The mother of a woman who gave birth on Monday to octuplets said her daughter already has six children at home and was undergoing fertility treatment.
The six older siblings range from ages 7 to 2
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The doctor implanted 8 embryos.  
Am I wrong to say 'wtf is wrong with her'?
It's a uterus, not a clown car.  

LOL.

Thanks - needed that.

Not uncommon to implant lots of embryos.  Sometimes only 1 makes it to term.

We have a friend who already had 5 children and wanted another.  She did in-vitro again (they implanted 3 embryos) and now she has 8 children.

Fertility is a weird thing.

Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  What was she thinkin'.  Nothing apparently.  Oh well, none of my business....just can't imagine such 'goings on'... :P

"Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq."

Im sorry but having 8 newborn s with 6 other kids when your husband is heading back to Iraq sounds very foolish.

Call me CRAZY, but 2 was enough for me and that was a long time ago.  14 children and the other 6 aren't even old enough to help.  She has to have many screws loose.  The house didn't even look big enough for the people already there.  I guess they will have to have ship sleeping schedules around the clock.

Louise [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=twocents.gif]

A recent fark.com headline on the event....

(CNN) Followup  Octuplets doing well, breathing on their own, squirting ink      

I bwahaha'd at that.   ;D ;D  

Some folks like having lots and lots of babies. Not many, but some. All the power to them.

But one would think they'd want to have the proper support networks in place BEFORE potentially increasing the size of their passel from 6 to 14. And dad leaving home just in time for the big event sounds less than brilliant to me.

Playing devil's advocate here:

The media and viewer's of so-called "news" programs blasted this woman as "irresponsible" for having 8 more babies ... HOWEVER...

When a woman has an unwanted pregnancy ended, and some do this over and over, we are all told to hush- its her choice. Reproductive rights

So who are we to tell this woman that she is being irresponsible for WANTING baby(s)?  Isn't giving birth a CHOICE too?

off my soapbox now.

This is a tough one for me.  We wanted a large family and have one ... though we did it one kid at a time over 19 years.

Here's the rub ... I can't see any ethical Dr implanting 8 embryos in a womb that has already produced 6 other full term babies.  It just doesn't sound right.

If the oldest is 7, how many of her previous kids were multiples?  The math just doesn't work.  Are they all from a test tube?

There may be something wrong with her for wanting that many.  Hell there might be something wrong with me.  I'm not going to pass judgement on her while living in my own glass house.  

But for sure that Dr should have his license revoked.

-Dennis-

DennisM1045 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 12:33pm:

Hell there might be something wrong with me.

:-X
You sure are making this difficult, brutha.

You wrote what I have been thinking Dennis.  Something about this doesn't seem right.

I know plenty of people who have gone to fertility specialists to concieve, but a woman who already has 6 babies?  Implanting 8 embryos seems excessive.

I thought having 7 kids was a challege.  Those babies will be in the hospital for 2 months until they are able to come home.  I sure hope that is enough time for her to get some help.  She's going to need it. There is no way one person can do this alone.  

It gets better...
(CBS) CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.

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Lobster wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 1:29pm:

It gets better... (CBS) CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE

Then how in the world did they pay for in-vitro fertilization?

From the article:
The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man.

Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets' maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies' mother already had six young children.  And a family acquaintance had told Kauffman that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.

There was some other mention later on in the article about taking fertility drugs "on her own" and coming into the clinic that treated her already 3 months pregnant.  (Is there a black market for fertility drugs?  I can't even get my allergy medicine refilled without a doctor's scrip and people can get FERTILITY drugs??)

Also - there is no mention of a FATHER in the article.

Curiouser and curiouser . . . .

Makes you wonder who will be paying the malty million dollar hospital bill? [smiley=deal2.gif]

It's not so much that I am against large families, my mother was 1 of 18.  But I think I remember some news cast saying that she didn't know who the father is.  And when you already have 6 and have no place to live, I don't know, Just not responsible.

L

Blue_eyes wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 2:29pm:

Makes you wonder who will be paying the malty million dollar hospital bill? [smiley=deal2.gif]

I think you will know the next time your insurer denies your request for CH meds.  

That is my gripe.  These people who were already apparently living beyond their means are still shooting kids into the world... this time by the truckload.    

Louise Barham wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 2:41pm:

But I think I remember some news cast saying that she didn't know who the father is.

Heh heh... if it was in-vitro I would guess it is the guy who jerked-off into the cup.  

But as MW pointed out some sources are saying it was through fertility drugs... in which case it could have been anyone.

Mosaicwench wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 1:41pm:

There was some other mention later on in the article about taking fertility drugs "on her own" and coming into the clinic that treated her already 3 months pregnant.  (Is there a black market for fertility drugs?  I can't even get my allergy medicine refilled without a doctor's scrip and people can get FERTILITY drugs??)

Wow, my wife nailed this one last night.  Her speculation was black market fertility drugs gone bad.  I didn't believe her.

-Dennis-

Brew wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 1:07pm:

DennisM1045 wrote on Jan 30th, 2009 at 12:33pm: Hell there might be something wrong with me. :-X You sure are making this difficult, brutha.

Fire away Bill!!!  I know you jab with love  :-*

-Dennis-

CBS News covered the story this morning and interviewed a fertilty doctor. The question was brought up how a fertility physician could even justify this behavior. He said most clinics don't have a policy but a psychiatric work up is done  (or should be) on each of the patients. Her family background should have exempted her from any intervention. His conclusion is that this is not a miracle but a medical misfortune that will make people look infavorable at fertility counseling and assistance. The medical bills are just the beginning where financial assistance will need to occur.

Charlotte

Sorry, the whole situation makes me mad.

I think this whole situation smells to high heaven.  Something isn't right.

Oh come on people... where is your entrepreneurial spirit???

This IS america... and we've proven time and again that book rights, movie rights, and endorsements are the rewards of a sideshow hungry audience!!!

I have a wittle itty bitty sneaky hunch that if the litter lives for two years they'll have amassed a trust fund that will have them sitting pretty by the time they reach 18.

Gotta love it

with warm regards,
Tony

Hadn't thought of that . . . . :-?

If she's going to be a drain on others wallets due to her choice, I have no praises for her.  I also feel bad for all those children. :(

Tony,

You stole the words right out of Erik's mouth! Great (or is it creative) minds think alike ;).

Charlotte

Artonio wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 5:38pm:

Oh come on people... where is your entrepreneurial spirit??? This IS america... and we've proven time and again that book rights, movie rights, and endorsements are the rewards of a sideshow hungry audience!!! I have a wittle itty bitty sneaky hunch that if the litter lives for two years they'll have amassed a trust fund that will have them sitting pretty by the time they reach 18. Gotta love it with warm regards, Tony

At today's interest rates, it will take that long to be worth anything!

And then there is that show on TLC about the parents with 8(?) kids... 3 plus the 5 that were born (I can't think of the word for 5 kids at once), I'm sure the $ the show pays them helps support the family.

Yes, and the family with 15 and counting, or however many they have now...

It is common in IVF to implant more than 1 (a friend of mine was having 4 implanted at a time and had 0% success over 4 years & 9 attempts).

I can't believe they said she plans to breast feed them all. She'll be doing nothing else with her whole day, even if she does 2 at a time!  :o

Chris - quintuplets.

The family on TLC is Jon and Kate Plus 8.  The family with so many kids (if it's the one I"m thinking of) is the Duggers and they now have 18 children (and to my knowledge based on what I've read, the Duggers do not and have never received public money of any kind, they are self-supporting), Joshua, Jana & John-David (twins), Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, Jedidiah & Jeremiah (twins), Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Johannah, Jennifer and Jordyn-Grace Makiya,

Em wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 9:45pm:

I can't believe they said she plans to breast feed them all.

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There is a reason, besides bilateral symmetry, that humans have only two nipples.

Steve G

   I am actually torn between two lines of thought here. One being, it's her life, and as long as my taxes aren't paying for it, she can have 32 of the little bastards if she wants.
   The other being, what kind of upbringing could these kids have. Something has got to be lacking there. Not enough time there to attend to all of them. She should of left the hospital with 9 packages. 8 babies and her uterus.
   Either way, it's a definite, WTF was she thinking.

Mike

A manufactured Jerry Springer one-hour special.

You know what will make me happy? When cable "news" quits broadcasting these stories all damned day for weeks. I miss the old days when this kind of thing would show up for no more than ten minutes on 60 Minutes...once and if there was new information, it might pop up in sunday suppliments or Life Magazine.

It's turned into one of those stupid CNN Headline stories by Suze Ormand...I'm not sure I have the name right... that waste space on my Time-Warner that I pay for. A few minutes a day if something big happens is all I need. Stupidity shouldn't be national entertainment.

It does get people to watch and buy shit sold by that screaming fat guy all day long though.

Geeze!

Charlie

ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD, all her babies were born either by invitro or a sperm donor because she's not married and doesn't have a significant other (and now, what man in his right mind would marry a woman with a gaggle/brood/litter of 14 kids?).

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I take back what I said.  Who am I to judge her.  I am no better a person then.

Brew wrote on Jan 31^st, 2009 at 9:31am:

A manufactured Jerry Springer one-hour special.

Oprah is the first step. I would not give this woman a dime!   START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE

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the Duggers do not and have never received public money

No, I caught an episode of 18 and Counting yesterday and they also have no personal debt. No mortgage, loans. Nothing.

What would make a single woman with 6 children want more? And if she's gone down the IVF route, how did she afford it?

I just hope those babies and the older siblings are cared for and not turned into some kind of circus act.

It makes me damn mad, too....there's no husband, never was- the grandmother was on the news saying her daughter wanted kids since she was a teenager, but never wanted to get married- ALL of these kids have been IVF.   :o

The grandmother is furious at the daughter, too (yeah, guess who's taking care of all the rest of 'em!!) and told her that she won't be there when she gets home from the hospital.

Funny thing is, the daughter is supposedly in SCHOOL right now!!  How the HEYALL did she afford all of these treatments???  (A nanny was interviewed and said she once asked, and the girl told her she got PAID....but she didn't elaborate....)  :-?

Some excerpts from that article.

Angela Suleman, who is caring for the first six children — one of whom is autistic — while her daughter is in hospital, said yesterday that she had consulted a psychologist over Nadya’s “obsession with children”.

Nadya Suleman, who describes herself as a “professional student” living off education grants and parental money,

There is something seriously wrong with this picture.