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Title: Nightmares become reality
Post by zwibbs-Scott on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 4:46pm

In November, 2008 the world rejoiced over Obama'a election. Now we are left with the tears of joy becoming tears of fear as he doesn't have a clue as to what is going on. The liberal congress has been spending 1 Billion dollars a day on nonsense!! Factual---look it up !!! Remember that the United States can print money any day---every day . Who do you think approved the AIG Bonus Money---none other than the dreamchild and his crew of misfits. When all of us ( the American Taxpayers ) balked at these Bonuses---Obama caught the drift and ordered the financial wizard --Tim Geitner--to put a stop to it. Obviously Poor Tim is like a Deer caught in the headlights and says Yessum boss. Now we have Missles being fired, and criminal low lives being dismissed from prison. When is America going to wake up and realize that this choice was obviously a poor one ! His ( President ( sic) Obama's ) first decision was on Abortion---and the ease of getting one---Doesn't that tell you something....My God Almighty---God Bless America !! ---Please!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by Brew on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 5:08pm

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When is America going to wake up and realize that this choice was obviously a poor one !

Even if it was this afternoon, what could be done about it?

My best advice - lay low, keep your powder dry, and ride it out. Hey, baseball season starts next week!

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by zwibbs-Scott on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 5:14pm

And would you believe it---The Brewers are in for the second stance of the new Citifield!!!!!!! I am feeling very verklempt! Even though I am Catholic---I love that !

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 5:48pm

I had a feeling Obama was the AntiChrist............................

This confirms it.

;D

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by Lefty on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 6:07pm

DON'T FORGET PEOPLE IT WAS THOSE MONEY WORSHIPPING REPUBLICANS THAT GOT YOU INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE....! GAVE OBAMA A CHANCE.

MAKE LOVE NOT WAR.......................

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by monty on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 6:12pm

Zwibbs - were you expecting a seizure (and possible collapse) of the world financial system to be a sweet dream?

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In November, 2008 the world rejoiced over Obama'a election. Now we are left with the tears of joy becoming tears of fear ...

Most of the people crying are the people that voted for someone other than Obama; the President still has a large measure of support from the people, and that level is pretty steady for the moment.

Missiles are being fired? Where? By who? The Koreans? Is that really something new?

Did anyone believe that Obama was not in favor of some degree of choice when it comes to abortion? If so, you weren't paying attention.

And is it a good idea to block all funding for birth control unless there is an abstinence-only policy? Should a group doing public health education be disqualified from all funding if they dare to mention abortion as a possibility? Reagan put that policy into effect, it was lifted by Clinton, reimposed by Bush, and lifted again by Obama. Very predictable.

I won't lose sleep if the budget crunch forces California to release the non-violent drug offenders. I don't think it is good to lay off teachers or cut assistance to the handicapped, but I also don't think prison is an effective (or cost-effective) way to deal with recreational drug users.

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Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by [joHnny]w_ an_h on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 6:20pm

where the hell were you guys when george bush was president. hows come keep as close of tabs on him as you do on obama? what about the mess the he left us in? you guys sound like mets fans opposing the red sox fans.

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by Melissa on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 6:30pm

Isn't it duck season? :-?

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by Paul98 on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 6:48pm

Melissa wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 6:30pm:

Isn't it duck season? :-?

Quack! :)

-P.

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by Lefty on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 6:53pm

Paul98 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 6:48pm:

Melissa wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 6:30pm:

Isn't it duck season? :-?

Quack! :)

-P.

Bang! :'(

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by zwibbs-Scott on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:02pm

Did anyone believe that Obama was not in favor of some degree of choice when it comes to abortion? If so, you weren't paying attention.-----------------------------------------------------------I was paying attention---Precisely why I didn't vote for him---But were you paying attention about the AIG payments---seems the "O" man approved them in January, as well as his nitwit Treasury Sec.---( Believe me he'll be out of his job in a matter of weeks). It is going to be a freakin nightmare!!!! Bot continue to watch Oprah---cause she knows the truth and nothing but the truth!

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by [joHnny]w_ an_h on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:05pm

zwibbs-Scott wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:02pm:

you listen to rush to much

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by zwibbs-Scott on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:10pm

John--I trucked all over the Atlantic Seaboard---I would listen to anyone who would keep me awake. I used to travel down Route 95 and count the miles til I met up with Pedro----and I would listen to North Carolina AM radio where people would auction off their lawn mowers as well as their lawn furniture. Many, many years ago!

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by [joHnny]w_ an_h on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:19pm

zwibbs-Scott wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:10pm:

i can identify with that. when i listen to rush he makes a few valid points then he talks about how stupid liberals are. mike malloy does the same thing on the other side. i really think that BOTH sides are going to have to get together and move us all ahead instead of calling one another stupid.

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by zwibbs-Scott on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:22pm

-johnny- wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:19pm:

zwibbs-Scott wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:10pm:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Amen Brother--Drive carefully, and may God be your co-pilot!

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by Brew on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:34pm

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i really think that BOTH sides are going to have to get together and move us all ahead instead of calling one another stupid.

Don't hold your breath, dude.

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by [joHnny]w_ an_h on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:40pm

Brew wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:34pm:

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i really think that BOTH sides are going to have to get together and move us all ahead instead of calling one another stupid.

Don't hold your breath, dude.

we're no going to anywhere until we do no matter who is in office

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by monty on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 8:10pm

zwibbs-Scott wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 7:02pm:

---But were you paying attention about the AIG payments---seems the "O" man approved them in January, as well as his nitwit Treasury Sec.--

Sure. And it is a no-win situation. A company that messed up should not be giving big bonuses. But how does the government stop it?

Usually, the only way to void a contract is through the courts - bankruptcy, for example, puts all debts and contracts on the table for renegotiation. But the idea here was to keep AIG out of bankruptcy to keep it from knocking over more dominoes. And the Republicans were screaming about the sanctity of contracts and how overturning them would lead to the collapse of western civilization.

Most of these contracts were from before the Bush Tarp bill, which had nothing in it about limiting bonuses. And the TARP II bill didn't specifically address it either - there was talk about putting such language in, but no agreement that it would be legal or otherwise a good idea. Because there are issues when the government goes in and retroactively changes contracts.

Then the bonuses were made public, and people got pissed - very understandable. The scope of the whole crisis is so large, and the details so massive, that nobody understands the whole thing. But big bonuses from a failing company getting a big bailout is very understandable, and infuriating.

So Congress went about fixing the problem. Chuck Grassley came up with an elegant solution that would not require government action: the CEO and others getting the bonuses should give the money back, and then commit suicide. That free market solution didn't get implemented, mostly because the people getting the bonuses were free to tell Grassley to go F@#% himself.

So Congress came to the idea of a special tax that would only apply to people who work for companies getting government bailouts that make more than $250,000 and got bonuses - this would essentially get the governments money back. This led Republicans to howl about now the government will take everyone's house and car and the clothes off their back because 90% tax rates are back in style. No ideas about how to deal with the economic shit, just hysterics in response to any proposal.

GOP - Got 0 Plan.

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by Brew on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 8:54pm

See what I mean, Johnny? The two sides will NEVER work together to solve anything. Neither side is interested in that - because divisiveness serves both sides' purposes.

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by ClusterChuck on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 9:15pm

Haven't we had ENOUGH of the political bashing YET??

Neither side is going to convince the other side. It is fine to have strong beliefs, but is your bashing needed here? It seems that some people here are just looking for verbal jousting matches.

It has gotten where I don't open a lot of threads, because it sounds like another fucking bashing contest. Enough is enough!! It has gotten WAY out of control, in my mind.

I thought that once the election was over with, we would get a MUCH needed breather ... But NOOOO!!!!

GEEZE! >:(

Chuck, who now has ANOTHER thread not to open ...

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by Artonio on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 11:21pm

Chuckie my sweets... take a chill pill... the political discourse is all good... when it is forbidden "Be afraid... Be very afraid."

with warm regards,
Tony

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by Callico on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 11:27pm

Scott, my friend. While I must agree with you I'm afraid at this point we are at this point: [smiley=deadhorse2.gif] There is to much invested at this point to back off and take a look at the direction the President is taking us. Some know where he would like us to go and are happy with it. All we can do is hope there is anything left to salvage in 2010.

Jerry

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Mar 31^st, 2009 at 12:16am

ClusterChuck wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 9:15pm:

Really Chuck?
I got a different jist from this thread. Just a few people chit-chattin. Everything is respectful, even a few facts got thrown in from Monty. Seems harmless to me.

We all know who the kool-aid drinkers are anyway, right? ;)

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by Charlie on Mar 31^st, 2009 at 12:32pm

You have a point Chuck. This thread...although fun....illustrates that the internet has allowed us to read and delve deeper and deeper into only blogs with which we agree. Not good.

I love it that Bush was the one who started us on this economic recover trip. It ain't easy is it? George Bush's unfettered free market did a helluva job the last 8 years.

Charlie

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by zwibbs-Scott on Mar 31^st, 2009 at 4:06pm

Callico wrote on Mar 30^th, 2009 at 11:27pm:

---------------------------------Jerry, I love the Smiley smacked the Democratic Donkey with the big stick !!!LOL!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Nightmares become reality
Post by stevegeebe on Mar 31^st, 2009 at 8:12pm

Must...resist........the..force....

Steve G