New CH.com Forum - Print Page

Good people of Clusterville,

It’s been a terrible week and a long night with the loss of three icons near and dear to so many of us in rapid succession. Their passing in the same week hits the emotions like a train wreck…

It’s understandable to reflect on times gone by when Ed McMahon heralded in the Tonight Show each weekday night singing out – Heeeeeerrrrrrrs Johnny!!!! He played the consummate straight man to so many memorable skits that kept us laughing to well past midnight… and trying to remember all the great jokes the next morning at work.

Then there was Farah Faucet who took the lead in Charlie’s Angels and burst into everyone’s thoughts with stunning beauty, incredible grace, and captivating smile… And… if we guys could close our mouths and stop drooling long enough… we realized she really could act.

And then there’s the one and only, the King of Pop… Michal Jackson… He rocked with us through so many nights and so many days… He captured our attention in a flash singing songs that froze us in place and that still remind us where we were when each song hit the airwaves on radio… And then he blew us away, thrilling us with his dancing and singing on videos… and doing the unbelievable moon-walk backwards across the stage…

There’s a time to morn… a time to reflect,… a time to realize that none of us get out of this thing called life alive… and a time to move on because we’re still here and life goes on...

Doing so today is particularly important if you reside here in the United States. The reason why follows…

I realize CH.com is a forum where we meet to exchange information on our cluster headaches and that many of you see no room for political discussions. Having said that, members of the House of Representatives are going to vote on a piece of legislation today called H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 This is a piece of legislation will easily become the topic of many posts if passed into law as it will represent the single largest tax increase in history of the United States... And it will affect all of us not just the rich and the evil corporations.

It’s also too much like the stimulus bill that Congress passed without reading. The House leadership even sent out a 300 page amendment early this morning to appease the party faithful with weak knees…

Even one of the bill’s sponsors, Representative Waxman admitted on TV that he had not read the bill and that it was written by climate change “experts.” One of the most shocking admissions is none of the bill’s supporters know what it’s really going to cost us… Yet they’re trying to push it through the legislative docket faster than the stimulus bill… You can download a pdf copy from the following link like I did:

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

END PRINTPAGE

Make no mistake… this is a bill designed to produce revenue by taxing you and nearly every thing you do one way or another. The government will use this bill as public law to tax every activity that consumes fossil fuel. In short it’s a carbon tax.

If the Democrats in the House of Representatives want this Energy Bill so bad, and so fast, my thinking was it’s got to be terrible… so I stopped reading reviews and comments by others and began reading the copy I downloaded.

I’ve been reading it since yesterday and the words “frightening” and “terrible” are a gross understatement… Just say “NO!” is my overall reaction. You may see it differently and think it’s a good bill… That’s your right.

If you want to see comments and estimates of the impact this legislation will have on our lives, the things we do and much of what we buy, please take the time to go to the following links or look up links on your own:

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

END PRINTPAGE

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

END PRINTPAGE

Once you’ve done this, and if you see this legislation as a threat our economy, our freedoms, and the way we live as I do, make the time to call your Congressman’s office this and tell him or her you OPPOSE The American Clean Energy And Security Act,, H.R. 2454, a.k.a. “Cap in Trade” and “the Waxman-Markey Bill.”

You can contact your Representative to the 111th Congress through the following link. Send an email or a fax and take the time to call:

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

END PRINTPAGE

Calling the local office in your district rather than the Washington DC number will save time and money. The DC operator is overloaded. If you want to add emphasis to your call, politely tell the assistant to inform you Representative to seek employment elsewhere come election time if he or she votes in favor of this carbon tax.

Thanks and take care,

V/R, Batch

I'm skeptical about this bill myself. Wishful thinking perhaps.

Charlie

Hey Batch,

Already did.

Called my reps and senators at their local offices, e-mailed them, wrote them and called the DC numbers to ask them not to vote for this bill.

Everybody - READ THIS BILL! I read that they might have voted on this today, so you may be too late. I hope not.

Sandy

Sorry for a second post.

This topic is buried in a post regarding the icons we've lost this week.

Maybe it needs it's own thread, if not too late.

Sandy

Sandy_C wrote on Jun 26^th, 2009 at 5:07pm:

Everybody - READ THIS BILL! I read that they might have voted on this today, so you may be too late. I hope not.

John Boehner is currently reading the entire 310-page amendment to this on the House floor. They're gonna be there at least until midnight.

And right now, the tally is 210-210, with 14 "undecided."

I guess Boehner decided to skip a few parts.

211 democrats and 9 republicans voted for it.

The nine republicans were:

Bono, Mack, Castle, Kirk, Lance, LoBiondo, McHugh, Reichert, and Smith (NJ).

The idiots rule... The carbon tax passed... The vote was extremely close – 219-212, with eight Republicans voting yes and 44 Democrats voting no. And the debate leading up to it was intense. (But way to frapping short!!!)

The idiot leadership in the House was so confident (messed their depends) that they had to put out a 300 page amendment to this bill very early this morning in order to steady support from week-kneed supporters.

H.R. 2454 1092 pages, H.R. 2454 with Amemdment 1221 pages... And no one read it all... let alone understand the complexity of this rat's nest... That would have been impossible in the time alloted...

Folks this is criminal and a direct violation of the Oath of Office these idiots took to take their seats in the 111th Congress a.k.a. "The Chernobyl Congress" that tried to destroy the United States, it's world leading industries, it's people, all to turn them into a 3rd world country...

Please see some of the comments at the following link or find your own...

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

END PRINTPAGE

The Senate has yet to vote so the fat lady hasn't left the building...

Start calling your Senators now and tell them what you think... and if they don't vote NO... Advise them to seek employment elsewhere come election time... if not sooner.

Take care... And BOHICA if we don't put a stop to this loonacy...

V/R, Batch

You're right, Batch. It was 8. Bono-Mack is one person.

Remember, the system has to be crashed before it can be rebooted with a new operating system.

Quote:

This topic is buried in a post regarding the icons we've lost this week.

Maybe it needs it's own thread, if not too late.

Hmmm....Glad I'm not the only one who didn't see any logical connection with celebrities who have died in the last week and.....

congress
bills that have passed
idiots in the house of representatives
carbon tax
The American clean energy act.

HUH???? ::)

I heard that the powers that be are rather pleased as the vote for it was supposed to be only one or two votes apart.

As for not reading bills. Notning new there. It's been that way on both sides ever since I can remember. They count on summaries....not a good idea but they do. You have to wonder what the tradeoff is. To be sure there's something afoot. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

END PRINTPAGE

Charlie

Michael Jackson was a supporter of cap and trade legislation.

Quote:

Surfing the net, we unearthed a 2007 interview in which Michael Jackson pointed out that he’s been green all along. He expresses great concern about the global warming crisis and says he saw it coming. To Jackson’s credit, he cites songs he penned such as “Earth Song,” “Heal the World,” and that mega-hit from the King of Pop Super-Duper groups, “We Are the World” (although we could’ve sworn that one was about Africa.)

Of those songs, Jackson said, "I wish they would have gotten people's interest sooner. But it's never too late.” He continued, "It's been described as a runaway train; if we don't stop it, we'll never get it [the world] back. So we have to fix it, now. That's what I was trying to do…writing those songs to open up people's consciousness. I wish people would listen to every word."

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

END PRINTPAGE

Ed McMahon was reportedly concerned that the law would have nationalized the Publisher's Clearinghouse and he would be stopped from giving everyone a million dollars. Farah Fawcett said she would get back with us after she talked to someone code-named 'Charlie.' As Charlie said above, he is somewhat ambivalent about the proposal.

Cool tally.

science 1
carnival barkers 0

I hear you Monty and Kevin... There are striking similarities between the social-progressive liberal leaders in the 111th Politburo and Jacko. Both are addicted and both spend more than they make (for Congress... They spend more than WE make).

The idiots in Congress are addicted to power so they can relieve you of your freedoms and your money to push their liberal agenda, and for MJ it was opiates. Both are very addictive... For MJ it's too late... However, the idiots in the 111th Politburo are in need of detox... And you have the power to vote them into detox...

Here are the GOP Turncoats. If they represent your district, you have the opportunity to vote them out of office and into detox:

Bono Mack
Castle
Kirk
Lance
LoBiondo
McHugh
Reichert
Smith (NJ)

If you would like to contact them to express your displeasure, here’s how…

Here is the breakdown of who voted, and how…

Bono Mack (CA) 202-225-5330
Castle (DE) 202-225-4165
Kirk (IL) 202-225-4835
Lance (NJ) 202-225-5361
Lobiondo (NJ) 202-225-6572
McHugh (NY) 202-225-4611
Reichart (WA) 202-225-7761
Chris Smith (NJ) 202-225-3765

You can find the full roll call vote for H.R. 2454 at the following link:

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

END PRINTPAGE

Advise the idiots that really don't care about you and your family or our great Nation to seek employment elsewhere come election time

Take care,

V/R, Batch

I confess that the big part of my ambivalence toward the bill is money. The are supposed to build one of these bizarre "carbon capture' power plants here in Jamestown. The mayor has a real hardon for it. Everybody knows that it would significantly raise our electric rates. Jamestown has about the cheapest power around. My bills average between 25 and 30 dollars thanks to Niagara Falls and our own system that we use very little most of the time.

Finding places underground to pump CO2 seems a bit strange too.

Charlie

Charlie,

I share your concerns... So far I've not seen the cost estimates of compressing and cooling the CO2 in order to pump it underground... My guess is the cost per kiloton is going to be prohibitive... I hope you like carbonated water... i.e. Mit Gas...

Once the CO2 gets into the aquifer, you'll have all the Schweppe's you need and then some...

When you think about it, the whole idea of trading carbon credits for something you pump underground and forget just so the government can tax the transaction proceeds, is kind of like fooling around with frozen flatulence... One slip up so it thaws out and we've got a smelly mess. This has got to be one of the biggest and most idiotic Ponzi schemes yet... And all because Al Gore has an inconvenient thought... YGBSM>

Take care... And BOHICA... You ain't seen nothing yet...

V/R, Batch

There's supposed to be one of these things in Norway, I think. No doubt that it's Svenn's fault.. 8-)

Charlie

Batch wrote on Jun 27^th, 2009 at 8:58am:

For MJ it's too late... However, the idiots in the 111th Politburo are in need of detox... And you have the power to vote them into detox...

I say we put the atmosphere into detox ... start weaning ourselves off our addiction to foreign oil and dirty coal and lower emissions of mercury, cadmium and carbon dioxide. One way to do that is to roll some of the external costs of dirty fuels into the price ... when an industry or utility becomes more efficient, they create credits that they can trade for a profit. Win-Win.

Batch wrote on Jun 27^th, 2009 at 8:58am:

[size=18]I hear you Monty and Kevin... There are striking similarities between the social-progressive liberal leaders in the 111th Politburo and Jacko.

Connecting the two provides the enviable highlight missed from reading outside the thread's assisting links from the John Birch Society, friends at Heritage and such, handy-dandy if there's a circus in town or a job opening at Neverland.

Quote:

...you'll have all the Schweppe's you need

After Black's mephitic air discovery 1755, Priestly's Pyrmont Water didn't quite live up to the claim when taken on Cook's Resolution and Adventure 1772, but a taste developed, patented by Johannes in 1783. Life living close to fermenting beer has all kinds of possibilities. Even the backyard malt dad made during a life of young Sam Adams had its contributing potential. That damn rebel. ;)

Somehow though, there's been more learned about CO₂.

We all blame the power plants etc.. for CO2 emmissions lets not forget soda pop.

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

END PRINTPAGE
There are 2.5 grams of CO2 dissolved in each 16oz. bottle of soft drink. The average American drinks 43 gallons of soda pop a year. Therefore, every American releases over 400 grams of CO2 annually!

Multiply that by 250 million Americans and we are talking a Hurricane Katrina of CO2 being released by Americans every year by flatus and belched gas!

Al Gore has invented the carbon offset CO2 capture kit. Basically, each plastic bottle will come with a one way enema tip. When one empties one’s soda pop, he or she will immediately place the tip on the empty container. When one feels the need to belch one simply expels this burst of CO2 safely into the bottle by mouth through the tip. Then later, as the harmful gas is to be passed in private as flatus, one inserts the tip in one’s rectum and catches the remainder of the CO2, then tosses the bottle—with tip intact--in the garbage where it will be safely taken to a landfill and buried.

For each CO2 capture bottle used in this manner, one earns one carbon credit good for using up to twenty times the electricity used by the average American.

This might seem to be messy and a little inconvenient; but, is it too much to do to save a polar bear from drowning?
(I know, :-X)

More CO2 capture potential to create thought.

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

END PRINTPAGE

Thought I would add this link as the bill really is a tax on much more than the carbom emmissions generated by power generators and your home heating systems.
Its a tax on soda pop, dry ice, cleaners, steel, wine and beer, refrigerated foods et al, cryogenics, ripening of bananas and other fruits, and just about anything eaten, made and consumed today.

An alternate solution to sequestering underground and money maker would be to capitalize on the trade aspect of the bill by injecting CO2 into large greenhouses for plant growth, (vegetables, fruits, flowers) with a significant increase in yields, then harvest the oxygen generated by the plants. Hmmmmm.

While we are attemting to curb carbon emmissions we are now ramping up to use more CO2 as an alternate refrigerant gas in grocery stores, wharehouses and the buildings we work and live in. An average fast food place may use upwards of 200 lbs of liquified co2 per day in your drinks, over a years time with just one large chain, that quite possibly could equal the carbon outputs of many small power plants

One might think this bill is better thought out as an income generator than its portrayed

I have credits to sell any takers.

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

END PRINTPAGE

New CH.com Forum
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Daily Chat >> General Posts >> Fallen Icons and Time for Action http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1246048269 Message started by Batch on Jun 26^th, 2009 at 4:31pm