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Title: Acupuncture Post by Judicotswolds on Dec 14th, 2009 at 7:10am
Hello everyone
not feeling too bad today (not got use to abbreviations etc., yet). Went to GP with other problem this am and after chat about CH and expressions of ouch! she began feeling my neck and then gave me acupuncture. Said if I feel relief to go back and they will give me a course to see if they can control CH that way! Has anyone else had any success with acupuncture? Judi |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by seaworthy on Dec 14th, 2009 at 7:31am
Find a new Doc.
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Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Karla on Dec 14th, 2009 at 9:44am
no and run fast!
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Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Callico on Dec 14th, 2009 at 3:09pm
Ditto what they said!
Acupuncture may be good for some things, but CH is not one of them. It might help with some of the ancillary pain, but not enough to pay for. Jerry |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by TO2TKA on Dec 14th, 2009 at 3:52pm
Living human as voodoo doll???
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Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Charlie on Dec 14th, 2009 at 4:31pm
Find a doctor who is a clinician, not one burning incense and sticking needles in patients.
Good luck and let us know how things work out. Charlie |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Brew on Dec 14th, 2009 at 4:46pm
Um, the Chinese have been practicing acupuncture for a few thousand years, and it's worked out pretty well for them.
It may not do anything to treat CH, but let's be careful about casting aspersions on something that's got a pretty darned good track record for some other ailments. |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Dec 14th, 2009 at 6:03pm
... something that's got a pretty darned good track record ...
Pray tell me, who is keeping these track records (secret) ? Like the other big health scam, homeopathy, the best one can say about acupuncture is: Since both don't effectuate anything in the body, they buy some time for the body to heal itself. For those believing in miracles there my be some placebo effect too. There are no consistent, and double checked, "healing" results for neither of them. All we hear is about fortuitous correlations, the failures get conveniently swept under the carpet. Neither 200 nor 2000 years of wacky reasoning based on a shabby foundations prove anything. [smiley=smokin.gif] |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by jon019 on Dec 14th, 2009 at 9:48pm AlienSpaceGuy wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 6:03pm:
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Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 14th, 2009 at 11:22pm
I've been around site for a long time now. One of the many things I've heard and listened to is this:
People who have had healthy teeth pulled out from a dentist because that is HIS specialty. People who've gone to an eye doctor and HE/SHE said it was their eyes that were the problem. Ditto..ear/nose/throat specialists who assumed it was sinus related Because that is THEIR speciality. Be educated. Know what you're dealing with with a GOOD doctor/Neurologist. But... do your homework before you go. It will save you so many many hours of useless drivel, time and money. Moi |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Dec 15th, 2009 at 12:16am
Jon, here're just a few of the achievements of '"western" medicine' in the last 150 years:
· About doubling the life-span by (almost) conquering the infectious diseases. · Prevention of infections by vaccination. · Advance in surgery: high success rate in intestine-, heart-, brain-, (... you name it) surgeries, while not too long ago a broken leg meant disabled for life or even death from tetanus caused by a filthy saw bone. · Sound scientific foundations in pharmaceutical research against 2000 years outdated hogwash about "meridians" (that nobody has ever seen) that carry a "life energy" that has no place in quantum mechanics and that the most sophisticated instruments of today cannot measure. Now, Jon, name some similar success stories brought by the traditional and 'natural' methods, whole classes, not just some un-repeatable chance results. Our body has considerable self-healing capacity. As an example, a stomach upset usually disappears again in a few days, whether you some rub chicken shit on your belly or not. But waiting for the (effectless) chicken shit to do its trick, buys you some time for the self-healing to occur (before you try some more harmful quackery). Or as we say, an untreated cold lasts for a fortnight while lots of expensive nose sprays shorten it to 2 weeks. If you want to rely in the placebo effect buy some boji stones, for a few $$ on ebay, much cheaper than the treatment of a quack. [smiley=smokin.gif] |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 15th, 2009 at 12:36am
OR, in other words...
Quote:
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Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by jon019 on Dec 15th, 2009 at 1:59am AlienSpaceGuy wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 12:16am:
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Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Judicotswolds on Dec 15th, 2009 at 5:20am
Hello everyone
Thank you all for taking the time to post and most of them so thoughtful. I am of the open mind variety. I have seen the effect of mind over matter many years ago in Australia, in a hospital ward when a young aboriginal girl who had had the bone pointed at her was sinking despite the fact that the Doctors could find nothing wrong with her. Equally, I will happily (desperately) take pills to relieve my own condition/pain and respect the training doctors and scientist undergo. The most effective help I have received for other conditions has been from open minded medics happy to try combinations. I have tried homeopathy and for me there have been no results, but a lot of care and support. There are charlaton doctors and alternative therapists and I have seen them. In this country the health service is free at the point of delivery so no $ or £. The GP I saw is the head of the practice and believe me the fact that she got out a needle took me by surprise. So I am not prepared to go along with a cynical view about voodoo or money making on her part. In the UK there seem to be a number of GPs who have undertaken this additional training and offer it free of charge to patients just in case it helps. Now to me: It could be that I was coming to the end or a lull in the cycle of course, but that needle went in at about 10am yesterday. I have not needed to take a maltax have had only 2 paraetamol and 2 ibrufen, slept well and miraculously woken shadow and painfree. How the rest of the day progresses? we'll see. I will try anything that works. Last Wednesday/Thursday I was suicidal. Today I have a day off (in all senses) and will let my body recuperate. I am an arts graduate (sociology/politics) so no science background - maybe I would be less open minded if I had had the brain for pure science. I will keep you posted but assure you my feet are on the ground and I don't believe in miracles - mind over matter/suggestion now that's a whole different kettle of fish. Judi |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Judicotswolds on Dec 17th, 2009 at 8:20am
Hello
Just want to report on my experience with the acupuncture. GP stuck a needle in my neck on Monday. It is Thursday and I have not needed maxalt for 4/5 days. I am still in the cluster cycle - (can tell by the droopy eyelid and dilated pupil) but only pain seems to arrive at 3pm daily and is dealt with by proprietory pain killers. Saw another GP today within the practice who has confirmed that neuro says they can prescribe oxygen whenever I want. Also their acupuncturist GP is willing to see me at any time. So, so far - result. I have also been drinking full caffeine coffee and cafeine drinks and just can't express the difference a week makes. Seems to be working for me so far and lets face it, when faced with the pain of CH one will try anything! Judi |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Stephanielewis on Jan 6th, 2010 at 10:19am
First to answer the question on acupuncture I have tried it and it didn't work for me. Doesn't mean it doesn't work for some. I have co workers who do it for allergies and have not had to take meds since they had started it.
Now I have to make a comment to AlienSpaceGuy. This person just asked if someone has tried this with good results not what your beliefs are on it. We all will try anything to see if it will stop the clusters from coming. Also please go over your comments and do a fact check before you post and sound like an idiot. These are your words: Or as we say, an untreated cold lasts for a fortnight while lots of expensive nose sprays shorten it to 2 weeks. A FORTNIGHT is 2 weeks!!!!! |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Dallas Denny 62 on Jan 6th, 2010 at 10:34am
I thought that was the gist of his post....untreated a cold lasts for a fortnight (14 days) or, if you choose to treat it with expensive OTC meds it will only last 2 weeks (14 days)...
DD |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Linda_Howell on Jan 6th, 2010 at 10:34am Quote:
Please lets not resort to disrespect and name-calling. What Ueli is referring to in his fort-night/2 weeks comment is sarcastic irony. Or...in other words, expensive sprays won't do any better than just waiting it out. I've even heard doctors use this tongue-in-cheek expression many times. |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Jimi on Jan 6th, 2010 at 12:04pm
Interesting first post Stephanielewis..............you come in and slam somebody. Tell us a little about yourself and lets start over.
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Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by seasonalboomer on Jan 6th, 2010 at 1:19pm
I love sarcastic irony.
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Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Brew on Jan 6th, 2010 at 1:25pm seasonalboomer wrote on Jan 6th, 2010 at 1:19pm:
Especially when some don't get it. Gives the room that oh so uncomfortable feel. |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by seaworthy on Jan 6th, 2010 at 6:46pm Quote:
You didn't have to, you just wanted to. And missed the whole point on top of it. |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Linda_Howell on Jan 6th, 2010 at 8:32pm
I'm willing to give Stephanie (with one post)...the benefit of the doubt here. She obviously missed the point and has never heard of this anaolgy/ironic sarcasm/whatever we call it, even though this expression ahs been around for ages...So what do you say Stephanie? Want to start over on a better note???
This place, these people are the most caring, supportive folks in the world as far as I am concerned. We want to help anyone who needs it. We're listening. How can we help you? |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by vietvet2tours on Jan 7th, 2010 at 2:05pm Stephanielewis wrote on Jan 6th, 2010 at 10:19am:
Why take the time to join, make one scathing post and never return? Just wondering. Potter |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by maalstroom on Jan 7th, 2010 at 3:05pm
Tried it in the late nineties, and though it may work for some stuff, it does nothing for CH.
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Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by AussieBrian on Jan 7th, 2010 at 4:40pm
My auntie came to realise that she couldn't afford to both smoke and gamble so one of them had to go. She decided gambling was the lesser of two evils so took a course of acupuncture to rid herself of the dreaded ciggies.
She was smoking like a chimbley again not a week later but it was months before we realised she hadn't had another bet. Not even bingo. If it works for a CHead I say go for it! |
Title: Re: Acupuncture Post by Charlie on Jan 8th, 2010 at 10:17am |
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