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Message started by MeggyD on Oct 12th, 2009 at 12:16pm

Title: New to the group
Post by MeggyD on Oct 12th, 2009 at 12:16pm
Hello All,

My name is Meghan and I am 26 years old. I have been suffering for the last year everyday 24/7 with a pain in my head that feels like my head could explode any moment. I have not been diagnosed by a doctor but by a family friend who is a nurse practitioner. I have been on all types of migraine meds which did absolutely nothing for me. I have also been on Imitrex with no relief either, its very discouraging but I am trying to stay focused and not think about those things. I am very happy to have found this site, it has made me realize that I am not the only one suffering out there. My family has been very supportive of me over the last year, however my friends have not they don't seem to understand the amount of pain I am in everyday and I think it's because they can not see the pain. I am about to start a new medication "amerge" and I am hoping this can give me some relief if anyone has taken this please let me know what you all have experienced. Thanks for listening and being there!!!!

Title: Re: New to the group
Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 12th, 2009 at 12:50pm
You should see a real Doc.

         Potter

Title: Re: New to the group
Post by MeggyD on Oct 12th, 2009 at 1:04pm
I have gone to 2 different primary physicians over the last year. One of them who I was seeing once a month for 9 out of the last 12 months. I have also been to 2 different neurologists, one of whom is top rated in NJ and he told me to learn to deal with it. So as of right now docs arent really on my side...lol

Title: Re: New to the group
Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 12th, 2009 at 1:37pm
You contradict yourself in two posts.

             Potter

Title: Re: New to the group
Post by MeggyD on Oct 12th, 2009 at 1:47pm
I am not contradicting myself..I have not been diagnosed by a doctor/neuro that I have ch my family friend who is a nurse practitioner diagnosed me with ch.

Title: Re: New to the group
Post by Brew on Oct 12th, 2009 at 1:47pm

Quote:
I have been suffering for the last year everyday 24/7 with a pain in my head that feels like my head could explode any moment.

I'm not a doctor, and I don't play one on TV, but this is not cluster headache. You mention that none of the migraine drugs nor Imitrex bring any relief. I believe it's because of the mechanics of how these drugs work. They are most likely constricting your blood vessels, but constricting your blood vessels isn't bringing you any relief.

You need to see a headache specialist. Sounds to me like you have a different kind of headache type.

Title: Re: New to the group
Post by Callico on Oct 12th, 2009 at 2:02pm
Meghan,

I have to agree with Brew.  From the little bit you have described I would doubt you have CH.  On the left you will see "cluster quiz".  That will NOT diagnose you, but may give a little insight for you when you go to see a GOOD Dr who specializes in HA.  You didn't mention if you have had an MRI or MRA with contrast.  Those would be very important.  They will not show CH, but will rule out several potentially life threatening issues that can cause HA. 

Please follow up with a HA specialist and follow up with us to let us know the results.  If it is truly CH we are more than happy to help advise you, but understand we cannot diagnose or prescribe treatments.  All we can do is to recommend what has worked for us for you to work with your Dr.  You need to find someone knowledgeable who you can work with.  Don't just go and say, "Make me better" , but get proactively involved.

Please let us know what you come up with either way.  We really do care.

Jerry

Title: Re: New to the group
Post by Bob_Johnson on Oct 12th, 2009 at 4:12pm
This why you have been encouraged to seek a headache specialist. So many of our folks have had this experience......

Headache. 2000 Oct;40(9):730-5.
 
The misdiagnosis of cluster headache: a nonclinic, population-based, Internet survey.

Klapper JA, Klapper A, Voss T.

Colorado Neurology and Headache Center, Denver 80218, USA.

OBJECTIVE: We conducted the first nonclinic, Internet-based survey of cluster headache to investigate this population with regard to diagnostic problems encountered, effective and ineffective medications, problems obtaining medications through third-party payers, and symptoms as they relate to International Headache Society criteria. BACKGROUND: Previous cluster headache surveys have been at specialty centers. These patients might be different from cluster headache sufferers in the general population. An Internet-based population of cluster headache sufferers who connected to a Web site responded to the questionnaire, and e-mailed it back to our site to be analyzed. We analyzed a total of 789 respondents, 76% men and 28% women. RESULTS: Eighty-seven percent of respondents qualified as having cluster headache according to International Headache Society criteria. However, diagnosis was delayed an average of 6.6 years from the onset of symptoms. The average number of physicians seen before the correct diagnosis was made was 4.3, and the average number of incorrect diagnoses was 3.9. Seventy-one percent of respondents had undergone unnecessary magnetic resonance or computed tomography scans, and 4% had unnecessary sinus or deviated septum surgery. We found that many inappropriate medications such as propranolol, amitriptyline, and antibiotics were prescribed and that successful medications for clusters such as sumatriptan and oxygen were often denied due to a failure to understand the nature of this disorder. Seventy-seven percent of respondents were smokers. Seventy-four percent stopped smoking in an attempt to improve their condition; however, only 3% experienced relief. CONCLUSIONS: The most alarming finding was the delay in diagnosing cluster headache in this population--an average of 6.6 years.
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So, this is our suggestion:

LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE On-line screen to find a physician.

5. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE Look for "Physician Finder" search box.  Call 1-800-643-5552; they will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.
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This will help you understand what CH is----

 
Cluster headache.
From: START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE (Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases)
[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]





Title: Re: New to the group
Post by Linda_Howell on Oct 12th, 2009 at 8:10pm
Hi Meggy,  and welcome.

None of us are doctors here.  But between the 'lot' of us we have thousands of years of experience.  It certainly is NOT unusual to go through several doctors as well as YEARS of mis-diagnosis.  Believe me I've heard and seen a lot of quacky things doctors have told us. 

It really did seem like you contricted yourself, but lets try to get to the bottom of this and see if we can help you. 

After you take that quiz to the left (4th one down)  let us know how that applied to you.  You really must try to find a knowledgable Dr.  Before you even walk into an office ask...questions beforehand.  The questions to ask can be as simple as "Has this Dr. ever treated a cluster headache patient before and how?" 

If you do not have CH..I can to get you info on other types of headaches and will be happy to do so.

You are among friends here no matter what.   [smiley=wave.gif]

Linda

Title: Re: New to the group
Post by MeggyD on Oct 13th, 2009 at 3:42pm
Thanks for all the help out there.. I am going to see another neuro next week to see if they can help with a diagnosis.  I did take the cluster quiz and it seems as though I have some traits of a cluster so we will see what the dr says... again thanks

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