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Message started by justaddwater on Nov 24th, 2008 at 8:36am

Title: Chiropractor
Post by justaddwater on Nov 24th, 2008 at 8:36am
Hi, new to  this board but wanted to share this.
I suffer from cluster headaches and have since my early teen years. Trips to Doctors and prescriptions of meds never helped . Thankfully my cycles are usually separated by long periods of normalcy.

My last cycle was the wost I have ever had. By the end I was struck by one as soon as I fell asleep every night, and then generally I would get one or two more before morning. That was the hardest part, got them during day's as well usually.

I eventually went to a chiropractor, something I never put much stock in so I was skeptical when he X-rayed my neck, showed me where my vertebra are out of line, and so on. So he performed an alignment (popped my neck) and I left telling my wife, who drug me there to begin with, that this was another waste of money. I didn't have a headache that night. I went back for some more alignments and honestly I haven't had one since. when I first started having this treatment I could feel the onset of a CH, but it never developed into anything more then that.

Now of course he wants me to come by three times a week, he has bills to pay. Anyway I stopped going cause I got bills to pay as well. I will  return  at the first sign of another one though.

I would recommend trying this option to anyone suffering from these headaches.

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Ray on Nov 24th, 2008 at 1:05pm
Dear Justaddwater:

I see a chiropractor due to the degeneration of some of the discs in my neck.  Although this relieves the neck pain (for a while), it does nothing for my cluster headaches.

I am not knocking the relief you've found, rather I am not sure you can attribute the success to chiropractic manipulation.

Wishing you well,

Ray

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Perediablo on Nov 24th, 2008 at 1:35pm
Before my actual CH diagnosis I saw a chiropractor a couple of times for some back and neck pain issues. I told him about my headaches and he said he could "cure" them. His manipulation did relieve some of the "cluster knot" issues, but not the attacks.
After diagnosis, I saw him one more time. He told me that CH was BS and that it was the knot in my neck causing the HA's. When I explained the "cluster knot" to him he told me to leave the diagnosis to the ones capable. I told him to take a long walk on a short pier. I have never returned.
I hope your chiropractor is a little more personable and knowledgeable. Good luck!

PFD2U
Eric

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by wildhaus on Nov 24th, 2008 at 1:37pm
sorry I just cant see how the chiropractor can help… never managed to follow / comprehend how
they (chiropractors) do it…… and most likely I will never understand…..
other then have a good way to pay his (chiropractor) bills, and as you say, you have
bill to pay your self……..so why should you sponsor his bills……

Michael

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Guiseppi on Nov 24th, 2008 at 1:40pm
Glad you found some relief, but unfortunatley I doubt it was the chiropractor. Many have posted of using chiropractors and the relief they have found from the secondary issues, like Ray was talking about. We screw up our necks, backs, shoulders, with all the tensing and fighting we do when getting hit.

I was convinced I'd "cured" my CH when I stopped using Q-tips in my ears and the headaches stopped. Then I quite drinking coffee, and they stopped. But ALWAYS, the buggers come back. Only years later when I became consistent with charting my cycles did I realize I'd hit the end of a cycle.

I sincerely hope yours never come back. Stick around the board though, gain some knowledge on the many prevents and abortives available to you. If you really have CH, I'm afraid they will come back.

Wishing you peace and pain free times!

Guiseppi

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by mrs mac on Nov 24th, 2008 at 1:48pm
mu hubby has been seeing a physio on a regular basis for Fibomyalgia, she has been doing a lot of work re aligning bones in his neck and head and spine!!!

was working on his head on Wednesday and Andy who is Chronic has now been getting hit a lot more and a lot harder than usual!!!

was it the manipulation work on his head that made it worse?? Who knows, but the physio needs to be made aware the next time he sees her!!

So, question is cab Chiros and physios actually make things worse for some people!!!

Good luck to those who try to find help in whatever way they can, but remember everyone is different and react differently to different meds and procedures!!!


Sandra xx

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by justaddwater on Nov 24th, 2008 at 8:57pm
This particular chiropractor didn't fully understand what I meant by cluster headache, I don't think he ever really got it but you all know it's like trying to describe a tree to someone who has never seen one.
I know it may be a coincidence and this stroll through hell was about over anyway. I may be deluding myself but, after 25+ years of these I'm   aware of the feeling in my head that arrives unexpectedly and unannounced starting as a mild pressure behind the eye, the first day I feel this I know that in a few days I will be jolted awake by the demon with a red hot poker gouging out my eye.  I'm getting a little melodramatic. Looking over the Kip scale  I would have to say I probably got to a 7, pacing etc. but not ready to jump off a bridge. I'm also familiar with the time when my ch start to abate. I'm not trying to sell anyone but I can tell you that this session stopped in mid track.  Another point, for me I would say that ch are associated with a high stress event or period, and this latest episode was no different, nor have those stresses eased.  
I think (hope, pray) I've found the way to send my ch packing, and I hope you all find peace as well.
Wish I would have found this site last month when I was trying to outrun headaches all night.
I really think that another name needs to developed for this ailment, say cluster headaches and people just equate it with their own headaches. Thats about the same as comparing a hangnail with an amputation.

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by purpleydog on Nov 26th, 2008 at 3:52am
I see a chiro for my neck and back. I told him about the clusters, and migraines I get, and he said he may be able to help with the migraines, but couldn't do anything for the CH. I didn't expect him to. However, he can re-align my neck, and stop a days long migraine that is due to my neck being "out".

Since the hypothalamus is responsible for causing CH, there is nothing the chiro can do to stop them.

I think that having tight muscles due to getting hit tends to aggravate a hit and make it harder to deal with sometimes. A chiro can help get these muscles to relax. But he can't stop a cycle.

Glad to hear your cycle has stopped for now. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself?

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Rolomatic on Nov 26th, 2008 at 4:42am
I’ll have to look for it, but I do have a pic somewhere of me with 52 acupuncture needles in my head and no it didn’t do shit for my CH but He is great when my C6-7 partially ruptured disk is giving me hell!

Rolo… ;D

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Pixie-elf on Nov 26th, 2008 at 4:51am

wrote on Nov 26th, 2008 at 4:42am:
I’ll have to look for it, but I do have a pic somewhere of me with 52 acupuncture needles in my head and no it didn’t do shit for my CH but He is great when my C6-7 partially ruptured disk is giving me hell!

Rolo… ;D


I haven't tried it for CH, but I know it helps a LOT with other types of pain. Compression fracture pain, neuropathy. Hell, even with my sinus and ear infections.

I had my Mom take a picture of my acupuncturist working on me at one point. I don't have it uploaded though, I had a crapload of needles in my back.

Chiro's won't touch me cause of the history of osteoporosis. So I have no experience there....

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by fly gas on Dec 3rd, 2008 at 6:22pm
Funny, but 20+ years ago I had the same experience. Snap, crackle and pop, but i had a precurser after leaving his office, this was at the end of a year long bout, literally, and then they stopped. He also applied kinseology and acupuncture. He found that I had a number of allergies, which had rotted some of my nerve pathways, which he restored with laser acupuncture, then manipulated and did all sorts of things, poke, prod and click. The theory is that us cluster types are prone to clusters 24/7, 365 forever. Off cluster time, our bodies can keep them in check. However, the junk we eat, breath, drink and do to ourselves gets our bodies weak, where they can't defend us any more. A parallel theory is that most people have some level of allergies, but rather than running around with drippy noses all the time, the body handles them. Imagine a room of 10 people, one has the flu, and spreads it all over. 3-4 people don't get it. 3-4 get it no biggie, day or two and it is gone. 1 or two people get it and they are like near death for days, can't snap back, maybe get it again, no immune, or auto immune systems to speak of, all spent handling the rest of the crap we throw at ourselves. I think we are the latter one or two types. There is something to be said for Chiropractic, although a bunch are the see me 3 times a week charlatains, same with the other practices. I remember before I was correctly diagnosed, the dentist who sold me $6,000.00 of root canals and caps, the bastard, or some of the worthless neurologists I met over the years. If you've seen a bad Doc, buck up and get over it, keep trying. My guy sees me a couple of times a week in episode, virtually never in between. He has stopped 10-12 episodes cold, while working on me the headaches are maybe 5's on the bad ones, not tens like before, and my frequency of episode is approx one every two years, waaaay down from before.  Personally, i thought all chiropractors suck, now i just think many of them do. Also, I think the kinseology discipline is KEY. When everything is working, the body can handle this stuff, but getting there is like peeling an onion. Anyway, KEEP TRYING. What didn't work yesterday, might well work tomorrow. Tis the nature of the beast.

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Chad on Dec 3rd, 2008 at 10:05pm
Don't be fooled my friend.  Chiros have their place, but not with CH or at least not for me.  I thought the same as you, but it appears my cycle was ending when I first started going for alignments.  Sure enough, the alignments felt good, but really did nothing for the CH.
I stopped going.  Just got seeds in the mail today and very anxious to start my first preventative dose before the next cycle starts.  

Welcome aboard and I wish you pain free days.  

Any questions, PM me.

Peace,
Chad

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by fly gas on Dec 4th, 2008 at 6:51am
I dunno, but after 20 years, if I'm being fooled, its OK by me. After 18 years of near chronic CH's, averaging 1X a year 6-8 months most of them, with a LOT of solid 10's, like smash the head through the wall tens, bang the cylinder off my head just to feel a different type of pain 10's, literally, since I met my mojo Doc, for maybe 20 years now, episodes have averaged one month, once every second year, all in the fall, with most headaches 5's or less. Maybe my cycles shifted when I met him, always a possibility, but the odds are against it. I do think for my case, his onion peeling, layered approach to holistic cure, let the body heal itself has worked to a fair degree. A key to his approach is to diagnose allergies, he tests me for almost 400 environmental substances, both for allergy and deficiency. I will sometimes show deficient in Zinc and Copper, other traces sometimes, and I seem to develop allergies to nightshades, processed sugars, sometimes yeasts and other misc stuff. Again, not for everybody, but just because one has been to a single non standard medical practitioner with negative results, don't blow off the whole field, esp with a totally drug resistant bout of cluster. I don't think one in a hundred practitioners has this guy's experience. Then again, I went through maybe 50-70 doctors, not one did shit. Like the neurologist who told me nothing could be done for clusters, just bear them, the dentist already mentioned who thought root canals were the answer, maybe NE Headache Center, who blew a quick couple of grand in an hour or two, thermographing away, and just threw up their hands, or the clinic who had me up to $2,000 a month in drugs, can anyone say Acthar....? I used to council VN Vets on PTSD, back in the 70's before they even had a word for it. My council to them was if you don't find a good shrink first try, go to another, then another etc until one clicks. Or just give up, that is always an option. (not!) Same-same for clusters. My experience is that CH is over the heads of most in the medical community, they just don't care, or have not the time to study up on the glut of background it takes to properly treat clusters, that's why they call them an orphan disease. This type of board is the best thing we have going. Find a Doc who will work with you, and stay up on what other CH people are doing, and keep trying new stuff until something clicks.  Who knows, I'm probably wrong, I usually am in most everything, but that is my story, and I'm sticking to it. Soft landings all.......

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by seasonalboomer on Dec 4th, 2008 at 7:28am
Let me state it clear. I have read input for several years here from many, many, many people here and the consistent message is that chiropractors have never had clear and consistent success with CH.

The only folks who ever do say that they have had success generally have fewer than 10 posts and wax on very eloquently, often in a formulaic fashion about the success that THEY had. When confronted by the true "History" here they generally react with either indignancy or attempt to display that they indeed have the magical chiro and that we the "history" here must be wrong.

Then when the argument goes on someone else with fewer than 10 posts, yet writes as though they've been here for 5 years, holds up a defense.

Predictable.... Chiro-worship doesn't work for CH.

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Rolomatic on Dec 4th, 2008 at 7:55am
I have been seeing a chiropractor for over 20 years. I was treating for my C6-7 at the time the CH started so you add it up. It may help some but I have no credence in it for CH.

Roland. ;)

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by fly gas on Dec 4th, 2008 at 8:53am
I wul nut be elouguint, no big wurds.
chairopracters do not work for me, multi disciplines non standurd mediacle apprproaches have for 20 years. QED!
They probabley du not werk four everyone, but probubley will for sum.
If you chuse a poor chaireoprakter, he will not wurke as gud as a good one will. Most chiropracticers in mine experiunce are wurtheless fur CH's. Crunching backz is nut tha same thingd as caring four a CH. BIGG DIFURUNCE! Du not confuse tha two. Undurstand?

By the way, my history with multi discipline is purely factual, and I was posting to this board before this new one was created, many years. My point is that if one has not gotten relief through standard medical avenues, there are other avenues to explore, that factually or anecdotally have provided relief to others. I don't care how closed your mind is, or how desperately you want to categorize my posts to those of a newbie, (almost 40 years of clusters and I'm a newbie, I love it!), I don't think that is the purpose of this board. My real point is people should gain from the experiences of others, and keep trying new doctors, therapies and approaches until you find one that works for your individual CH, each person and cluster is immaculately different, as we all well know.

Title: Just one question....
Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Dec 4th, 2008 at 4:08pm
Just one question....

Over the last 200 years the modern medicine has brought us tremendous advances in health care. Life expectancy has been extended by decades by (almost) conquering infectious diseases. In olden times a broken leg crippled for the rest of lifetime, while today you are back to athletic activities in two months. With the understanding of genetics even a cure for cluster headaches may become possible.



What has the chiropractic contributed to general advance in medicine???



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Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by seasonalboomer on Dec 5th, 2008 at 6:40am
In criticizing the latest from the world of chiropractic, fly gas responded, almost to a "T", the way I would have expected. I could have wrote the response as though it was an old Seinfeld episode.

Just so you know FG, I am wide open about about input from wide ranges of treatments. I've tried several alternatives, sometimes with success, sometimes not. My cluster is my cluster, everyone has their own, no doubt. Many, many folks have it worse than me...better would be in the eye of the beholder.

I've tried Chiro. What was supposed to be a very good, forward thinking chiro. I've watched this subject come up for years here. Same result. We used to have a resident that was a practicing chiro. Even she would say, no, it isn't for cluster.

Why so emphatic a response? Here it is for you. Let's say for an episodic a cycle lasts a couple to maybe 12 weeks or more. Planting a seed that a chiro is going to fix the cluster "after several treatments" maybe lasting several weeks places that sufferer into a situation of relying upon an often and very low percentage of success treatment. Thereby suffering possibly far worse than they need to, chasing the idea that some chiro has the answer.

So, if you think that some posters at CH.com point toward some treatments more than other - yes they do. The one's with a higher percentage of success. I would personally feel ill to think of having someone prolong the time they are subject to having no relief from CH by a post I put up.

(I've already guessed your next response)



Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by fly gas on Dec 5th, 2008 at 8:27am
Well, boomer, lets see how your guessing is.
First, for discussion let me say, for all intents, I agree with you, prob with 95% + certainty, that Chiropractics is worthless for CH, and with almost the same degree, that the whole field is largely populated by seedy, ambulance chasing 3X a week whiplash lovers, like lawyers, maybe even worse.
Happy?
Now open your mind for a sec. What I actually said, is that the multidiscipline approach is probably what has worked for me. I think over a few decades, the applied kinesiology with restorative laser acupuncture is what has had the major effect. OK, standard medicine pans this approach, but hell, they panned acupuncture for centuries when the rest of us were looking at people undergoing open brain surgeries with a few needles and no anesthesia and then walking away from the table. Hell, took standard medicine 40 years to agree that cigarettes were bad for us, they still won't tell us that Agent Orange is poison. For newbies, applied kinesiology is a system of testing for allergies, and dietary deficiencies, also testing the nerve paths and muscles for abnormalities, then trying to heal these problems by diet, supplements a/o laser restoration. While I go through the testing and healing, I use any and every other treatment available, last night was Relpax and head massage, then pacing and three stiff cups of coffee for the morning cluster; other nights, Zomig, hot showers, who the heck knows what else. Go to any other doctor you are going to, do anything else that gives you relief, bar none. Boomer, if you think this approach prolongs anything, you're just missing what I'm saying, please feel free to go off and be ill, it might do you some good, humility beats emphatic any day, and you should try it. My CH was odd, over 20 years with absolutely no relief from any drug or therapy, sporadic oxygen relief, and total desperation. I actually met my doc after an elderly aunt shamed me into at least trying acupuncture, I was as close minded as you are, wouldn't have gone to a standard chiropractor on a bet. Again, I just throw this out because it has worked for me since 1987, every single time. I try to deal in facts, not opinion and misquotes. I don't know if it will work for anyone else, and I certainly don't pretend to be a know it all, far from it, but I thought the idea of these discussions was to share stories and experiences, not to throw darts and engage in gratuitous self puffery. If all else has failed, maybe it is worth a try, maybe not, I'm not putting a gun to anyone's head to force them into anything, or keep them from trying anything.

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by seasonalboomer on Dec 5th, 2008 at 9:05am
Right on the mark. The usual blah, blah, blah regarding so-called standard medicine and its failings.  I'm critical of the the delivery method for much of what we get treated to as "medicine", but, through educating ourselves (at CH.com and other sites) we can collaborate more effectively with our doctors for better outcomes.

"Restorative Laser Acupuncture" is a new one on me though. I don't recall anyone trotting that one out.

Did you hear they are thinking of taxing farmers with livestock for the cow's flatulence's carbon footprint?


Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by fly gas on Dec 5th, 2008 at 11:20am
Restorative laser acupuncture: As the body has many nerve pathways and crossings, meridians, theory is that when an organ or something is out of normal parameters, normal signals to and from the brain are scrambled. As with other functions of the body, such as the brain, other nerve groups try to take over impaired functions, but they and associated meridians can get overloaded and malfunction, sometimes causing a cascading effect. Failings can be caused by environmental or pathological causes, but when the causes are determined, acupuncture can clear a/o restore paths and meridians. Its like having too many trains on a track system, then shunting some off to other routes so the main tracks can clear out. The root theory is that the body, over millions of years, has become adept at curing itself. Pain is the bodies way of saying something is wrong. Rather than cover the pain, or along with covering the pain, it is important to diagnose what is causing the pain, and treat the cause while treating the pain. At the same time, if there are other less obvious problems with the body's immune system, diagnosing and treating them in order is probably a good thing, back to the peeling an onion analogy, because sometimes when you find one thing out of whack, there is a more deep seated cause of this problem. Again, in my doctor's practice, he uses laser acupuncture and acupressure, along with various other things. He does NOT claim to cure CH's. His goal is to handle other things in the body as best he can, with the goal being to get my body back to a state where it can handle my episodes, ergo stop them. We wonder why in CH, we go attack free for months or years, then we go to pieces for the same periods. Perhaps it is just that we go back to our old ways out of episode, smoking or drinking and rabble rousing; eating processed foods, clotting our organs with fats and junk until the body gives up on us again and we're back in clusterville. Who Knows? With a population of one, myself, I don't pretend that my experience has any far reaching implications. I can say factually, that he stopped an almost year long episode cold, ergo not one more headache, back in 1987 when he first worked on me. Since then, I have gone to him when attacks first start,
and they have been handled in 2-6 weeks, before it was 4-12 months per episode, and individual headaches have been MUCH less severe now for 21 years. Believe it, don't believe it, like I said, no gun to your head. BTW, appreciate it if you'd back off the blah, blah stuff. Sort of rude and dismissive, and I can't see where it adds anything to civilized dialog. We're all in this together, no need to be taking pot shots at fellow posters, we're trying our honest best.

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by seasonalboomer on Dec 5th, 2008 at 11:35am
I'll retract the blah, blah, blah as long as you agree to make use of the "return" key now and again and break things into the occasional paragraph. Whenever I see line upon line of response it all starts to melt into blah, blah, blah to me. Could be just me....

Thanks for the primer on Restorative Laser Acupuncture. I hope it continues to help you.

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by fly gas on Dec 5th, 2008 at 12:41pm
Roger.
Return key.
Good idea.
Thanks,
Chris

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by laura on Dec 10th, 2008 at 12:38pm
I saw a chiro about 2 years ago, not for the CH, but because out of cycle and especially in cycle, my whole neck and shoulders were constantly sore.  When I was in cycle, I don't know which felt worse, the pain in my neck and shoulders or the "after shock" of the CH (the time when you feel like your head is one big bruise). I tried massage to relief the tension and soreness, but it did not help, it actually made me feel worse.  The chiro said there was something wrong with the ligaments in my neck.  He did some eletrostimulation on my neck and shoulders, cracked my back and neck, etc.  After 5 sessions (out of cycle) I felt sooo much better.  When my cycle started again, the usual pain in the neck was not as bad and I didn't feel as much tension in my shoulders and back.  That's the only way it helped me.  And let me say, he never stated that chiros hold the cure to migraine and CH.  He said

As for trying other avenues for treatment, I apparently have a hormone imbalance, but it's not based on blood tests.  My GP just asked certain questions.  I have 95% of the symptoms for hormone imbalance.  I would get my blood check, but it's expensive and my insurance won't cover it.  I'm not saying that is causing my CH, but if I treat the imbalance, maybe I will feel better when I'm out of cycle and be able to handle my episodics a little better.

All I'm saying is that I feel like crap when I'm out of cycle and CH makes me feel worse.  If I could find anything to help me feel more healthy, I welcome it.  

Laura

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by fly gas on Dec 10th, 2008 at 4:08pm
Laura,
Chiros are like any other medical people, they range in abilities, interests and training. I liked mine right off, he knew what clusters were, and told me upfront there probably wasn't a lot he could do for them.
For the lucky few who can pop a pill and be done with their clusters, God bless them.
Many other cases get manageable through a mix of techniques. My chiro also has licenses in Applied Kinesiology and acupuncture, and after getting my expectations way down, proceeded to stop a year long cluster attack on the second visit. Don't know if it would work for anyone else, but for 21 years, he has made my episodes a lot more manageable. For alternative medicine, probably the best bet is a multipractitioner clinic, as I don't think any one discipline has all the answers, it is more like trying what makes sense until something finally works. Took me 15 years to find this guy, but there is a lot more known about CH now than before, not saying much, its still an understudied, orphan disease.
BTW, try having the gp give you an annual checkup with blood work.
Most all insurances cover that one, he can sneak in the extra test.
I know what you mean about bucks, I'm counting Zomigs, trying to budget to the end of the month until the insurance will pick up another 8-10 of them.
Whoop de doo............
Best of luck,
Chris

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Rolomatic on Dec 10th, 2008 at 4:16pm

fly gas wrote on Dec 10th, 2008 at 4:08pm:
My chiro also has licenses in Applied Kinesiology and acupuncture, and after getting my expectations way down, proceeded to stop a year long cluster attack on the second visit.


Why am I not suprised to see it pluged again!

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by gus411 on Dec 11th, 2008 at 1:29pm
Funny I've got an appointment with a "special" chiro. on saturday. I've been too chiro's before because I have very bad scoliosis. I dont think its going to work but I'm doing it for my family(wife, mom, dad step parents...) My mom goe to this ladie and said this lady knew all about my CH's and explained to her what causes them and that she could definetly get rid of (BS) So on saturday off to the miracle worker and if she does have the cure I'll be sure to yell at her from all of us here on the site. :D The things we do for our families!!!

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by fly gas on Dec 11th, 2008 at 3:43pm
Gus,
I'm a big proponent of alternative medicine, but.....
If the chiro knows what causes CH, she's way ahead of most. If she says she definitely can cure CH, um, er, I dunno, walk softly. On a good day, to the best of my knowledge and reading, SOME alternative medicines can help SOME ch sufferers, SOME of the time. Maybe something got lost in transitions from your Mom? Like with any health practitioner, ask about background, training, maybe even CH references from those she has worked on, then use your best judgement.
Chiro worked for me, but with other modalities, acupuncture and APPLIED KINESIOLOGY, along with some diet things that I stopped doing to myself.
Best of luck, and do let us know, negative or positive.
Chris

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Marc on Dec 11th, 2008 at 4:14pm
I had a family member push me really hard to see her Chiropractor who said that he knew all about CH’s and could cure me. After hearing this over and over I finally said that I would go if he would offer a money back guarantee.

I never heard about it again.

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Dec 11th, 2008 at 4:32pm
"Alternative medicine" is an oxymoron.

It is not medicine, it's quackery.

And I ask again, where and when did any discipline of "alternative medicine" contribute anything to scientific knowledge?





Gus,
you should make a bet with that miraculous chiro. If she has success you promise to pay $10000 for her art, if not she pays you $10000 for your wasted time.


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Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by ANNSIE on Dec 11th, 2008 at 4:40pm

My late husband who had episodic CH was treated by a chiropractor and physiotherapist at the Pain Clinic he attended while going through a particularly high cycle. The chiro and physio specialised in pain treatment including migraines, chronic headaches and similar. They admitted they had not treated anyone with CH prior but they wanted to try and my late husband was desperate for anything. Unfortunately he did not get any relief for his headaches. He went for a total of 12 treatments over 6 weeks.

I am myself a certified and practising acupuncturist and I would not try it on him knowing that it would not work as a preventive and that any analgesic effect would not be enough during an acute attack. Furthermore I dont think anyone can sit still enough during an attack to have several needles inserted into them.

Many people here have tried acupuncture, physiotherapy, chiropractor ... and no one has reported consistent relief. We have wished people good luck when they embarked on the treatment and asked them to come back to let us know but as yet, no one returned with tales with continued or repeated success.

One person a while ago was so adamant that his chiropractor knew what caused CH and could cure the condition that when I asked him to please invite the practitioner here to talk to us, he agreed. He went back to ask his chiropractor to talk to me about his theory and treatment method. I had several emails back and forth with him and each time the chiro came up with some excuses as to why he could not talk to me, even when I offered to call him in his spare time on my own expense. Eventually my emails went unanswered.

Flygas,

Do you think you can invite your chiro, acupunturist and applied kinesiologist to come talk to us about the treatment they gave you ? I would love to have a talk to them. Maybe they can explain better than you can about how the combination of the above treatments may work for CH.

Wouldnt it be a total break through for modern medicine if your practitioners can crack this mysterious headache ? If the treatment regime indeed will work they will be very rich as CHers from all over the world will flock to them for treatment. Their time spent talking to us will not be wasted.

Please consider my invitation. Thank you.



Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by 1dallis1 on Dec 11th, 2008 at 8:55pm
I'm no expert blogger or any kinda of blogger for that.  But after reading the various thoughts on whether chiros help with CH's or not, I can say from first hand experience that getting an alignment helped relieve my CH's during the peak of my cluster period.  I know that chiros may or may not know diddilly squat about CH's or how to treat them, but after I recieved my alignment and deep tissue massage around the right side (my CH side) of my neck and shoudler area; the end result was no CH's.  I could have very well been at the end of my cluster period, but I think there is more to it.  Obviously no one has the answer to why we get these ridiculous (to describe lightly) headaches and the cure all for everyone or we wouldn't be here.  I'll say this, we know everyone has there own treatments. Some are pretty far fetched and others are as simple as O2.  I believe chiros work for some and I feel the pain for those that they don't (literally).  But if you haven't tried it, I would say give it shot.  You know the relief is far worth the effort.

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Racer1_NC on Dec 11th, 2008 at 8:57pm
I tried it. It didn't help. Did lighten my wallet though.

Bill

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by 1dallis1 on Dec 11th, 2008 at 9:03pm
Well I guess I didn't specify if it was worth the money?  I only said effort.  But if no luck, then definately not worth either.  ;D

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Katherinecm on Dec 14th, 2008 at 9:39pm
Be careful with a chiropractor. They manipulate the position of your neck before the x-ray to make it look worse than it is. A MAJOR complication of neck adjustments is stroke, and for some unknown reason clusterheads are at higher risk for stroke anyway.

Short version: chiros are good with joint pain, whether in your spine or a sprained ankle.  But DO NOT go to a quack who insists they can cure CH or that you need to come in for maintenance or anything else. Go to a chiro who will treat you as needed for pain, not someone who insists the root of all disease is your spine.

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by thebbz on Dec 14th, 2008 at 9:51pm
Didn't work for me. CH is in my head. I can crack that well, by myself. [smiley=hammer.gif] [smiley=hammer.gif]

Title: Re: Chiropractor
Post by Rolomatic on Dec 14th, 2008 at 9:58pm

wrote on Dec 14th, 2008 at 9:51pm:
Didn't work for me. CH is in my head. I can crack that well, by myself.


Me too bbz,

I’ve been going to chiropractors for over 20 years now and I can adjust almost everything on my own except between the shoulders. With the CH aggravating my neck constantly, I figure I save myself about $1500 per year…

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