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Message started by MrsCetrone on Sep 6th, 2009 at 7:58am

Title: Hi
Post by MrsCetrone on Sep 6th, 2009 at 7:58am
Was diagnosed with CH AFTER brain surgery for a non-malignant colloid cyst.  I remember I had a few CH before the surgery and they were the worst of my life.  I thought I was having a stroke a couple times.  It's always the right side of my head, usually right above my eye and back of head.

My symptoms included, droopy eye, blindness in eye on right side, lightheadedness, disorientation, severe sensitivity to bright light, nausea, severe pain in right eye, back and neck pain...etc.

My neurologist perscribed me barbitol for a long time, but it was habit forming, so I stopped taking it and now just use Advil instead.  It doesn't always work very well though.  I find lying down and trying to sleep is the best medication for me.

Haha...I'm Shannon, by the way. :) Nice to meet everyone.

Title: Re: Hi
Post by Bob_Johnson on Sep 6th, 2009 at 11:04am
Nothing will get better until you line up a good headache doc! Present treatment is a sure sign your neuro. is not trained/experienced in complex headache disorders (unless he has said that your surgery, etc. is a barrier to using more effective meds.)
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE On-line screen to find a physician.

5. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE Look for "Physician Finder" search box.  Call 1-800-643-5552; they will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.
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These are the kinds of treatments which an experienced doc will be using:

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Here is a link to read and print and take to your doctor.  It describes preventive, transitional, abortive and surgical treatments for CH. Written by one of the better headache docs in the U.S.  (2002)
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Michigan Headache & Neurological Institute for another list of treatments and other articles:

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This is a good introduction to Cluster and treatments:

 
Cluster headache.
From: START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE (Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases)
[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]

Title: Re: Hi
Post by thebbz on Sep 6th, 2009 at 11:18am
Houdy and welcome. Wish I could lie down when getting hit. I am usually too busy throwing tools around the shed in a frantic effort to get the 02 hooked up while I can still see and think.
all the best there Shannon and do take Bob's advice.
the bb

Title: Re: Hi
Post by Ginger S. on Sep 6th, 2009 at 4:06pm
Hi MrsCetrone and Welcome, sorry the beast had to tag along though.

WOW you can lay down during a CH hit???

There is no way in hell I can do that, the pain gets worse.

Title: Re: Hi
Post by Joni on Sep 6th, 2009 at 11:34pm
Hi

Listen to what the people here have to say and it will help you decide what's going on with your head.  Read the info Bob Johnson sent to you.  Since you have had the variable of brain cyst/surgery, I would especially read all you can here to determine if you think these cluster symptoms apply to you.  By what little you indicated about your doctor, I am not convinced he is familiar with cluster headaches.  I can only share with you my experiences and I can't imagine lying down with a cluster headache, and that I certainly wouldn't notice any bright lights or anything else going on outside of my personal space.  I do not get dizzy with clusters, nor do I vomit as a rule.  On one cycle of clusters, I did vomit due to the medication.  One other time, I vomited due to the shear amount of pain.  Let me say, again, these are my personal experiences for you to draw on and compare with others on this site in order for you to better assess your situation.

I am sorry you have been through so much!  I wish you luck and am here to chat!

Joan   :)

Title: Re: Hi
Post by MrsCetrone on Sep 7th, 2009 at 4:41pm
Interesting...maybe I have been misdiagnosed.  It's actually my neuro-surgeon I see for the constant headaches I get now.

I'll definitely follow up with the links listed and get a second opinion.  Thanks!

Title: Re: Hi
Post by Joni on Sep 7th, 2009 at 6:20pm
Mrs. Cetrone-

Just a reminder that I am not say you do or don't have clusters.  I am saying that I would explore it further.  Good luck to you!!!  Let us know!

Joni :)

Title: Re: Hi
Post by Skyhawk5 on Sep 8th, 2009 at 11:56pm
Please understand, we all hope you don't have CH. If you don't you are still welcome here.

Some of your symptoms are outside the CH norm. The blindness in particular. Do you mean totally blind?? It makes a difference.

I pray that you find what you need for whatever Headaches you may have. High flow Oxygen is the best thing I've found for CH.

Don

Title: Re: Hi
Post by MrsCetrone on Sep 9th, 2009 at 8:24am
Just out of my right eye.  When it's bad, it's like someone is flashing a flashlight in my right eye...all I see is bright white light.

Title: Re: Hi
Post by BarbaraD on Sep 9th, 2009 at 9:01am
Find a good neuro who specializes in headaches (some of us had to go thru many before we found one, so don't get discouraged if you have to fire a few before you find one).

I have migraines along with CH and some of your symptoms sound like what I experience when having both together (I hate it when that happens!). Just a thought - it could be a "combination" of headaches hitting together. (We're NOT doctors here - just experienced headacheers who've been diagnosed with everything from tooth decay to sinus problems ;) ).

Sorry you're going thru the pain of any type of headache. They ALL hurt like hell and WE do UNDERSTAND. Keep us up to date on what's going on.

Hugs BD :-*

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