Just curious on your guys experience with CH and Regularly smoking weed, not a puff now and then, but serious pot smokers, any of yous out there, of course.

ciao for now

rodoepig wrote on Jan 17^th, 2009 at 1:24am:

ciao for now

???????????  :-? What does this stand for? Am I missing something obvious? :o

barry_sword wrote on Jan 17^th, 2009 at 11:52am:

rodoepig wrote on Jan 17th, 2009 at 1:24am: ciao for now ???????????  :-? What does this stand for? Am I missing something obvious? :o

ummm, Barry?  Ciao is "bye" or "hello" in Italian, lol

Thanks Mel  :)

I Goggled it!

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Isn't the internet handy? LOL ;D

hi, ive smoked bud since a couple of years before i got Ch, i only recall a few bad episodes and that was from smoking a water bong...which obviously sets of the sinus, which then my eyes got pressure and then the chain reaction begins

but apart from that smoking normal joints only set about a lot of pressure which was just about managable but was long lasting

havnt smoked for several months, but will in the future due to my a.d.d and other reasons
anyway in short smoking its not gunna help, but u can always smoke bud through a vapouriser which isnt smoking and eating...

i also saw a article about cannaboids and CH can anyone give me any futher information ?

edit : the last i smoked bud everyday on the regs was when i brought back aload of buds from a'dam and i cant actually re call any CH attacks.....

It's called dope for a reason kids and yer the proof.

       Potter

     

Potter wrote on Jan 17^th, 2009 at 7:45pm:

It's called dope for a reason kids and yer the proof.        Potter

Thanks Potter


Paul

Potter wrote on Jan 17^th, 2009 at 7:45pm:

It's called dope for a reason kids and yer the proof.        Potter

Just because you don't partake, don't go ripping on us! Every one has their vices and we are just trying to figure out if one of ours might be a problem.

Yes.!!!!!!!!   Thank you Potter.

Potter (and the likes),

I was under the assumption that this was a message board for new members wanting to gather as much information as possible about this illness called Clusterheadaches That is what I am trying to do. I do not recall asking your personal opinion on pot smoking, so why don't you (and the likes), in the future, show some respect and manners, by keeping your personal opinions, on anything other than Clusterheadaches, to yourself. You ignorance is a topic on some other message board.

Thanks to those who answer with intelligance, and don't let people like Potter keep you from this site. I think it is amazing.

Rob

WEED is not good for CH.    

Jeannie

Edit to add:  Your brain cells don't like it much either.

"Potter (and the likes),
I was under the assumption that this was a message board for new members wanting to gather as much information as possible about this illness called Clusterheadaches"

As a newbie, when you ask for advice on something, you're going to get opinions that you might not like.  If you really are interested in learning about cluster headaches, it would serve you well to respect the opinions of long-standing members of this site like Potter.
They've seen a lot of research and they've heard a lot of stories.

"I do not recall asking your personal opinion on pot smoking"

when you post a question on a public thread, yer gonna get public answers!  :D

"so why don't you (and the likes), in the future, show some respect and manners, by keeping your personal opinions, on anything other than Clusterheadaches, to yourself."

Why don't you show some respect to the good people on this board who've been contributing to this site a lot longer than you have?  These threads are all ABOUT personal opinions!!  ::)

Rob…. I am the „likes“ (as you call it) as Potter is……
Your initial post was, and I quote “Just curious on your guys experience with CH and Regularly smoking weed” you have got an opinion..... you just didn’t like it..... so you started an “attack” ,something not very wise to do.....

It is a message board, and a very good one! and the vast “data bank” of information is for you to search,
and learn!
but some how it dose not seem to me that you are on this one (CH.com) to try and gather info and listen to the more experienced “old timers”, I will be honest, I can not figure out what are you trying to do or say.....
other then jump at a respected person!

Or, are you trying to tell me (and other) that smoking drugs is OK? and that it dose not do any thing to your CH? or to your well being.....  ?

and

you post this “Just curious on your guys experience” on Cluster Headache Help and Support board, I fail to see the connection of your inquiry or statement to the purpose of the board you have used….. I don’t believe the use of drugs for recreational purpose is a help or support for CH

I will try and make it clear to you, promoting or justifying drug use, for recreational purpose, is not what this massage board is about, in my opinion...... I have not detected in your post that you suggest that the use of drugs might help in relief from CH episodes..... so I have a feel you suggest use of drugs is OK in your books...... well surprise..... not in my books, and I will fight you and denounce you, and as you call it, the likes of you......

Rob, if your first post was just a miss understanding and your intentions are honest and you are in this to try and gather info. and share info with us about CH I simply suggest re-think or re-phrase your first thread.....  and I will apologise for my (this) replay……

But if you are going to insist on the wording of your initial post and the (uncalled) replay to Potter, I will join the chorus of denouncers, and will expose you and your misconception of this massage board!

Michael

rodoepig wrote on Jan 17^th, 2009 at 11:09pm:

Potter (and the likes), I was under the assumption that this was a message board for new members wanting to gather as much information as possible about this illness called Clusterheadaches That is what I am trying to do. I do not recall asking your personal opinion on pot smoking, so why don't you (and the likes), in the future, show some respect and manners, by keeping your personal opinions, on anything other than Clusterheadaches, to yourself. You ignorance is a topic on some other message board. Thanks to those who answer with intelligance, and don't let people like Potter keep you from this site. I think it is amazing. Rob

Oh no you didn't girlfriend!

The subject and question about cannabis and ch is relevant.. IMHO
Try a little experiment if you're really curious about the effect of cannabis on triggering CH. Stop using it for 5 years.

Now... on to the part where you became disrespectful... some say it triggers cluster headaches,,,

Try this little experiment... stop being disrespectful for five years and see if it helps your CH.

PF wishes to ya.

with warm regards,
Tony

The disrespect on this site amazes me! :D

Does this mean were not going to get to sit around the camp fire and sing... kum bye ya, at the next convention? Bogas..... Coach bill

This really isn't a new conversation, although the participants seem to be new.  May I suggest that anyone interested run a search of the site (Google Advanced Search works well) to ferret out the many, many old and threadbare threads on this subject?  

The consensus (if you can call it that) in the past has been that marijuana is an instant trigger for many--much like alcohol--but not for others.  

I recall at least one person (sensitive to tetrahydrocannabinol while in cycle) who enthusiastically sampled various strains and both species in cultivation--sativa and indica--to see if that made a difference.  To the best of my recollection, it did not.  He still got whacked with a CH every time he smoked pot, but he nevertheless persisted.  Seems a strange thing to me--like inviting Dracula into the house--but so it goes.      

Talk about "recreational" substances on an open forum, and you'll get responses.  Ask a question, and anyone can answer.  You may not care for some of the answers, but hey--you asked.   ;)  

Best,

George

to say weed itself causes Ch is a bit silly...obviously its the smoke itself?...
to the ignorant heads, bud itself if you look at the latest studies has no proven link to mentall health and you could look at the dozens of illness's it helps and prevents
why are pharmacutacol companies around the world extracting cancer killing cells from cannaboids ?

could anyone answer my question about the help cannaboids do with CH, i saw it after someone on here gave me a link but didnt have much research on it...thanks

calum wrote on Jan 18^th, 2009 at 10:57am:

to say weed itself causes Ch is a bit silly...obviously its the smoke itself?... to the ignorant heads, bud itself if you look at the latest studies has no proven link to mentall health and you could look at the dozens of illness's it helps and prevents why are pharmacutacol companies around the world extracting cancer killing cells from cannaboids ? could anyone answer my question about the help cannaboids do with CH, i saw it after someone on here gave me a link but didnt have much research on it...thanks

It's a trigger of great proportions.  Don't discuss your recreational drugs here.

        Kinder gentler Potter

calum wrote on Jan 18^th, 2009 at 10:57am:

could anyone answer my question about the help cannaboids do with CH

Huh?.....You are high, right? :D

er how am i discussing my recreational drug habits? i havnt smoked in over half a year

i found the link

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calum wrote on Jan 17^th, 2009 at 12:17pm:

hi, ive smoked bud since a couple of years before i got Ch, i only recall a few bad episodes and that was from smoking a water bong...which obviously sets of the sinus, which then my eyes got pressure and then the chain reaction begins but apart from that smoking normal joints only set about a lot of pressure which was just about managable but was long lasting havnt smoked for several months, but will in the future due to my a.d.d and other reasons anyway in short smoking its not gunna help, but u can always smoke bud through a vapouriser which isnt smoking and eating... i also saw a article about cannaboids and CH can anyone give me any futher information ? edit : the last i smoked bud everyday on the regs was when i brought back aload of buds from a'dam and i cant actually re call any CH attacks.....

Recreating or smuggling which is it?

      Kinder gentler Potter and the likes

right...well pardon me,
this thread is about weed and CH, so i replied in it, sorry you have to be so petty

dude...take it from me......give up and drop it. not one person here will advocate pot smoking to cure CH.
just DROP IT. if it works for you, keep it to yourself.
go to clusterbusters.com.
i have  nothing more to say

Calum, to the best of my knowledge, pot or whatever you want to call it is a vaso dilator.

CH pain is caused by vaso dilation (very over simplified) which is why we take vaso constrictors such as triptans to alleviate the pain. It's also why caffeine works so well as that too is a vaso constrictor (which is why it can cause headaches for people with normal blood vessels!)

The last thing a clusterhead needs is further dilation of those poor afflicted veins in our noggin so the general consensus is that pot is a major trigger for the majority not a help.

Of course, you'll always find someone to tell you it works but then again - we've had people swearing by blue cheese and vinegar and banana skins wrapped around your head!

I hope this helps, if not you then at least others reading this topic looking for answers.

Helen

hey, i wasnt aware of that, i would of thought it relaxed the muscles in the brain, i wasnt advocating anything i even said a few of my worst attacks have come from smoking....just trying to point out it does more good than harm, random but how do substances like mushrooms and Lsd help CH's ??
caffiene? that seems odd to me as stuff like that and chocolate etc used to cause me migranes as a kid

Calum, no offense, but you have GOT to start reading the information we give you links to!!!  You have been given tons of advice on websites to go to to research every question you have, but you seem to just want everything regurgitated for you!!  :D

GO to clusterbusters.com to learn about the mechanism in the psychadelic compounds that actually affects CH.  Do a search on google to find out what pot really does.  Read the link we have provided you to find out what Cluster Headaches actually are (they have little or nothing to do with muscles!!!)

And please don't say you can't do that because of your ADD.  I have severe ADD.  If you can read these posts, then you can just as easily read the info on the links.  ;)

calum wrote on Jan 18^th, 2009 at 1:01pm:

relaxed the muscles in the brain

Huh?.....You still smoking?

"Muscles in the brain"?.....LMMFAO [smiley=crackup.gif]

Wow!! People need to chill out over here… maybe smoke a little something??
Im kidding ! I actually tested weed & hash (as a preventative) a couple of times and it was a MASSIVE trigger for me.

If it would actually help me—I would use it! but it don’t … so im back to saving some brain cells (lost too many as a kid..  :-X

yeah i know, i didnt really pick up on what people were saying in the first page i skimmed read it and just thought people were just attacking bud
i can obviously read its just articles tend to be an overeload of words and long paragraphs which i find myself reading over and over again and my mind constantly wanders so i dont really take it in, im sure u know what i mean
@ jenny glad to provide amusement

you sound like you do drugs like i do. nobody here likes me for that fact. but were all here for the same reason, CH.
i was in the peak of a cycle and i ate some mushrooms and the next day no HA. i dont know if it will work for you, im not advocating the use of illicit drugs. but take from it what you will,

not really, im just very unarticulate and very bad at getting my point across, i wouldnt class bud or mushrooms as drugs anyways to be honest
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I've just done some searching, and so far the consensus on the board seems to be that pot either triggers clusters (most of the responses) or does nothing (only a couple of people)...I can't find anyone saying it helps.

fair enough, that article i posted must be a load of turd then
smoking in generall is going to be a trigger though isnt it, setting of the sinus ?

DONT SMOKE IN A CYCLE. unless you enjoy the pain.

It has no effect on me, positive or negative, in regards to CH.  Booze on the other hand, errr!  I do miss my drink when in cycle.  Aren't there a few on here  for whom booze isn't a trigger?

I knew this would be a good read. Believe it or not there are some initial studies regarding medical marijuana and migraines/CH. Check out MAPS.org. I have to say if you smoke the weed in an episode ,it's like sticking your hand in the fire. Get ready for pain.
all the best
the bb

I have read in several med. journal articles that the official word on alcohol is that it is a dietary trigger, and that it triggers clusters 70% of the time...so there's a slight chance with every drink that it might not trigger it that time.

ChefChris wrote on Jan 18^th, 2009 at 1:30pm:

you sound like you do drugs like i do. nobody here likes me for that fact. but were all here for the same reason, CH.

Naw being a drug abuser isn't the reason the folks here don't care about you,  it's your lack of veracity.

       Kinder gentler Potter

Potter wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 11:23am:

ChefChris wrote on Jan 18th, 2009 at 1:30pm: you sound like you do drugs like i do. nobody here likes me for that fact. but were all here for the same reason, CH. Naw being a drug abuser isn't the reason the folks here don't care about you,  it's your lack of veracity.        Kinder gentler Potter

;D ;D

I would have tried weed....but I'm afraid of needles.

I would have tried weed....but I'm afraid of needles ;D

I don't care who you are...that thar is funny! ;D

Joe

Now I know why it doesn't work for my headaches

when i started my CH a few years ago almost everything wa a trigger

recently they just work more on the clock.

i have smoked pot when in a cycle...at the time it did nothing (cept make me dance around like a loon) but the next few days were quite ruff.

drinking for me before would bring on a headache within minutes.
be recently again its stopped being a trigger at all....infact if i want to get a good sleep without a headach for once i just get really drunk.

i know what most will say to this but i can assure you that it works for me.
as i said in the topic about shrooms and lsa i have no problems about taking ANYTHING to stop these headaches. but its just hard for me to get the clusterbusting stuff atm so i havnt been able to try that...yet.

there has actually been alot of posts about drinking ALOT of alcohol being able to stop a cycle of headaches for about 24 hours or so...that is why i tried it....i drank one beer and got a monster headache...but kept drinking....12 beers later had the best incycle sleep ever, woke up shit the next day but no headaches.
that is not a good option...it is not a cure...but i keep it in hand and remember EVERYTHING that gets posted...i discard nothing. anything thing that might help me is something in my CV to combat this crap.

most CH meds make me really sick in the long term...esp topamax. o2 is ok but its not mobile enough for me at all...and its only like 50-70% effective...but thats better than nothing....

so.

instead of putting people down over anything just please chill out and do your own thing.
ive been holding off of saying about the drinking thing for ages because i know i would just get flamed like hell here...this is a very friendly site at times but is is also very nasty for alot of new comers.

ive been here for 3 -4 years now and most of my support has been thru pm's
i try to avoid the forums for the most part...its just not a friendly place most of the time...i hope you guys realise that..

anyway...enough of my ramble.

let pl be.
do your own thing.
peace

I think you are right to a degree but there has to be some protection against exploitation.

I also agree that you should say what you want and express your ideas and that some people need to be more tolerant about it even if they don't agree.

There is a lot of really good information on here and it is important to think about what you say in posts.

For my part and I think like most other people use the site to get and give information and support one another. Some are better at it than others and working your way round the more difficult responses keeps you in the loop and less likely to be offended.

Sensitivity is not everyone's forte.

Interesting about the alcohol but I am not going to try it. The risk if it doesn't work doesn't bear thinking about. But good luck to you and I think you are a brave guy to try it.

For me clusterbusters are the ones with the best answer so far.

Like you I keep an open mind to anything that will get us safely pain free.

Don't give up on everyone because some don't agree with you and are blunt about it. Have to say though that Ridicule is a pretty low kind of humour.

Just on point of topic, I have not tried 'dope' to abort an attack. About 20 years ago when I was just in the beginning of a cycle I went on a boat trip complained about the headache someone suggested a joit for pain. I tried it and it worked. In relation to vaso dilation it doesn't make sense to to use 'dope'.

Ellick

Quote:

there has actually been alot of posts about drinking ALOT of alcohol being able to stop a cycle of headaches for about 24 hours or so...

Could you please show us where you saw that one?

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Quote:

instead of putting people down over anything just please chill out and do your own thing. ive been holding off of saying about the drinking thing for ages because i know i would just get flamed like hell here...this is a very friendly site at times but is is also very nasty for alot of new comers.

Let me try to explain THAT one.

We have newbies coming here on an almost daily basis.  People who are hurting and desperate.  Instead of reading about the physical aspects of this condition and scientific information to help them...they read that drinking 12 beers and getting sloppy drunk helped or WEED helped....or a dozen other crazy things helped and so they go and try it only to suffer needlessly.

          THAT is why crack-pot theories get jumped on. !!!!!!!!

cyberone wrote on Jan 24^th, 2009 at 9:58am:

....infact if i want to get a good sleep without a headach for once i just get really drunk.

I bet O2 is much nicer to your liver!

::)

cyberone wrote on Jan 24^th, 2009 at 9:58am:

when i started my CH a few years ago almost everything wa a trigger recently they just work more on the clock. i have smoked pot when in a cycle...at the time it did nothing (cept make me dance around like a loon) but the next few days were quite ruff. drinking for me before would bring on a headache within minutes. be recently again its stopped being a trigger at all....infact if i want to get a good sleep without a headach for once i just get really drunk. i know what most will say to this but i can assure you that it works for me. as i said in the topic about shrooms and lsa i have no problems about taking ANYTHING to stop these headaches. but its just hard for me to get the clusterbusting stuff atm so i havnt been able to try that...yet. there has actually been alot of posts about drinking ALOT of alcohol being able to stop a cycle of headaches for about 24 hours or so...that is why i tried it....i drank one beer and got a monster headache...but kept drinking....12 beers later had the best incycle sleep ever, woke up shit the next day but no headaches. that is not a good option...it is not a cure...but i keep it in hand and remember EVERYTHING that gets posted...i discard nothing. anything thing that might help me is something in my CV to combat this crap. most CH meds make me really sick in the long term...esp topamax. o2 is ok but its not mobile enough for me at all...and its only like 50-70% effective...but thats better than nothing.... so. instead of putting people down over anything just please chill out and do your own thing. ive been holding off of saying about the drinking thing for ages because i know i would just get flamed like hell here...this is a very friendly site at times but is is also very nasty for alot of new comers. ive been here for 3 -4 years now and most of my support has been thru pm's i try to avoid the forums for the most part...its just not a friendly place most of the time...i hope you guys realise that.. anyway...enough of my ramble. let pl be. do your own thing. peace

Let me be the first to fulfill your expectations.  
Drinking to excess cures clusters?  What a load of crap.

     Kinder gentler Potter

Mrs Deej wrote on Jan 24^th, 2009 at 2:00pm:

I bet O2 is much nicer to your liver! ::)

I'll back your bet if anyone takes it.....LMAO!  ;)

For those who dont want to read 2 pages of more weed talk, here's your synopsis:

1.  Question about weed comes up.
2.  People reply that weed is a trigger to many.
3.  Someone gets their feelings hurt that people wont justify them smoking weed.
4.  People throw out the "respect card"
5.  Someone tells a joke (I like this part)
6.  In the end, noone has any good evidence that weed is anything better for CH than a possible trigger

I can't wait for the next multi-page thread about weed where we find out the same 2 things:

Weed isn't good for CH
Weed doesn't help your brain

OK.... can we get back to wrapping our heads in bananas which I would be more likely to do when stoned!

For those newbies here, ask questions and read away.  If you have Ch or support someone who has it, there is great advise all over this place.  Weed just isn't an answer.

Fram...

Very nice review and conclusion.....  :)

Thanks,
Jackie

Wonderfully written Frammie  :-*

@Linda_Howell
Could you please show us where you saw that one?

there was a thread on here about maybe two to three years ago (old forum) which said something along the same lines...it of course got flamed to hell and i believe was eventually deleted. not for what the original poster said but for the childish flame war that evolved out of it.

also this post from the cluster headaches australia site...

"After 18 months or so of clusters, without any diagnosis, I discovered that if I drank a bottle of vodka before the initial attack struck, it wouldn't. Then I would be OK for two days, because I never get an attack after getting pissed. As I work two on, two off, I had found a way to defeat the beast. Except I was climbing into a bottle. Are there any Neurololgists gathering info out there? Why could this possibly be?
Anyway- thanks to the good people here, I asked at my local Apteka (Chemist) and got Imagren under the local name at half the price and over the counter. I hope the joy I feel makes good things happen for you all, too.
Peter."

of course i almost never do it. but i have once or twice out of pure desperation and it worked. im not saying anyone should try it. was just giving my experiences for people to take it or leave it.

@others
as for the 02 being better for my liver thats true but its just a shame that the oxygen doesnt work as well for me as some.

@potter.
did you even read the post properly?
i never said cure..in fact i said that is nothing of the sort. i also said that it is NOT a good option and that i rarely every do it.

i always thought it was important to share as much info on our experiences as we could...suppose i was wrong. how sad.

cyberone wrote on Jan 25^th, 2009 at 6:16am:

@potter. did you even read the post properly? i never said cure..in fact i said that is nothing of the sort. i also said that it is NOT a good option and that i rarely every do it. i always thought it was important to share as much info on our experiences as we could...suppose i was wrong. how sad.

I guess I am confused as to what value you feel this information has if it is (IN YOUR OWN WORDS) "not a good option".   In all honesty, this idea seems mighty dangerous and possibly could cause more pain for most people.  

Should I post every BAD OPTION I can think of that might give us a little pain relief?

I am sorry if this sounds harsh but with alcohol being one of the more widely accepted triggers, your suggestion sounds more foolish or dangerous than helpful and you are acting like you are trying to help.

With this said, maybe the alcohol idea would be better kept between you and those doctor's researching CH and off a message board where newbies might see it, try it, and end up drunk and getting a kip 10 for reading your "helpful" post.

I am serious though.  If you have found this to work, please email doctors who are researching CH and let them know.  If anyone can gain true value from your information, it would be them.

This has always been a contentious subject.

Frammy, he got that alcohol post from a CH message board, and I agree, it's not a good idea to post such things.

Pot has always triggered some, never triggered others, and hasn't really been discussed as a real help.

Here's something interesting, though...
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Though it doesn't mention CH specifically, there may be a basis for why some say it helps.

This is starting to sound like the "cracksmoking" thread...

Cyberone, I think you've got to look at this in the context of a support site for a rare disorder: there's lots of new, desperate people in pain who come here and don't have the energy to sort through hundreds of posts- they may pick up on one or two things and go try it...so we have a bit of a duty to be very clear about what we, as a community, sanction as reasonable things to try.  Remember, a lot of subtleties and nuances of language are lost in a typed post on a computer screen.

As for all the ideas about getting baked or getting tanked, aside from a nasty hangover and depletion of nutrients from an already taxed-out body, what's the point?  I'm very med-resistant, and the only thing that can help me (besides my ADD meds) is heavy narcotics; but I RARELY EVER use them, because it just knocks me out and I lose a whole day.  To me, it's the same as being passed-out drunk or high.  (except that those options are triggers.)  :P

weed bad and illegal. push the weed somewhere else.
i cant believe it but im with potter on this. :o

wrote on Jan 25^th, 2009 at 4:31pm:

weed bad and illegal. push the weed somewhere else. i cant believe it but im with potter on this. :o

I never said it was bad.  It has it's place, just not on this forum.

              Kinder gentler Potter

correction:
weed bad for me and it doesnt belong on this forum.
there are some useful medicinal purposes for weed but ch isnt one of them.

Acid has its place on this forum, mushrooms have their place, RC seeds, etc.  Clusterbusters is considered a valuable and reliable source.  Hallucinogenic substances obviously have their place in CH dialogue.

I'm sure also, considering the amount of pharmaceutical use among this particular group (not a judgement!) that pharmaceutical remedies for depression, stress, etc. are relevant and acceptable topics on this open forum in regards to how they can make life w/CH more bearable day to day aside from directly treating the pain.

Marijuana is a drug proven to have both physiological and psychological benefits, although not without physiological and psychological drawbacks, like any ingested or otherwise absorbed substance.

In my humble one, if it is relevant and beneficial in making life for a CH sufferer better, it is appropriate for that person to bring it here and expect to be affirmed by those who agree and respectfully disputed by those who disagree.

The dissent in this issue is not respectful.  Value judgements were immediately made and voiced with an air of arrogant moral authority.

Marijuana has shown no benefit, and often triggers CH.  That being said, marijuana has no place in my life, and I feel that there are others who use it unwisely and detrimentally.  But it is clear that it does have benefits for MANY, even using it daily, making it worth the risk of side-effects.

Many intelligent people on this board do as much harm to their body through legal means, such as consuming the nutritionally degraded trash that passes as food these days or using pharmacology to treat psychological, not neurological problems.  But because these are considered legal and even 'normal' they are accepted implicitly, while marijuana draws objection because it is propagandized as inducing morally regressive behavior, which is a gross misrepresentation if not an outright lie.

Law is not based on morality, it is based on political and economic expedience.  Wake up.  Perhaps weed erodes people's work ethic, but that is as much due to the bullshit work we are forced to do in this society as much as it is to do with altering effects of the drug.  You have been trained to avoid marijuana because if you enjoyed it the system may be at risk of losing a little worker ant, and if lots of people enjoyed it the system would lose lots of little worker ants.

Marijuana was placed naturally on gods green earth.  No natural morality could possibly consider it offensive, only a morality built on the idea that we all should work our asses off every day for the man and not enjoy anything that might create inclinations otherwise or fulfillment outside of the material realm.

There is massive intolerance for opinions and lifestyles here and it seems like many of the "old timers" of this board try to equate niceness, openness, and compassion with length on the board, which is utterly irrational, and to be believed require blind and uncritical faith and obedience like that with which those people cling to their world views.  People here are great resources for info on CH but generalizations about the character of these people are inevitably simplistic and deceptive.  No unconditional love here.

You've mistaken this message board for the "Legalize-it.com" users site.

This is not a publicly funded forum that you have a "right" or are entitled to say anything you want. This is a forum set up by DJ and kept running by him and his wife. Like many of us, if we had our name attached to a site like this, we would not want the site to regularly degenerate into conversations about acid, pot or promulgate fantastical bulls&*^ about how a fifth of vodka worked better than any pharmaceutical someone had ever used.

So, in some ways, when you're here, think of it as sitting on DJ's back deck and you're in a discussion. Imagine everyone on the deck with you saying that "wink-wink" it's best to not talk about some of that stuff here.

If you notice, many of the conversations about psilocybin are referrred to clusterbusters.com. That's a polite way of moving the conversation to the best forum possible for that subject. They have all the studies and offer excellent information on the subject.

If you don't like it....well, who cares?

Marijuana was placed naturally on gods green earth.  No natural morality could possibly consider it offensive, only a morality built on the idea that we all should work our asses off every day for the man and not enjoy anything that might create inclinations otherwise or fulfillment outside of the material realm.
There is massive intolerance for opinions and lifestyles here and it seems like many of the "old timers" of this board try to equate niceness, openness, and compassion with length on the board, which is utterly irrational, and to be believed require blind and uncritical faith and obedience like that with which those people cling to their world views.  .  No unconditional love here

Ricin is also naturally occurring, as is heroin....your logic is sorely lacking in intelligence. As to "Massive Intolerance"......again, one thread...espousing overdosing on alcohol as a cure for CH....many old timers feel obligated to call BS, for the sake of newbies who haven't learned the basics.

I like Boomers' comparison to DJ's front porch. You're welcome to come sit, chat a while, we'll help you any way we can. You start spreading piles of manure on his porch, don't be suprised if we boot your arse off the porch. It's called life son. As you grow up, it'll make more sense to you.

Joe

Brian,

You have very much mistaken the objections on the thread to be some sort of moral objections.  They are not.  People are disagreeing with the idea that weed is a viable abortive for CH.  Many furthermore add that it gives NO VALUE in the fighting of CH and can in fact be a trigger.

So, I understand how people can feel attacked but the "old timers" here are very protective of new people who might read this kind of thread and go out and makes things worse for themselves by smoking weed.

As for the DJ's porch reference, that is 100% correct BUT DJ and Steph have NEVER chosen to sensor ideas, ideals, or opinions.  They have asked for people to be respectful of other posters, but they do not sensor opinions, although they do have that right.

It isn't about legal/moral, it is about effectiveness.  So I think I will summarize again:

WEED can be a trigger
WEED is NOT an abortive
WEED in many countries is illegal
You can feel free to try it, but there is no evidence it will help

Now, everyone, lets have a wonderful day!!!!!

I like cake.

 Kinder gentler Potter

brian wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 3:33am:

No natural morality could possibly consider it offensive, only a morality built on the idea that we all should work our asses off every day for the man and not enjoy anything

I don't have a job and have no desire to go find one so my ass will be fine. Is it OK for me to smoke a little pot, not for reason's of CH, but just cause I want too?

3 freaking pages! I can't believe it! I think I feel a yawn coming on.

Well, Thanks Guys

Looks like a lot of different opinions on this subject, which seems to be the norm of all questions asked, which is what makes this forum so imformative, for me anyways. Thats my opinion.

I'll leave it at that
Thanks to all
Rodoepig - oink oink

Although these studies were not specifically related to CH.. the following video shows an interesting study comparing the various drugs mentioned in this thread  ::)

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with warm regards,
Tony

Potter, the cake is a lie.

Tony: I freaking love that video. It's so awesome.

THC may take the edge off the pain in some cases, but is usually ineffective. As far as I know, the only illegal drugs that help are psilocybin mushrooms. But you can't function on those, so it sort of defeats the purpose.

memling wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 3:25am:

THC may take the edge off the pain in some cases, but is usually ineffective. As far as I know, the only illegal drugs that help are psilocybin mushrooms. But you can't function on those, so it sort of defeats the purpose.

You're not suppose to function during a shroom trip.  It's what is does to you the days/weeks afterwards and for me that is cluster-free.  That to me does not defeat any purpose at all.  I don't understand your post.

This thread should be locked.  It's going no where!

Chad wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 8:04am:

This thread should be locked.  It's going no where!

Imagine that ... a thread on weed not going anywhere ... how fitting ;)

I'm sorry.  I just couldnt' help myself  ;D

-Dennis-

Tony,

Now that is funny

lol

So what I'm wondering is how many people watched the entire video? I can bet big bucks that my loved one did not!!! Oh what he missed out on!  And you can ask HIM why I said he wouldn't have watched it!!!

[smiley=crackup.gif]

(Ducking)

LET ME GUESS  Christy.   The big bad copper is afraid of a teeny weeny spider.


Am I correct?

8-)

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  I don't think it is a trigger. try only smoking on your off periods or after a CH to see if it sets off another.   I get my headaches at about 9am and 6 pm, so I know smoking is not an option then. afternoons and late nights is when I can smoke.

I fear nothing!!!! There's just something inately wrong with a creature that needs 8 freaking legs to get around. Thas messed up. >:(

The queen better be ducking and covering!!!!!

Joe

Mungk wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 8:27pm:

I don't think it is a trigger. try only smoking on your off periods or after a CH to see if it sets off another.   I get my headaches at about 9am and 6 pm, so I know smoking is not an option then. afternoons and late nights is when I can smoke.

Dope.

     Kinder gentler Potter

Me lips are sealed.  [smiley=lipsrsealed.gif]

If you smoke it so be it.

If you smoke it and it triggers a Ch then you know what to stop doing.

It is that simple.

Mungk wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 8:27pm:

I don't think

That's your fucking problem!

You show up here with two post's under your belt and you're going to give advice when you cant even think?

With all due respect, you sir are a dumbass! >:(

I guess I will be going into lockdown for pointing WTF you are, but it's worth it, Loser! [smiley=hurl.gif]