Anyone care to take a guess?  This gave me the willies!! :o

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Biden predicts early crisis will test Obama Posted: 08:00 AM ET From CNN Political Producer Alexander Marquardt Biden predicts Obama will have to make some unpopular decisions in his first six months in office. SEATTLE (CNN) — Joe Biden told Democratic fundraisers Sunday night that there is no doubt in his mind a crisis will occur during Barack Obama's first six months in office that will test his mettle and force him to make unpopular decisions. "Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy," said Biden to a roomful of donors. "The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America." "Remember I said it standing here, if you don't remember anything else I said," Biden continued. "Watch, we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. "I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's going happen. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate." The Delaware senator spoke at two Seattle fundraises Sunday night, expected to bring in $1 million for the campaign. Biden told the supporters that when Obama will need them to stand with the administration on the difficult calls — not financially, but by using their influence within their communities to convince others that the right decisions are being made. "I promise you, you all are going to be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls, why is the polling so down, why is this thing so tough?' We're going have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years," said Biden. "I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us." Telling the crowd to "gird their loins" for a bumpy beginning to the next presidential term, Biden said it wouldn't be initially apparent that the correct decisions are being made because "they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound." Fundraisers are generally closed to the media's cameras, though print journalists are usually allowed in. Biden appeared to forget Sunday night's fundraiser wasn't closed to reporters, saying, "I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here." Moments later, he ended his remarks.

I don't get it. :-/

Biden is the master

Who knows. Politicians aren't much different than soothsayers. No matter what happens he can refer back to a vague statement and say I told you so.

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I agree, Biden does talk a lot.  Seems he was just rambling on using the same kind of scare tactics that the current administration has been using so well to their advantage.  The whole 'something's going to happen and since we're saying something will happen we'll know how to fix it so make sure we're in office to fix it' thing.  But, I do agree with his general idea:  something will happen whether Obama or McCain are in office.  Not only because of the state that not only the U.S. is in but the state of every country - wars, the economies, tensions between countries that could escalate - but also because there's usually always something going on.

Well, it depends...  

It'll either be prescient, or a popcorn fart.

Shoot.  I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, let alone six months from now.

Best,

George

It is kinda silly, isn't it?  You can guarantee that something from Iran, Afghanistan, more Putin stuff, further economy horrors, Iraq surprises, and Pakistan will pop up.

Nobody could have predicted the Cuban missle crisis in 1962.

As an aside:

If you've seen the movies about this thing, they are wildly exaggerated. Nobody headed for shelters. My dad was in volunteer Civil Defense communications at the time but all people did was bite their nails watching Walter Cronkite. It was our Nightly News specticle for a few days though.

Charlie

The first unpopular decision will be when he announces he can't give the tax break that he's been promising, in fact he needs to raise taxes.

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Biden to Supporters: "Gird Your Loins", For the Next President "It's Like Cleaning Augean Stables" Email Share October 20, 2008 7:35 AM ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions. "Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy." "I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right." Not only will the next administration have to deal with foreign affairs issues, Biden warned, but also with the current economic crisis. "Gird your loins," Biden told the crowd. "We're gonna win with your help, God willing, we're gonna win, but this is not gonna be an easy ride. This president, the next president, is gonna be left with the most significant task. It's like cleaning the Augean stables, man. This is more than just, this is more than – think about it, literally, think about it – this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy." The Delaware lawmaker managed to rake in an estimated $1 million total from his two money hauls at the downtown Sheraton, the same hotel where four years ago Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., clinched the Democratic nomination. Despite warning about the difficulties the next administration will face, Biden said the Democratic ticket is equipped to meet the challenges head on. "I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it," the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. "This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us." "There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound." Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden "alive and well" and Pakistan "bristling with nuclear weapons." "You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region," Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. "The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it's real." "We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes," he cautioned. "It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it." After speaking for just over a quarter of an hour, Biden noticed the media presence in the back of the small ballroom. "I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here," he joked. "All kidding aside, these guys have left us in a God-awful place," he then said of the Bush regime, promptly wrapping up his remarks. "We have the ability to straighten it out. It's gonna take a little bit of time, so I ask you to stay with us. Stay with us."

#1- Biden said nothing about if EITHER ticket gets elected they'd face this, he specifically said Obama would.

#2- Biden says we're going to have an international, "generated", crisis.  The fact he is predicting such a thing, scares the crap out of me.

#3- Biden says this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy.  PLEASE tell me that they aren't going to have the government to run the economy??  America has a free market and the more government sticks it's grubby, dirty hands into it, the worse it gets! :(

#4- Biden warns about them going down in the polls in the future.  Another scare tactic?  If Biden is on the ticket, why on God's earth is he saying this?  Wouldn't it be counter-productive??

I just don't get it and I wish I would have never read it. :P

Basically, from what I'm understanding, is that Bush screwed us, a lot of turmoil is going to happen but him and Obama have the answers.  He's scaring them that this is going to happen but soothing them that they have the answers, even though the population won't like the answers but reassuring them they're sound (bailout ring a bell?!).  

I typed out a lot of scenarios that are going around atm as to what could happen, some may call them 'conspiracy theories' but unfortunately it's what's going on.  I decided I wasn't going to post it because it's pretty overwhelming and daunting even though I think more Americans should be aware of what's going on, I think it's a little too much to just throw at you.

Audre- how on earth would you know what is "too much" to throw at me?

BTW, have you seen Zeitgeist Addendum yet?  I did a thread about it a few pages back.  Interesting stuff...

Melissa wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 10:55am:

Audre- how on earth would you know what is "too much" to throw at me?   BTW, have you seen Zeitgeist Addendum yet?  I did a thread about it a few pages back.  Interesting stuff...

lol Because when I was typing it out it was too much for me!  :P

I watched part of it, probably about halfway through or so.  Don't remember what all it was about but I do remember talking about the Federal Reserve.

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#1- Biden said nothing about if EITHER ticket gets elected they'd face this, he specifically said Obama would.

He's assuming success in the election.



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#2- Biden says we're going to have an international, "generated", crisis.  The fact he is predicting such a thing, scares the crap out of me.

History shows that most new Presidents are "tested" by our foes, whoever they happen to be at the time. He's not playing Nostradamus here, it's a pretty safe bet.



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#3- Biden says this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy.  PLEASE tell me that they aren't going to have the government to run the economy??  America has a free market and the more government sticks it's grubby, dirty hands into it, the worse it gets!

He's laying the ground work for more intervention than is needed.



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#4- Biden warns about them going down in the polls in the future.  Another scare tactic?  If Biden is on the ticket, why on God's earth is he saying this?  Wouldn't it be counter-productive??

Not many administrations have stayed high in public opinion polls throughout their whole term. It's not rocket science. Once the new wears off and no quick fixes are forthcoming, the American public gets upset that magic wands do not exist and opinion polls take a southward turn.

Bill, thanks for your explanations.  I was just trying to wrap my brain around why anyone would say such things 14 days before the election and I can see now that he was making some(?) generalizations.

Biden is correct that when young green Presidents first get elected that foreigners tend to test them.  It doesn't happen as much for older and more experienced Presidents.

Biden is also correct that unpopular decisions will have to be made.  Too bad he and Obama aren't willing to say what they will be.  They would rather not admit to the tough decisions that are unpopular until AFTER the election.

Finally, this is the scary part of Biden.  He opens his mouth without thinking.  He is too smart for this and maybe too dumb to be VP.

I'll take Biden; you take Palin

Peggy Noonan said it all on Palin in The Wall Street Journal: “She doesn’t think aloud. She just ... says things.”

Charlie

Charlie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 6:51pm:

I'll take Biden; you take Palin Peggy Noonan said it all on Palin in The Wall Street Journal: “She doesn’t think aloud. She just ... says things.” Charlie

Yeah, just like Biden does, but Biden puts his foot in his mouth every time he does it. Palin does not!.......LMAO ;D

Shall I hold my breath while I wait for Biden to take questions from the press about JUST what he was talking about?........I didnt think so!  ::) ::)

Yeah but he actually does interviews and no matter the gaffs......he's famous for them....you usually learn something. All you learn when Palin speaks is how much smarter everyone else is.

Charlie

Charlie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 7:07pm:

Yeah but he actually does interviews and no matter the gaffs......he's famous for them....you usually learn something. All you learn when Palin speaks is how much smarter everyone else is. Charlie

Yeah, you learn that he didnt know who was president in 1929, he didnt know there was no TV in 1929. You learn that he is the smartest one in the room, because he told a reporter he was. You learn that he does not even know a guy, that hes known for years cant stand up, but asks him to anyways.....LMMFAO!  ;D

Yeah, you learn hes an idiot, thats why he has not answered press questions in weeks.  ::)

Palin answers them before AND after getting off planes. ;)

I guess Bill is right.  What he said sounds like it is a safe bet that history will repeat itself.
Sure seemed weird to me, though.  It seemed like he was laying the groundwork for future failures.  It was like he was asking people to keep their enthusiasm after they fail and don't shun them.  Sure seems weird to me.

I don't like Biden.  He is one of those kinds of people that are just different.  You can't quite put your finger on it, but he is just weird.  He has a kind of UsedCarSalesmanesque type of personality.  

Did you see where he told his 'good buddy' Chuck Graham to stand up?  Chuck is in a wheelchair.  He didn't know his good friend is in a wheelchair?

He's just another politician.........



ETA: Hey, fuck you Jonny.  I said it first.   ;D

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 7:47pm:

ETA: Hey, fuck you Jonny.  I said it first.   ;D

LMMFAO!!!!....I love you too!  :-*.... ;)

Ha.  Jonny, I think you're one of those charmed by her "beauty".  Do you actually listen to anything she says?  

Biden may have put his foot in his mouth a few (well, a lot), but hate me for it or not, she's unintelligent.  Her mistakes are not mistakes, they're plain ignorance and major problems.  She has foreign policy because she can see Russia in Alaska??  She keeps a watchful eye on Putin as he "rears his ugly head" in Alaskan skies and does fake trades with Russia.  She has this scary assumption that the VP is part of Congress and can "help pass beneficial bills" and has a lot of freedom within the Constitution for her role in Congress if she so chooses to exert it??  She wants to have a Federal bill banning gay marriages, completely taking away that power to the States to decide.  And most importantly the HATE she is riling up in her speeches, dividing people when it's the last thing we need to be doing right now.  

One of the reasons Biden probably said what he said can be that.  The U.S. itself is in a very weak state, 2 nonproductive wars that's draining our economy, our economy in shambles along with many other powerful allies, while the Middle East economies that we've put sanctions and high tariffs on are thriving, and this hate and dividedness is making us weaker especially if Obama were to take office because she's throwing it all on him and his supporters (well, anyone against McCain, really).

I think it will be China calling in their loans, right now! We'd be fucked to say the least.

Jimmers

Audre wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 7:56pm:

She wants to have a Federal bill banning gay marriages, completely taking away that power to the States to decide.

Since when does a VP make laws?.....She cant ban shit, now can she?  ;)

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VP can break ties in the Senate. Not much more BUT: It's this horror of McCain's demise and having someone as incredibly unqualified take over. Having to listen to her moronic "You betchas" all the time.....not to mention another idiot insulting the English language with "nuculur." George Bush was bad enough and that he never corrected himself was also insulting to us as well.

She would probably make Bush look good.

Bleaugh. I'm surprised Barbie's husband isn't Ken.

Charlie

Charlie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 8:38pm:

and having someone as incredibly unqualified take over.

Then, you sir, ought to be really scared if Obama gets in......LMMFAO! ;D

Well according to her, she can "really get in there with the Senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better".  Not to mention they may have the opportunity of replacing up to 3 Judges that could re-write the definition of marriage, which I think is what she had said she wanted, not a bill passed, but the Constitution rewritten.  It's ok with you that she wants to do that?  She wants to strip the power from the states to decide?  She wants to throw executive power into the legislative?  

As to that video...Fox 'News'?  Really?  Citing Fox News is laughable, it's not a legitimate news media (neither are the other tv news medias, honestly).  Anything with Fox News is bound to be very pro-republican and tried to make democrats look anti-American, not supporting troops.  Troops don't support just one candidate, they don't all support the war, they don't all think that if you don't support the war then you don't support them.  There are a lot of troops that support Ron Paul because he wants out completely, no timelines like Obama.  To voting against equipment for the troops, yeah, it's stupid to vote against it, even if you're voting against it not having a timeline like Obama did.  But McCain voted against another bill that did have a timeline and Obama voted for it.  Both completely wrong to vote against it.  As for the surge, well there's a lot saying it didn't exactly do much like it's been perceived to have done.  One being satellite images that showed lights (I think it was lights) of the Sunni's or one of them migrating out of Iraq into Syria and the surge just helped clean out the trail end.  A close Bush reporter said Bush told him it was mostly due to the exploding care package type stuff they were doing but wouldn't go into detail.

Audre wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 8:46pm:

As for the surge, well there's a lot saying it didn't exactly do much like it's been perceived to have done.

LMMFAO (Again).......yeah, it only turned the whole war around, even Obama said so. He also said he would NOT vote for it again.....Huh?

When Russia invaded Georgia, Obama said that the INVADED country should restrain........Is that what he is going to say if America is invaded? :o

Hes already setting up tea parties with our enemies, what else would you expect!....Christ!  ::)

Charlie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 8:38pm:

Having to listen to her moronic "You betchas" all the time.....not to mention another idiot insulting the English language with "nuculur." George Bush was bad enough and that he never corrected himself was also insulting to us as well.

As opposed to Teddy that IMHO is unable to properly pronounce the name of the largest city in the state where he was born.

Change nothing but Palin's political views and you'd be eating her ass up with a spoon while her current supporters would be throwing her to the sharks.

Damn I'll be glad when this election is over....

Who do you want as a president in time of war?

An American hero naval officer

Or

A lawyer?

What does Teddy say? Bastin? If that's it, he and millions in New England say it. Not sure what you mean though.

Of course the way Barbie speaks, my old English teacher would rap her knuckles. It makes me cringe. It's not the Kings' English.

Charlie

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Who do you want as a president in time of war? An American hero naval officer Or A lawyer?

A decorated war hero that served 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton.
There I helped :D
I like her boobies as well
thebb ;)

corrected spealling :D

Ugh.  Don't get me started on the Georgia/Russia war.  Georgia started it.  They invaded a sovereign 'nation'.  They were a break away region that Georgia acknowledged as independent for years.  They had their own Constitution, they had their own elected President.  They asked to be part of Russian territory.  They were given Russian passports.  Georgia was the occupier, Georgia was the instigator.  

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Who are our enemies?  Iran?  They're really not our enemies, the people are actually very pro America.  They aren't creating nuclear weapons, they aren't planning on creating nuclear weapons and they never said they'd wipe Israel off the map.  START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE  START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE  There is nothing wrong with talking with leaders we have problems with.  We first tried bullying North Korea, they got pissed at us and started rebuilding theirs.  We send some one to go talk with them and they're retearing them down, this time with the help of Japan.  It shouldn't be the President, it shouldn't be some little friendly get together, but it should be diplomatic and respectable and try to work with them instead of bullying everyone, that's where wars leave, that's why Russia's pissed at us (I'm sure there's other reasons too).

Audre wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 9:47pm:

Ugh.  Don't get me started on the Georgia/Russia war.  Georgia started it.  They invaded a sovereign 'nation'.  They were a break away region that Georgia acknowledged as independent for years.  They had their own Constitution, they had their own elected President.  They asked to be part of Russian territory.  They were given Russian passports.  Georgia was the occupier, Georgia was the instigator.   The surge turned around so well that a million of Iraqi's are protesting in the streets to get the troops out of there and not extend our stay until 2011.  START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE  The surge didn't do what it was perceived to have done.  As far as Obama saying it worked but he wouldn't vote for it again...yeah, that doesn't make much sense.   Who are our enemies?  Iran?  They're really not our enemies, the people are actually very pro America.  They aren't creating nuclear weapons, they aren't planning on creating nuclear weapons and they never said they'd wipe Israel off the map.  START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE  START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE  There is nothing wrong with talking with leaders we have problems with.  We first tried bullying North Korea, they got pissed at us and started rebuilding theirs.  We send some one to go talk with them and they're retearing them down, this time with the help of Japan.  It shouldn't be the President, it shouldn't be some little friendly get together, but it should be diplomatic and respectable and try to work with them instead of bullying everyone, that's where wars leave, that's why Russia's pissed at us (I'm sure there's other reasons too).

Gee, do you have a life?

What matters is, is Obama going to ask that America restrain while we are being invaded?

The only one to have run shit in this country is Palin, all Obama has done is voted "present" because he was scared to vote.

Oh BTW, do you not realise that both Hilliary and Biden said Obama was no where near ready to be prez?.......LOL

I can post videos if you want.  ;)

Iran's been wanting an ass kickin for thirty years.

Dont worry we couldn't do it if we wanted to. We have no military.
the bb

Haha.  Yes, I have a life.  Otherwise I'd be dead, duh!  :P  I'm doing school online so I spend a lot of time online and often find myself wandering around online.  I actually should be working on it atm, but you're distracting me! lol

You don't have to convince me that I don't think Obama has all the qualifications to be President.  But I also don't disagree with everything he says.  And I also think we'd be better off with him than McCain or Palin in office.  If this were 2000 and he had a different VP pick than Palin, I'd probably vote for McCain.  As it stands right now, the person he is right now and has been for the past 8 years and with Palin on the ticket, I wouldn't vote for him if he were the only candidate on the ballot.  Does that mean I'm voting for Obama?  No.  Does that mean I want Obama in office?  Not necessarily, I'd much rather see him in office than McCain.

Audre wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 7:56pm:

She wants to have a Federal bill banning gay marriages, completely taking away that power to the States to decide.

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Hmmmmmmm ;)

What is the last thing they BOTH said?

Neither agrees on gays being married, right?

;)

"but you're distracting me!"

She wants me!.....LOL  :-*

LOL....You got to love this clip!

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I don't remember where it was I saw it, but it was just recently within the last couple days that she said it.


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"but you're distracting me!" She wants me!.....LOL  :-*

Definitely!!  If you could see my dreams you'd blush.   :-[


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Hahahaha  "he was ridin' dirty!"   :o

Charlie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 8:38pm:

"nuculur."

Miss Alaska Pageant


Palin:  To make world peace, I'd like to make nuculur weapons become future energy and medicine for the benefit of all the people of the world to share.



judge 1:  Ok, what have we got here, she's got the poise but this "nuculur" thing, are we voting for a ditz?

judge 4:  It could sound folksy, borders on yahoo but still cute.  Are we for or agin?

judge 3:  This is a beauty pageant, I say it's too inappropriate, like she was schooled in a closet.  If she was running for president it'd be different but we have standards to keep here.

judge 2:  Ya know, Ike pronounced it that way, even Ed Teller.  It could be a throwback to the fifties and have a household hominess to it.

judge 5:  Ike learned the word late in life, if she was from Hungary and figures out thermonuclear fusion it could be eccentric, but I don't even think Alaskans have a distinctive accent to pin it on.

judge 4:  You mean like Jimmy Carter's Georgia take on the word? Nobody will buy that in Alaska, just doesn't fit.

judge 1:  Ok, so what we have here is that nuculur is liklier to be pricklier to the ear but maybe catchy-cute enough to still be used to distract without any real solutions to the issue while wearing smart-looking glasses.  She stretches our pageant standards and got little support for Miss Congeniality but with a placing here she could be noticed enough to shove her into politics and we'll look good.  I say a runner-up.

judges 2-4:  Yay.

judge 5:  But what if there comes a time when we'll have to vote on her again, possibly a president?

judge 2:  Ah, who would want to test a green president.  If she were a hockey-mom and shot a moose or something, I'm sure other countries would have second thoughts.  With only one electoral vote in Alaska we either made it count or shouldn't be held responsible, it's a win-win.



call in viewer, Jonny:   If she was Mrs. King, she can say nuculur all night!       ;)

Experience?  What EXPERIENCE did JFK have? He was a short term Senator. Ok, he'd been in WW11 and was a "hero" - he SAVED some lives during that war by a heroic action (PT-109 in case you've forgotten). He was a LAWYER and graduated at the top of his class. He was "cool" under pressure.

He was confronted with the Cuban missle crisis right off the bat. He let Russia BLINK first and disaster was avoided. He stayed cool under pressure. He had no experience - he just stayed cool under pressure and did the "right" thing.

Vietnam was "smoldering" during this time, but after JFK was killed, his VP, Johnson (with years and years of EXPERIENCE) got that off to a BIG shooting war and it was a TOTAL disaster. It changed our world as we knew it. That's what EXPERIENCE did for us.

Now as far as the war hero stuff, when JFK was running, the guys from the PT-109 were right there "telling" what he did for them (swam thru shark infested waters to drag them to safety). My question - where are McCain's fellow POWs? Weren't five other guys captured at the same time? I've heard this question raised several times at the VA hospital by Vietnam vets (some of whom were "spit" on when they returned from duty there and called "baby killers").

I think what Biden meant was that the next President will be inheriting is two wars, a horrible economy (recession and maybe a depression), the whole world against us (in my way of thinking it's time for some diplomatic "talking" to anyone who's still speaking to us), a possible "new" Civil Rights movement to make the last one look tame and about a thousand other problems. I'd say it's pretty certain within 6 months things are not going to be very rosey.

What Obama said about going thru the budget and cutting programs that aren't working made sense to me (cut "down" the size of government maybe?) and put some of the money into the programs that ARE working (maybe Medicare?).

One TV reporter did a thingy the other night after going to a memorial for a teacher (deceased). Apparently this teacher brought in "unknown" people to speak to his government class thru the years. In 1991 he brought in a 3rd year law student - the reporter gave some exerpts from this student's speech. Yep, it was Obama and the exerpts from that speech were about the same thing he's saying on the campaign trail today. His "views" for the future of the US. I thought that was interesting.

And even as late as this morning, one of McCain's biggest supporters (Don Imus) is having doubts about McCain's honesty after an interview with him about 6 a.m. Imus asked him about Palin not knowing what newspapers she read - McCain's answer - "Most people get their news online and don't read papers anymore." He even told Imus he was avoiding his direct questions.  Straight Talk?

My opinion is that as long as the President surrounds himself/herself with people who KNOW more than he/she does and LISTENS to them - experience is NOT the most important thing he/she needs. The ability to LISTEN, ANALYZE the INFORMATION with a COOL head and MAKE an INFORMED DECISION is. Then if you're wrong, figure out a way to make it right - don't just keep beating a dead horse.

Hugs BD

May I just say that it seems very shallow to find fault in someone for how they pronounce words.  There is a part of the country which pronounces "aunt" the same as "ant".  Some say "walmarts" when talking about "Walmart".  There are a ton of words people who are very intelligent mispronounce based on where they live.

WTF??  I asked a simple question about WTF Biden meant and people are defending the quesiton with answers about Palin?

Ohforpetesake ::)

FramCire wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 8:51am:

...very shallow to find fault in someone for how they pronounce words.  There is a part of the country...

Seems a word that's being pronounced that way by choice.  Despite having addressed dialect, don't seem part of the country that uses it?  

Doesn't bother me.  Depends if Marilyn Monroe had sung, "happy birfday Mr. President," would have gotten a satirical remark from Groucho, but he'd still raise his eyebrows somehow I'd bet.   :)

Melissa wrote on Oct 20^th, 2008 at 11:22pm:

I don't get it. :-/

Melissa wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 11:25am:

Bill, thanks for your explanations.

Sorry Mel, figured it was asked and answered.  I usually wait patiently for a thread before not making any sense with the endtrails.   ;)

Kevin_M wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:30am:

Melissa wrote on Oct 20th, 2008 at 11:22pm: I don't get it. :-/ Melissa wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 11:25am: Bill, thanks for your explanations.   Sorry Mel, figured it was asked and answered.  I usually wait patiently for a thread before not making any sense with the endtrails.   ;)

ROTFLMAO Kevin! ;D

it's OK ;)

V for Vendetta, seen it?  Get ready to start living it.  Oh wait, we already are living it.  What was I thinking?

Melissa: I think you are seeing the interesting way things work in politics.  Ask a question and both sides go off and answer the question they think you want to hear.

Biden ALWAYS opens his mouth and whatever comes out or in (his foot) doesn't seem to bother him.  People on the left side take statements like this and say "At least he's not Palin".   Those on the right say "at least she's not Biden".  The answer to your question is that Biden thinks he needs to prepare the American voters for the disappointments we will see when Obama wins.  He knows Obama is slick and has sold Americans to a group of promises, many of which he wont be able to keep.  So Biden is setting up a defense for re-election before they are even elected.

I wish we could put both candidates on the TV Show "moment of Truth" and find out if they EVER tell the truth.

In the end, I think it is interesting how the Dems have sold so many people on Palin and Mccains faults that Obama anf Boiden also have but the Dems have foudn a way to make people ignore their problems.

From Websters Dictionary

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—Pronunciation note In pronouncing nuclear, the second and third syllables are most commonly said as      /-kliər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[-klee-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation, a sequence of sounds that directly reflects the spelled sequence ‑cle·ar. In recent years, a somewhat controversial pronunciation has come to public attention, with these two final syllables said as      /-kyələr/[-kyuh-ler]. Since      /-kliər/[-klee-er], the common pronunciation of ‑cle·ar, might also be represented, broadly, as      /-kləyər/[-kluh-yer], the      /-kyələr/[-kyuh-ler] pronunciation can be seen as coming from a process of metathesis, in which the /l/[l] and the /y/[y] change places. The resulting pronunciation is reinforced by analogy with such words as molecular, particular, and muscular, and although it occurs with some frequency among highly educated speakers, including scientists, professors, and government officials, it is disapproved of by many.

FramCire wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:22am:

In the end, I think it is interesting how the Dems have sold so many people on Palin and Mccains faults that Obama and Boiden also have but the Dems have found a way to make people ignore their problems.

I can answer that in one word... Bush.

But as I've said before, McCain is not Bush.  Even McCain has said it.  But they throw back the whole "McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time".  Ok then, 90% on WHAT???  Which policies??  THAT is what needs to be answered, but just like lawyers, they quite manipulative.  (sorry, I don't trust lawyers)

BTW, I think one thing that is driving dems NUTS this year, is why there are so many hold outs.  If McCain is basically Bush, then why is there reasonable doubt?? ;)

Either way, for me, I am SOOOO entertaining the idea of going off the radar with a liberal filibuster proof congress/senate.  I do not believe in big government, I think there are a ton of programs that need to be abolished as they are not serving Americans well, such as the Federal Reserve, the FDA, the Dept. of Education, the IRS, etc.  I believe many of our problems can be solved through our State governments as well as non-profits.  The federal government has screwed so much up with our tax payer funds that I do not trust them at ALL.  

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What does this have to do with Biden?  Nothing!  :D ;D :D ;D :D

BTW, Palin's a moron!  But you know what?  I'm more scared of the democratic party than her!

Mel, you really think the FDA should be disbanded?

The private sector will run their own quality controls and stuff?  

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 11:06am:

Mel, you really think the FDA should be disbanded? The private sector will run their own quality controls and stuff?

Well, I don't know, but so far I'm finding a lot of frustration with people who can't get medication they need due to FDA.  Maybe it's just best to restructure it.  To me it's a very muddy area and I don't even know if I can trust them anymore.  :-/  

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 11:06am:

Mel, you really think the FDA should be disbanded? The private sector will run their own quality controls and stuff?

What part of state control did you not understand?

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But McCain voted against another bill that did have a timeline and Obama voted for it.

I think the voting record shows that McCain had a "no vote" on that bill.

Bob P wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:25am:

From Websters Dictionary ...pronunciation can be seen as coming from a process of metathesis, in which the /l/[l] and the /y/[y] change places. The resulting pronunciation is reinforced by analogy with such words as molecular, particular, and muscular, and although it occurs with some frequency among...

Covers it's butt both ways with the familiar Steven Pinker, his examination (metathesis), though he doesn't particularly discuss the word itself in books much that I've read, and reinforces with another, Arnold Zwicky's morphological origin, a slightly contrasting look.  

among... A tradition at some weapons labs since WWII but unnoted in medicine and energy fields.  

Might give the impression they've been in prolonged contact with the weapons people.  But I guess you'd have to like the variant to use it.

FDA = US Congress Controll = Lobbyists = Big Money = Bad Laws on Drug Control = High Prices at Pharmacy = Screwing of "Average Joe"

(Apply equation to any Dept of govt)

Hugs BD

Barb,

That was the best response in this whole thread! KUDOS!

Jimmers

BarbaraD wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 12:43pm:

FDA = US Congress Controll = Lobbyists = Big Money = Bad Laws on Drug Control = High Prices at Pharmacy = Screwing of "Average Joe" (Apply equation to any Dept of govt) Hugs BD

hmmm...

Obama elected + super majority = unfettered democratic agenda = higher taxes on the 'rich' = less jobs for everybody


fuzzy math?

As stupid as a rock!....LMAO  ;D

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Say it aint so, Joe.....LOL  :D

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The Delaware senator spoke at two Seattle fundraises Sunday night, expected to bring in $1 million for the campaign.

Can anyone explain to me why, with only 13 days til the election that he is out there doing campaign fundraising  at this late date and asking for peoples hard-earned bucks to the tune of a Million dollars?  

Some people in Seattle are wanting some favors when he gets in.

The drug companies' greatest fantasy would be the end of the FDA. Does anyone here really believe that an admisistration that for all intents and purposes was created by a Republican, should be abandoned? It's purpose was to keep quacks from killing us. Today, it's the only thing between us and all the drugs that have been withdrawn because so much money was to be made regardless of safety...incredibly by an admistration that filled all the agencies with political hacks from the right... It's one of the better examples of successful big government.

Charlie

Charlie, here's some opinions about it...

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from the Reader's Digest article (link above)...

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But most agree that there's at least a problem of perception, and perhaps more than that, caused by the growing chunk of the agency's budget that comes directly from drug companies. Industry dollars now pay for more than half of the FDA's drug-review budget; in five years, that proportion is expected to jump to 70 percent.

Either something else has to be an alternative, or it needs to be seriously overhauled.  JMO

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The agency's most recent difficulties began in 2004, when officials came under fire for silencing a staff scientist who had concluded that antidepressants could increase suicidal behavior in teens.

2004...think about that. George Bush populated all agencies with hacks, religious conservatives, a number of corporate lobbyists in the evironmental agecies, and on and on. Of course the biggest effect was when he underfunded everything he thought might be a problem. The best example was his cutting off funding for his pet project, No Child Left Behind.

It's no surprise that the FDA has suffered under Dubya. It's exactly what he wanted: Put the foxes in charge of the henhouse.

Charlie

ohforpetesake Charlie!

here's another link:

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The agency’s transformation started in the 1980s, when AIDS and cancer activists pushed for quicker access to potentially life-prolonging drugs for severely ill patients. But that acceleration was subsequently applied to all medicines, including those for problems that aren’t life-threatening as well as for “me too” drugs, which offer little or no advantage over existing medicines whose risks are well known. In 1992 Congress passed the Prescription Drug User Fee Act (PDUFA), which forced a sea change at the FDA. The law imposed tight deadlines for drug evaluation and required companies to pay fees earmarked for hiring more reviewers. In fiscal year 2004 the FDA collected some $250 million from drug companies, almost half of its drug-review budget. That year, the agency boasted in a report to the president and Congress that “drug-approval time has been cut almost in half” since the advent of PDUFA.

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FDA advisers tied to industry An article by Dennis Cauchon, the USA TODAY Newspaper Sept. 25, 2000 According to a USA Today study, more than half of the experts hired to advise the government on the safety and effectiveness of medicine have financial relationships with the pharmaceutical companies that will be helped or hurt by their decisions. These experts are hired to advise the Food and Drug Administration on which medicines should be approved for sale, what the warning labels should say and how studies of drugs should be designed. The experts are supposed to be independent, but USA TODAY found that 54% of the time, they have a direct financial interest in the drug or topic they are asked to evaluate. These conflicts include helping a pharmaceutical company develop a medicine, then serving on an FDA advisory committee that judges the drug. The conflicts typically include stock ownership, consulting fees or research grants. Federal law generally prohibits the FDA from using experts with financial conflicts of interest, but according to the article, the FDA has waived the restriction more than 800 times since 1998. These pharmaceutical experts, about 300 on 18 advisory committees, make decisions that affect the health of millions of Americans and billions of dollars in drugs sales. With few exceptions, the FDA follows the committees' advice. The FDA reveals when financial conflicts exist, but it has kept details secret since 1992, so it is not possible to determine the amount of money or the drug company involved. cont...

Well, for food stuff, I think there certainly needs to be some sort of cleanliness standards and all that stuff.
For drugs, the FDA is much more lax than they were 20 years ago.  During Clinton's term, someone changed the laws for drug marketing and also created a 'fast track' to get drugs through the FDA and to market.  Thats when the drug companies started having TV commercials and stuff.
So some of these drugs came to market under the fast track plan, and it turns out a lot of them have been pulled because of problems.  Vioxx comes to mind, and another couple of drugs that are in major lawsuits now.

It's a tough line to walk.  People want new drugs right now and they want them to be thoroughly tested.  Unfortunately it takes many years to go through the testing for a new drug.

Maybe the FDA is not effective, but I certainly don't want Merck and Kraft Foods making a business decision regarding what is safe to put in my food and drugs.  The corporations most certainly don't care.

I think the TV ads should be pulled - that only ads to the costs of the drugs for one thing.

The biggest problem with advertising -- "Ask your Doctor if this is Right for You!" is hogwash! A lot of people out in TV land will DEVELOP symptoms just to USE the advertised drug.

Back during the Ben Casey, Dr. Kildaire, Marcus Welby M.D. days I was nursing and you can bet your bippy the morning after they were on we'd have a clinic full of that week's disease. We kept nice little placebo medicine bottles filled just for that purpose. (You could still do that back then.)

I hate political appointees and this should be changed, but I don't have a clue how to do it.

Hugs BD

Barb's right. TV ads are disgusting and have nothing to do with people's health; just a shitload of cash.

In the long run the FDA has saved a lot of lives. That's reason enough to keep it

Charlie.

Ok Charlie.  I respect your opinion.

:-*

You guys should all take a trip through one of the major meat-packing plants in this country and see how good of a job your FDA and USDA are doing.............  :-X

Charlie wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 11:03am:

Barb's right. TV ads are disgusting and have nothing to do with people's health; just a shitload of cash. In the long run the FDA has saved a lot of lives. That's reason enough to keep it Charlie.

Without the TV Ads we'd never hear the line "If you have an erection that last for more than 4 hours, call your physician"

That alone makes the ads worthwhile.   ;D

Fram LMAO -- If that happened you'd be calling all the guys in the neighborhood, yellin' "Ya ain't gonna believe this!" :)

Hugs BD

BarbaraD wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:43am:

Fram LMAO -- If that happened you'd be calling all the guys in the neighborhood, yellin' "Ya ain't gonna believe this!" :) Hugs BD

I know a college baseball coach who said it happened to one of his players who took one on a bet.  He didnt know what it was and got freaked out because he had a tough time getting ready for baseball practice.

Not funny that kids would steal drugs and take them, but since the kid is ok now.... the coach was laughing telling us the story of the best excuse for missing practice.

(the players are required to wear cups)

We should listen to Joe Biden, really!....Im not fucking kidding!

Have a listen.

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Gee, looks like old Joe sold US out just to be VP!  >:(

What a fucking hypocrit!!!!!!

Agostino Leyre wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 11:22am:

You guys should all take a trip through one of the major meat-packing plants in this country and see how good of a job your FDA and USDA are doing.............  :-X

I think most are operating to FDA and USDA standards, however, the standards are disgusting.  For example, averaging less than 30 'insect fragments' per 100 grams of peanut butter is the guideline.  Having 5 fly eggs or 1 maggot per cup of orange juice is acceptable to the FDA.

;D

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Redistribute the wealth

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Now, I am not into any of your discussions about who should be president, but as the election in your country gets big coverage in our country, that perticular youtube clip made me alittle afraid... :o

MaxPayne wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 10:11am:

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Sorry, can't answer you there!  

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Good thing she's not running for President, McCain is.

MaxPayne wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 10:11am:

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What scares people more?  A person who stumbles a little under the media scrutiny, or someone who smoothly debate or discuss both sides of an issue with perceived passion.

I guess making a few mistakes or being intimidated by media members TRYING to make her stumble only makes her seem more human to me.  Watching Obama makes me realize how gifted of a lawyer he is.  Does that make me want him to be our President?

In the end, the more I see Palin the more I am ok with her as VP.  I wish it was someone else, BUT Id rather her and McCain than the Democrats having a filibuster proof majority AND the presidency.

What scares me most is that if someone takes out the Pres. & VP, Pelosie would be President!

Bob P wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:39am:

What scares me most is that if someone takes out the Pres. & VP, Pelosi would be President!

If there is any politician out there right now that scares me it's that woman!! :o

Pelosi is bat-shit crazy.  But it's WAY more important to punish Bush for the last 8 years than worry about having this dingbat in control of the House.

Melissa wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:44am:

Bob P wrote on Oct 27th, 2008 at 11:39am: What scares me most is that if someone takes out the Pres. & VP, Pelosi would be President! If there is any politician out there right now that scares me it's that woman!! :o

If Obama wins, she and her Senate counterparts will have control of this country.  Obama has never shown an ability to stand up to his party and since the Dems will control both, Obama is either going to have to grow a spine or you might as well have her as President.

At least with McCain (or Palin if something happened to McCain) the Dems can pass laws but will have to work with the other side to get them past veto.

Pentagon panel says Biden was right:

[quote]The McCain campaign pounced the other day, when Joe Biden said that his running mate would be tested by an international crisis at the start of his White House tenure. But the chairman of a key Pentagon advisory panel is sounding a similar warning, telling the next administration to "prepare for a likely first-270-days crisis."

Veteran Pentagon consultant Michael Bayer, chairman of the Defense Business Board, told his fellow panelists that the new president's inner circle should "set aside time in transition to identify the planning, gravitas and interagency process necessary to respond to a likely first-270-day crisis."

From Kennedy (Bay of Pigs) to Johnson (Gulf of Tonkin) to Bush (9/11)," too many presidents were ill prepared for this," Bayer warns.


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I guess making a few mistakes or being intimidated by media members TRYING to make her stumble only makes her seem more human to me.  Watching Obama makes me realize how gifted of a lawyer he is.  Does that make me want him to be our President

That's what scares me about her. Presidents have to be able to deal with gotcha or what may be preceived as unfair questions. If not, they have no business in the game.

Charlie

Charlie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:26pm:

Quote: I guess making a few mistakes or being intimidated by media members TRYING to make her stumble only makes her seem more human to me.  Watching Obama makes me realize how gifted of a lawyer he is.  Does that make me want him to be our President That's what scares me about her. Presidents have to be able to deal with gotcha or what may be preceived as unfair questions. If not, they have no business in the game. Charlie

Sounds like Biden shouldn't be in the game either then.

Touche'....Melly!  ;D

Charlie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:26pm:

Quote: I guess making a few mistakes or being intimidated by media members TRYING to make her stumble only makes her seem more human to me.  Watching Obama makes me realize how gifted of a lawyer he is.  Does that make me want him to be our President That's what scares me about her. Presidents have to be able to deal with gotcha or what may be preceived as unfair questions. If not, they have no business in the game. Charlie

Watch the tape again.  While the questions might have made her stumble, she didn't lose it.  I mean both Katie and that other dude (forget his name) set her up to try and embarrass her and while she stumbled, she maintained her composure.  Honestly, I was embarrassed  for both of the "newspeople" who obviously like to make the news instead of report it without bias.

Finally, what is your excuse for Biden.  He has been doing this for years and he puts his foot in his mouth more often than Dan Quayle used to.  At least Palin gives us hope of getting more used to it and performing better as she goes along.  If she's smart she'll ask Obama how he can take tough questions and answer every one of them using the word Bush.

Finally, Palin showed a lot to me by how she was on SNL.  They have been all over her and yet she showed poise and grace by being able to laugh at herself and actually look comfortable doing it.

It would take me all night to download youtube but I've seen it several times. No matter how tough or unfair, a President has to be able to do better than not know what she reads....probably doesn't.

Biden puts his foot in his mouth all the time but he is well-known and considered an expert on foreign policy....also no one....other than the Rush Limbaughs of the right, question his ability. He's also probably my favorite Democrat so I'm baised anyway.

Palin has been asked twice that I know of just what the VP does and she fumbled both times. She's the kind of thing that we get when the the GOP has to pander to the pro-life and other evangelican crowds. What a shame. Young voters.....even Republicans, are tired of the religious right and my hope is that the GOP settles down and finds its true conservative base again. It's depressing now and you can thank Bush for it.

Charlie

Charlie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 10:55pm:

He's also probably my favorite Democrat so I'm baised anyway.

I give up.

Mel, there ain't no fixin' it.  It's going to be a long 4 years.  ...but at least the Democrats will get to blame the Republicans if everything gets really ugly.  So, it's like a free pass.  Americans probably won't be able to admit their mistake until well into the Messaih's second term, and maybe the One will abolish term limits by then.  Hope and Change.

At least we know now what a "community organizer" does!  He promotes "Redistributive change"!  How did this man EVER become a serious contender for the presidency of this country?

When I was a kid reading about the downfall of the Spanish Empire brought about from within I wondered how it must have felt to have your country slip away as it did.  Now I think I know.

Jerry

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but at least the Democrats will get to blame the Republicans if everything gets really ugly.

Isn't that what they've been doing for the past 2 years that they've been in charge of the Congress?  We can only hope that they will remain as ineffective for the next 4.

wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:35pm:

Americans probably won't be able to admit their mistake until well into the Messaih's second term

History does repeat itself, I guess.  It sounds like you are talking about the current President.  

Bob P wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:24am:

Quote: but at least the Democrats will get to blame the Republicans if everything gets really ugly. Isn't that what they've been doing for the past 2 years that they've been in charge of the Congress?  We can only hope that they will remain as ineffective for the next 4.

Sorry man but I don't hope they are ineffective.... on the contrary, our country is in need of effective government no matter who it is.  While I dont have high hopes for an Obama Presidency, I hope I am wrong about them and that the country is indeed better off in 4 yeasrs than it is now.  We NEED that.

Last I checked, the approval rating for Congress is lower than for George W. Bush.  A lot of Americans understand that the President doesn't have all of the power and didn't dig all of the holes by himself.

I found a great quote from Thomas Sowell:

Some people who see the fraud in what Obama is saying are amazed that others do not. But Obama knows what con men have long known, that their job is not to convince skeptics but to enable the gullible to continue to believe what they want to believe. He does that very well.

Looks like Obamas 250K cap went down to 200K over the weekend, and as of yesterday its down to 150K.

Just ask Joe, say it aint so Joe!

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Is it still news when Biden says something that either contradicts what he has said before, is embarrassing and/or is stolen from someone else??

Anyone else wonder why people cant see that the things they blame Palin for are certainly not worse than what comes out of Biden's mouth.

Both candidates would be smart to stash their running mates away until December.

However, I still wonder why the McCain people aren't showing clips of the democrats saying that Obama isn't experienced enough to be President on their ads.... the Dems are using McCain clips.

FramCire wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 6:15pm:

Is it still news when Biden says something that either contradicts what he has said before, is embarrassing and/or is stolen from someone else??

No, but when you have an Obama ad come out this weekend saying 200K and Biden saying on Monday 150K.........Its just the set up for them to say "Hey, we told you before you elected us we were going to nail ALL of you"

I wouldnt be surprised if it comes down to 100K on the last day!

Its called "Trickle down taxes" (but really fast so you dont notice) and you get what you vote for!

What's the difference?  $150,000 sounds like a lot to anybody that Obama is pandering to.

wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 7:53pm:

What's the difference?  $150,000 sounds like a lot to anybody that Obama is pandering to.

Small business?.....Meaning ME!

wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 7:44pm:

FramCire wrote on Oct 28th, 2008 at 6:15pm: Is it still news when Biden says something that either contradicts what he has said before, is embarrassing and/or is stolen from someone else?? No, but when you have an Obama ad come out this weekend saying 200K and Biden saying on Monday 150K.........Its just the set up for them to say "Hey, we told you before you elected us we were going to nail ALL of you" I wouldnt be surprised if it comes down to 100K on the last day! Its called "Trickle down taxes" (but really fast so you dont notice) and you get what you vote for!

Jonny, listen to Biden... he is already saying that the voters wont be happy with Obama.Biden after they have to make "tough choices" in their first 4 years.  

Biden is sometimes too honest (sometimes not enough).  He is already all but admitting that they wont be able to live up to promises.

A friend of mine is voting for Obama because he has more detailed outlines for what he is planning to do.  I told him thats because they can detail all they want, they wont get it done and as long as the economy is better in 4 years (which it should be no matter what), obama will get 2 terms.

FramCire wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:20pm:

obama will get 2 terms.

Your under estimating the "Bradley" effect.  ;)

Hey guys, for what it's worth (and I forget to say it often enough) I LOVE YOU ALL even if you are misguided in your political opinions  :-* (except for Charlie).

Only 5 more days to go and then we can get back to just insulting each other in a more civilized way.  :)

To go back to the FDA and the USDA,  try going into a dogfood plant.  You have to put on booties, hair and beard covers, coveralls, and wash well.  To go into a plant that produces Jello you walk through the mud in the parking lot, open the door, walk through the production floor, go into the shipping office, sign the papers, and reverse the process.  

Go to a meat packing plant for a day, and you will never eat another hot dog or sausage.

Jerry