Genuinely confused. Palin and Bush are "pardoning" turkeys.

What did they do wrong?

They are fucking ugly when alive , but they seem to have done more than this??

Please fill this void in my knowedge


W the B

All the politicians are turkeys, what don’t you understand? ;D

Rolo...

And if Ben Franklin would have had his way, that would be our national bird instead of the bald eagle!!!

And I did love the video of palin pardoning a turkey while they guy behind her is stuffing one into the slaughter machine!!!

                    An excerpt from Franlin's letter!

For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him.

"With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who have driven all the King birds from our Country . . .

"I am on this account not displeased that the Figure is not known as a Bald Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America . . . He is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on."

Guiseppi       (did that answer your question???) ;D

Is  that it Rolomatic?

Pardoning turkeys gets votes???

Forgive my naivety but Bush doesn't need them any more as he is too old to stand again, and Palin blew that one even before she lost r.e. Jonny's video of person stuffing turkeys in killing machine.

Still don't get pardoning turkeys, sorry

W

Guiseppi wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 8:32pm:

And if Ben Franklin would have had his way, that would be our national bird instead of the bald eagle!!! And I did love the video of palin pardoning a turkey while they guy behind her is stuffing one into the slaughter machine!!!                     An excerpt from Franlin's letter! For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him. "With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who have driven all the King birds from our Country . . . "I am on this account not displeased that the Figure is not known as a Bald Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America . . . He is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on." Guiseppi       (did that answer your question???) ;D

Did that answer my question?

Not really :-[

W

Did I just get it.

You can pardon a turkey i.e. save it from death and being eaten, and it shows a merciful nature, but if you pardon a prisoner on Death Row you run a REAL risk that they were guilty.

ergo if you are a politician you should pardon the turkey?????

W

sorry, left-field brain late at night here  :-[

pubgirl wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 8:35pm:

Is  that it Rolomatic? Pardoning turkeys gets votes??? Forgive my naivety but Bush doesn't need them any more as he is too old to stand again, and Palin blew that one even before she lost r.e. Jonny's video of person stuffing turkeys in killing machine. Still don't get pardoning turkeys, sorry W

You got it part right; the turkey is a symbolic gesture. As if they would do the same for the deserving, you would have to back up the horse. They somehow only manage to come through for their cronies in the end.

Roland.. ;)

STILL confused Roland (not many of you around but is my brother's name! honestly!)

Why not pardon the "deserving" instead of ugly turkeys who only really exist for food as they are too ugly for owt else) and who are these deserving?

W

pubgirl wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 8:50pm:

STILL confused Roland (not many of you around but is my brother's name! honestly!) Why not pardon the "deserving" instead of ugly turkeys who only really exist for food as they are too ugly for owt else) and who are these deserving? W

When you know the answer, let us (over here) know! Now you must understand.... ;D

I got it!

Politics there makes no more sense than here, but yours are more weird


happy now

W

pubgirl wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 8:50pm:

STILL confused Roland (not many of you around but is my brother's name! honestly!) and who are these deserving? W

Ramos and Compean :'( :'( :'( :( :( :( :'( :'( :'( >:(

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Presidential Pardon
The turkey that lives to see another day;
2008 marks the 19th anniversary of the practice




Origins
Each year since 1947, the National Turkey Federation and the Poultry and Egg National Board have given a turkey to the President of the United States at a White House ceremony. Since then, presidents have been more likely to eat the turkey rather than give it a reprieve. A notable exception occurred in 1963, when President Kennedy, referring to the turkey given to him, said, "Let's just keep him." It wasn't until the first Thanksgiving of President George H.W. Bush, in 1989, that a turkey was officially pardoned for the first time.

Confusing the Practice
Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush have continued the pardons begun under the first Bush. Some confusion about the true origin of this practice has crept into recent presidential speeches though. One story claims that Harry Truman pardoned the turkey given to him in 1947, but the Truman Library has been unable to find any evidence of this. Another story claims the tradition dates back to Abraham Lincoln pardoning his son Tad's pet turkey.

From Frying Pan Park to Disneyland
What's certain is that since 1989 a turkey—and its alternate—have been pardoned each year. An alternate is chosen just in case the first bird is unable to perform its duties. For fifteen years through 2004, the turkeys were given to Kidwell Farm, a petting zoo at Frying Pan Park in Herndon, Virginia. The turkeys would receive a last minute pardon before arriving, and were then led to their new home at the Turkey Barn after enduring a turkey "roast" full of poultry humor and history.

In 2005 and 2006, however, the turkeys were flown to Disneyland in California where they served as honorary grand marshals for Disneyland's Thanksgiving Day parade. After that, they spent the rest of their lives at a Disneyland ranch. A spot in sunny Disneyland seems immensely preferable to a place called Frying Pan Park if you happen to be a turkey who has just escaped from becoming the main course of someone's Thanksgiving feast.

The People's Choice
On Wednesday, November 26, 2008, President Bush gave two turkeys named Pumpkin and Pecan a last-minute reprieve. The two hail from Ellsworth, Iowa, and were raised under the direction of National Turkey Federation Chairman Paul Hill. The American public was allowed to vote for the turkeys' names on the White House web site. 2007's turkeys were named May and Flower, 2006's were Flyer and Fryer; 2005's were Marshmallow and Yam; and 2004's were Biscuit and Gravy.

pubgirl wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 9:17pm:

Politics there makes no more sense than here, but yours are more weird

No doubt.   ;)

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Best,

George

Maybe some things just aren't meant to be understood????

Charlotte

They are usually Republican turkeys. More of 'em.

What's really hard to understand is; other than save a few gobblers from the chopping block, just what is it that the National Turkey Federation does?

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George wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 11:35pm:

pubgirl wrote on Nov 27th, 2008 at 9:17pm: Politics there makes no more sense than here, but yours are more weird No doubt.   ;) START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGESTART PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE Best, George

Thank you Donna- make a little more sense now.

George -It is even more scary here actually- those are Judges! We also have annual cheese rolling competitions- that has to be nuts.

At least you still have wild turkeys there- can't imagine how they survive without all being shot for Thanksgiving dinners or captured for Presidentail photoshoots

W