I apologize for yet another post about diarhea but believe me my wife is more annoyed about this than anyone ;D  

I recently reorder some seeds.  I took my normal dose of 45 seeds.  A couple hours after my first dose of the new seeds my stomach started  doing flips.  I attributed them to being new and more potent.  So my second dose, a couple hours ago of 35 seeds, the same thing happenend.  

What gives here?  I am trying to kick this cycles ass and I can't get the seeds to stay in me.  I then have to wait 5 more days to try again.

You thinki I can try sooner?  Any idea why this is happening when I have been using the seeds every 5-7 days for almost a year now?

ANyone else have these stomach issues when using seeds?  This did happens once last year with a dose of 60 seeds and those seeds were fairly new as well.  Any insight from the informed would be appreciated

I'm taking doses of 75-80 RC seeds, ground up in a pepper mill then soaked for 2-3 hours - then I swallow the entire sludge. Never any stomach problems yet.

I've "on the edge" of being really successful with seeds, but not quite. I've recently decided to copy some other folks who dose more often. I'm going to try 3 doses in a 10-12 day period - just started last night so I don't know yet................

Because I've never felt any kind of psychoactive symptoms, I'm hoping that the receptors shutting down isn't true for me.  Shooting in the dark, but what the heck.

I've heard stories of HBWR seeds causing stomach distress, but I thought that I recall you switching yo RC? Is it possible that your seeds were treated with an anti-fungal agent?

Marc

I had some very minor stomach cramping with the HBW seeds, but nothing to concern myself with.  

I did 40- and 50-RC seed doses with no problems, but when I did a 70-seed dose this last time (from the same, now slightly older batch) I got some minor tummy rumblings, and then about 4 hours later I felt hungover like I'd been on a 5-day bender.  The only other difference was that I soaked the first 2 batches for 1 hour, and the last batch for 3 hours.  Who knows?? :o

never tried anything but the RC so I am not sure what the problem could be.  I am going to keep at it in 5 days an go down to 25 seeds.  

I am wondering if I should "air" them out for a couple days.  Maybe being sealed in a bag keeps the potency up.  Just a though

kevmd wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 2:56pm:

What gives here?  I am trying to kick this cycles ass and I can't get the seeds to stay in me.  I then have to wait 5 more days to try again. You thinki I can try sooner?  Any idea why this is happening when I have been using the seeds every 5-7 days for almost a year now?

If you are injesting the seeds themselves, I'd stop that and just drink the liquid.
I wouldn't soak them any longer than 1 hour. That is all that is needed to extract the LSA. If you're soaking them longer, you may be extracting more of the other substances than need be. There are ergot cousins in there.
Are these stronger? Could be. No way to tell. Tests show that seeds from the same batch can have a wide range of LSA content. Some may have none at all. Thats why it helps when the dose is 30-40 seeds. It should average out.

You should have absorbed all or most of the LSA within a couple hours. No need to think about redosing if you keep the liquid down for over an hour.

Are you drinking the liquid on an empty stomach? You shouldn't be eating for a couple hours beforehand. But, if you aren't eating prior to, and are having this problem, you could probably try eating a couple crackers beforehand. Wouldn't hurt the absorbtion and might help quiet the tummy.

You could also try drinking it in two sessions. Drink one half and wait 30 minutes. Then drink the other half.

Maybe your stomach is just getting tired of the nasty taste? Try mixing the liquid with cranberry juice. Its not bad over ice!

Bobw
If you find something that helps with the nausea, let us know. Everyone is different and it helps to add to the database for the next guy.

I've got a good mixer- I mix mine with Dole brand "Paradise Blend" juice (in the refrigerated section, with eggs & butter & stuff.)  It's got a good amount of fiber in it which is always good for digestion, isn't fatty (fat can coat the lining of the stomach and inhibit proper absorption, I'm told) and the flavor really helps mask the seed taste.  

OH! DUH!  >slaps forehead<  I forgot...the first two times, I took good ol' Dramamine before I dosed!!  I wasn't queasy at all when I did that!  :D

the last 2 times I took them was probably on an empty stomach but probably not the first time.  Yes, I have grown real sick of the taste.  Especially after quitting smoking, my taste and smell are stronger.  I feel sick when just crushing them.  

maybe I am over soaking them.  Last time was about 3 hours and the time beofre I soaked them over night

Crush them, soak in cranberry juice for 1 hour, and then drink just the liquid?  

I would think that your stomach absorbs enough LSA before you even bring them up.  The reason I say this is because I actually did puke on shrooms years ago and I remember the experience being way more intense after that.  I knew something absorbed after that.  Anyway, I got the stomach nausea after dosing 65 seeds, but it's really
hard to make me puke without pulling the plug, LOL!  I just drank some ginger ale to calm the stomach.  Mineral/seltzer/sparkling water would work too I guess.  All in all I think pink floyd hit it on the money saying that you absorbed the LSA before you brought them up.  

I soak mine an hour in water. 25 to 35 seeds in a coffee grinder. The finer the grind the better.Strain the muck out and drink. The water free's up the LSA or amides.
Eat two hours before. I get poopy when I drink on an empty stomach.
all the best
the bb

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Add some american slice cheese to the crackers (not the aged kind). Helps a bit to keep it all together. Wait a few minutes after dosing.

The seeds are an exceptional source of fiber and were used by the ancients as a remedy for intestinal issues

kevmd wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 9:05am:

Crush them, soak in cranberry juice for 1 hour, and then drink just the liquid?

Almost...LOL.
Soak them in water for an hour.
Drain off the bits of seed.
Add some cranberry juice to the water to make it taste better.
Drink the water/cranberry/lsa juice.

Bottoms up!
Bob

Marc wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 5:38pm:

I've "on the edge" of being really successful with seeds, but not quite. I've recently decided to copy some other folks who dose more often. I'm going to try 3 doses in a 10-12 day period - just started last night so I don't know yet................ Because I've never felt any kind of psychoactive symptoms, I'm hoping that the receptors shutting down isn't true for me.  Shooting in the dark, but what the heck. Marc

Sorry to change the subject Kev.

Marc
Theres a theory I have that closer dosing has a more beneficial effect at least for me.  I have had huge success with it.
May not work for others and I dont reccomend it for most, only if normal hit and wait dosing isnt doing the job.

The idea is to actually keep the specific CH receptors shut down. (closed door affect) retraining the receptors.
Your using a fairly high dose which slams the doors shut and they open just as quick like a revolving door.

Try to keep the door closed with a gentle pressure from the seeds reducing each consecutive dose for a few days and then give it a break.
Remember one doesnt have to feel the head effects of the seeds to reap the benefits.

Once the receptors returned to normal then I was able to stretch out the dosing to 4-6 weeks.
Over the last 3 years I have had to do this maybe 3 times to bring things back into a pain free perspective. Dosing on a daily basis.

Thanks for the info MJ, and Bob. Also want to thank all for thier input because its been over a year since i had anything strech out to make me feel like cycle was coming. I had a solo back in june or july, kip 7 at best. The Beast is always changing the line-up and bringing in the "ringer" late in the game, just when you think you have the game won. So having all this info is like having a fast baserunner causeing havoc on the Beast's defence. Thanks... Coach Bill

MJ,

I do appreciate the input. I've been ramping up the doses, so I'll reverse course and try it your way! The way I see it, I have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

Again, I'm most certainly seeing good results from the seeds - better than anytime in my 12+ years of being chronic - just want to see if can get them under more complete control.

How many were you taking during the daily period?

Marc