The nanny state just never stops with its intrusions.

BOSTON —  Massachusetts health officials have approved regulations that would require sending children's Body Mass Index measurements home to parents.

The Public Health Council voted unanimously Wednesday to calculate student heights and weights, which are already measured annually, into a Body Mass Index measuring their overall proportions.

The results will be sent home to parents for students in first, fourth, seventh and 10th grades in a package explaining what they mean and how parents can best combat obesity.

Department of Public Health Medical Director Lauren Smith says Massachusetts will join Arkansas in notifying parents about a child's Body Mass Index. Eighteen other states require a BMI calculation.

The new regulations will be phased into schools over the next 18 months.

WOW!! And I thought California was intrusive! Now we have the "fat kids" police!!!! ;D

Wonder if them there fat kid coppers 'll have to give up donuts??


JUST WONDRIN' JUICY!!! I'M ALLOWED!!!!!  :P

:P so there.........

I don't see any problems.  A century ago, there were campaigns to weigh and measure the height of kids.  Those who were way under 'normal' got further scrutiny - maybe a medical condition was brought to light, maybe there was neglect or abuse.  Now the most common problem is just the opposite - massively overweight kids developing 'adult onset' diabetes at age 12.

More nefarious plotting:


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What really terrifies me is that first, the government will make every one wear seat belts, and once the people submit to that, we will all be forced into driving on the same side of the street!  

You thought it was bad when they raised the drinking age. Now a person can serve his or her country, get wounded, possibly die, but god forbid we should let them have a drink.

Then they banned smoking in all sorts of places - including establishments on private property that allowed the smoking of tobacco. A legal product (on which much tax was being paid) being consumed on private property.

Then they banned foods containing trans fats because they were bad for your health.

Next they're coming for your cheeseburgers. Then your guns.

Where does it end? They keep taking one thing at a time. Will it be peanuts next? There are already peanut-free sections of ballparks. Will it be gluten? Will it be bacon? There's really no health benefit to eating bacon.

Dear Government - get the f*ck out of my home, my pocket, my kitchen. Whoever thinks this sh*t advances the cause of liberty can take a flying....

Sorry - I got a little worked up.

Oh Dear Lord!!!!   Pleeeeeeeese NOT BACON!!!!! [smiley=bigcry.gif]LOL!

Don't forget to wear your seat belt, or your helmet.   Also be sure to wrap your children in bubble wrap if they want to ride their bikes!

Not only is the government taking our rights, but has us training our kids to not know what it is like to live and make mistakes. We give them cell phones, we can track their phone with GPS we can track their driving.
When we are not tracking them the school system is tracking their weight. And making sure that no child is left behind.

Our children with not know freedom even if it were to smack then it the head.

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Dear Government - get the f*ck out of my home, my pocket, my kitchen. Whoever thinks this sh*t advances the cause of liberty can take a flying....

Brew, I like you more every day.  You get it!

BTW - will Mommy Government give me a bonus if I pay my mortgage on time?

Bob P wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 5:22pm:

Quote: Dear Government - get the f*ck out of my home, my pocket, my kitchen. Whoever thinks this sh*t advances the cause of liberty can take a flying.... Brew, I like you more every day.  You get it! BTW - will Mommy Government give me a bonus if I pay my mortgage on time?

I've always liked you, Bob. ;)

As with all slippery slope incremental government invasions, how long before X amount of weight over the limit constitutes abuse? I can envision a special section of DFACS whose primary purpose is just to ascertain whether the kids would be better off in state run facilities rather than their homes since that terrible 'abuse' is going on.

We've become a nation of sissies, blamers, and obtusely ignorant of our national birthrights as delineated in the Constitution. There seem to be no accidents anymore as there's always someone to blame for negligence when any clear thinking individual (gasp!) can plainly see otherwise. Victims here, wealth envy there.

Anyone remember what their parental response to "it's not fair!" was when bellowed from your pre-teen mouth?

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Anyone remember what their parental response to "it's not fair!" was when bellowed from your pre-teen mouth?

   When I was growing up, when I said that, dad would grab me by the shoulder, grab the shotgun, we would walk out back and he would shoot the dog. He would whip me around and scream, now I bet the dog didn't think that was fair either. Get over it. After the first 2 dogs, I never said that again.


Mike


P.S. The second one got it cause I didn't like that dog anyway... ;)

Brew wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 3:48pm:

Dear Government - get the f*ck out of my home, my pocket, my kitchen.

And especially my BEDROOM!!!

Not that it is ANY of your business, Mr. Government Man, but it is consensual sex, and my partner is of legal age, and besides that, my pet rock LIKES to get fucked!  So leave me and my lover rock alone!

Chuck

notseinfeld wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 5:56pm:

Anyone remember what their parental response to "it's not fair!" was when bellowed from your pre-teen mouth?

Fair is a ball that lands between two white lines.

or

Life ain't fair - get a helmet.

notseinfeld wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 2:24pm:

would require sending children's Body Mass Index measurements home to parents. ... The results will be sent home to parents for students in first, fourth, seventh and 10th grades...

Four letters.  I got more letters than that sent home pinned to my shirt to be signed by my parents every two month during K through 1st grade about my behavioral evaluations.  The daily after dinner question of whether I stood in the corner that day was also of course an affirmative.  Yes, it got Dad involved more but the nanny state argument didn't occur to me before Dad sent me to go get the belt.



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Get over it.

Yep, MR.  The sun always arose on a new day.

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WOW!! And I thought California was intrusive! Now we have the "fat kids" police!!!!

look on the bright side Joe.   When you get too old to be chasing the bad guys down in the "hood" in San Diego ...you can join this part of the Police dept.  til you're ready to retire.  And NO....you can't give them the best locations for do-nuts.

notseinfeld wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 5:56pm:

As with all slippery slope incremental government invasions, how long before X amount of weight over the limit constitutes abuse? I can envision a special section of DFACS whose primary purpose is just to ascertain whether the kids would be better off in state run facilities rather than their homes since that terrible 'abuse' is going on.

I think we are a ways from that - unfortunately.  If a kid has terrible breathe and is missing teeth, and he tells the school nurse he never brushes his teeth or goes to a dentist, I would personally call that child neglect.  If mom and dad cave in to junior's demands for unlimited junk food and video games instead of healthy fare and exercise, then they are crappy parents.  If the situation gets to the point where junior weighs 300 pounds and is having health problems, then it is beyond merely bad parenting -  at that point, we really should call it neglect or abuse, and treat it as such.

I don't see 'crappy parenting that endangers the health of the child' as a protected right in the Constitution.  

The Constitution's main purpose is to restrict the power of the Federal Government, not protect the "rights" of crappy parents. If there's a 300-lb. kid with halitosis and half his teeth, that's the jurisdiction of social services, not the public education system.

Some would argue that the Constitution doesn't even allow for a Department of Education, let alone one that goes around pinching kids' hips and buttocks with a fatometer.

Not to worry. With working the fields before and after school, no electricity to play electronic games or watch TV, they will be fit in no time.  

If not, we will slather on to them some Baconnaise and eat them.

Yummy!

Steve G

stevegeebe wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 8:50pm:

Not to worry. With working the fields before and after school, no electricity to play electronic games or watch TV, they will be fit in no time.   If not, we will slather on to them some Baconnaise and eat them. Yummy! Steve G

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Brew wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 8:49pm:

The Constitution's main purpose is to restrict the power of the Federal Government, not protect the "rights" of crappy parents. If there's a 300-lb. kid with halitosis and half his teeth, that's the jurisdiction of social services, not the public education system.

I believe, most states try to have departments try to work hand in hand when it comes to caring for kids and families, and are essentially one and the same.  As it should be, anyone involved with the care of children is required by law to be a mandated reporter.  I don't see a problem with everyone looking out for a kids best interest.  

Political discussion aside - I thought I'd give you some info on how schools use this info and how it aligns to a bigger picture.....

That testing is happenning all over the county in school systems. Texas and California are the front runners.  

 It is part of what is called Fitness Gram.  Think of the old presidential physical fitness stuff. Remember that... test you in sit ups, curls etc. , get a certificate and patch???   The fitnessgram testing is a ramped up 21st century initiative that now includes BMI scores, along with 1 mile run, curl ups, etc .  

All that testing is done by PE teachers and PE teachers look at the scores to inform them where they need to focus  their PE instruction-  what does the data tell us ? Where does my class have gaps?  What kinds of PE activities and excercise can I engage the kids in that is fun but also works on those areas that many of the kids are weaker in?  

With this kind of testing,  schools are required to send home the results to parents.   Its part of the process.

just thought I'd share this.

Kelly

Great Idea.  Now they can tax each pound your kid is overweight.

More money to pay off the TARP/STIM   bills.

BULLSHIT I say!

                                     JPC

wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 1:27am:

Brew wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 8:49pm: The Constitution's main purpose is to restrict the power of the Federal Government, not protect the "rights" of crappy parents. If there's a 300-lb. kid with halitosis and half his teeth, that's the jurisdiction of social services, not the public education system. I believe, most states try to have departments try to work hand in hand when it comes to caring for kids and families, and are essentially one and the same.  As it should be, anyone involved with the care of children is required by law to be a mandated reporter.  I don't see a problem with everyone looking out for a kids best interest.

The only problem with that - and it's a HUGE one - is who determines the definition of "a kid's best interest." It's at the root of just about every custody case. If you're comfortable with the state stepping in and determining what's in your kid's best interest - superceding your right as a parent - then keep voting for the status quo.

Everywhere you turn, people are having less and less problem surrendering another piece of their liberty.

mezza wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 4:02am:

Think of the old presidential physical fitness stuff. Remember that... test you in sit ups, curls etc. , get a certificate and patch???   The fitnessgram testing is a ramped up 21st century initiative that now includes BMI scores, along with 1 mile run, curl ups, etc .

Sure do.  Most memorable from JFK's administration, but apparently started by Ike.


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mezza wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 4:02am:

That testing is happenning all over the county in school systems. Texas and California are the front runners.

CA gov, Arnie was chairman once.


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An early chairman was astronaut James Lovell.  Stan Musial, an advisor. 

Um, can any of you ranters tell me how calculating a child's BMI and sending the info to parents has turned into an intrusion on a parent's constitutional rights?

Would that also apply to hearing and vision tests that schools often do?

If this were a story about a 150 lb 1st grader ... how many of you would rail against such horrible parents?

Get over yourselves, people. Obesity is becoming a huge (pun intended) problem in our society ... God forbid the schools should want to provide some information and education.  ::)

What are they going to do next in schools???

Test my kids in all sorts of subjects and send home reports on how they did?

Do subjective evaluations of my kids effort, attitude, and behavior and send those home with comments??

Give them a physical fitness test??

Check all the kids for lice and/or a curve of the spine and send home the results??  If they fail, are they going to need a doctor's note to return to school?

Folks, they are trying to use information to educate parents as to the status of their childs physical health.  since I have worked in education, I don't see any problem with educating parents.  Where I live, I have run into too many parents whose kids are smarter than they are at age 5 (me included).  This program might help some not so intelligent parents with the health concerns of their child.

Until the government decides to use this information to FORCE a parent to do something, whats the problem?

It's called allowing the schools to start to dig into and play around with a kid's medical record. What's so difficult to understand about medical records remaining private?

The public education system is no more responsible for a kid's health than they are for a kid's education. Those responsibilities fall squarely on the shoulders of the kid's parents.

All us "ranters" are trying to keep people aware of the fact that freedoms and privacy aren't lost in big chunks - they're eroded tiny bits at a time. If you are comfortable with that, then bend over and take it. The government loves to give it to you. I, on the other hand, will continue to protest in an attempt to protect what freedom and privacy we have left.

You can thank me later - if we don't all end up in some work camp.

Brew wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 7:31am:

............ Everywhere you turn, people are having less and less problem surrendering another piece of their liberty.

We can all provide extreme examples on either side, but Brew's simple statement quoted here should speak volumes.

If that doesn't resonate with you, then there is nothing that will make you understand the whole point that he is trying make.

Respectfully,
Marc

Brew wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 10:03am:

It's called allowing the schools to start to dig into and play around with a kid's medical record. What's so difficult to understand about medical records remaining private? The public education system is no more responsible for a kid's health than they are for a kid's education. Those responsibilities fall squarely on the shoulders of the kid's parents. All us "ranters" are trying to keep people aware of the fact that freedoms and privacy aren't lost in big chunks - they're eroded tiny bits at a time. If you are comfortable with that, then bend over and take it. The government loves to give it to you. I, on the other hand, will continue to protest in an attempt to protect what freedom and privacy we have left. You can thank me later - if we don't all end up in some work camp.

1.  Since when is health not the concern of schools?  Health class, physical fitness, lice and scoliosis checks.... schools have always taken steps to improve the health of children.

2.  Where did this say that the students medical record was to be opened or read?  I thought weight and height were ALREADY recorded by schools in Massachusetts pn a yearly basis (according to the initial post).

3.  I guess I still don't understand where sending health information to parents is a invasion.  

Folks, we send our kids to school to learn.  As a parent, I welcome any information that will help me learn about my children and what I can do to help them grow intellectually, educationally, socially, and medically.

BTW, read it again, 18 states already have BMI recorded.  Massachusetts now has the gall to actually let parents know what the results are!

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Check all the kids for lice and/or a curve of the spine and send home the results??  If they fail, are they going to need a doctor's note to return to school?

They've been sending kids home for head lice since WWI. My mom and dad told me about it.

BMI stats sound like a waste of time and money to me.

Charlie

Brew wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 10:03am:

It's called allowing the schools to start to dig into and play around with a kid's medical record. What's so difficult to understand about medical records remaining private?

Exactly how do kids who are chubby (or morbidly obese) keep others from noticing?  By invoking HIPPA?  

Calculating a number (like the BMI) for each kid, and telling the parents what that means in terms of health risks is a small service.  As part of a larger public health initiative, it may lead to better diet, more exercise, and weight loss for some kids.

Schools have done a good job of dealing with medical issues for the past century. When I was in first grade, the homeroom classes lined up for smallpox vaccinations. Before that, school testing was part of getting tuberculosis under control.  There are dozens of other examples of these types of programs that actually reducing human suffering.

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My indoctrination was snuck in on me when I submitted to that TB shot in kindergarten.



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An early chairman was astronaut James Lovell.  Stan Musial, an advisor.

Why couldn't I see the sinister intentions behind this charade.  

Some cultures practice forced feeding to plump up the babes, fatter is sexier and in that culture heaviest is most desirable.

I guess if I were a parent who practiced this type of aesthetic with my children I would consider a BMI as a progress report.

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just a thought.

Tony

Eric, Nani & Monty - Nevermind. It was stupid of me to bring it up in the first place.

Brew wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 10:03am:

It's called allowing the schools to start to dig into and play around with a kid's medical record. What's so difficult to understand about medical records remaining private?

Typically, the school RN is a medical professional. and knows how to keep medical records private.  It is not as if though they have your kids entire record in front of them, but they do like to be made aware of any special needs a child might have, such as severe allergies, or diabetes.


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The public education system is no more responsible for a kid's health than they are for a kid's education. Those responsibilities fall squarely on the shoulders of the kid's parents.

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I will have to disagree with you on this.  If this were the case, where would disabled kids get their educations...

Again, nevermind.

Brew wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 12:41pm:

Again, nevermind.

Ah, of course...

wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 12:43pm:

Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:41pm: Again, nevermind. Ah, of course...

Now you're beginning to get it.

Brew wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 12:46pm:

wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:43pm: Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:41pm: Again, nevermind. Ah, of course... Now you're beginning to get it.

Now, let's not get carried away.  The way I am understanding it is you have surrendered again, but I am confused because you keep responding to the last post.  Are you one of those people that needs the last and final word?  

wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 1:08pm:

Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:46pm: wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:43pm: Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:41pm: Again, nevermind. Ah, of course... Now you're beginning to get it. Now, let's not get carried away.  The way I am understanding it is you have surrendered again, but I am confused because you keep responding to the last post.  Are you one of those people that needs the last and final word?

I have surrendered nothing. I came to the realization, once again, that trying to convince certain people of certain things is an exercise in futility.

If you respond, you can have the last word. Won't bother me in the least. Have a nice day.

Well, thank you, Brew.  I feel so honored...

Bye now!

My trembling typing fingers know how much trouble this next statement is going to cause but alas, here goes: Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself.

It's not about education anymore. It's about indoctrination, social engineering, and the disappearing civics classes. It's hard to protest the diminishing/loss of your rights when you don't even know what they are!

Additionally, if you bring a child in the world it's YOUR responsibility to educate them properly and make them a good person based on your values, not the state's. How in the world can that happen when 3rd graders are putting condoms on cucumbers; when the first day of class all the school supplies are rounded up and distributed 'fairly' to the rest of the class; when kids have to step through metal detectors just to enter the school; when there are NO armed staff to prevent Columbine-like atrocities resulting in the actual murder of your children?

As an aside, it really chaps my hide to have my property tax (or any other) going to subsidize other people's decisions. The government doesn't run ANY program efficiently--NONE. They botch and politicize one unconstitutional social giveaway program after the next yet modern parents blindly send their little guys off on the bus to be 'educated' by these hacks?

Okay...I'm hunkered down and ready for the love to flow.

notseinfeld wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 1:52pm:

My trembling typing fingers know how much trouble this next statement is going to cause but alas, here goes: Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself. It's not about education anymore. It's about indoctrination, social engineering, and the disappearing civics classes. It's hard to protest the diminishing/loss of your rights when you don't even know what they are! Additionally, if you bring a child in the world it's YOUR responsibility to educate them properly and make them a good person based on your values, not the state's. How in the world can that happen when 3rd graders are putting condoms on cucumbers; when the first day of class all the school supplies are rounded up and distributed 'fairly' to the rest of the class; when kids have to step through metal detectors just to enter the school; when there are NO armed staff to prevent Columbine-like atrocities resulting in the actual murder of your children? As an aside, it really chaps my hide to have my property tax (or any other) going to subsidize other people's decisions. The government doesn't run ANY program efficiently--NONE. They botch and politicize one unconstitutional social giveaway program after the next yet modern parents blindly send their little guys off on the bus to be 'educated' by these hacks? Okay...I'm hunkered down and ready for the love to flow.

FWIW - you make perfect sense to me

3rd graders putting condoms on cucumbers?  Not representative of what really happens in schools.  10th graders might be watching a film of  that in some schools ... but there are lots of 10th graders who are sexually active, like it or not.

Rounding up supplies and redistributing them? Might happen in some schools, didn't happen for me or my daughter when she was in public school.  Most students brought their own paper and pencils, although sometimes, the school provided supplies (like in art class) ... I guess that teaches socialism, because the taxpayers provided the money for the supplies?  Maybe pay toilets would help install attitudes of personal responsibility while providing a new revenue stream?  Those less well off could learn important lessons about taking responsibility for themselves by planning their daily routine more consciously... and it would probably cut down on smoking and groping on school grounds because most kids sneaking off to the bushes would be rendering the area unfit for other other loitering activities.  

Kids have to suffer the indignity of going through metal detectors, yet there are no armed guards to protect them??  Sounds like nothing will make you happy - some schools use metal detectors as a security measures (and there are armed law enforcement officials in many schools).  

I wonder if we need armed guards in shooting ranges - just saw a clip of a mother shooting her son in the head at an indoor range, and then shooting herself (both died).  Aren't armed citizens supposed to stop that sort of thing??  

Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself?  I don't think that is true - it is a sweeping, blanket statement. It might be true in some communities.  Hasn't been true for the schools that I went to,

The government doesn't run ANY program efficiently--NONE.  Except for some utilities, libraries, state universities, medicare, restaurant inspections, etc. etc.  Sometimes government can be more efficient by contracting out work, sometimes not.

notseinfeld wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 1:52pm:

My trembling typing fingers know how much trouble this next statement is going to cause but alas, here goes: Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself.

Honestly man, this is ridiculous.  ABUSE???  you put the word in caps because you wanted to emphasize it and honestly, that is the part of your post which goes overboard.  The rest I can give ro take, but you had to purposely go overboard and the rest of your point will get lost.

FYI, I don't send my kids to public school even though I have worked for the public schools for years.


BREW:  I am disappointed.  looks more like you were wrong and had no point than you give up trying to educate others.  not usually your style.

It was my third-grade teacher who noticed me squinting and moved me up to the front row then contacted my parents about possible glasses needed.  

With a lifestyle entirely outside, playing with the neighborhood abundant with baby boomers, most all parental contact was within the eye-easy close range viewing of the dinner table, or the occasional reprimand to not sit so close to the TV in a dimly lit living room where details can go unnoticed.  Not knowing, I just strained harder.

This teacher could have just said, fuck it, ain't my problem, job, or responsibility, but I take this as a trained professional who knew near-sightedness can begin to affect those of that age.  Glasses began appearing on a few kids.  

My parents being still young adults were not entirely aware of all childhood possibilities that can be naturally occurring, but I very soon had glasses.  They then became more in tune and educated, noticing my sister right away, soonafter affected and resulting in glasses.


Nowadays I see far fewer kids playing on the streets or any empty lot claimed as their home field for pick-up baseball games.  The chance for parents to view the physical activity of their child sometimes may soley rest upon the observation of a phys. ed. teacher, who then grades them and perhaps comments on participation attempts.  

It could be quite common for some parents to see this as less important than whether their child picked-up their room, or if their spelling is going well while staying current with math lessons, which are known through class tests and report cards.

Should a test of physical conditioning be known, a consideration may be taken to expand this into parenting skills, also.  It doesn't have to be a defininitive judgment, everyone has different builds, but awareness to a parent seems to be of no harm when they may have previously considered that since their child is young, they would be healthy.  Steps can taken early with a child to ingrain an importance of this also being a matter of life worth attention.

wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 2:57pm:

Wonder if them there fat kid coppers 'll have to give up donuts?? JUST WONDRIN' JUICY!!! I'M ALLOWED!!!!!  :P

Helen! God forbid!!!

Langa

This makes me think of the saying: "It takes a village."

Does anybody know where that originated?

wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 4:58pm:

This makes me think of the saying: "It takes a village." Does anybody know where that originated?

M. Night Shyamalan?

Hillary Clinton said it.  

FramCire wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 3:12pm:

notseinfeld wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 1:52pm: My trembling typing fingers know how much trouble this next statement is going to cause but alas, here goes: Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself. Honestly man, this is ridiculous.  ABUSE???  you put the word in caps because you wanted to emphasize it and honestly, that is the part of your post which goes overboard.  The rest I can give ro take, but you had to purposely go overboard and the rest of your point will get lost. FYI, I don't send my kids to public school even though I have worked for the public schools for years. BREW:  I am disappointed.  looks more like you were wrong and had no point than you give up trying to educate others.  not usually your style.

I for one, agree with every word  notseinfeld and Brew have stated.
Especially here in Madison (34 square Miles surrounded by reality).

My son is educated online -

Kilroy 2.0 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 5:13pm:

FramCire wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 3:12pm: notseinfeld wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 1:52pm: My trembling typing fingers know how much trouble this next statement is going to cause but alas, here goes: Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself. Honestly man, this is ridiculous.  ABUSE???  you put the word in caps because you wanted to emphasize it and honestly, that is the part of your post which goes overboard.  The rest I can give ro take, but you had to purposely go overboard and the rest of your point will get lost. FYI, I don't send my kids to public school even though I have worked for the public schools for years. BREW:  I am disappointed.  looks more like you were wrong and had no point than you give up trying to educate others.  not usually your style. I for one, agree with every word  notseinfeld and Brew have stated. Especially here in Madison (34 square Miles surrounded by reality). My son is educated online -

"Every word".... wow

Honestly, telling a parent they are abusing their child is very rude and quite severe.  good thing for me my kids dont go to public school or these comments would have me very angry.

Folks, is there really a reason to use the word abuse here?  if you are a parent and think it makes your point, it would shock me.

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"Every word".... wow Honestly, telling a parent they are abusing their child is very rude and quite severe.  good thing for me my kids dont go to public school or these comments would have me very angry. Folks, is there really a reason to use the word abuse here?  if you are a parent and think it makes your point, it would shock me.

Is it not great that we live in a country that allows free speech! I do think it is abuse to send my child to the public schools here in Madison. That is my opinion, it is not yours - I do not see what your issue is. If I think something is abuse I am allowed to say so. YOU do not have to agree!

Kilroy 2.0 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 5:54pm:

Quote: "Every word".... wow Honestly, telling a parent they are abusing their child is very rude and quite severe.  good thing for me my kids dont go to public school or these comments would have me very angry. Folks, is there really a reason to use the word abuse here?  if you are a parent and think it makes your point, it would shock me. Is it not great that we live in a country that allows free speech! I do think it is abuse to send my child to the public schools here in Madison. That is my opinion, it is not yours - I do not see what your issue is. If I think something is abuse I am allowed to say so. YOU do not have to agree!

You don't see my issue?  How would you feel if someone accused you of abusing your children?  I guess I may be the only person around who would react badly to someone saying that.

Yes, it is wonderful to have free speech.  Saying things that are rude or disrespectful is your right, but doesn't make it the right thing to do.

Finally, it is funny that all this stems from a state wanting to educate parents on childhood weight issues.  WOW

There is a problem here beyond the scope of who does the measurements.  It is *how* they are done.  If they are using the fat calipers, that is the most inaccurate way to measure BMI.  If they are using height/weight ratio, they are using the second most innacurate way to measure BMI.  Using the height/weight ratio BMI measurements, I am in the *overweight* category (and I am).  HOWEVER, if that *fat* was muscle, I would still be considered overweight because of the BMI calculations.  according to this site, I'm okay.

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If I use this site, then I'm in the high risk category.  So.........just how and who makes the determination?

What baffles me, is that the gubmint doesn't understand *why* this is happening?  Hell, all they have to do is call me and I can explain it to them (and they won't even have to spend millions of dollars to have the research done).  We are now a sedentary society, our kids don't run and romp like me used to.  When I was a kid, growing up, staying inside was a punishment, not a privilege.  If you stayed inside, mama could always find something to keep you busy.

BTW, none of the schools my daughter went to, public or private, did head checks for lice.

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Makes me glad I never had kids.

Mike

I've just checked out two different bmi calculators.
One gave me a BMI of 20 and it should be between 18 and 25 and another said I was overweight!

I typed 5 ft 2 inches (yeah I know I'm 5'1and a 1/2!!) and 120lbs so I don't know how in hell they worked out I'm overweight from THAT

Which just proves Carolyns point that BMI is a crock of codswallop

All the doctors, therapists, teachers, and counselors tell us all the wonderful things we need to do to add years to our lives.

They never tell you that those years always come at the end.

Thank you, no.

If you're all getting your nipples twisted into knots over measuring the BMI of the kids, just wait till they start measuring the "Brown Fat".

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(not to stray too far from the original topic) I wonder how much brown fat would be found in clusterheads... I wonder if an attack actually stimulates it and turns us into the little furnaces that we become.

Tony

I caught that article this morning...what really stuck out in my mind was babies don't shiver!!!!! I learned something new today! ;D

Joe

I've been following the brown fat/white fat thing for a while ... and there is a carotene pigment from some seaweeds that makes white fat act like brown fat.  Not sure if it works in people, or if there are side effects (that type of metabolism is tied to adrenaline, and people that need beta-blockers might not want to crank that up).  


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Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2005 Jul 1;332(2):392-7.    Fucoxanthin from edible seaweed, Undaria pinnatifida, shows antiobesity effect through UCP1 expression in white adipose tissues.    Maeda H, Hosokawa M, Sashima T, Funayama K, Miyashita K.    Mitochondrial uncoupling protein 1 (UCP1) is usually expressed only in brown adipose tissue (BAT) and a key molecule for metabolic thermogenesis to avoid an excess of fat accumulation. However, there is little BAT in adult humans. Therefore, UCP1 expression in tissues other than BAT is expected to reduce abdominal fat. Here, we show reduction of abdominal white adipose tissue (WAT) weights in rats and mice by feeding lipids from edible seaweed, Undaria pinnatifida. Clear signals of UCP1 protein and mRNA were detected in WAT of mice fed the Undaria lipids, although there is little expression of UCP1 in WAT of mice fed control diet. The Undaria lipids mainly consisted of glycolipids and seaweed carotenoid, fucoxanthin. In the fucoxanthin-fed mice, WAT weight significantly decreased and UCP1 was clearly expressed in the WAT, while there was no difference in WAT weight and little expression of UCP1 in the glycolipids-fed mice. This result indicates that fucoxanthin upregulates the expression of UCP1 in WAT, which may contribute to reducing WAT weight.