LOL - turns out McCain has a long history of supporting ACORN.

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Photo: Senator McCain attending an ACORN event in Florida, which was co-sponsored by the Catholic Archdiocese.

"Bertha Lewis, Acorn's chief organizer, said in a statement that came with the photo, “It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans."

”We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform," she said."

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Well Monty, at least McCane wasn’t there to plan the training of booted thugs to go out and pressure the local banks in Chicago to make sub prime loans to the hood.

Roland. ::)

or helping ACORN sue Illinois (Obama was their lawyer)

Lol.
Has McCain been bad-mouthing ACORN?  I haven't heard him.  But that would be pretty damn funny.

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The beleaguered Democratic-leaning community group Acorn sends over this photograph: John McCain, in March of 2006, sitting beside Florida Rep. Kendrick Meek at an event Acorn co-sponsored in Florida. The immigration event, which other photos show was packed with red-shirted Acorn member, was co-sponsored by the local Catholic Archdiocese, the SEIU, and other groups. McCain, still spiting much of his party on immigration at the time, was the headliner.

I'm lost here.  So, McCain was at an event about immigration CO-sponsored by ACORN (and 3 other groups) and that makes him an ACORN supporter?

Interesting.

He was also on a committee that gave a large donation to ACORN when Obama was chairman - to fund education (which Obama Chairmanship covered - Ayers was NOT on that committee).

Go to Factcheck - it's got the WHOLE story....

I believe I'm starting to sense glee that both major presidential candidates have ties to an organization that's being investigated by the Feds in 14 states for serious allegations of voter fraud.

Am I in the f'n twilight zone?

Lot's of Republicans heart Acorn!!


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Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, for example, partnered with ACORN in March 2008 for a "Homeownership Promotes The Economy" taskforce. More recently, Crist declared that -- contrary to GOP outrage -- he was not upset with the group's voter registration efforts in his state. ... In July 2005, meanwhile, another Republican governor, Rick Perry of Texas, signed ACORN's Lending Law Reform Bill that changed the state's homelending practices. In July 2008, California Governor and McCain supporter Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill that ACORN helped draft aimed at California homeowners facing foreclosure. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE

Looks like moderate and centrist Republicans don't see Acorn as an evil conspiracy, even if their campaign advertising team does!

Everyone... we all know who we're not voting for, right?  So what does posting all the crap about those who we're not going to vote for DO exactly??  Just wondering.... :-/

monty wrote on Oct 14^th, 2008 at 8:02am:

Lot's of Republicans heart Acorn!! Looks like moderate and centrist Republicans don't see Acorn as an evil conspiracy, even if their campaign advertising team does!

There's that glee again.

I need to get away from this place for awhile.

Just like a divorce -- Three sides - his side, her side and the TRUTH...

wrote on Oct 14^th, 2008 at 8:17am:

There's that glee again. I need to get away from this place for awhile.

Good - maybe go reflect on your previous posts were you kept telling us that Hillary was going to mount a fight at the convention and wrestle the nomination away from Obama - it was a far right delusion, detached from reality. Just like the Acorn hyperbole.  The Republican Party has (like the Democratic Party) broken various election laws in all 50 states - the solution is to punish people who break the law, not rail against one group or the other as an illegal conspiracy.

The glee?  Its from seeing the current whisper campaign unwind when its lies are exposed.  Acorn is not the boogie man that the wingnuts want us to believe.

monty wrote on Oct 14^th, 2008 at 8:02am:

Lot's of Republicans heart Acorn!! Quote: Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, for example, partnered with ACORN in March 2008 for a "Homeownership Promotes The Economy" taskforce. More recently, Crist declared that -- contrary to GOP outrage -- he was not upset with the group's voter registration efforts in his state. ... In July 2005, meanwhile, another Republican governor, Rick Perry of Texas, signed ACORN's Lending Law Reform Bill that changed the state's homelending practices. In July 2008, California Governor and McCain supporter Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill that ACORN helped draft aimed at California homeowners facing foreclosure. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE Looks like moderate and centrist Republicans don't see Acorn as an evil conspiracy, even if their campaign advertising team does!

OK, so signing a bill authored by a group is an endorsement of the group?  WOW.  I thought the idea in voting for a bill was voting for a bill (or signing it) not the people or person who authored it.

I guess if Ted Kennedy co-sponsors a bill that any Republican who voted for it must be a HUGE liberal and supporter of the Democrats.

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Mickey Mouse Tries to Register to Vote The cartoon character's application, which included a stamped logo of ACORN, was rejected by Florida elections officials over the summer.

Oh Lordy Bob -- now we're gonna have animal activist rights groups in this mess -- don't mouses have rights too.... :-*

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ACORN Acknowledges Voter Fraud, Blames a Few 'Bad Apples' ACORN leaders acknowledge that there has been voter registration fraud, but they say it is not as bad as voter suppression and intimidation that they say has occurred in previous elections.

Turns out that this has been exaggerated to an incredible degree by desperate lunatic right bloggers on the internet. It's a much smaller story than that although it finally showed up on NBC.

One reason it sticks around is the frenetic scramble of cable news hounds to sell viagra on FOX, CNN and MSNBC. It won't go away until after the elections and then all those Republican lawyer's pre-programmed lawsuits may come into play. Not pretty.

Of course it takes actual voting fraud to get into real trouble. What we have now falls under the category of stupidity.

Charlie

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a voter registration form a legal document?

If so, those collecting the registration forms have no choice but to submit said form to the Registrar, whether or not it purports to come from Mickey Mouse.  It's the Registrar's job to determine whether or not Mickey is or is not going to be a registered voter.

If those collecting registration forms are encouraging people in some fashion to register under a false identity, that's definitely worth looking into, and entirely improper.  If they are simply encouraging people to register, and collecting registration forms and some folks are purporting to be Mickey Mouse, that's something else again.

I guess I'm not clear which it is.  

Best,

George

From the report I got ACORN caught this so called fraud and brought it to the attention of the powers that be. The ones being investigated are PEOPLE  that worked for ACORN - not ACORN itself.

Obama's connection to this was (along with the Justice Dept) 13 years ago to get voter registration in the DMV so you could register to vote when you renewed you Driver's license.

McCain was featured speaker at the ACORN convention in 2006.

In Texas and AR the cemeteries have been voting for years (I think Huckelbee mentioned this also). Maybe this "investigation" will stop some of that.

I really think if Mickey Mouse showed up at the polls there would be someone who would contest the vote (surely?). Hell, I've had my vote contested because of where I lived (I had two houses and the opposing side wanted to make an example out of me - they lost).

Hugs BD

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LOL - turns out McCain has a long history of supporting ACORN.

Let's see, McCain spoke at an event (not an ACORN convention Barb) about immigration.  The event was co-sponsored by the Catholic Archdiocese, SIEU, ACORN and others.  I'm still looking for the "long history" of support for ACORN?

BarbaraD wrote on Oct 15^th, 2008 at 8:26am:

In Texas and AR the cemeteries have been voting for years (I think Huckelbee mentioned this also). Maybe this "investigation" will stop some of that.

In Louisiana, we've seen some reform in recent years - I hear they've passed a law that a dead person is now limited to a single vote. ;D

Lordy, don't let that get out -- TX and AR will be wanting to reform their laws before long too... ;D ;D

Voter fraud, from any side, is the most insidious threat to democracy there is. When one side starts thinking that the only way to win is to cheat - or even out-cheat the other side - the republic is doomed.

Unless it's cleaned up. And I mean sparkling clean.

Unfortunately, I believe we are doomed.

got your guns?

wrote on Oct 15^th, 2008 at 2:20pm:

Voter fraud, from any side, is the most insidious threat to democracy there is. When one side starts thinking that the only way to win is to cheat - or even out-cheat the other side - the republic is doomed. Unless it's cleaned up. And I mean sparkling clean. Unfortunately, I believe we are doomed.

I agree voter-fraud needs to be cleaned up. So how do we do it?

Showing drivers license (or ID) is a start (I don't mind do you?)

But how do you clean up intimidation? Police "guarding" the polling places to keep down riots (yeah right). We had that in GLADEWATER TX - one damn policeman was "helping" people out of their cars and "walking" them into the polls. Took the Sheriff's office to stop that one. Rigged election? Ya betch! And that was only local.

Poll watchers? Of couse we have them. In local elections we've even had them from the state. But we still had problems.

We've had early ballot boxes left at city hall - guess who had keys? And guess who won the early voting? The incumbunts of course! How do you stop that. I'm not really sure - the state of Texas hasn't figured it out yet.

I've gone to vote and seen local party chairmen talking to election judges with badges for their candidates proudly displayed. Isn't that sorta illegal? But it's happening. Back years ago in our town they had CO-election judges - one dem and one repub (usually my dad and his rep counterpart - Ms Joyce). They SAW to it that neither side did anything they shouldn't and we had pretty fair elections. But dad died and Ms Joyce said it wasn't any fun working elections without him to argue with so she quit too and now they've gone to the dogs. Maybe that's a solution. At least you'd know the INSIDE of the polls were run right.

Get standarized ballots - one that everyone can understand. If you can't read - have someone in there that can read them to you - someone working the election without an opinion - tuff one there.

So I've rambled an don't have an answer...

Hugs Bd