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Title: New here Post by Jennie on Nov 18th, 2009 at 2:07am
Hello,
My Name is Jennie I am a 30 yr old female I have episodic clusters, I have suffered them for aprox. 6 years now. I have been poked, prodded, scanned, injected, and given every type of med. on the market. And still every year, same day, same time the demon comes back, no matter what we try. He comes to visit on Nov. 16th at 3pm and lasts till around Christmas. I am currently taking 180mg of verapamil daily, which does not seem to do much good. numbness on the right side of my face, the itching hairline, the feeling of your forehead wanting to explode across the room, the bell's palsy, and, and, and the list seems to go on. sorry if I sound a bit bitter and crazed but I am now dancing with the beast, and am facing another 4 to 5 weeks of hell. [smiley=bigcry.gif] |
Title: Re: New here Post by LeLimey on Nov 18th, 2009 at 4:06am
Jennie hi! It's nice to meet you, I'm sorry you have to be here but I'm very glad you are since there is no where better for a clusterhead.
You're on quite a low dose of verap - has your doctor talked to you about upping it? How long have you been on it? Have you ever tried it with a prednisone taper? I'm sorry for all the questions but believe me, there'll be more! We'll do all we can to help Have you currently got any abortive meds such as Imitrex? Have you tried Oxygen? (My personal "Oh thank you God") Have you tried using ice or heat? Strong coffee or energy drinks? We'll help you all we can, we'll suggest stuff you can discuss with your doctor, we'll support you when you're down and we'll make you laugh with us as often as we can.. you're home now! :) Helen |
Title: Re: New here Post by lorac on Nov 18th, 2009 at 8:13am
Hi Jennie
Glad you found us here. It may take a little time for the Verapamil to kick in , but then it works very well...but be careful if you also drink energy drinks as well, because a high dose of Verap, and taurine, can mess up your heart rhythms...It did it to me. I am finding that Kudzu root (613mg) in the am, and at noon, has helped me a lot as well. Keep reading, and you will find all your answers here. You are no longer alone with this dreaded CH. lorac |
Title: Re: New here Post by Roughneck on Nov 18th, 2009 at 11:12am
Hi Jennie,
We are all in this together. Sorry for your pain i feel that pain too. I am glad you are here. I am also in verap started 2 days ago. Its not working for me either. Like the guy said above me here it might take a while to start working. Hang in there. Have you tried o2? I am getting some asap. |
Title: Re: New here Post by Jennie on Nov 18th, 2009 at 1:35pm
Hi there guys! Thank you all for the welcome and kind words.
I have been taking the verap for 3 years now daily, yes it is a very low dose. I am only allowed to up it when I am having an episode. and only up to 420mg a day says my doc. 240mg in the am and 180mg in the pm. my doc says its because I have very low blood pressure to begin with and he does not want it going too low. o2 works wonders when I can get my hands on it. I have tried Imitrex with no luck at all, it was almost as if it made the pain worse. Ice and heat work a bit but only for a second, an ice pack on my eye and forehead helps for about 5 min. then it all comes back, heat is the same way. Energy drinks don't seem to help much either. The only think I have found that honestly works is going to the ER, they put me on a drip, o2, and use a combo of Motrin, Benadryl, and prednisone which does the trick. But it's always a costly visit. I have only had 5 episodes 1 a year same time etc.... Verap. did help the Last 2 episodes but it's just not helping this one. But this one is diff. then the others. Usually I do not wake up with a CH. I have shadows when I wake up and can go about my day until 3pm then it hits and I suffer with them for the rest of the day until the we hours of the night, until I finally crash. But I was always able to look forward to the next morning when I would have many pain free hours before it would hit again. But this time I wake up with them they are here all day. They wont stop. In the past I would have short breaks, the pain would let up at least for 30 to 45 min. It game me time to kinda catch my breath and try to get comfortable. But the breaks are shorted and shorter this time around. I sure wish I had found this place years ago. I have been alone with this for a long time. I know no one who has ever been through this. So it's really nice to know there are others out there. Thank you guys! Sorry for the novel |
Title: Re: New here Post by Jrcox on Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:08am
For most high flow O2 does the trick. 15LPM up to even 25LPM or higher. If your doctor, really understands this condition, he should be willing to prescribe it. Id print out the o2 info from this site and bring it to him/her.
Take care Jrcox |
Title: Re: New here Post by Jennie on Nov 19th, 2009 at 3:24pm
Wow thanks guys for all your help!!!!!!!
I called my doc and talked with him some more about my dose of verap. He told me I could try upping the dose a bit and see what happens. So yesterday I took 240 in the am and 240 in the pm, and today I took 240 in the AM. I'm not sure if it's just my mind set or the meds but it seems to be helping a bit. Today I am having shadows and low hits, but they are not are not as bad as yesterday and the days prior. I also talked to him about o2 and well he said lets try to play with the verap. first before we do o2. So we will see. |
Title: Re: New here Post by Roughneck on Nov 19th, 2009 at 3:58pm
I wouldnt wait for a Dr.
Go get the oxygen from a welding shop. Maybe have your husband go pick it up for you. oxygen really works! you dont need a scrip for welding oxygen. It is the same oxygen as the medical oxygen. |
Title: Re: New here Post by angela.lambert on Nov 19th, 2009 at 4:02pm
Verap will only help as a prevenative.. The O2 will stop the beast in it's tracks when it hits if done properly, the abortive. They should be used together.
Have you tried the imitrex tip over on the side bar? Maybe too much (6mg) is bad, I just started doing the 2mg shot and it works great. Like the tip said, not much for the rebounds. And leaves me feeling better than the 6mg shot did. This morning, I stopped it with an icepack and way to stiff coffee :P. Trying not to use the imitrex if possible (spendy). Good luck finding your "CH cocktail". Angela |
Title: Re: New here Post by angela.lambert on Nov 19th, 2009 at 4:05pm
I use welding O2 also. I don't get a prescription. Welding O2 needs to be pure, if it isn't then the weld will not be "solid", it will be imperfect, and the weld will need to be redone.
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Title: Re: New here Post by Jennie on Nov 19th, 2009 at 9:33pm
thanks guys
Yes I have tried the Imitrex with no luck had really bad rebounds, not worth it to me at all. The hubby and I have been talking about welding oxygen alot he has been trying to get me to try it. He went on ebay last night and bought me a mask. I don't have to have him go get it, he's a welder and has bottles in his shop. he uses oxygen for his plasma cutter. As soon as the mask comes in I will try it. Is there a way to use it before I get a mask? |
Title: Re: New here Post by barry_sword on Nov 19th, 2009 at 10:07pm
Hi Jennie. Just for you know I was scripted 240 mg Verapamil daily and it did not touch my CH's. I asked my neuro to up it 360mg and no luck. We tried 480mg and it worked, but took a couple of weeks at that dosage to kick in.
It is important to taper onto this med as well as off, I ended up in the ER once as I went up too fast and my BP dropped off. My o2 is medical, with scripted regulators so I am not much help with taking it without this stuff, but hang in there! Nice to meet you. Barry :) |
Title: Re: New here Post by Jennie on Nov 19th, 2009 at 10:34pm
Thanks Berry! Nice to meet you too!
When I started the verap. 3 years ago it helped alot, I still had my cycles but they were not as bad and did not last as long. And then this cycle hit. I have not had one this bad in years. I am only 4 days into this cycle so I know the worse is to come. when you said taper onto and off of it, do you mean you only took it during your cycles? |
Title: Re: New here Post by barry_sword on Nov 19th, 2009 at 10:49pm Jennie wrote on Nov 19th, 2009 at 10:34pm:
I am currently taking one 80mg Verap daily while out of cycle, just trying something. What I meant was do not just start taking the full dosage all at once, slowly ween onto your amount and the same when you want to stop, do it slowly. For the 480mg I started with two 80mg pills a day, then slowly added a pill every couple of days until I hit my goal of 480mg. I hope this makes sense. I have a hard time explaining this sometimes, just easier to just do it. The reason I am trying a solo 80mg of Verap while out of cycle is to have it in my system when I need to up the dose. Hope this helps in some way. :) |
Title: Re: New here Post by bejeeber on Nov 20th, 2009 at 1:29am
Hi Jennie,
Sorry for possibly getting into some beating of the 'ol dead Imitrex horse here, but just wanted to check - was it the Imitrex injections (the most effective form) you were using? [smiley=deadhorse2.gif] Your doctor's wish to wait and see how the Verap works before trying O2 is nothing out of the ordinary. That's because doctors are generally ignorant about this and only an idiot would advise such a thing. >:( Have you tried Zyprexa (abortive) yet per chance? I haven't, but I was noticing the veteran forum member here Bob Johnson reporting good success with it recently and it looks like an interesting and less expensive alternative to Imitrex. |
Title: Re: New here Post by Jennie on Nov 20th, 2009 at 2:06am
Thanks Berry that helped! That also explained a little about why I felt the way I did yesterday when I upped the verap.
bejeeber I have never tried Zyprexa, I will be sure to ask about it. There is no doubt in my mind that my doc has little knowledge about CH as it seems there is not many docs who do. I have only tried Imitrex twice, once was the tablets given to me by my Gen prac. when I first started having these stupid things. and the tablets only seemed to make it worse. I have had one injection which was when I was admitted into the hosp. last year. I don't think it helped, it seemed like I had a bad rebound from it but, it was all foggy to me as it was a bad hit and all I really remember was the hubby taking me to the hosp. and then coming home, they poked me took blood gave shots, had the drip in me, use o2. It was all so cloudy for me. I know that I also know very little About CH, thats why I'm here. all I know is it's not fun, and that I have never faced anything in my life like this. |
Title: Re: New here Post by Dallas Denny 62 on Nov 20th, 2009 at 6:54am
Find a Doc who will give you Trex injections Jennie! Pills and nose spray did not work for me either and don't for most CH sufferers. As others here have told you, O2 is the cats meow for me and I use the shots only as a last resort.
Wishing you PFDAN;s Dallas Denny |
Title: Re: New here Post by Lawmandave on Nov 20th, 2009 at 10:35am
Jennie, nice to meet u but sorry we had to meet this way! the only fortunate thing is that u found this site and these wonderful people! they will help you any way possible because the only ones how truly understands the words clustetheadaches is us and possibly our very close loved ones! i can only 3 pieces of advice! 1 get that 02 and the right mask asap 2 if u dont get any where with your doc or nuero find the closest migriane / cluster head ache clinic and get on the list (upmc pitts / mayo clinic cleveland im sure there is one near ur metro area) 3 read read read this site! good luck and pfw jennie!
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