This one is for all you ladies and I'm sure this has already been asked somewhere down the line. Here we go....! Is a kip 10 CH worse than giving birth to a 7lb or 8lb babino? Why i ask is even though my girlfriend is sooooo supportive and i couldn't get through it without her, she still loves her wee joke in which she waits till i finish my cycle then delivers it with a cheeky grin "STILL NOT AS PAIN FULL AS GIVING BIRTH" i was there when the kids arrived and it just didney look as bad as a big mad kip 10 CH. some feed back would be nice  :-X :-X

Wishing a cluster free day to you all.....!

I've givin birth out of my right eye up to 10 times a day and I have the stretch marks to prove it  [smiley=grin2.gif]

now im no lady, but i was there when tracey had..little casey.....it took 18 mins...start to finish (no time for gas and air)...a few screams..a bit of pushing ..but done in 18 mins.
she was asleep 10 mins later....mmmmmmm

if she had up to six babies a day, for up to 3 months at a time.

then i would have to vote childbirth.

;)

pftuall

My baby's always come breech.

I have only been an observer of clusters so I can't say but I have had two kids. Like CH, childbirth also varies in pain so I don't really think you can compare the two. I also had one of thos text book deliveries that lasted all of 2 hrs and only intense pain for 20 min but my first baby was 17 hrs of drug induced hard labor with a constant pitocin drip going, no epidural. I lost all of my water, baby was posterior, bladder was bruised when the doc came in with forceps and first APGAR was 1 out of 10. I think that has to compare to a Kip 10. I was in the hospital a week afterwards from the complications. The only difference is when my pain was over I had a baby.

I think we need to respect each others pain and not try to say which is worse. Both conditions need lots of compassion and understanding.

Charlotte

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I think we need to respect each others pain and not try to say which is worse. Both conditions need lots of compassion and understanding. Charlotte

I tend to agree with Charlotte. I remember my mom telling me that a mom forgot the pain of childbirth once she saw the baby. I think that's a crazy statement but now that my kids are 22 and 24, well, I can't remember.

Meanwhile, I also know that Joe's headaches are KIP=AWFUL and it's been awhile for one of those. For me to compare the pain, don't think I could.

I guess in terms of trying to describe CH pain to someone, making a broad statement of "Imagine the worst pain you've ever had - remember the intensity and the duration? My worst pain might be the same, might be more, but it comes in ___ frequency and lasts ____ long. It hurts."  Maybe then they will get a glimpse of understanding.

cash5542 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2009 at 6:28pm:

I have only been an observer of clusters so I can't say but I have had two kids. Like CH, childbirth also varies in pain so I don't really think you can compare the two. I also had one of thos text book deliveries that lasted all of 2 hrs and only intense pain for 20 min but my first baby was 17 hrs of drug induced hard labor with a constant pitocin drip going, no epidural. I lost all of my water, baby was posterior, bladder was bruised when the doc came in with forceps and first APGAR was 1 out of 10. I think that has to compare to a Kip 10. I was in the hospital a week afterwards from the complications. The only difference is when my pain was over I had a baby. I think we need to respect each others pain and not try to say which is worse. Both conditions need lots of compassion and understanding. Charlotte

Why so serious Charlotte...! This little banter i have with my partner

helps me get through this horrible infliction as for compassion and

understanding i was there when my better half give birth to our two
 
beautiful children, still have the kip 6 pain on my right hand to prove

it....! Just looking for a good come back, she's very quick....!

Sean c i must

remember that one."I've givin birth out of my right eye up to 10

times a day and I have the stretch marks to prove it " Good one...! ;D

Good health to all............ ;)

Lefty wrote on Mar 26^th, 2009 at 5:44pm:

i was there when the kids arrived and it just didney look as bad as a big mad kip 10 CH. some feed back would be nice  :-X :-X

This is why I may have been so serious. You took childbirth pretty lightly. No one with CH would appreciate someone saying your Kip 10 didn't look too bad. I just get a little tired of comparing who's pain is worse. I'm sorry if I took it too serious.

Charlotte

Surely it can't be as bad as Man flu!! sniff

Honestly I'd rather give birth once every 18 months instead of this crap.  At least you get something good out of it!!

wrote on Mar 26^th, 2009 at 9:26pm:

Surely it can't be as bad as Man flu!! sniff

Of course not!

In all seriousness, it's relative to the persons' experiences.

I've been with 2 sisters during labor.  I still say a kip10 is worse.

Langa

I don't really give a rat's patootie as to WHICH is worse!  I don't care if it is clusters, migraines, childbirth, passing kidney stones, a broken bone or the worst pain in life, a broken heart ...

All I know is pain SUCKS!!

And if you are suffering from pain, whatever the cause or severity, I feel sorry for you, and wish you didn't have to suffer with it!

End of story!

Chuck, who hates to see sufferers

In Chuck's usual eloquent way, he hit the nail on the head! I totally agree with him; and in so many words this is what I was trying to say.

Charlotte

ClusterChuck wrote on Mar 26^th, 2009 at 10:17pm:

Chuck, who hates to see sufferers

A simple hairbrush would end the suffering Chuck.


Maybe even take a shower?

;D

cash5542 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2009 at 8:37pm:

Lefty wrote on Mar 26th, 2009 at 5:44pm: i was there when the kids arrived and it just didney look as bad as a big mad kip 10 CH. some feed back would be nice  :-X :-X This is why I may have been so serious. You took childbirth pretty lightly. No one with CH would appreciate someone saying your Kip 10 didn't look too bad. I just get a little tired of comparing who's pain is worse. I'm sorry if I took it too serious. Charlotte

Hi Charlotte,

I appreciate your reply and if you felt i was belittling child birth then i

apologise that was not my intention. The question i posted was more

tongue in cheek if anything.

Getting of the subject did you realise that your name begins with a

'Cluster Headache'.

Le gach dea-mhéin.... Lefty

Yup, I realize it cause I'm often holding the cap key on the H by accident and having to go back and fix it.

Charlotte

I've given birth three times.  First time didn't hurt at all, the next two were not that bad, but, I would never tell another woman that childbirth doesn't hurt.  All pain is subjective and I also hate to see anyone suffer from any type of pain.

I have 10 children.  No matter how many times I've watched my wife go through it, I've never felt a thing...

-Dennis- (who just can't seem to help himself today)

DennisM1045 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2009 at 1:12pm:

I have 10 children.  No matter how many times I've watched my wife go through it, I've never felt a thing... -Dennis- (who just can't seem to help himself today)

And who is feeling quite brave...or more likely...quite sure his wife isn't going to be reading the board!!! ;D

Joe

So I do agree that pain is relative and different for everbody and all pain sucks regardless of the cause.

I had my last cycle when I was 5 months pregnant with my daughter and was unable to take anything to help. I think that my choice would be that the pain may actually be the same but as far as preference child birth would be my pick as being easier. Here is the only reason though. Child birth is more predictable and if you are lucky should be about a one day event. With CH it tends to seem never ending and not so predictable.

Just my opinion though........... I do not, however, say this so you can try to prove her wrong on who has it worse  ;)


Gina

I go with Chuck's response.  (That was so hard to say I had to go back and fix three typos!) :D

pain is pain, and to try to quantify it even in jest doesn't diminish it for either party.

Jerry

Awww I remember it well -- 14 hours of horrific pain, screaming at Bill what I was going to do to parts of his body when it was over!  Then it was over and they handed me a beautiful baby boy and yeah, there was some pain, but ... I had a baby...

Did I forget that pain -- well, not according to my kid. I've been telling him about it for the last 40 years and how hard it was to get him into this world :) and that he should appreciate me more. But actually it's a distant memory.

CH - I don't get a baby out of and it just keeps coming back. No perks at all. But as Chuckles said, Pain of any kind just SUCKS!!!! Right now it's down to freezing here and Arthur(ritis) crawled in bed with me this morning... UGHHHH! I hate that guy!

Hugs BD

Labor any day, I have 2 kids, natural ( no nothing) woke up in hard labor I have been asked that but 2 top dr's. At least with labor you know it will end, hurts like hell but then you have a cute bundle of joy. With hits you know there is no ending, they may stop, for a few hours but you know they are coming back. But pain is pain.
PF wishes
b

I went through 12 hours of hard labor with Anthony and then followed that up by 1 1/2 hrs of hard labor with Joshua (twins).  I had complications during delivery and I would still take that over ch.  I think child birth is a piece of cake compared to a cluster headache.  But that is just my opinion.

Physical pain is temporary - no matter what. Be it a broken nail or a kip 10 - it will end.

What will never end is the emotional pain caused by lack of understanding and one upmanship.

If it flippin' hurt's then it flippin' hurts!

I've had kids.
I have CH.
I've had my heart broken.

Guess which of the three has left scars? It's all relative.

Well put Helen!

Charlotte

Melissa wrote on Mar 26^th, 2009 at 10:03pm:

Honestly I'd rather give birth once every 18 months instead of this crap.  At least you get something good out of it!!

You said it,  Mel! I agree!!! :)

Lets see...third child, found by husband gripping the sides of the sofa at 3am from pain with fixed grin on my face. He sent for the GP [only 34/40 at that point] blue light ambulence to hospital.
Frantic running around of obs and pead team. Few scans later and lots of pethidine lo I have polyhydronephritisis one kidney is twice the size it should be and the other is three times.
I could not eat, I could not sleep spent three weeks on antenatal ward and was still moving [carefully] to the bewildered looks on the faces of the staff who could not quite get their heads around my phrase of 'Its okay the pain is not as bad as some of my headaches'

Had a planned C/sec by general with massive doses of morphine it was sore yes, it felt bruised yes but compared to CH?

I think the big differance is with CH is it is pain that seems to have no point whilst at least with childbirth in the west you have a good chance of a healthy baby at the end of it.

I think the general consensus is Pain is Pain is Pain...! And I totally agree

Which brings me nicely on to my next question....

Which CH is worse the left side or the Right? Only Joking Folks....!

Thank God for Epidurals and 02...........!


Pain Free Day To All  

LOL Lefty! ;D

Lefty wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 5:46pm:

Which CH is worse the left side or the Right?

Weeeeelllllll ....

That is too vague a question to answer it properly ... I get hit on both sides, so I speak with a certain amount of authority on the matter ...

Now, before I can answer your question, you have to answer the following questions, so that I can get a better idea of the full set of circumstances surrounding said event ...

1 - What was the moon's exact position at the time of the attack?

2 - What color socks were you wearing at the time of said incidence?

3 - What is the wall treatment (painted?  What color? Wallpaper? Paneling? ) of the room associated with the alleged occurrence?

4 - When was the last time you got your rocks off?  And HOW?

5 - Is your hair of the same length, on each side of your head?

6 - What make of car do you drive?  And when was it purchased?

7 - What is your Aunt's, neighbor's, Mother-in-Law's maiden name?

8 - What was the name of the person that sat directly opposite you, in the third grade?

9 - What was the flavor of the last container of ice cream that was purchased for your house?

10 - The person who issued you your driver's license, what was his/her great Uncle's (on his/her father's side) first pet's name?


As you can see, we can't just give out a quick answer, without knowing all the facts ...

Chuck

WOW.....! I just thought it was a defect in the hypothalamus.

Everyday i learn. Here we go Chuck I'll give it a lash....

1."Last or 3rd Quarter".

2. Red

3. Painted Lemon

4. Four days ago and on my knees begging..!

5. Yes

6.Citreon Picasso/ 2 year ago

7. Mc Bride

8. Paddy

9. Cookie Dough

10. Chuck

Well Left or Right...!

LEFTY

Lefty wrote on Mar 31^st, 2009 at 5:27am:

WOW.....! I just thought it was a defect in the hypothalamus. Everyday i learn. Here we go Chuck I'll give it a lash.... 1."Last or 3rd Quarter".  Well, which is it?  I need to know EXACTLY ... 2. Red  HON_NEY!! With your complexion, and THOSE shoes, you should NEVER wear red! 3. Painted Lemon LEMON??  WHERE is your sense of style? 4. Four days ago and on my knees begging..!A hot stud like you would not have to beg from ME! 5. Yes Are you SURE?  It looks a bit off to me .. 6.Citreon Picasso/ 2 year ago Well, I suppose that would pass as an auto ... 7. Mc Bride No, silly!!  The neighbor on the OTHER side! 8. Paddy  OMG!!  You went to school with PADDY ?? ?? ?? 9. Cookie Dough Did you enjoy it?  It is one of my faves! 10. Chuck  A good a noble name! Well Left or Right...! How the hell should I know? SHEESH!  Some people! LEFTY

CHUCK KISS MY LITTLE LEMON  [smiley=moonwiggle.gif]...!


LEFTY....!

Lefty wrote on Mar 31^st, 2009 at 5:18pm:

CHUCK KISS MY LITTLE LEMON  [smiley=moonwiggle.gif]...!

Oh!!!  So NOW you are flirting with me?!?!?!?

Weeeelllll ...

BRING IT ON!!   :-*

<swoon>

Chuck

Funny isn;t it how childbirth vs. CH pain (of which Chuck knows NOTHING of the first subject)  can degrade into....well whatever it degraded into.   ;D


I've had major surgery 5 times.
I've given birth 7 times.
I've had CH chronically for almost 22 yrs. and I've had my heart broken and have been battered for 25 yrs. by someone who was supposed to love me.


I've had more pain in my life-time than I care to talk about.  It really isn't/shouldn't be a matter of which is worse. It's all worse.  :'(

wrote on Mar 26^th, 2009 at 9:26pm:

Surely it can't be as bad as Man flu!! sniff

Nothing is or ever will be as bad as Man flu, oh no no no sir - not labour 18 hours long then sitting on a cusion for a week after because of stiches in places were god never intenede them to be (or did he) , not a full kip 10 ch attack or a brokern ankle

I am just grateful us women never get them