For someone who:

1) Has taken 20+ seeds before bed in the past and felt no altered consciousness effect

2) Isn't afraid of higher doses

3) Wants to knock out a cluster episode in the first week

...What do you folks with RC experience think would be a good maximium before bed dose?

I have dosed with up to 45 seeds with no ill effects.

Beth  (three months pf)

Well, bejeeber, everyone is different in finding a dose level that does the job for them.

My personal experience is that when out of cycle (I'm episodic), I take a maintenance dose of about 12 seeds every month to two months.  At the first inkling that a cycle is trying to begin, I dose with 35 seeds, usually in the evening before bed.  I have no "high" whatsoever, just sleep like a baby.  I wait five days.  Even if, during that wait period I still have those inklings, or shadows, or even hits, I drink Red Bull, tons of water, and use O2 if needed, but - I WAIT those five days, then take another dose of 35 seeds.  I have completely aborted two cycles with this method within 10 days.

Outside of a couple of rogue hits in the 5-6 range, easily aborted with my O2, I have been completely pain free for over three years!

As said, each person is different.  For me, I think the key is the maintenance doses out of cycle, and the wait period of five days between bigger doses. 

Hope this helps.

Sandy

Good, helpful info there - thanks Sandy'n Beth!  :)

Additional question: If you had dosed 4 days earlier with RC, the potency of which was revealed to be very suspect due to the seeds sitting around for a few years and enduring various climates, would you still wait an extra day to make it 5 days before dosing again with fresh RC?

Yes, because potency is not the issue, but the amount of time in which it takes for the receptors to reopen.  Read the Buster site again regarding that "closed door" effect.

The closed door effect in my opinion is what keeps CH away for me.
Dont let the door open and you can bust a cycle.
Close it with a medium or affective dose.
Keep it closed instead of waiting for it to open with decreasing to very small doses. For me I can keep CH gone and break cycles if I use very small amounts as much as twice daily or when the twinges of CH occur that signals the receptors or door is starting to open., yet feel absolutely no other effects.
A gentle pressure on the doors keep them closed and in 5 to seven days for a severe case CH can be gone but you must pay attention to you and adjust when needed.

Once the cycle is busted then definately wait before doing maintenance medications based on your symptoms.

Most if not everyone will disagree but the waiting 5 days may be important only if you want to feel the potential high and side effects of the CB methods.

MJ wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2009 at 2:38pm:

.......................... Most if not everyone will disagree but the waiting 5 days may be important only if you want to feel the potential high and side effects of the CB methods.

You've said this before and I have read of at least one other person with the same results. I'll give it a shot.

Yes, it goes against "conventional" wisdom, but you be on to something. Hard to argue with success  :)

I will call you down on one thing: The Busters that I know, are not advocating the waiting period in order feel the effects. But then, you probably know people that I don't.

Marc

I don't wait the five days because I want to feel a high. 

Even with 35 seed doses, I feel nothing but sleepy, so I go to bed.  No high, no fun, no games.  Just bed.

I wait because of the open/closed door.

Sandy

How do you use these seeds, make a tea? :-?
i'm lost :(

I dosed on 80 seeds the third month (last year) I took them.
All I got was a bad belly ache, felt a very slight body buzz and that's it.  No seeing trails or characteristics of shrooms or LSD.  It's actually nice because I don't care for those affects as I get older.  In college, we did that stuff for fun.  Now, it's for my health.  I realized that 80 was a bit much so now I take 25 seeds on a monthly maintenance schedule. 

As far as preparing.  I crush them in a mortar and pestle and soak them in 2 oz. of water for 2 hours and them consume and gag, LOL!!!  They're horrible getting down, but it's all worth it to be beat the beast!

Lawrence wrote on Aug 28^th, 2009 at 11:34am:

How do you use these seeds, make a tea? :-? i'm lost :(

Read my previous post, but more importantly ready how to prepare on clusterbusters. 

Chad wrote on Aug 31^st, 2009 at 2:40pm:

Lawrence wrote on Aug 28th, 2009 at 11:34am: How do you use these seeds, make a tea? :-? i'm lost :( Read my previous post, but more importantly ready how to prepare on clusterbusters.

thanks Chad