...could it be? Not yet, but maybe...

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It does happen in three's.

Now confirmed. Wow.

I'm sort of in shock here.  His music was a big part of my childhood.  

Wow here also.

Now reports of more breaking news - Jeff Goldblum has died while filming in New Zealand. No other details.

Wow again.

Brew wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 7:03pm:

Now reports of more breaking news - Jeff Goldblum has died while filming in New Zealand. No other details. Wow again.

NO freakin way!!  Seriously??

I'd have to call it a rumor at this point.

Did the whole world just forget that MJ was a child molester who bought his own freedom, repeatedly, by buying off the parents of the children he raped?

Seriously.  Don't get me wrong, I like some of his music, it's great.  But that doesn't buy him a pass.  He's a disgusting animal, good riddance.

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Actor - Jeff Goldblum Falls To His Death In New Zealand THIS STORY IS STILL DEVELOPING... Actor Jeff Goldblum died while filming a movie in New Zealand early this morning - June 25, 2009. Preliminary reports from New Zealand Police officials indicate that the actor fell more than 60 feet to his death on the Kauri Cliffs while on-set. Specific details are not yet available. The accident occured at aproximatly 4:30 a.m. (UTC/GMT +12). Additional details and information will be forthcoming.

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No other info I can find.

After some further research, I'm going to say the Jeff Goldblum thing is a fake. The same story was posted about Screech from Saved by the Bell two years ago:

"Actor Dustin Diamond died while filming a movie in New Zealand early this morning - May 23, 2007. Preliminary reports from New Zealand Police officials indicate that the actor fell more than 60 feet to his death on the Kauri Cliffs while on-set. Specific details are not yet available."

Irresponsible on my part before confirming. Sorry.

Shawn wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 7:22pm:

Did the whole world just forget that MJ was a child molester who bought his own freedom, repeatedly, by buying off the parents of the children he raped? Seriously.  Don't get me wrong, I like some of his music, it's great.  But that doesn't buy him a pass.  He's a disgusting animal, good riddance.

And he was one of God's children, just like me. A flawed mortal, just like me.

Whatever he did, he will be facing that sooner rather then later.  

And if he did hurt anybody, he can't do it anymore.

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No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

Brew wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 7:50pm:

And if he did hurt anybody, he can't do it anymore.

\Very true Brew.

It makes me sad that a lot of people will grieve.  Grief sucks.

I will not mourn his passing.

Did you mourn the execution of Saddam Hussain?  Is it because he never made you dance?  Think about it.  There was a time that MJ dazzled the entire world.  We *all* loved him.  Then he lost his mind, lost his way, lost his humanity, and committed unspeakable crimes against children.  He used his fame and money to buy/keep his freedom.

God's children and all that, well sometimes you have to draw a line, and MJ crossed it big time in my humble opinion.  No returning from that side.  I celebrate his passing because now he'll get what he deserves and he won't be able to hurt any more children.

Harsh, I know, but deserved.

We'rein Chicago... two days left on vacation...
Was just at Giordanos Pizza (best in the world) when I saw it on the widescreen. I'm shocked!
Then, I just found out about Farrah. While very sad, we all knew she was on her last days... but Michael?

As far as the 'child molester' - only god knows whether it was true or not. He was a VERY vulnerable man, and since he was robbed of his childhood, he was trying to relive it, or get it back. So, it may be true, maybe not. I personally thought that he was overly generous, and was taken advantage of himself. Why would MaCauly Culkin defend him so strongly when accused?

Regardless, he WAS the king of pop, this will probably be bigger than the death of Elvis, given the multimedia of this day and age... it will  be saturated with his passing - and what is even sadder is, this will overshadow the death of Farrah Fawcett.  I remember having the classic Farrah bikini poster as a kid on my wall, and she WAS Charlie's Angels. That show died when Cheryl Ladd took her place.

I am very sad today.   :'(


Right now they are reporting that, like Elvis, apparently Michael was taking large amounts of prescription drugs that his family was concerned about him. Though it was cardiac arrest, that could be caused by abusing of prescripts.

However, Jeff Goldblum... that appears to be a rumour. With the advent of technology, these rumours spread like wildfires.

Carl D

When I think of Michael Jackson I think of what could have been.  What a sad ending to someone who could have had it all. He couldn't handle the pressure of being famous and became a recluse like Howard Hughes.

Many times the disturbed adult is a product of a disturbed childhood. I don't know what demons he fought but it is over for him now.

There are very few modern musicians that appeal to me.  This guy was talented. Michael Jackson he reminds me of a latter Sammy Davis J....incredibly talented with a log of personal crap to deal with.

Charlie

Jimi wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 8:39pm:

When I think of Michael Jackson I think of what could have been.  What a sad ending to someone who could have had it all. He couldn't handle the pressure of being famous and became a recluse like Howard Hughes. Many times the disturbed adult is a product of a disturbed childhood. I don't know what demons he fought but it is over for him now.

Jimi, really agree with this, and also with what Brew said.  

Michael Jackson changed the face of music, dance and things related with his talent and musical genius; there's no denying that.  Sadly, whatever plagued his life, it's over, and I'm no judge or jury, there's only one real one to me.

Huge losses in the world of entertainment this week, sad.

Pepp  8-)

Shawn wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 8:02pm:

We *all* loved him.  Then he lost his mind, lost his way, lost his humanity, and committed unspeakable crimes against children.  He used his fame and money to buy/keep his freedom.

I think you said it very well Shawn.  Very well indeed.

Naturally I don't know what the truth about Michael Jackson is, but he still made few of my all time favourite songs. I don't call myself as a MJ fan, but the news about his death was still bit of shock. A cousin of mine is mourning; she is a huge MJ fan.

Sanna

and David Carradine makes 3.

As for MJ..His childhood didn't exist. I was living in Los Angeles, attending Fairfax High School, when the Jacksons emerged on stage. They(Michael was too you at the time)Jackie, Jermaine, Tito, drummer/cousin Johnnie, all attended my school. I was pretty close to Jackie and Johnnie and we talked a lot back then .It was profound, IMO, that I did not really think of them as "stars", more, I, and many of my peers pitied them, coz they were NEVER allowed any extracurricular activities, because they had careers to make for themselves.  The state required them to attend school, and tutors costr money, while public scool didn't.It ws clear that Dad had set them on a course, and heaven help the boy who decided to stray.
Michael was a musical genius........but, as many geniuses, he was horribly flawed in other aspects of his life.  The music remains, the children are safe, and thank GOd, we don't have to make a judgement about the man.
I always wanted to see Neverland .........

cathi

Reports this morning that an overdose of demerol caused the death ... he had musical talent, but was a twisted, tortured soul.

Only in America, could a poor black boy grow up to be a rich white woman!

On June 13, 2005, the jury found Jackson not guilty on all charges.  This was the second case.  

With the first case, even though he was charged, the family was rather eager to sue and get a monetary settlement (22 million).  Not only that, Jordan Chandler's admission that he was molested by Jackson was given while he was under the influence of sodium pentathol.  If what he had done was so egregious, why didn't the boy's father have him charged initially?  Instead, he tried to get a monetary settlement.  After the case was settled, the boy and his father refused to initiate criminal charges.

Now, I don't know about you, but if it were my child, criminal charges would have been first and then I would have sued for damages after Michael was convicted (remember, it's much harder to prove a criminal case than is is a civil case).


So, before we become judge and jury (don't need an executioner now). maybe we ought to consider that he didn't do it?

The best I can say is that I seriously don't know if he did any of that or not. And I'm not going to spend any energy trying to find out, because it really doesn't matter to me. I know it matters to the parties involved, and I hope they've all achieved closure, but it doesn't affect me one iota, nor am I going to let it.

I think we've all got bigger fish to fry.

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Or take a look at the pictures from Neverland Ranch... that guy is guilty as hell.

In this country, money really can buy your freedom.  Remember OJ?  An acquittal does not mean innocence.

Look, I know everybody loved MJ, even I love his early music and I still do.  Guess what? The parts of MJ that I love are still here with us.  The child molester died.  Like I said before, good riddance.

-Shawn

Well, with David Carradine, Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett and now Michael Jackson, that's four within just a few days.  What a sad time losing these four very talented people.

I was not much of a Carradine fan - not into Kung Fu stuff, although he was a great actor, and I did enjoy some of his movies.

I loved Ed, watched Carson for years and Ed was the epitome of the perfect sidekick, not to mention Publisher's Clearing House.  

When Charlie's Angels came out, I honestly thought, as a woman, I should not enjoy the program because it denigrated women.  BAH!  I thoroughly loved it.  Farrah was only on for that first season and left for bigger and better things.  Cheryl Ladd took her place, and the show was never the same.  Farrah went on to prove her worth as a serious actress.  The Burning Bed proved this woman could act.

And now, there Michael.  When the Jackson 5 started hitting the charts, I loved their music.  I had a hard time deciding between the Jacksons or the Osmonds, but Michael made the Jacksons the winners.  When he went on his own, he was phenomenal and I thoroughly enjoyed his music and especially his dancing.  Then, he started getting a little weird, and his music didn't appeal to me that much any longer (maybe I grew up while Michael was still Peter Pan).  But, he is the one that revolutionized the music/video industry and broke barriers for black entertainers.  His talent was awesome and his music will live for generations.  

As to his personal life, that's between his God and him - not me.

His talent will be missed.

Sandy

A good political cartoon had Ed McMahon at the gate and St. Peter saying" "HiYooo."

Charlie

deltadarlin wrote on Jun 26^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

On June 13, 2005, the jury found Jackson not guilty on all charges.  This was the second case.   With the first case, even though he was charged, the family was rather eager to sue and get a monetary settlement (22 million).  Not only that, Jordan Chandler's admission that he was molested by Jackson was given while he was under the influence of sodium pentathol.  If what he had done was so egregious, why didn't the boy's father have him charged initially?  Instead, he tried to get a monetary settlement.  After the case was settled, the boy and his father refused to initiate criminal charges. Now, I don't know about you, but if it were my child, criminal charges would have been first and then I would have sued for damages after Michael was convicted (remember, it's much harder to prove a criminal case than is is a civil case). So, before we become judge and jury (don't need an executioner now). maybe we ought to consider that he didn't do it?

THANK YOU!!!!

I personally think that Michael was becoming more child-like as he grew older, since he was ROBBED of his childhood. He'd get tutored, work in the studio all day until bedtime, and occasionally got to look out and watch other kids play. He never had that.

Like I said before, he put himself in a very vulnerable position with his generosity - and we ALL know there are people who are just looking for deep pockets they can dig in, and who better than the king of pop?

The man did great things: "We Are The World" for African famine relief, making dying children's wishes come true (including one kid who was 'dying' but that turned out to BS! ) and giving money to helpful causes. I find it hard to believe that someone witha heart like that would hurt anyone, ESPECIALLY a child!

How would anyone here feel if they were wrongfully accused, but 'evidence' had been fabricated? THAT drove him into seclusion. THAT caused a deeper pain that no painkiller could take away.

Was he guilty? Everyone has their minds made up one way or another what they will believe.
I choose to focus on how he revolutionized pop music, R&B, and broke the color barrier on MTV - and was a phenomenal performer; that is what I will carry with me in my life.


NOW - one thing that we SHOULD be discussing is how he died. It has been said that if Anna NicoleSmith was enabled with her addictions, it pales in comparision to the enabling of Michael's painkiller & prescription drug addiction. There are many on this board who deal with pain issues outside of CH and rely on opiods, whether vicodin, percocet or morphine on a daily basis.
In fact, I am sad to say, I am one of them.  :-[
Due to back problems, leg and hip problems, I am on morphine and percocet daily. I miss a dose, and my body & bones HURT! I am in physical therapy and have been since march, and chose months ago to be weaned off of them. I'm facing a hard road, as the taper-down has begun. But just with what I have learned in the past 24 hours, I am scared to take my meds, but I also cannot handle the jolts that shoot down my back and leg. I've justified it for a long time that I am not an abuser, but reliant on the meds, since I DO take them as prescribed. That doesn't change the fact that being reliant also means being an addict.

If anything, we should celebrate Michael's talents and the great music he left us, and we should learn of the dangers of painkiller addiction.
This just makes me more determined to get off of them altogether. I would like to see 50.
No one needs to 'fess up here on the board if they realize they are reliant / dependent / addicted to pain meds... but you DO need to take a hard look at yourself, and most of all, be HONEST with yourself.

This is probably the hardest post I have ever made on this site. I almost held back. But this is a real dilemma with many people who suffer various pain conditions, and if it will help anyone else...    :'(

Peace, Love & Hope,
Carl D

Carl - I'll bet two weeks in a car did you a world of good. Not. ;)

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With the first case, even though he was charged, the family was rather eager to sue and get a monetary settlement (22 million).

And now maybe their kids can get their first good nights sleep since the ordeal began. Maybe feeling a little safer since Jacko is gone.

Carl...I hope you are weaning off them under a doctors care. If not....go real slow. Good luck to you bro.