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Daily Chat >> General Posts >> Big 3 Stupidity http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1229555135 Message started by Bob P on Dec 17th, 2008 at 6:05pm |
Title: Big 3 Stupidity Post by Bob P on Dec 17th, 2008 at 6:05pm Quote:
Brilliant! Cut the one thing that may dig them out of the hole they're in. |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by Kevin_M on Dec 17th, 2008 at 6:21pm
Some key words from the article could imply the construction contractors want payment more up front.
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No lie. A Chrysler exec calls for parts in another state and can't get them without payment, no credit extended. |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by Bob P on Dec 17th, 2008 at 6:40pm Quote:
Cool! Don't give them the money and let them work their own way out of the hole they dug. |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by Redd on Dec 17th, 2008 at 7:14pm
Trouble with that Bob, is that all the manufacturers that supply the auto companies with the materials they fabricare the cars from...
from the steel mills, to the plastics and rubber factories, glass factories, the machienists who grind the valves and pistons and the aluminum molders who mold the casings...all will be vastly effected and their jobs would be just as at stake as the auto workers in Detroit. It would be a catistrophic domino effect of job losses across the country in these and other industries. |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Dec 17th, 2008 at 7:33pm Redd wrote on Dec 17th, 2008 at 7:14pm:
Okay, but, car sales are down 30%. How can everyone keep their job? |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by Frank_W on Dec 17th, 2008 at 7:40pm
They make it up in volume!! ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by Redd on Dec 17th, 2008 at 7:44pm
They are getting laid off already B$. Just not in the mass numbers they would if the Auto industry failed completely. Sort of like the Newspaper industry. The last 2 quarters have seen an 13% reduction in workforce for Gannett alone (few if any of this is due to atrision because some departments were restructured to leave "open" positions that would go unfilled [read: the employee was fired so they could cut the job]).
Tribune company is in Banckruptcy. Gannett has indicated that even more layoffs are to come in the first quarter of 2009. Who knows what will happen to the Tribune's workforce. I don't follow that company as closely. Newspapaers aren't gone...but many many of the jobs are. |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by BobG on Dec 17th, 2008 at 7:46pm
Hey Bob,
Back in 1990 the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed and it closed. Now we are being asked to provide billion$ for a pack of nit-wits who drove the Big 3 into the ground and have government "experts" run the companies. The same jerks that couldn't make money running a whorehouse and selling booze. Now if that don't make you nervous, what does??? |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by Frank_W on Dec 17th, 2008 at 7:52pm
Seems like they've been doing a poor job of running the whorehouse at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, too. Hrmph...
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Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by deltadarlin on Dec 17th, 2008 at 8:08pm
If it's auto workers being laid off, big deal! Sorry, but all UAW workers are entitled to 90% of their earnings for up to two years (think it also includes benefits). The only way they lose that is if they turn down 2 jobs within a 50 mile radius. Think about that while you collect your own unemployment check, which I can promise you won't be 2 years at 90% of your prior salary.
Let the damned companies reorganize under Bankruptcy, like most companies have to do. |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by Melissa on Dec 17th, 2008 at 8:15pm deltadarlin wrote on Dec 17th, 2008 at 8:08pm:
This must be for auto workers only, because my husbands union is UAW (he works for a paper mill) and he's SOL if they go under... :-/ |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by MITYRARE on Dec 17th, 2008 at 8:41pm
Honda just cut back from 6 days per week production to only 4 from now until end of march 09 rather than lay off staff, so my daughter (works at Honda)is looking for a weekend job to make up the difference.
Her husband just lost his job ( auto sector). My other son in law lost his job this week (auto parts plant permanent closure) so it is really slowing down here in Canada too. |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by Charlie on Dec 17th, 2008 at 11:12pm
Bush and we are stuck having to dig into TARP. Everything from toys to half of our advertising business are dependent on these antique car manufacturers. A-printing we will go.
Bleaugh Charlie |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by deltadarlin on Dec 18th, 2008 at 7:56am
I fully understand the ripple effect that will be caused by the closure/slowing down of USA autos. One of the local mills here has already closed (nothing to do with the auto industry) and there's talk of another closure in another town. One of the local mfg. plants just got a reprieve (another plant in another city will be closed). The local plant made some major concessions to keep their plant open.
How many/how long are we to continue bailing out mismanaged companies? Realistically, do you really think that the American auto mfg. will just shut their doors and never reopen? The UAW best come down off their high horses if they want to protect their current members. Sure, they've given concessions on new hires, but that's not what' bankrupting the companies. |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by fdharden on Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:03am
Prez sez he had to sacrifice free market principles to save the economy. Sounds vaguely familiar: We had to burn the village to save it. (Circa 1968)
Paco |
Title: Re: Big 3 Stupidity Post by Bob P on Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:33am
Housing starts are way down. We should probably throw some money that way so they can keep building houses even though there is a hugh surplus out there that nobody wants to buy. But we have to consider the builders, the suppliers, wood, concrete, hardware, fixtures, truckers, mills, etc.
Maybe the Government should just pay everyone to stay home. We could call it ummmmm, unemployment or welfare or something like that. As my good friend with the aluminum pirate hat says - welcome to the United States of Socialism! |
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