The idiot administration's newest wicked witch at DHS has just dissed American veterans... "The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in "rightwing extremist activity," saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias."

There is no credible proof or empirical data to support this liberal cerebral flatulence... Napolitano is a threat to the security of the United States and Obama must ask her to step down. If your Senators and Congressmen who voted for the porkulus package without reading it do not call for her removal, call them and tell them to check out an orange jump suit and start working on their perp walk...

YGBSM!

What does "post menopausal" have to do with anything?

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purpleydog wrote on Apr 15^th, 2009 at 12:22am:

What does "post menopausal" have to do with anything?

Some questionable members of the male species seem to find it a diss on a woman to make such a remark.  

Whatever! ::)

The hormonal stuff aside, this is still dangerous, partisan hack thinking. Not to mention extremely disrespectful to our veterans.

Well then Batch, you better get on the phone to your republican reps, cuz save for a whole whopping 39 of them, they all voted for the package. But like most "conservatives" you have no shame when it comes to your sniping; not a care for fairness, enclusiveness, or repect for the truth. No "personal repsonibility" at all.

So this pork is hardly a exclusive left-wing issue, but keep lying and painting your nazi dream land picture long enough and most people will believe - our lying, drunk driving, cocaine riddled, pot-smoking, spying on his constituants, furer Bushler showed us that.

Here is a hint. Very few people give a shit.

Even less will listen to your unashamed bias banter and be pursuaded to join your side if they are already not. In fact, because of you and people like you I may switch from independant to Democratic.

Must you keep this verbal masturbation up forever? It really feels that good to you?

I saw the write up about the shift in focus for DHS and I think EVERY American should be afraid....very afraid.  This administration and congress is becoming afraid of its citizens yet they let our boarders leak like a sieve, turn a blind eye to sources of real trouble (N. Korea, Iran etc.) and want to reduce our military.



-P.

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Here is a hint. Very few people give a shit.

Sad, but true and the current fascist regeim and their national corporist movement is taking full advantage of this to push their agenda.

It's sad when CEO's whose every day goal is to increase profits are repalced by politicians whose every day goal is to increase votes.

An armed populace are citizens, not subjects.  

The gentlemen who drafted the Bill of Rights understood this concept intimately and committed treason against their (then) sovereign in order that we might benefit from their foresight.

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It's sad when CEO's whose every day goal is to increase profits are repalced by politicians whose every day goal is to increase votes.

Especially true on the right when in comes to lack of backbone in voting only to hold or gain seats with no regard for the country.

And......"Department of Homeland Security" is an assinine title for an American government agency. Too German.

What's wrong with Civil Defense? Strong history and sounds more effective.

Charlie

Brew wrote on Apr 15^th, 2009 at 7:44am:

The hormonal stuff aside, this is still dangerous, partisan hack thinking. Not to mention extremely disrespectful to our veterans.

Yeah, that Bush and his FBI really hated our veterans.


From the report:

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The FBI noted in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.

What's the problem in recognizing that some people will come back from war with anger problems and that there is a potential that a very small (but very significant) number will do what Timothy McVeigh or John Allen (the DC sniper) did?  Sure, it violates right wing political correctness -  it recognizes that veterans are human beings who have the same issues as everyone else.  But it is honest.

The definition of "extremist group" changes depending on who's in charge. It's all just so much hot air. When they start silencing those on the opposite side, or when they start taking people's guns away, that's when they'll have real problems.

And remember: It's all Bush's fault. I hear it more and more often these days, so I'm just acknowledging it. Say it over and over:

It's all Bush's fault.

Brew wrote on Apr 15^th, 2009 at 11:46am:

The definition of "extremist group" changes depending on who's in charge.

I don't think it does.  People who live within the law are not a problem.  Those that threaten others, harass and intimidate, shoot people they disagree with, or bomb their political opponents are a challenge to the rule of law.


Brew wrote on Apr 15^th, 2009 at 11:46am:

And remember: It's all Bush's fault. I hear it more and more often these days, so I'm just acknowledging it. Say it over and over: It's all Bush's fault.

You tried to reduce this concern to "partisan hack thinking." Yet the report itself quotes the FBI from 2008 as concerned with the threat - that was before Obama was in office.  So who is the political hack?  This has been a concern of both parties since the Oklahoma City bombing.  And hacks with ulterior motives are trying to use it against the current administration.

But Monty, if the self-rightous right-wing nazi nutjobs include the WHOLE TRUTH, how will they dupe others into listening to them?

Oh yeah, over-machismo brow bashing, thats how.

This is standard operating procedure for them.

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Yet the report itself quotes the FBI from 2008 as concerned with the threat - that was before Obama was in office.  So who is the political hack?  This has been a concern of both parties since the Oklahoma City bombing.  And hacks with ulterior motives are trying to use it against the current administration.

Did the Bush DHS or the Obama DHS use the FBI report to send out a warning to enforcement officials? (and keep a real close eye on cars with McCain stickers).


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PETER FERRARA: Bye, Bye Bank Bailout, We Don’t Need You Anymore! By Peter Ferrara Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy, Institute for Policy Innovation Goldman Sachs just announced first quarter profits of close to $2 billion.  Last Thursday, Wells Fargo forecast shockingly sharp first quarter profits of $3 billion.  This is just the beginning of a series of financial reports from large banks that will show soaring bank profitability.  This is why in recent weeks bank stocks have exploded upwards by over 60%, lifting the entire stock market along with them. Why now?  As Larry Kudlow said last week, “the real bank bailout is the upward sloping yield curve.”  In other words, the interest rates banks pay on CDs and other short term money are very low, while the rates they earn on mortgages and other bank lending are much higher. Yes, there are still a lot of toxic mortgage related assets on bank balance sheets, and outstanding adjustable rate mortgages could add still more.  With the wide spreads banks are now earning, at current interest rates, they don’t need any further taxpayer help to deal with it. Even Tim Geithner could make big profits paying 1% on CDs while lending that money out in mortgages earning 5-6%.  Holman Jenkins, in fact, reported this was developing weeks ago in his column in the Wall Street Journal. This is developing even before Treasury Secretary Geithner could get his recently announced $1 trillion bank bailout up and running.  That bailout is now completely unnecessary!  Yes, there are still a lot of toxic mortgage related assets on bank balance sheets, and outstanding adjustable rate mortgages could add still more.  But with the wide spreads banks are now earning, at current interest rates, banks don’t need any further taxpayer help to deal with it. To the contrary, the big problem for banks right now is that the Obama administration is refusing to allow banks to pay back their TARP bailout funds! Obama and his powermongers are doing that because when a bank receives taxpayer funds, the administration uses that as a reason for controlling the banks, just as they used the auto bailout as the justification for dismissing GM Chief Rick Waggoner and the company’s Board of Directors in an effective complete takeover.

The banks want to give back TARP $ but the Gov won't let them.  The Obama fascist regeim wants to keep control of the private industry they have used my tax dollars to buy an interest in.  It's no longer "power to the people", it's take power from the people, and give it to the Government.

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I think Boston Legal said it pretty well.

Tony

It's all Bush's fault.

It's all Bush's fault.

C'mon. Jump in any time...

It's all Bush's fault.

Good post Tony....


Lefty..

Bob P wrote on Apr 15^th, 2009 at 12:22pm:

Did the Bush DHS or the Obama DHS use the FBI report to send out a warning to enforcement officials? (and keep a real close eye on cars with McCain stickers).

OHMIGOSH!!  This just in ...  Live Free and stay the fig out of Virginia!!  Their "terrorism and security awareness orientation" for all state employees trains people to be aware of ""suspicious"" things that might indicate terrorism.  One thing they mention is 'unattended vehicles' ...  it scares me to think I often park my car and leave it unattended.  I imagine they will have the bomb squad out to blow up ALL unattended vehicles in the name of security!!  What kind of police state is Virginia??  It's like a mandate to shoot people walking away from parking lots because those people just created unattended vehicles!!

The Virginia document also notes that terrorists like to use maps and cameras!!!!  And when I am a tourist, I often carry and use both maps and a camera!!  The fact that law enforcement in Virginia (and every state employee) are now keeping both eyes open for people with maps and cameras is proof that they are OUT TO GET ME AND MANY OTHER LAW ABIDING CITIZENS!!!  It's a conspiracy, spelled out in the black and white in official documents for all to see.  But they want to take our maps and cameras away from the sheeple, so we will be lost and blind!!  That, and TARP money for the banks, also!!!

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Unfortunately postmenopausal political hacks have a lot in common with this despicable alert sent out by DHS...  I realize the term postmenopausal may appear inappropriate so forgive me if I've offended anyone at that stage of life. It's just a fact... Having spent the better part of a year on a postmenopausal regimen of fosamax and hormones to repair the damage done by nearly two years of taking prednisone...  I know what it's like to be called postmenopausal... and at my age...   it's no big deal...

Having said that, the fact remains true when one recalls the last left-wing postmenopausal political hack in a previous left-wing administration who pulled similar stunts only using real bullets against people in the US... "Shoot'em-Up" at Ruby Ridge and Waco Attorney General Janet Reno...  You begin to see the classic liberal MO all over again...  

The Marxist trained community organizer and his Chief of Staff, "Dead Fish" Emanuel, were well aware of all the Tea Parties planned for today that must have had them loading their pants...  

Accordingly, they let DHS (Napolitano) launch the first salvo of radical left cerebral flatulence at Conservative Americans...  by saying anyone opposed to abortion, amnesty for illegal aliens, runaway spending and over taxation is a far right wing radical....  

YGBSM!!!  That DHS alert crossed the line...  The Marxist trained community organizer's administration has declared war on American conservatives...

Good people of Clusterville, this is right out of the far-left playbook and standard operating procedures for the liberals...  demonize conservatives...  paint them as radicals...  do anything to conceal the fact that they are trying to destroy capitalism, the Constitution, our great Nation, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...  all in the name of being "progressive"... then hide behind the skirts of administrative appointee hacks...

For reference, the statement coming out of DHS is a rework of the Marxist trained community organizer's campaign speech in San Francisco where he dissed Midwest voters as Gun Toting, Bible Thumping Rednecks and Archie Bunker types."

"And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”  - Obama

"The presumptive Democrat presidential front runner said his plan would employ “these Archie Bunker-type people” in government programs “to register and/or confiscate inappropriate personal firearms, to monitor churches for hate-speech about homosexuality or abortion, and to build tax-funded housing for low income illegal aliens.” - Obama

If you can't see through the obvious anti-conservative propaganda coming out of the most radical far left administration in our Nation's history, open your ears and eyes...  It's all over the place!

If you've not done the math...  here's a factoid on the obscene and egregious spending over the last few years...  and yes Republicans are guilty too...  An employed taxpaying person of 20 will pay $120,000 in tax over his or her wage-earning career just to pay for the interest (not principal) on the present National debt...

And... when the Marxist trained community organizer gets done with his out of control spending during his first term, the National debt will double and so will the tax that 20 year old will pay over his or her wage earning career...

And Oh By The Way...  I'm still waiting to hear the liberal rationale for the deaths of 50 Million American babies through abortion when less than 3% were due to the health of the mother...  You can't answer that can you?

But I'll bet you're proud that Kathleen Sebelius, the 44th Governor of Kansas, who as Governor, vetoed every bill that would have protected the rights of the unborn, is going to be HHS...  and guess what she is?

And catch this... another one of them...  this time it's Secretary of State, Clinton who just promised to send a US envoy to a Somali conference on piracy...  Wow...  Now that's stunning...

Take very good care...  Our Nation and our freedoms are in great danger from the radical left.

V/R, Batch

See, batch,  that's the difference between the middle of the country and you on the extremist right.  When the FBI or BATF knocks on a door with a search warrant, moderates would not shoot the government agents dead, nor would they celebrate the martyrdom of people who did so and then ended up committing suicide when the government moved in to end the siege.  Get it?  

Batch - where was your worrysome message about our debt while your last leader was turning the gift of a RECORD SURPLUS into the shit sandwich of a RECORD DEFICEIT?

Oh yeah, you were somewhere still bitching about clintons blow job.

You so called "conservatives" are the biggest hypocrits. What have you "conservered"?

Ahhh, You were right Brewdude. It WAS bush's fault. How could of I not seen that.    ;)

Mike

Don't you feel better now, Mike?

It doesn't matter whether it's true or not.

Nope, not at all.

C'mon, man. You're not trying hard enough.

It's already been proven successful on tens of millions.

Nope, not at all to the it doesn't matter part. They already have me converted.      ;)

I'd like to take a moment to thank the developers of this forum system for the incredibly useful IGNORE button.  It is more effective than Verapamil on my blood pressure.

Shawn wrote on Apr 15^th, 2009 at 6:36pm:

I'd like to take a moment to thank the developers of this forum system for the incredibly useful IGNORE button.  It is more effective than Verapamil on my blood pressure.

I wish I had to ask permission of the owners to "un-ignore" someone. When the crazy whim strikes me to read something posted by someone previously ignored, I'm always sorry.  

Always.

The truth is Politics are opinions from different points of view. To be argued on for the best outcome.

I see a few here that like to change the subject because they will not accept the same type of criticism they spoke of another President. Blinded by their own parties politics.

Batch is pointing out some valid concerns and should be given the same respect as we all want. If you can prove his points to be invalid then do so, with respect please.

Batch spent a large part of his life serving this country and in my opinion he still is. If people don't really care, why are we here?

Don

For some of us, politics are not exactly the same thing as core values.  Our core values certainly drive our political leanings, but the core values are far more important that the game of politics.  Unfortunately that leads to  trying to argue core values with someone who is purely arguing politics, and that's why the conversations completely bypass each other.

I have stopped arguing politics with those who choose not to be grounded by the Constitution.  It is pointless.  Either you believe in this government as framed by our founders, or you don't.  It is a simple matter to do your own research and discover what our founders meant when they crafted our Constitution and the various amendments... read the Federalist papers.  Read the anti-Federalist papers. Learn about the philosophers that the framers of the constitution modeled their thinking after. Read history books about the rise and fall of previous empires like Rome.  Read up on Karl Marx, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler.  You will learn how and why these systems fail, and why our government was designed with the concept of God-given, unalienable rights bestowed on man not by men, but by the natural order of the universe (some people call this God).

I truly believe in our system of government, but that does not mean I believe that it is invulnerable to the apathy, greed, and evil intentions that exist in the world.  It is a thing of beauty that deserves our complete attention and steadfast support.  Otherwise, by our silence, we agree to have it destroyed by those who would happily seize the opportunity to subjugate us.

But, that doesn't mean I have to argue with idiots.  For now, I debate only with those who choose to educate themselves about why we (America) are who we are before they proclaim who we should be.  Intelligent debate is nice, but ideological head banging it not something I care to participate in any more.

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Don, I stand corrected. You're right. People DO care.

But they mistake caring about the country and our situation, for caring about being right and proving others wrong. Like Rush. The new breed of "conservative" isn't a conservative at all, but an elite liberal seperatist.

Those people  only care about the consitiution or the truth when it helps them stoke their ego and help them win arguements, which is often the only reason they are here.

They love to leave out the parts that do not actively promote the exact spin they prefer.

I have some bitchin exchanges saved on my hard drive with some so-caled conservatives on here that really highlight the extend of the agressive behavior, the lying and then the desperate denial to save face. Definition of hypocrit.

And most of the time, it is these people that open these doors on the boards. Then people repsond and they bitch some more.

What frickin good is any of it going to do? Unless these tireless bitchers are ready to use the 2nd admendment and form a armed rebellion (that is what it is all about right? I mean the right to bear arms against a corrupt government) then 1. it really isn't as bad as these McCarthyists are selling, or 2. they are just disingenuine. Can't have it both ways, though usually that is just what they try to do.

Shawn wrote on Apr 16^th, 2009 at 12:34am:

...  Either you believe in this government as framed by our founders, or you don't.  It is a simple matter to do your own research and discover what our founders meant when they crafted our Constitution and the various amendments... read the Federalist papers.  Read the anti-Federalist papers.

The founding fathers were rarely of one mind - as you indicate with references to the Federalist Papers and various anti-Federalist tracts that were published.  When Jefferson handpicked Madison to succeed him, Madison was 'unanimously' approved, even though 30% of the delegates were boycotting the meeting in protest.  The duel between Hamilton and Burr is emblematic of the deep political differences between those who laid the initial framework of the country.  Much of what the founding fathers settled on was a compromise - because even then, politics was the art of the possible.

What do you make of these quotes from the founding fathers??

Personal property is the effect of Society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of Society, as it is for him to make land originally. Separate an individual from Society, and give him an island or continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property.   (Thomas Paine, in support of a collectivist view of wealth)

There is no natural right to bequeath, nor to inherit. Inheritance tax is therefore morally justified.  (Thomas Jefferson, in support of land reform, ie, government redistribution of wealth.)

In "Agrarian Justice" Paine proposed "A Basic Income Guarantee" - he thought all should receive a modest sum of money from the government, even those (especially those) too destitute to pay taxes. This program flowed from the natural rights of man to life, and these natural rights were more important than property rights. It was to be funded by taxes on those who owned productive land.

Ahhh Monty…  You make fishing for liberals such great sport…  You rise to take the bait on nearly every cast…  Let’s see…  was that page 2 of the liberal playbook where it tells you how to slide in the slam on the 2nd Amendment?  Perhaps it was page 1 where it tells you and Janet Napolitano how to diss the conservative values and principles embodied in the Constitution by singling out veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan as a threat to National security?  Or was it page 3 where they tell you how to fear monger?  

You’re off message Monty, so we can only assume you missed the uber liberal daily twitter yesterday morning.  You were supposed to diss the Tea Parties then tell me I would be receiving a tax rebate…  like the shill from CNN…


monty wrote on Apr 15^th, 2009 at 3:36pm:

See, batch,  that's the difference between the middle of the country and you on the extremist right.  When the FBI or BATF knocks on a door with a search warrant, moderates would not shoot the government agents dead, nor would they celebrate the martyrdom of people who did so and then ended up committing suicide when the government moved in to end the siege.  Get it?

Hmmm…  The last time I looked, it was al-Qaeda terrorists that crashed airliners into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, the Pentagon, and the smoking hole near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, killing over three thousand Americans on 9/11…  

They were all Arabs…  They were also radical Muslims…  Yet we’re expected to let our government profile any American who is opposed to out of control spending, abortion, a bloated government run by idiots that are incapable of balancing a budget, or the egregious acts of the politburo in voting for an obscene porkulus bill without reading it…  

If opposing these things that are destroying our Nation places me on the extremist right, then I will fight to protect your rights under the 1st Amendment to say that…  I’ll also claim that same right to say your ideas are full of liberal bat guano.

Perhaps you can tell us why we hear nothing about the real threat from known terrorists profiles…  Many of them are already here in the US practicing Sharia law and favoring jihad in the mosque right down the street…  

Why we can’t even call pirates the terrorists that they really are… Instead we must refer to them as criminals with an unfortunate childhood or merchant mariner organizers…  how cute…  how nuanced…

Maybe you can explain why the Marxist trained community organizer nearly split his britches doing a full bow at the waist to an Arab king…  how sweet…  and very nuanced…

By the way, I’m still confused about one thing…  You exercise a keen intellect in reaching out with compassion to fellow cluster headache sufferers in need, yet you still haven’t given us the liberal rationale for the murder of 50 million American babies before they could be born when less than 3% were aborted to save the mother’s life…  You can’t do it, can you?

Take care,

V/R, Batch

There is little doubt amoung the people I know who read history books besides the rainbow ending ones high schools and colleges hand out that this country was mostly founded by what were at the time, liberal.

The bulk of the conservative element actually wanted to stay vassels of England indefinatly. There was quite a battle amoung the colonists before any battle against England.

Anyone well versed in Adam Smith, the father of capitolism, is  clear that he provided 90% tax for America's most welathy consituants.

Lots of societies do not allow people of exuberant wealth to make money off of poor people in the form of interest and what not for even things as home and car loans. In America, your dying grandmother's health is for sale to the lobbists with the highest bidder.

The funny thing is, the real divide in America is not Democrat or Republican, but it is increasingly between the haves and have-nots. The haves LOVE it when things get partisan - the longer they can keep the have-nots at each others throats the more they can steal for themselves while they play-act out their fights (while they laugh all the way to the bank). And yes that is democrat AND republican alike. Face it - this shit is broke and needs fixing. Too bad the only people that can do that are the ones who benefit by it being broke.

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They were all Arabs…  They were also radical Muslims…  Yet we’re expected to let our government profile any American who is opposed to out of control spending, abortion, a bloated government run by idiots that are incapable of balancing a budget, or the egregious acts of the politburo in voting for an obscene porkulus bill without reading it…

And they were 99% Saudis, who the US marine corps has been protecting for decades. They are not a democratic nation, they are an oppresive monarchary, like we fought against to win out independence. Why did your favorite president attack the wrong country - Oh yeah he was bowing down to an Arab king. So while no one saw the US marines killed and drug through the streets on tv of saudi arabia, where we get our oil, we saw "shock and Awe" or should I say "distract and awe". And all the while oil companies recorded record profits and bush gave my tax money away to people who bought Hummers.

And you keep bringing up the pork bill, which all but 39 republicans voted for. Your side is just to blame as the side you thing you are  outting.

Abortion, Batch? Really? You got all the answers right off of FOX new at 10. and 11, and 12. You and GOD must be on a first name basis.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of the Ignore Button.

Back to the original topic....sounds like she is profiling....I thought the government and media told us profiling is wrong.

You know, this whole thing, including the "Tea Parties" looks puny when compared to the 1930s. Now there was some serious "partying!" We survived it though....and the war...then came McCarthyism....got over that too.

Charlie

Batch wrote on Apr 16^th, 2009 at 2:21pm:

Perhaps it was page 1 where it tells you and Janet Napolitano how to diss the conservative values and principles embodied in the Constitution by singling out veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan as a threat to National security?

I guess you missed the memo from Glen Gardner:


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The leader of the VFW came to Homeland's defense, calling the report "a threat assessment, not accusation.'' It could have been "worded differently,'' the VFW leader said of the Homeland note of military veterans reengaging in society, but: "A government that does not assess internal and external security threats would be negligent of a critical public responsibility," said Glen M. Gardner Jr., national commander of the 2.2 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars of the U.S. and its Auxiliaries.

Perhaps in your version of patriotism the government should not assess internal threats?

Your idea that the US Constitution embodies conservative values is ok with me, but don't stop there ... it also embodies liberal values as well.  



Batch wrote on Apr 16^th, 2009 at 2:21pm:

Why we can’t even call pirates the terrorists that they really are… Instead we must refer to them as criminals with an unfortunate childhood or merchant mariner organizers…  how cute…  how nuanced…

I have never heard of anyone referring to pirates as 'merchant mariner organizers' or 'open ocean entrepeneurs' except Rush and others on the right. Your insinuation that liberals support kidnapping and armed robbery is so ridiculous that we can't find it insulting - you clearly are missing some marbles and are to be pitied.


Batch wrote on Apr 16^th, 2009 at 2:21pm:

By the way, I’m still confused about one thing…  You exercise a keen intellect in reaching out with compassion to fellow cluster headache sufferers in need, yet you still haven’t given us the liberal rationale for the murder of 50 million American babies before they could be born when less than 3% were aborted to save the mother’s life…  You can’t do it, can you?

You are apparently confused about more than one thing. I have said before that if you want to make every thread about abortion, that is your right ... but I don't intend on following your lead.  


Batch wrote on Apr 16^th, 2009 at 2:21pm:

You’re off message Monty, so we can only assume you missed the uber liberal daily twitter yesterday morning.  You were supposed to diss the Tea Parties then tell me I would be receiving a tax rebate…  like the shill from CNN…

Off message?  Whose message is that? I write what I like and I don't twitter. But if you insist, the tea parties were ridiculous. First, people spent money on a million tea bags that they were going to dump in the Potomac River. Then, they found that laws against littering prohibited that. So they were going to dump the million tea bags on tarps in a park, ceremoniously invoke the spirit of tea bagging, and clean up all the tea bags. But their park permit didn't allow them to do that.  So a handful of people took the tea bags into a conference room in a Washington think tank, and they threw the bags on a table and the floor, they stomped, and said a few angry things. Powerful voodoo or silly, empty symbolism?? Most Americans are laughing.  

We have representation to go with our taxation - problem is, when your side loses an election big time, the majority of those representatives are not singing your political song any more. Get used to it - representation does not mean every one gets everything they want all the time.  That's called utopianism, and it can't be found anywhere except in the fiction aisle.  

Artonio wrote on Apr 15^th, 2009 at 12:46pm:

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Out-fricking standing. Too bad it is all true and much much worse.

People don't let these elete seperatist scaredy cats use fear to make you beleive what is simply and in plain sight , not true.

Were the last 8 years of your life better or worse than the previous 8? Do you honestly think that the Bush regime was on the correct path? Do you really want to be lumped in with the supporters of Rush, who HOPES AMERICA gets worse, only so he can say "I told you so". Is that what you want to foster.

If you are insulted by the inane ramblings of scared immature holier than thou hate mongers who try any tactic to convince you they are anything but that, and never tell the whole truth but instead condescenanly over-complicate the truth when it exposes them and over-simplify it when it proves them, then tell them so.

Most of America did it by voting not long ago. Remember all the lies and BS and economic woes caused by the greed of the Bush administration, because the next 4 years is gonna be long and they will never, ever shut up, counting on the fact that you will tire, and some will be tricked, and thier guy screwed up so bad they have nothing to lose - but YOU do.

My, this certainly is a productive thread. I can tell that it has changed the minds of many!

"ceremoniously invoke the spirit of tea bagging" ?
Now that is some seriously kinky stuff.
I'm shocked. What in the world is our country coming to? It's the beginning of the end I tell ya.

superhawk2300 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2009 at 8:35pm:


People don't let these elete seperatist scaredy cats use fear to make you beleive what is simply and in plain sight , not true.

Were the last 8 years of your life better or worse than the previous 8? Do you honestly think that the Bush regime was on the correct path? Do you really want to be lumped in with the supporters of Rush, who HOPES AMERICA gets worse, only so he can say "I told you so". Is that what you want to foster.

If you are insulted by the inane ramblings of scared immature holier than thou hate mongers who try any tactic to convince you they are anything but that, and never tell the whole truth but instead condescenanly over-complicate the truth when it exposes them and over-simplify it when it proves them, then tell them so.

Most of America did it by voting not long ago. Remember all the lies and BS and economic woes caused by the greed of the Bush administration, because the next 4 years is gonna be long and they will never, ever shut up, counting on the fact that you will tire, and some will be tricked, and thier guy screwed up so bad they have nothing to lose - but YOU do.[/quote]

Standing and applauding!


out
see you all at the convention

Marc wrote on Apr 16^th, 2009 at 9:07pm:

My, this certainly is a productive thread. I can tell that it has changed the minds of many!

:D

And who is projecting fear here? Please don't fear the truth. The beginning of this thread is about someting true.

Polititians are not the most trustworthy folks, I hope you all understand that. You don't have to fear Bush or Rush they're not in our government.

You guys all remind me why our Government has such a hard time doing anything. Hate mongering is not the way...

Don

Spot on Chris...  But you see profiling is alright if the uber liberal progressives do it...  Just vote the idiot Congressmen in your State out of office if they didn't bother to read the porkulus bill before voting for it...  

The political pendulum of public opinion has started to swing the other way and the two RINOette Senators from Maine are already loading their depends over what voting for the stimulus bill is doing to the other RINO, Arlen Specter...  

“Just 31% of Keystone State voters say are more likely to vote for Specter because of his position on the stimulus package while 40% are less likely to do so.’  That is going to spread.

I've already faxed and sent email to the idiot Congressmen from my state that failed to read the stimulus bill before voting for it.  I’ve politely told them to start looking for employment elsewhere come election time...

The Boston Legal video is good TV drama but I prefer 24... If you want to see some real action, the uber lefties at the dally kuz and bluffington post are suffering explosive gastroenteritis over the fact that their Marxist trained community organizer just approved the NSA wire tap program and placed it back in operation...

I fail to see why this important program that has kept us safe since 9/11 has so many folks running around with their knickers in a bunch...  Wait until you get universal health care...  You don't know what an invasion of privacy is until you find high resolution full color images and videos of your colon in a government data base at HHS...

As far as handling of the POWs go...  I don't recall there being any of reports of deaths after they were in US custody...   Unfortunately the same can't be said for some of the fraternity initiations...  or the 50 million babies aborted before they could be born since Roe vs Wade passed in 1973...  Howz that for putting things in perspective?

And Charlie...  You're right...  We did recover from a host of political screw-ups in the past...  However, the past transgressions didn't take us headlong into socialism or spend our Nation into a generational debt that will take two generations of Americans to pay off...  Federal and State big government spending is already up to 40% of the GNP…  and both parties in the House are still voting for more spending that none of us can pay for without handing over more than half our pay in taxes and that’s still not enough…

The Tea Parties on 15 April were a wake-up call…  over 260,000 attended Tea Party protests in 306 different cities across the country.

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They were not just Republicans, Democrats, and moderates…  They were Americans peacefully protesting out of control spending by both parties, bailouts, a promise of change by the Marxist trained community organizer that he has failed to honor, delivering instead the far left socialist policies of tax & spend, and redistribution of wealth, a bloated government that is only getting bigger while taking over industry to destroy capitalism at every opportunity, and many other egregious acts.

Most of all, they are angry that we have an administration and Congress that will not listen…  and that anger is well founded as true to form…  the Marxist trained community organizer claimed he was unaware of the Tea Parties…

"The White House says the president is unaware of the tea parties and will hold his own event today," ABC's Dan Harris said on "Good Morning America" on April 15.

So much for the promised transparency…  That was a flat out lie by the White House…  and anyone who believes that lie is a fool…  

Rohm “Dead Fish” Emanuel has polls running daily in every State and several in every major population center so the White House knew damn well all about the Tea Parties.  They had Axelrod, the master of "Astroturfing" working overtime loading TOTUS and their twitter tweeter nearly melt down trying to get out all the spin…  How else would the lame stream media, most of whom are in or on the verge of bankruptcy, get all the same uber liberal talking points to bash Tea Parties, Tea Party attendees, Fox News, and talk radio?  It’s very obvious…

Even the wicked witch of the West, princess Pelosi and her politburo got twitted with the buzzword “Astroturf” to use in describing the grass roots effort started by CNBC’s Rick Santelli’s famous rant calling for a Chicago Tea Party back in February.

Then on Thursday, the Marxist trained community organizer violated the cardinal rule of law governing intelligence matters…  You never divulge “sources and methods” for any reason…  

Unfortunately, the Marxist trained community organizer cares so little about the safety and security of our Nation, he handed sensitive Top Secret intelligence information over to the American Communist Liberty Union…  He has no idea of the damage he’s done…

Well bless my long gray whiskers, It looks like we hooked another spinning liberal or two…  back the boat down Billy…  we gotta get some line back before they spit the hook.  

And Monty…  You still can’t answer the abortion question can you?   You’re becoming a very Artful Dodger…  Where’s Fagin?

Take care, very good care,.. You’re going to need all you can get…

V/R, Batch

Honestly I generally ignore the political themes...but.........what if....

Bush really wasn't the reincarnation of Hitler........what if he was an idealistic man, who may have done some illegal drugs as a young man in college....and became president because he thought he could help keep this country great. And honestly did what he thought was right in an attempt to keep the country strong and leave the country a better place for his children.....and....what if...

Obama really wasn't an undercover operative for Al Queda, and wasn't part of the vast liberal conspiracy to create a new socialist order,  take guns away from everybody, and generally believed the path he was taking was the humane, noble and right thing to do. What if he was actually being guided by what he thought would be the best course to take to leave a better country for his children.

I know.........it's just that kind of nonsense that would put a thousand hate radio jocks out of business. I'll go back into my corner and forget the thought that everybody has a little good in them. Utter hogwash in hind sight! ;) Back to hate radio! :'(

Joe

Subtle or not so subtle, if considered so.


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Chuck did once on another thread.


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Haven't we had ENOUGH of the political bashing YET?? Neither side is going to convince the other side.  It is fine to have strong beliefs, but is your bashing needed here?  It seems that some people here are just looking for verbal jousting matches. It has gotten where I don't open a lot of threads, because it sounds like another fucking bashing contest.  Enough is enough!!  It has gotten WAY out of control, in my mind. I thought that once the election was over with, we would get a MUCH needed breather ... But NOOOO!!!! GEEZE!   Chuck, who now has ANOTHER thread not to open ...

A thought, or maybe we'll just need a majority ignoring first.
       

Poeple try ignoring, the problem is these open door posts will never stop. If people are going to start a thread and open a door, then they will have to live with what walks through the door.

And now it is more important than ever that people do walk through the doors. These people count on being able to bamboozel others with lies and just plain tire them out. Do you really want the country to go back to where is was the last 8 years? If so, keep ignoring these open doors and in 4 years we can have another Bush in office.

Batch - your state has the 13th most projects in the stimulus package.

Sorry, I should say your REPUBLICAN majority represented state has the 13th most projects in the stimulus plan (400)


Have you taken your own advice and bitched out your republican leaders yet?

New Hampshire, a democratic state, is the only state with ZERO pet projects in the stimulus.

Alabama      318
Alaska      46
Arizona      743
Arkansas      199
California      1971
Colorado      201
Delaware      7
Washington, D.C.      8
Florida      1752
Georgia      266
Hawaii      316
Idaho      348
Illinois      1031
Indiana      713
Iowa      51
Kansas      139
Kentucky      524
Louisiana      433
Maine      72
Maryland      54
Massachusetts      266
Michigan      782
Minnesota      335
Mississippi      552
Missouri      403
Montana      57
Nebraska      154
Nevada      163
New Hampshire      0
New Jersey      261
New Mexico      215
New York      289
North Carolina      319
North Dakota      61
Ohio      847
Oklahoma      223
Oregon      159
Pennsylvania      352
Puerto Rico      340
Rhode Island      116
South Carolina      271
South Dakota      30
Tennessee      103
Texas      1240
Utah      298
Vermont      61
Virginia      400
Washington      368
West Virginia      1
Wisconsin      358
Wyoming      85

Looks like the Republic Of Texas is doing all right here. They'll be able to help move the southern border fence.  
Charlie  8-)

superhawk2300 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2009 at 8:09am:

Very few people give a shit. ?

And here is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I try to never get involved in political discussions anywhere, because in this day and age, it's futile and gets nowhere other than animosity with the opposing viewpoint.

However, I want to remind everyone.  The President of the United States, no matter his/her party, his/her color, his/her viewpoints, does NOT make the laws.

The people that YOU elect to the House of Representatives make the laws.  The people that YOU elect to the Senate ratify those laws.  The President has the power to veto those laws that come on his/her desk.

Pick a law, any law.  Let's say it is a really good law that should be enacted for the betterment of every American.    By the time it passes the House, many "earmarks (note: PORK), has been added.  Then the Senate gets the bill.  More "earmarks/PORK gets added.

Now it goes to the President.  Gee, this is a really good, necessary bill, but with all the crap that's been added it's now crap.  Do I sign, or do I veto?

If I sign, I, the President, will be held "responsible" for all the added crap.  If I veto, I, the President, will be held "responsible" for not allowing a necessary bill to pass.

I, the President is in a lose/lose position on any bill that lands on my desk.

LINE ITEM VETO POWER TO THE PRESIDENT!  Most Governors of states have this power, mine does, why does the President of the US not have this power.

Bottom line, I don't give a rats ass whether you love/hate Obama, Bush, love/hate the Democrats/Republicans, love/hate black white.  None of this has nothing to do with anything.

You got a problem with government?  Blame us for voting for, and re-voting for inept Representatives and Senators and allowing them to add their PORK to needed legislation that benefits all Americans.  Blame us, for electing the greedy, the partisan politicians, the ones who care only about their own pockets, their own party or their own constituents before caring about their country.  Blame us for voting for the local dog catcher just because we've heard of his name before.  

It's our fault.  It's only our fault.

Quit blaming the President, of any persuasion.  It's our fault.  It's my fault - it's your fault.  

It's not totally because "very few people give a shit".  They do give a shit.

What's real is because very few people realize that the President of the United States of America, has very little power in making the laws of this country.  It's because very few people understand that the people they vote into the House and the Senate are the ones to do have the power to make the laws in this country.

Got a problem?  Blame ourselves FOR Congress!

We are getting exactly what we deserve.

Soapbox is now closed.

Sandy

I am breaking a self-imposed rule to post here.  Last time I posted in a political thread I came very close to getting myself some time off.  

Folks, let me make a few points that I frankly don't care if you agree with:

1.  Republicans are idiots.  Their party leadership screwed up so much over the last 8 years it is ridiculous.  If you disagree with this, you aren't smart enough for me to discuss anything with you.  I very much agree with Joe about what he said Bush might have been.  I voted for him twice and I still think the guy is a decent person.

2.  Democrats are idiots.  Their party decided the best way to lead this country was with either a man with very little experience or a woman who is not liked much by most people.  The democrats keep strolling out a bunch of horrible candidates who either have no integrity or no experience.  I honestly think Obama is probably a good person, but President at this point was a huge stretch.  Let's hope his advisers turn out better than Bush's.

3.  Funny to make this point after #1 and #2, but the reason I said #1 and #2 was to make this point.  MAKING generalizations about people based on politics, age, gender..... just plain ignorant.  The title of this thread takes away from any intelligent discourse the initial poster might have had.  Folks, if you have something to say, try making the point without needless random insults.  I bet my #1 and #2 points would have been read with more open minds if I had not started them with the initial statements.

Anyway, my point, which I stretched into a long annoying post is that these threads would be easier to read and more interesting/informative if people would stop using hateful language and insult where they are not needed.  Had the title of this thread been "Democrats attacking our troops as they return home"  would not the message been more effective??

Well, now I can have people tell me I am a nazi for voting for Bush and McCain and have others call me a socialist for saying I think Obama is probably a good man and thinking Rush is just an entertainer with little to offer.

I'm looking forward to all the insults hurled my way, like usual.

(PS Joe, i referenced your post before but I wanted to give you props for a very solid post)

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I'm looking forward to all the insults hurled my way, like usual.

No insults here Eric. I don't ever post on these political threads because it is pointless. Neither side will ever convince the other they are wrong. All they are good for is pissing everyone off.

And who knows, that may be the agenda.

They're plenty of political web sites where one can go and argue about politics until the sun goes down. Why peeps want to do that here on a clusterhead board is beyond me.

Having said that, not much can be done about it other than hit the ignore button and not read them.

If political posts DOES make you angry or cause your blood pressure to go up, then you need to stay away. Personally, they don't make me angry unless someone makes it personal and goes beyond attacking  their party or linked opinions and starts attacking the person. While it has gotten close, so far still within the guidelines.

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Neither side will ever convince the other they are wrong. All they are good for is pissing everyone off.

   That is more than likely quite true.


   That's probably Bush's fault, too      [smiley=grin2.gif]   ;)  ::)

Mike

Thats what I was thinking. ;)

Eric - You've GOT to stop holding it inside like that. It's gonna tear you up, man. ;)

Jimi wrote on Apr 17^th, 2009 at 11:52am:

All they are good for is pissing everyone off. And who knows, that may be the agenda. They're plenty of political web sites where one can go and argue about politics until the sun goes down. Why peeps want to do that here on a clusterhead board is beyond me. While it has gotten close, so far still within the guidelines.

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It looks like we hooked another spinning liberal or two…  back the boat down Billy…  we gotta get some line back before they spit the hook.

Reminiscent of a type of fishing we do here on the lakes for walleye, called trolling.

Eric, no insults, sweetie.

As I said, don't care whether rep or dem, male/famale, black/white, liberal/conserv - it aint't the Pres who makes the laws of the land.

Look to your congressmen/women, and your senators, and yourselves to blame.

Sandy

But he makes all sorts of policy, Sandy. It ain't just about laws.

Superhawk,

Nice try, but if you want to be taken seriously in this thread, either check your facts better or demand a refund for your math education...

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superhawk2300 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2009 at 8:14am:

Batch - your state has the 13th most projects in the stimulus package. Sorry, I should say your REPUBLICAN majority represented state has the 13th most projects in the stimulus plan (400) Have you taken your own advice and bitched out your republican leaders yet? New Hampshire, a democratic state, is the only state with ZERO pet projects in the stimulus.

Virginia has two uber liberal idiot Democrat Senators that both voted for the porkulus...   One of them, Webb, got caught masquerading as a Republican in the Reagan administration and was summarily booted out on his liberal tukus after less than 10 months on the job as SECNAV...  I've politely advised both of them to seek employment elsewhere when they come up for reelection.

Of the 11 Virginia Representative to the 111th Congress, 6 are uber liberal Democrats and 5 are Republican...  Now unless you're using the obama math method, the majority is clearly uber liberal Democrats.

Moreover, all 5 of Virginia's Republicans in the 111th Congress voted AGAINST the porkulus legislation...  I've sent all of them letters, faxes, and email congratulating them on being great Americans and for being responsible and principled elected representatives from the Commonwealth of Virginia.

All five advised uber liberal Governor Kaine of Virginia to refuse the porkulus funding as being little more than a socialist trap.   It contains UnConstitutional provisions that would obligate the state to massive and costly increases in entitlements...  He didn't and now we are facing massive tax increases as a result...

Take care,

V/R, Batch

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that being said all republicans save 39 got provisions added to the pork bill you rail on. That is almost all of them. This isn't a democratic problem.

And really, putting money in the system is all that matters. It was done in the depression by having people dig holes and then having other people filling the holes that were dug. It was done by reagan by building aircraft carriers. get people working and buying goods again. It isn't rocket science.

I am glad you took your own advice. A note: my posts in opposition to you are not specifically anti-republican, they are anti-hypocrit. and in this time period I find most Bush sympathizers are hypocrits and also republicans. rest assured if Bush was a democrat and the dems controlled the gov and got the same results as the Bush administration did I would be railing on dems right now.

It's been really interesting reading this thread and learning a little about American politics. But you know what folks same shit different Country...!

Like most Western democracies the age old battle of left vs right is perennial as the grass itself, with each ideology getting a shot at power and without fail both f**@king it up....

Like the ying and yang they both need each other. So if the Right go's  way way out there there's always the Left to rope them back into centre and visa versa. To be honest i think  most parties in the future will be Pluralist anyway just looking for their next vote..

I say Vote Independent...! (maybe not)


Lefty...! ( Not an ideology but just a general area of pain...)  :'(

Superhawk,

Understand...  I've screwed the pooch a few times by not using my cheaters and misreading something...  That's why I supersize the fonts.

I agree, the massive overspending problems we face aren't just caused by one party or the other...  Members of both parties are responsible...

I realize it was too easy to suffer from Bush derangement syndrome and blame bush for all the overspending but the simple fact is it's Congress and specifically the House that writes appropriation bills...  Not the President or the Senate...  They can be co-conspirators and frequently are.   Nonetheless, it's the House that starts the ball rolling on overspending and they all too frequently plus up the President's budget request.  

Unfortunately too many in Congress have lost their way. They've become power hungry...  Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely...  As they've forgotten who they work for they need to be voted out of office at the first opportunity... and the folks we elect to fill their seats need to be sent to Congress with the mission to establish term limits...  Two terms is more than enough!  

I think we need to target all that voted in favor of the porkulus without first reading it and then we go after any that are left that voted for the omnibus year end funding bill with billions of dollars in earmarks.

After that if there are any left, we go over their voting records to see how many have been lining their pockets at the voter's expense with personalized legislation that favors their own financial holdings...

If you want a good example, check out princess Pelosi's handling of the minimum wage with respect to DelMonte, Sarkist Tuna, and American Samoa...  Very interesting reading...

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There's been similar skulduggery done in office by dirty Harry Reid... I'm in favor of a special congressional tribunal that ends with both these two doing the two-step perp walk in orange jumpsuits and manacles with mandatory prime time coverage by the lamestream media...  If we find any Republicans guilty of the same or similar crimes...  they get the same treatment...

America deserves better from their elected public servants...

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Batch wrote on Apr 17^th, 2009 at 5:28pm:

Superhawk, I think we need to target all that voted in favor of the porkulus without first reading it ....

How 'bout that Senate in the State of Georgia that accidentally voted to disband the United States and become their own country a few days ago?  Seems one of the anti-American Republicans running the show there slipped in a resolution with trip-wire provisions to secede, and it was passed without debate by a chamber that didn't bother to read what they were voting on. Ooops!!  At least the other chamber didn't make the same mistake so it has no legal force.

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And we are hearing talk of Texas leaving the US from its Republican governor - not to mention the fact that Sarah Palin's husband was long a member of an Alaska secessionist group, and that she addressed their convention on more than one occasion.

I think you Republican's should decide if your 24% really wants to crap on the flag and try to break up the country - if not, the adults in your party should exert some control... and enforce the Constitution, which prohibits anyone who is in a rebellion or insurrection against the United States from serving as an elected official.


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Well I guess I chime in here.  Sandy wins.

Strongly consider voting the Independent candidate. Try to disregard your Party inclinations and send fresh representatives who are not bought and paid for by the real legislative movers...the lobbyists.

The best message we can send as voting citizens is to derail this constant war of ideology which has us at odds as Americans.  Be careful though. Once the two Parties see the Independent candidate gaining momentum they will adopt their planks and try to convince you they stand for the same things.

Drain the swamp of the oligarchs..of both Parties.

Steve (I) G

monty wrote on Apr 17^th, 2009 at 6:26pm:

Batch wrote on Apr 17th, 2009 at 5:28pm: Superhawk, I think we need to target all that voted in favor of the porkulus without first reading it .... How 'bout that Senate in the State of Georgia that accidentally voted to disband the United States and become their own country a few days ago?  Seems one of the anti-American Republicans running the show there slipped in a resolution with trip-wire provisions to secede, and it was passed without debate by a chamber that didn't bother to read what they were voting on. Ooops!!  At least the other chamber didn't make the same mistake so it has no legal force. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE And we are hearing talk of Texas leaving the US from its Republican governor - not to mention the fact that Sarah Palin's husband was long a member of an Alaska secessionist group, and that she addressed their convention on more than one occasion. I think you Republican's should decide if your 24% really wants to crap on the flag and try to break up the country - if not, the adults in your party should exert some control... and enforce the Constitution, which prohibits anyone who is in a rebellion or insurrection against the United States from serving as an elected official. Quote: Ammendment 14, section 3: No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

I believe that TEXAS is the only state the holds the right to secede from the United States. I for one wish they would, I would move home so fast I would brake the sound barrier getting there.

But since Bush was Governor there before he was president I am sure everything that goes wrong will still be Bush's fault.

GENA :D

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And we are hearing talk of Texas leaving the US from its Republican governor - not to mention the fact that Sarah Palin's husband was long a member of an Alaska secessionist group, and that she addressed their convention on more than one occasion.

Let's see... Page Three of the uber liberal playbook... Fear Mongering...  and Page Four - Denigrate and Demonize...  Yup...  you got 'em both...

Hmmm...  You must have gotten your twitter fixed too...  You got the day's talking point on Governor Rick Perry spot on...  I suspect he's having a blast pulling the uber liberal's chain to watch them hiss like cats in rocking chair factory...  

It appears Sarah Palin really has you spooked Monty.  

BTW...  Hawaii has been threatening to secede for years, but the uber liberals give Danny Inouye and the Ke Kiaʻaina o Hawaiʻi (Governor) a pass every time...  (I know...  I was stationed there for five years).

Hmmm...  That brings up another point of interest...  Where does it say the governor of Hawaii can have a public record like the Marxist trained community organizer's birth certificate sealed...  but the Marxist trained community organizer can give away State Secrets?   There's something is wrong with this picture...

I did like your quote of "Ammendment" [sic] 14, section 3:  Particularly the part about "or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Let's see...  releasing State Secrets... "The State Secrets Privilege is an evidentiary rule created by United States legal precedent. The court is asked to exclude evidence from a legal case based solely on an affidavit submitted by the government stating court proceedings might disclose sensitive information which might endanger national security."

The Marxist trained community organizer and his uber liberal hack, AG Holder, didn't have to provide Top Secret Memo's on CIA interrogation methods to the American Communist Liberty Union lawyers...  so they could post them on the Internet...

Although this was a far more egregious breech of public trust and confidence than what he said about Venezuela a few weeks ago, I have to agree with Hugo Chavez in his assessment of the Marxist trained community organizer...  

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The islamofacists and all other terrorists out to destroy us now have gift wrapped Top Secret freebies at the expense of our Nation's security...  and all this just to meet a campaign promise and bash Bush...  How frighteningly nuanced!  

Too bad he didn't keep some of his other campaign promises like 6 days to review legislation...

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Take care,

V/R, Batch

Jimi wrote on Apr 17^th, 2009 at 11:52am:

Quote: I'm looking forward to all the insults hurled my way, like usual. No insults here Eric. I don't ever post on these political threads because it is pointless. Neither side will ever convince the other they are wrong. All they are good for is pissing everyone off. And who knows, that may be the agenda. They're plenty of political web sites where one can go and argue about politics until the sun goes down. Why peeps want to do that here on a clusterhead board is beyond me. Having said that, not much can be done about it other than hit the ignore button and not read them. If political posts DOES make you angry or cause your blood pressure to go up, then you need to stay away. Personally, they don't make me angry unless someone makes it personal and goes beyond attacking  their party or linked opinions and starts attacking the person. While it has gotten close, so far still within the guidelines.

you have to admire batches passion and choice of words. he puts allot of thought into his posts. the man is an artist. wish i was retired like that  ;D

Texas law prohbits us from seceeding, but it gives us the right to break into 10 new states... that would be interesting.... Old Rick needs to brush up on his Texas History (oops I forgot they quit teaching that to kids in TEXAS schools).


Nuther thing.... I might not agree with EVERYTHING the PRESIDENT does, but I still RESPECT the OFFICE of PRESIDENT. The country ELECTED him for better or worse (sounds like we married him don't it? :) ).

I've had the opportunity to live in a lot of foreign countries including some of the ones we don't get along with right now (Korea and Venezuela included) and think we're better off talking to them rather than bombing them. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer is a good axiom to remember. I can't fault Obama for that one. Why not talk to them - find out where they're coming from?

Guess I was raised to THINK for myself. Heck, sometimes I'm a liberal and sometimes I'm real conservative, but I've never needed Boss Rush or FIX news to tell me what I SHOULD be thinking. I can usually figure it out for myself. I learned to read at an early age and can usually muddle thru those bills that Congress insists on muddling up with a lot of whyfores an whatas's. I keep writing them and telling them they're full of crap, but they just keep putting all that B$ in there anyhow.

Sandy is right about us - we just keep electing Congressman and Senators who just keep on screwing up our country. It's our fault pure and simple. And then we come to a forum like this and ARGUE about who's right and who's wrong -- WE ARE!!!

But as my sainted Mother always said, "Be careful about pointing that finger, cause if you look down, you've got at least three pointed right back at ya!"

Hugs BD

I'm all for Texas secession. What easier way would it be for Democrats to gain a fillibuster-proof Senate? Works for me!

For President of Texas: George W. Bush......

Charlie

But then remember, Charlie: Don't mess with Texas.

Charlie wrote on Apr 18^th, 2009 at 1:52pm:

For President of Texas: George W. Bush...... Charlie

that would cool. maybe then he could pursue his plans with the mexican pilot program and then hire some mexicans to build the wall. i don't know what good it would do to build a wall when your letting their trucks come right through with out even stopping but what the hell do i know, i'm just a dumbass truck driver. >:(

maybe after 8 years the entire congress would be converted to the left then maybe the the state of texas will be so sick of bush they'll elect a black man for president. ::)