.  

I have a right to my opinion, though I may not have portrayed it as clearly as I intended, please don't patronize me and tell me not to vote or that I'm schizo.  I don't have to agree 100% with everything Ron Paul says to still support him.  

Audre wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 1:05pm:

I have a right to my opinion

You damn right you do!  8-)

note to self

re: thoughts about posting on political threads

1) political positions can rarely clearly be described without an enormous amount of context, caveats, history lessons, and quite possibly a healthy degree of bloviating... this can't be done in every post so misinterpretations and misunderstandings are guaranteed to happen.

2) politics (like religion) causes a lot of emotions to boil to the surface, and highly emotional people tend to post in the heat of the moment, and therefore with less forethought and less ability to consider the many possible meanings of the original poster... in other words, the first thing that grabs them and triggers some emotional response is what gets the response no matter what the original poster intended or meant

3) some people can have political discussions without getting their nose bent, keeping it contained and remaining the best of friends... a lot of people are not built this way

4) no matter what I say about politics, I love all of you and we are all in this cluster thing together, supporters and all.  I truly hope the people who are offended by political discussions or the views I express don't read these things.

As an example, I think Charlie is a fine man even though we rarely agree on anything politically.  I'd give him my last dollar if he needed it.  I just hope the FBI doesn't consider me a terrorist for knowing him.  ;)

Anyway... back to the show

Well Audre, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because I strongly believe that the federal government has no right to interfere in such matters and that it should be left up to our state governments to do so.

~mel

Melissa wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 1:40pm:

the federal government has no right to interfere in such matters and that it should be left up to our state governments to do so. ~mel

Agreed.  The states are supposed to have the power.  The only problem now is the states are broke.  In fact, 31 states are.  I'm not sure exactly what's in it, but the Governor of Michigan said she just signed a bill to create 40,000 jobs in the energy independence field.  

Fubar --  :-* :-* :-* Bring on the Feds... I'll argue with them too.. and my money's on Charlie... :)  They don't have a chance with him...

The funny part - when I was growing up I learned to argue with Dad at the coffee shop and could take any viewpoint as long as it disagreed with the "majority" sitting around the table... I'd been gone about 30 years and went back to the coffee shop in my hometown and the old guys were all agreeing - It just came natural to start disagreeing and boy did it get some blood pressurers up. They had a great time. One of the "newbies" got mad and the "old guys" had to straighten him out (after they quit laughing).

I've been watching both sides for the past decade (has it only been months - seems like decades) and giving them BOTH advice on what they should have done or said (to the TV of course). I just think it's fun...

Of course if they'd listen to me...  ::) ::)

Hugs BD

LMAO... ;D

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wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 3:02pm:

This is called food for thought....Think about it !!! And the final bit of news.  On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos.  Obama on talking about his religion said, " My Muslim faith".  When questioned, "did he make a mistake".  Some mistake! [/b]

Although I'll be right behind Mel in the 3rd party voting booth, I would like one question answered.

So what if Obama is a Muslim?

So what if he's been funded by people in the middle east?
What can they possibly have in mind? End the war in Iraq? Don't go to war in Iran?
We certainly won't be forced to read the Koran or put up street signs in Arabic.

Nothing gets past congress that it doesn't want to get past.

This country isn't being destroyed by Muslims. Its being destroyed by Bankers and Wall Street at the moment.

Should the Muslims in the US be complaining that McCain gets money from anyone from the Episcopal church or anyone of Scotch or Irish heritage?

I seem to remember the fear mongering when one particular President was of the Catholic faith. How'd that turn out as far as the Presidents go?

Vote McCain and we'll have an Irish pub on every corner serving Scotch Whiskey.....??

Which might be good since we're all going to need plenty of alcohol, no matter who gets in.

Bobw

I won't be happy until we build a new 4 story prison with 547 cells on each floor.
1st floor, 547 top staff members/aides of congress and the cabinet. Every time someone new gets elected, its the aides that tell them what to do, at least for the first year.
2nd floor has the 547 members of the government in DC.
3rd floor has 1094 (pack em two deep) of bankers and CEOs and Wall Street idiots that continue to play games with our lives.
4th floor, house 547 non-violent drug offenders for the final week before their parole, so they can urinate down upon every one of them.

Just spent my last 2 cents  :-/

Pinkfloyd wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 3:21pm:

So what if he's been funded by people in the middle east?

Its against the law....remember the LAW, Bob?.....its what we live by!  ::) ::)

Barack Obama's newly appointed Muslim outreach adviser is coming under fire for meeting with Islamic groups with extremist views, just two months after her predecessor resigned over links to a radical cleric.

Click MORE for the whole story.

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What strikes me is all the the categories (roughly 12 different ones I spotted) that have no business being in the governmental purview at all!  

The things this socialist wrecking ball believes we should capitulate to are astounding.

wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 1:29pm:

note to self re: thoughts about posting on political threads 1) political positions can rarely clearly be described without an enormous amount of context, caveats, history lessons, and quite possibly a healthy degree of bloviating... this can't be done in every post so misinterpretations and misunderstandings are guaranteed to happen. 2) politics (like religion) causes a lot of emotions to boil to the surface, and highly emotional people tend to post in the heat of the moment, and therefore with less forethought and less ability to consider the many possible meanings of the original poster... in other words, the first thing that grabs them and triggers some emotional response is what gets the response no matter what the original poster intended or meant 3) some people can have political discussions without getting their nose bent, keeping it contained and remaining the best of friends... a lot of people are not built this way 4) no matter what I say about politics, I love all of you and we are all in this cluster thing together, supporters and all.  I truly hope the people who are offended by political discussions or the views I express don't read these things. As an example, I think Charlie is a fine man even though we rarely agree on anything politically.  I'd give him my last dollar if he needed it.  I just hope the FBI doesn't consider me a terrorist for knowing him.  ;) Anyway... back to the show

Shawn,

I would have to agree with you strongly.  Some of the people I respect most and would most like to get to know here are the ones I disagree with on issues.

What you said in "4)" is basically what I posted a few days ago in "We are Blessed", and I still feel that strongly.  While we argue and differ on outside issues there is not a group anywhere that I would rather have at my back.

Jerry

The Boss-Daley style Chicago hooliganism and shenanigans in the Obama campaign has risen to such a level that even the pro-Obama New York Times cannot ignore it any longer.

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Pinkfloyd wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 3:21pm:

wrote on Oct 10th, 2008 at 3:02pm: This is called food for thought....Think about it !!! And the final bit of news.  On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos.  Obama on talking about his religion said, " My Muslim faith".  When questioned, "did he make a mistake".  Some mistake! [/b] Although I'll be right behind Mel in the 3rd party voting booth, I would like one question answered. So what if Obama is a Muslim?

Since he claims to believe in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, if he was a Muslim, that would make him a liar and a fraud.  Watch the interview at Saddleback Presidential Forum.  If that man is a Muslim, NOONE should vote for him.

Honestly, had he admitted to being a Muslim and never claimed to be a Christian, your question might be more interesting.  If he is a Muslim, then at this point all Americans should vote McCain.

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You be the judge.  ;)

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OK Obama fans.  Help me out here.  I watched this thing and in all seriousness some of these relationships are very troublesome.  I was planning to vote McCain at this point but I always try to find out as much as I can.  So, if any of you have links to Obama's response or information about these people, please put it here.

In all honesty, I fully understand Hannity and Fox being very right of center BUT it would be nice to see these issues addressed by Obama.  

Oh no you di'int... you can't be askin' questions at this point Fram!  You racist, fear mongering facist!   :D

wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 7:32pm:

Oh no you di'int... you can't be askin' questions at this point Fram!  You racist, fear mongering facist!   :D

OK fubar... show me 1 '?' in my post!!  There are no questions asked.  Just a statement.

See, not a racist, facist, or any other cist!

FramCire wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 7:23pm:

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Thats just it, he never responds....how can anyone respond for him?.....How? ;)

Sadly, it would take me a week to look at all the video stuff. If, in the future, I get broadband, maybe. Anyway,

I'm not so worried about Sarah Palin's troopergate gaff. It's peanuts. They all do it.  (Of course here in New York, we wrote the guidebooks on it)  That doesn't bug me about Barbie. It's that I can only watch her from behind the couch. She makes me sick. What she has done to McCain makes me sicker. Woe to the GOP if she becomes a serious party leader. Dangerous.

I have to thank Fubar and the rest of you for being so nice to me and my deteriorations. You people are good for my circulation.

Okay:

The United States has its share of rather successful....if modified....socialistic systems. Nothing too dangerous.

The type of vitriol coming from the campaigns is startling. I don't mean the negative stuff. That's always around. What I find troubling is the screeching of some McCain supporters at the rallies and not just the one the other day. They make it sound that the only way to save world from Obama in the matter of super hero video games. It sounds scary to me. I hope it's rarer than we are led to believe.

Since I had to cut back on cable tv, I don't get any national news channels. The closest I come is PBS. While I plan to get it back someday, it's been interesting to get most of my political information from my local paper and The Buffalo News. Newspapers are nice filters for terrible stories and politics. They know what is national news too. They don't need to follow car chases on the other side of the continent to get readers. It's been strange to keep up with such a big political story without all the pundits though.... :-/

Charlie

wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 1:29pm:

note to self re: thoughts about...

Nice post, Fu.

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95% tax relief, right!

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There are some really stupid people out there (Caution: a few swear words in this clip)

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The laughs keep on coming!  ;D

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The government should NOT force a redistribution of wealth!