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Title: Re: Sign of the Times… Post by Brew on Jun 11th, 2009 at 10:08pm
The AMA has said they are opposed to this nationalized health care plan.
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Title: Re: Sign of the Times… Post by Charlie on Jun 12th, 2009 at 12:06am Quote:
The AMA's opposition to Medicare bordered on anarchy. Of course, it turned out to be the biggest cash cow for doctors that anyone could imagine. The level abuse of the system is stunning and the abuse is by the medical delivery system by not allowing stronger oversight. The AMA would never go back. Charlie |
Title: Re: Sign of the Times… Post by BarbaraD on Jun 12th, 2009 at 6:02am
So far I've had no problems with medicare and it's WONDERFUL to finally have some insurance.
For those of us who've NOT be able to get insurance for years and years and have gone bareback and hoped against hope that nothing really bad happened it's wonerful to finally have insurance. I just can't see what the hullaballow is all about. Without medicare and the VA I don't think my husband would have gotten the care he needed after his stroke. His medical bills ran into the unknown regions... The insuance we HAD (that cancelled on us) would have run out before it even reached the second year. If that's socialized medicine - then thank goodness for it. For those who've had insurance - great. But for those of us who haven't - well, when the doc orders and test and you have to ask, "how much is that going to cost?" and then have to say, "I think I'll have to wait till I save up the money for it." it can get pretty bad. Can universal health care be worse than that? For the past 15+ years I haven't been able to obtain insurance except occasionally at exorbiant fees (8-900 per month) so it's been cost prohibitive - now I can and if something happens I'm covered. So far I haven't had any trouble with O2. I don't go to the doctor much, but now knowing that I can makes me feel a lot better. Anyhow that's ONE opinion... Hugs BD :-* |
Title: Re: Sign of the Times… Post by deltadarlin on Jun 12th, 2009 at 8:23am
Barbara,
I have to agree with you (and Charlie). If you have health care, any type of socialized medicine appears to be the 4 eyed monster. If you don't have health care (or if you have the shit sarah has), socialized medicine looks wonderful. There has to be a happy medium. If you think socialized health care is so horrible, try giving up your insurance and using the charity system. You just might rethink your stance. |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Batch on Jun 12th, 2009 at 3:58pm
Good people of clusterville,
I wasn't kidding when I said BOHICA... June 12 (Bloomberg) -- Health-care overhaul legislation being drafted by House Democrats will include $600 billion in tax increases and $400 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel said. Barbara, if you thought Medicare was good... Don't hold your breath... It looks like it's going to take a hit. I've got it too and this is BAD NEWS! Please keep sending your cards, letters, faxes, and email to your idiot congressmen who are voting for this piece of crap! Advise them to seek employment elsewhere come reelection time if not before... Take care and... BOHICA V/R, Batch |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Charlie on Jun 12th, 2009 at 11:44pm
Well, I'm very skeptical at what will come out of Washington on health care. I have Medicare and so far, I like it. It's not perfect and mostly because all those wonderful private insurers have their hooks into it. For now, I have state help with drugs too.....and not that lunatic Bush mess that serves drug companies, not us.
Anyway, Isn't it sweet that drug companies, insurers, and health care providers are camping out all over Washington offering to help out with coming up with any health care plan......How lucky can we get? I suppose it would be blasphmey to point out that these benevolent types are more interested in saving their sweet little asses by making sure that any serious attempts will take the better part of a decade to have much of an effect on their little world. These evil bastards are there to keep as much of the status quo as possible. No matter what they say, they are not on your side. It makes my blood boil. There was a short time, Barb when I had no health coverage and had no way to come up the $310 cost per prescription for my anti-convulsant. I spent weeks trying to get a drug company to put me on one of their assisted programs. I had to use it only once thanks to Medicare. What a Godsend Medicare has been. I'd hate to be the one who votes to weaken the system. Yikes. Charlie |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by BarbaraD on Jun 13th, 2009 at 7:01am
Look, I'm not the brightest light on the tree, but all these problems we're having right now didn't start this year.... and they're probably not going to get settled this year.
I've been upset with our government (and writing complaining) since they told me I HAD to wear seat belts! Those silly people in Congress (not just a few but ALL of them) need to sit down and LOOK at what they've done! We've got INSURANCE companies practicing MEDICINE in this country NOT doctors. That needs to be STOPPED! Pharmacutical companies are spending a fortune ADVERTISING new drugs! That needs to be stopped! (That's a lot worse than advertising cigarettes and booze). Doctors order things and the insurance companies have to PRE-approve (second guess) that order - that needs to be stopped! People are dying because of it. Back in 68 when I had my son, I took VITAMINS while I was pregnant, didn't know what I was having until he was born (then lost a $10 bet to the doc cause I swore he was a girl) and had a perfectly healthy baby - out of pocket cost $250. My kids are having a baby now and have had at least 100 tests for all kinds of stuff and I don't even want to know how much they've spent. For what - they're having a BABY for goodness sakes! And of course they already know it's a boy and have him named. Is this "common sense" or is this COST OVERRUN? I don't know the answer to cutting medical costs, but I do know that until we let doctors start practicing medicine again - the costs are NOT going down. I'm a BIG proponent of getting rid of lobbist in DC and keeping them OUT! But I guess that's how those guys in Congress support themselves.... Hugs BD :-* |
Title: Re: Sign of the Times… Post by Sandy_C on Jun 13th, 2009 at 11:31am deltadarlin wrote on Jun 12th, 2009 at 8:23am:
My husband, Tarey, and I are in both situations. He has Medicare (finally) and I have the shit policy, like Sarah. There was a time when we both had nothing - every dime was out of our pocket. We thank God that Tarey is on Medicare right now, because he had a hernia operation (paid by Medicare), is being treated for high blood pressure (drug cost $4.00 per bottle of pills) gout ($4.00 per bottle of pills), high cholesterol ($4.00 per bottle of pills), and the biggie, almost total hearing loss in his right ear ($30.00 co-pay to the specialist). God bless Medicare. On the other hand, there's me. I have a shit policy that pays for absolutely nothing unless I am "admitted" to the hospital - in other words, catastrophic care. There is nothing for doctor's visits, drugs, lab tests, even outpatient surgery - not one dime. What's the average cost for a simple visit to your GP? $100??? If I'm admitted, I have a $5,000 deductible. Because of my pre-existing conditions, I have NO coverage at all, even if admitted to a hospital for my knees, legs, back, and CH. If I get in a car wreck, my knees, legs, back are damaged. Tough shit - no coverage. For this lovely policy, I am paying $400 a month - just for me. I don't want to call it socialized medicine, but God bless anything that helps me. Without Medicare, I have can't imagine how much we would have had to pay out of pocket for Tarey's expenses, living on his Social Security, and my 42% reduction in salary. We are watching our spending very tightly. I'm actually frightened because I trust not a single one of our Senators or Congressmen/women. Everything done by our government has nothing whatsoever to do with what's "good for the citizens" yet EVERYTHING to do with partisan politics. Sandy |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Callico on Jun 13th, 2009 at 12:55pm
Sandy,
Anything that happens in a car accident should be covered by your auto policy. If you don;t have any med coverage on it it can be added for a very small amount. Talk to your agent or look at your policy to see. If you are hit by someone else you are covered by his policy (unless you live in Aurora where half don't bother with insurance). Jerry |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by M.R. on Jun 13th, 2009 at 4:15pm |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Kevin_M on Jun 14th, 2009 at 5:04pm KingOfPain wrote on Jun 14th, 2009 at 1:06pm:
stimulus legislation: a little of the overstuffing. Quote:
Damn those "yay" votes. |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Charlie on Jun 14th, 2009 at 9:39pm
Interesting posts kids. Steven King couldn't come up with a horror story more bizarre than our health care system. It's stunning.
Wall Street (you know how well they do things lately) loves our present system. For profit hospitals...something fairly new as a rule, clinics, and health care system manufacturers have been making billions since medicine has become more and more market oriented. A whole new volcabulary has had to be developed. Patients are now "consumers," and doctors are now "providers." Thanks to a lobbying culture that's dwarfs any other, it's not politically feasible for Congress to vote for a single payer system. Naturally the GOP is using the old socialized medicine tactic. It's not of course. No one will be forced to use only approved doctors or stand in line. That's a fear tactic. You can use your current insurance if you like. The only thing that is socialistic is that the government handles payment to them. It's a huge battle that is exists because of the mountains of cash from drug and medical lobbyists for anyone who will vote against reform. Just an aside: As of 2004 less than 29% of doctors are members of the AMA. It's purpose has changed and gets paid by drug companies and the like to oppose any change in the status quo. Charlie |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Shawn on Jun 15th, 2009 at 1:00pm
Call it whatever you want, Charlie. You're old enough to have the luxury of not worrying about what this system will look like later on... good for you.
I think the people shouting 'socialized medicine' as a scare tactic have it half right. Anyone who believes that a single payer system can co-exist with private insurers and preserve the freedom of choice we currently enjoy is smoking crack. The current system is broken, and apparently that means we are obligated to do whatever the anointed one says we must do. Once we have a single payer, every aspect of medical care will be under the full control of the government. What treatment can you get? What medicines will be researched? What procedures will be eliminated? Since your over-eating costs all of us money, how long before our very behaviors are legislated as part of the greater good? Is it 'fair' that any money be spent on a disease like CH when it only affects a tiny percentage of people? The greater good will be served by letting that tiny population suffer while we spend that money on something that helps *everybody*. How long before doctor's pay is limited by Obama? Nah, he'd never do anything like that. How long before cost-benefit analysis shows that medical care for seniors isn't 'fair' to the rest of us? Oh, I' m sure none of that would ever happen. |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Charlie on Jun 15th, 2009 at 7:11pm
So far so good.
This sounds a lot like the Clinton health care plan that was so complicated that it never got to the floor. Charlie |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Batch on Jun 15th, 2009 at 8:10pm
Charlie,
For your sake, mine, and anyone else on Medicare or Medicaid, I pray this most recent attempt at a single payer National Health Care plan meets the same fate as HillaryCare going down in defeat. If the more than $1.2 Trillion dollar price tag isn't enough to gag a maggot, the over $313 Billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid coverage to offset the expense of the present National Health Care legislation will be very painful. If that's not bad enough, if they pass the carbon tax to pay for universal health care and other socialist agenda programs thanks to the Cap in Trade legislation, that will increase your energy bill by well over the increase in co-pay required by the cuts in Medicare and Medicaid... But... It's not all bad news... If universal health care is passed, well over 10 million undocumented and illegal aliens (read non-US citizens residing here in the United States) will still be eligible for free health care under this legislation... Take care, V/R, Batch |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by deltadarlin on Jun 16th, 2009 at 8:17am
"But... It's not all bad news... If universal health care is passed, well over 10 million undocumented and illegal aliens (read non-US citizens residing here in the United States) will still be eligible for free health care under this legislation..."
They're aleady getting free health care. It's called the emergency room. That's why so many hospitals are going broke. |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Batch on Jun 16th, 2009 at 1:57pm
Spot On Deltadarlin!!!
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Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Kevin_M on Jun 16th, 2009 at 5:10pm
Something else to look at changing.
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Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Agostino Leyre on Jun 16th, 2009 at 5:17pm BarbaraD wrote on Jun 13th, 2009 at 7:01am:
Do you really think that they don't know what they've done? This is all part of the master plan. Believe it. I have to be careful, I think I see a black helicopter circling my building........ |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Charlie on Jun 16th, 2009 at 6:50pm Quote:
While I'm not happy about illegals getting health care, they are not why hospitals are going broke. It's because they have as little power in getting a fair shake from insurance companies as we and they suffer greatly when entities like Hospital Corporation of America send in efficiency experts to trim budgets and literally starve nurses and staff of needed money to maintain services. The bottom line trumps the ability to provide the best care. It's why they charge $17 for an aspirin but it doesn't even register as a way to deal with them....of course, like me in the fall last year, people have a hard time paying their bills. Charlie |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Shawn on Jun 16th, 2009 at 9:24pm
Batch,
That was the best post I've read in a while. Thanks. -Shawn font size increased just for Batch :) |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Shawn on Jun 17th, 2009 at 12:43am
Charlie,
Does medicare cover Bush Derangement Syndrome? :P -Shawn |
Title: Re: More Signs of the Times… Post by Kevin_M on Jun 17th, 2009 at 3:34pm Shawn wrote on Jun 16th, 2009 at 9:24pm:
Sourced from the funded voice of special interest has its reservations. A senior fellow of this "leaning" .org think tank was invited to pen an editorial opinion column in the Detroit News here. Having the diversity of a global warming hotline employing the finest sceptics money can buy goes over well in the auto HQ. Unaware of the contagious risk of that syndrome, I hear he has a book. Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy. |
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