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Message started by stevegeebe on Jan 11th, 2009 at 1:00pm

Title: In the Shadows
Post by stevegeebe on Jan 11th, 2009 at 1:00pm
Of late, I have begun to get more involved in actions directed at "Government" beyond voting. I have written to the Governor, signed recall petitions to oust elected officials abusing their office, written correspondence with my councilman regarding zoning issues and the Tax Assessors office for a recent doubling of taxes on the value of our home in the current economic climate.

My recent baby steps have been prompted by a mistrust of anything that spews from the mouths of our representatives on all levels. I am currently drafting correspondence to my Representatives in Washington. I don't know if it will ever be read by them but I feel compelled to do so with where we stand economically and what I read from varied sources.

Previously, I naively believed that, while a certain amount of chicanery was to be expected, the debate and ultimate resulting legislation was in the best interests of the People. I also believed that our voices were of little consequence and apathetically resigned before attempting to do anything and just begrudgingly accept our fate. I am no longer as evidenced by these baby steps.

Previously, I also discounted some of what I read as conspiratorial crapola aimed at self promotion and worthless causes by anti-government crackpots bent on anarchy and spreading their delusional beliefs. Some of these points of view were indeed outrageous but as I tossed those aside I began to notice other sources that exposed information I believe to be accurate and at the same time very disturbing.

I will, for the point of this discussion, limit the my point to economic concerns since these, to me, seem most sinister. That's not to say other dark things are excluded but with our economic crisis upon us I thought you all would be interested in reading one of the many web sites I find interesting.

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Of particular interest, click on the October 7th article about the Fed.
What is scary is that I rarely see any of these discussions or stories in the Press and that is a whole different and equally disturbing issue.

This Country is in a world of hurt. We are all in a world of hurt and I plan on exercising my right of dissent in any way I can before it is taken away from me. Much work ahead.

Steve G

Title: Re: In the Shadows
Post by Callico on Jan 11th, 2009 at 3:24pm
It is interesting in view of your post, (which i support wholeheartedly), that the advertisement directly below it is "The government gives away $10 Billion in grants.  Learn how togGet your money that you never have to repay."

As one of our founders said when asked how long our country would survive, it was until they learned they could vote money to themselves out of the treasury.  I'm sorry I don't recall who it was, and I don't have the direct quote in front of me right now.

Jerry

Title: Re: In the Shadows
Post by KingOfPain on Jan 11th, 2009 at 5:27pm
Important Quotes from History to ponder before voting
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been about 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: '>From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.
Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747-1813)

Alexander Fraser Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee (October 15, 1747 - January 5, 1813) was a Scottish-born British lawyer and writer.
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When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
Benjamin Franklin

Democracy is a form of government that cannot long survive, for as soon as the people learn that they have a voice in the fiscal policies of the government, they will move to vote for themselves all the money in the treasury, and bankrupt the nation.
Karl Marx

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Title: Re: In the Shadows
Post by vietvet2tours on Jan 12th, 2009 at 6:48pm

KingOfPain wrote on Jan 11th, 2009 at 5:27pm:
Important Quotes from History to ponder before voting
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been about 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: '>From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.
Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747-1813)

Alexander Fraser Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee (October 15, 1747 - January 5, 1813) was a Scottish-born British lawyer and writer.
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When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
Benjamin Franklin

Democracy is a form of government that cannot long survive, for as soon as the people learn that they have a voice in the fiscal policies of the government, they will move to vote for themselves all the money in the treasury, and bankrupt the nation.
Karl Marx

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Yep what Ben said.

       Potter

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