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Message started by KingOfPain on Aug 23rd, 2009 at 5:17pm

Title: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by KingOfPain on Aug 23rd, 2009 at 5:17pm
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Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER (AP) – 38 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Millions of older people face shrinking Social Security checks next year, the first time in a generation that payments would not rise.

The trustees who oversee Social Security are projecting there won't be a cost of living adjustment (COLA) for the next two years. That hasn't happened since automatic increases were adopted in 1975.

By law, Social Security benefits cannot go down. Nevertheless, monthly payments would drop for millions of people in the Medicare prescription drug program because the premiums, which often are deducted from Social Security payments, are scheduled to go up slightly.

"I will promise you, they count on that COLA," said Barbara Kennelly, a former Democratic congresswoman from Connecticut who now heads the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare. "To some people, it might not be a big deal. But to seniors, especially with their health care costs, it is a big deal."

Cost of living adjustments are pegged to inflation, which has been negative this year, largely because energy prices are below 2008 levels.

Advocates say older people still face higher prices because they spend a disproportionate amount of their income on health care, where costs rise faster than inflation. Many also have suffered from declining home values and shrinking stock portfolios just as they are relying on those assets for income.

"For many elderly, they don't feel that inflation is low because their expenses are still going up," said David Certner, legislative policy director for AARP. "Anyone who has savings and investments has seen some serious losses."

Social Security is also facing long-term financial problems. The retirement program is projected to start paying out more money than it receives in 2016. Without changes, the retirement fund will be depleted in 2037, according to the Social Security trustees' annual report this year.

President Barack Obama has said he would like to tackle Social Security next year, after Congress finishes work on health care, climate change and new financial regulations.

Lawmakers are preoccupied by health care, making it difficult to address other tough issues. Advocates for older people hope their efforts will get a boost in October, when the Social Security Administration officially announces that there will not be an increase in benefits next year.

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by JeffB on Aug 23rd, 2009 at 8:35pm
Social Security just had an increase in the last year or so and it was known then that there wouldn't be another for 3 years.


Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Kilroy 2.0 on Aug 24th, 2009 at 12:06am

JeffB wrote on Aug 23rd, 2009 at 8:35pm:
Social Security just had an increase in the last year or so and it was known then that there wouldn't be another for 3 years.


Last year when it was know we did not know we would have to watch millions given to banks and car makers...
We want to find money for the government to run health care (Have To according to the Obama)...

But Don't give any more to Social Security! :P

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Charlie on Aug 24th, 2009 at 12:23am

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Social Security just had an increase in the last year or so and it was known then that there wouldn't be another for 3 years.


It's not a mystery to us geezers. Jeff's right.

Charlie

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by KingOfPain on Aug 24th, 2009 at 2:32am
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While the payments are not legally able to be decreased, and so no actual change will be seen in the amount, the high cost of health care, especially for seniors, is expected to wipe out a great deal of each payment, making it harder for seniors to live on their meager wages.

“For many elderly, they don’t feel that inflation is low because their expenses are still going up. Anyone who has savings and investments has seen some serious losses,” AARP official, David Certner, was quoted by Taragana.

The major problem is drug premiums, which have no legal limitation of premium increases. While other medical costs have a cap stating no increase can be greater than what is increased in the payment itself, drug premiums can, and will, rise drastically.

This poses a serious problem for millions of seniors and veterans who are on Medicaid, who have premiums immediately deducted from their Social Security checks.

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Artonio on Aug 24th, 2009 at 3:10am
most of the folks depending on this already have plenty of practice being poor... I've known for a while now that there will not be an increase for the next 3 years or so...

more beans boss?

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by [joHnny]w_ an_h on Aug 24th, 2009 at 3:27am

KingOfPain wrote on Aug 24th, 2009 at 2:32am:
The major problem is drug premiums, which have no legal limitation of premium increases. While other medical costs have a cap stating no increase can be greater than what is increased in the payment itself, drug premiums can, and will, rise drastically.

This poses a serious problem for millions of seniors and veterans who are on Medicaid, who have premiums immediately deducted from their Social Security checks.[/size]


yep. drug companies are bastards

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by JeffB on Aug 25th, 2009 at 1:17pm
It's a messed up situation for sure. While a lot of other countries have negotiated lower prices for the most common meds, we have still pay higher prices and premiums. It's the price we pay for the innovations and trials these drug companies do for us. It takes millions upon millions to come up with a new drug and for better or worse, we pay for it. Biomeds are even more expensive to create and those costs for drug makers can reach billions.

IMO, we don't need a public option for affordable healthcare, we need to get on these insurance companies and regulate the ever loving sh_t out of them. I for one DO NOT want the government having anything to do with my Daibetes, Clusters, or even a hang nail. I was with Kaiser Permanente for years and if there is a model for an HMO, I think these guys are it.

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Melissa on Aug 25th, 2009 at 3:16pm
SS amounts are extremely sad. :'(

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Sandy_C on Aug 25th, 2009 at 3:46pm
OK, here's my question, and this is not just for general discussion.

I'm 63 years old.  My "retirement age"  to get full SS benefits is 66 years.  My employer is shutting down by the end of this year.


I've checked, and if I apply for SS at 63 to 64, I will take a loss of almost $800 per month.

But!  Here's the question....if I wait until full retirement age of 66, will there still be SS, or will it have gone into history?  Should I go now and take what I can get, or wait with the possibility of getting nothing?

Sandy

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Charlie on Aug 25th, 2009 at 5:01pm
In my town, we have a local SS geek from a Lutheran Social Serivces office. She writes a column on Medicare and also answers questions.  She helped when I got down to disabiltiy and extra Medicare drug coverage. You must have someone in your area that will help. Look around now, not later.

Charlie

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Charlie on Aug 25th, 2009 at 5:17pm

JeffB wrote on Aug 25th, 2009 at 1:17pm:
It's the price we pay for the innovations and trials these drug companies do for us. It takes millions upon millions to come up with a new drug and for better or worse, we pay for it. Biomeds are even more expensive to create and those costs for drug makers can reach billions.


And about 60% of the research is done overseas. Drug companies lie about this all the time.

They like to "research" drugs that sell, not nearly as much drugs that work. As a result, a lot of the crap they come up with are drugs searching for diseases.  They usually come up with something obscure like erectile dysfunction or arcane stuff like "restless leg syndrome." Thank God we now know of the latter.  ::)

Charlie

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Ginger S. on Aug 25th, 2009 at 5:26pm
This worries me...I am 40 something...have a few years left before retirement age, but in the mean time I am paying into SS because the GOV says it's law and I may never see any of the money I have paid into it.  It's like saying, "hey there's nothing better I could be using this money on, here have some"... [smiley=eek.gif]  Like I'd every really say that to being with!!!

Lets see I have ... medical expenses, a house that needs fixing up, would like to help out more with my sons college education, need to fix the fence out back, I could go on here...but you get the idea.

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by JeffB on Aug 25th, 2009 at 7:47pm

Charlie wrote on Aug 25th, 2009 at 5:17pm:

JeffB wrote on Aug 25th, 2009 at 1:17pm:
It's the price we pay for the innovations and trials these drug companies do for us. It takes millions upon millions to come up with a new drug and for better or worse, we pay for it. Biomeds are even more expensive to create and those costs for drug makers can reach billions.


And about 60% of the research is done overseas. Drug companies lie about this all the time.

They like to "research" drugs that sell, not nearly as much drugs that work. As a result, a lot of the crap they come up with are drugs searching for diseases.  They usually come up with something obscure like erectile dysfunction or arcane stuff like "restless leg syndrome." Thank God we now know of the latter.  ::)

Charlie


I think you are pretty much right, Charlie. I have only had a brief glimpse at what happens at a couple of R and D companies. One was Genentec in Vacaville and another was "f__k you we're not paying our bill for services rendered in the same area. These guys are serious about what they do and from what little I've seen, they deserve some profits.
But on the same note, I don't think we should have to charter busses to cross into Canada or God forbid make ANYONE travel to Mexico for medications. Hell, I'm more screwed than a lot of other people my age because of what I need to take everyday and I just thank God the little blue pill isn't one of them.



Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Charlie on Aug 25th, 2009 at 11:39pm

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But on the same note, I don't think we should have to charter busses to cross into Canada or God forbid make ANYONE travel to Mexico for medications. Hell, I'm more screwed than a lot of other people my age because of what I need to take everyday and I just thank God the little blue pill isn't one of them.


You know, they should forget the politics of the thing or trying to scare us by saying that for some reason north of the border, drugs become deadly to Americans. There should be no restrictions nor should we be discouraged from seeking ways to afford to stay alive.

You're right. For God's sake be really conservative and leave us alone. Drug companies aren't going to go broke if a bunch of gray-hairs ride a bus to Ontario and pick up Lipator or somesuch, they'll do just fine.

Geeze.

Charlie

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Brew on Aug 25th, 2009 at 11:46pm
Or they'll start to become more competitive. What a novel concept.

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Charlie on Aug 26th, 2009 at 12:31am

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Or they'll start to become more competitive. What a novel concept.


The bottom line is the thing.

Charlie

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by JeffB on Aug 26th, 2009 at 7:20am
Roger that!

Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Brew on Aug 26th, 2009 at 11:27am

Charlie wrote on Aug 26th, 2009 at 12:31am:

Quote:
Or they'll start to become more competitive. What a novel concept.


The bottom line is the thing.

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Title: Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments
Post by Charlie on Aug 26th, 2009 at 4:10pm
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