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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Cluster Headache Specific >> I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1224253195 Message started by wewcaj on Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:19am |
Title: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by wewcaj on Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:19am
I had a light heart attack in 04 and My Dr. took my imitrex away. Imitrex is the only thing that has ever touched these beasts. I am into a severe group of clusters and was just wondering if anyone else has been able to obtain imitrex and has used it after a heart attack. If you suffer from these beasts you will know why I am grasping at straws and am willing to go against my Dr. advice on the imitrex. Please don't think I am on here looking for drugs.The same Dr. that took my imitrex has me using stadol nasal spray. I used it twice yesterday during a cluster, It had my head all srewed up, I could not even walk straight but it only barely took the edge off the cluster. Any help or opinions on imitrex use after a light heart attack will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Butch, my email is wwatsoniii@triad.rr.com
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Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:23am
I just can't say enough bad shit bout Stadol and I can't say enough good stuff bout oxygen.
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Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by wewcaj on Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:27am
Potter the oxygen will help a litle with my clusters but not do a lot with them. I am an aircraft mechanic so the stadol really sucks when trying to do my job. Thanks for your reply
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Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by gizmo on Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:37am
Have you tried energy drinks?
Oliver |
Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:38am
What is your o2 delivery system?
Potter |
Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by wewcaj on Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:43am
15 liters full bore with a mask with bag on it for rebreathing, I actually today brought some oxygen generators home off one of the airplanes. It is a full mask with a seal you pull over your head. I will let you know how these work.
I haven't tried the energy drinks but a lot of these things get me while I am a sleep. |
Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by gizmo on Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:49am
As soon as the beast wakes you from sleep chug down an energy drink (Red Bull, RockStar, ...).
The drink should have at least 0,4% Taurine and at least 80mg/250ml caffeine. It won't always abort a hit but at least will push it down a bit. Oliver |
Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by gizmo on Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:54am
Forgot to add: you can of course combine the energy drinks with O2!
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Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by Skyhawk5 on Oct 17th, 2008 at 11:31am
Carefull with that Stadol it is also hard on your heart. I know from experience, Imitex and triptans do nothing for me so it has been one of the many. Ever try Prednisone (steriod).
Also many of us have gotten higher output O2 regulators, 25lpm, etc. and I have good results with that. Good luck, SLeepless, Don |
Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by Bob_Johnson on Oct 17th, 2008 at 11:39am
A number of us have had excellent results with this med. Personally, it always works 100% within 20-minutes and, other benefits, are it's in pill form making it easy to care/take, and the cost per dose is less than with Imitrex.
Print this medical journal abstract out. Will help to convince your doc that you are asking for something legit. Headache 2001 Sep;41(8):813-6 Olanzapine as an Abortive Agent for Cluster Headache. Rozen TD. Department of Neurology, Jefferson Headache Center/Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Philadelphia, Pa. OBJECTIVE: To evaluate olanzapine as a cluster headache abortive agent in an open-label trial. BACKGROUND: Cluster headache is the most painful headache syndrome known. There are very few recognized abortive therapies for cluster headache and fewer for patients who have contraindications to vasoconstrictive drugs. METHODS: Olanzapine was given as an abortive agent to five patients with cluster headache in an open-label trial. The initial olanzapine dose was 5 mg, and the dose was increased to 10 mg if there was no pain relief. The dosage was decreased to 2.5 mg if the 5-mg dose was effective but caused adverse effects. To be included in the study, each patient had to treat at least two attacks with either an effective dose or the highest tolerated dose. RESULTS: Five patients completed the investigation (four men, one woman; four with chronic cluster, one with episodic cluster). Olanzapine reduced cluster pain by at least 80% in four of five patients, and two patients became headache-free after taking the drug. Olanzapine typically alleviated pain within 20 minutes after oral dosing and treatment response was consistent across multiple treated attacks. The only adverse event was sleepiness. CONCLUSIONS: Olanzapine appears to be a good abortive agent for cluster headache. It alleviates pain quickly and has a consistent response across multiple treated attacks. It appears to work in both episodic and chronic cluster headache. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Olanzapine has a brand name of "Zyprexa" and is a antipsychotic. Don't be put off by this primary usage. Several of the drugs used to treat CH are cross over applications, that is, drugs approved by the FDA for one purpose which are found to be effective with unrelated conditions--BJ. |
Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by shelticon2 on Oct 17th, 2008 at 12:43pm
Butch,
You're between a rock and a hard place... Sorry man. The only advice that I can give is, whatever you do, run it by your Cardio Doc first. I have used energy drinks with some success. Many of them; however, are loaded full of caffine and taurine. Some studies show that caffine is bad for your heart... On the other hand, there are those that report taurine is good for the cardiovascular system. Maybe it's a wash.... I cannot speak about heart attacks, as I have never had one. But I have had some MAJOR CHs. Even having said that, something inside me tells me to choose the CH over the heart attack. In short, make sure that your GP and cardio doc and you are all on the same page.. I wish you many PFDs. Jim |
Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by on my knees on Oct 17th, 2008 at 2:27pm
don't walk but run from stadol. my opinion from experience.
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Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by wewcaj on Oct 18th, 2008 at 5:55pm
So far today I have been headache free. They have been hitting me around 3:00 PM in my sleep (3rd shifter). I was off work last night so I don't now what to expect tonight. :oI must admit I didn't know what to expect from the red bull but when I awoke yesterday with the beast I did as you said. Chugged the red bull and then went straight to my oxygen. The headache wasn't aborted but was much much less severe than normal.
I am on Prednisone , verapamil plus 2 500mg depakote before bedtime. I don't know if the medicine is starting to work some or if the energy drink is a miracle but let's just say I will not be without RED BULL by my side until these things leave again. Thanks for all of your help and support!!!! |
Title: Re: I need some advice Dr. took my imitrex away Post by gizmo on Oct 19th, 2008 at 4:21am
Well, I don't know either if it were the meds, the Red Bull or a mix of both but I'm glad that it worked.
Oliver |
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