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Message started by NancyB on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:17pm

Title: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by NancyB on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:17pm
A friend was just telling me about a hyperbolic chamber, which I guess is just a chamber with a lot of oxygen in it and is suppose to accelerate healing. Has anyone heard of this or tried it?

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by Brew on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:36pm
Do you mean hyperbaric?

If so, they use them to treat divers that develop the bends. It's high concentrations of O2 at higher than atmospheric pressure.

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by Brew on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:41pm
Either that or it's a chamber you're locked into and subject to endless obvious and intentional exaggerations.

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by NancyB on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:44pm
Yeah, that's what I meant- I think. Apparently they use it at some chiropractors offices. I know some athletes use it to help heal up faster so just wondering.

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by seasonalboomer on Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:46pm
I believe a hyperbolic chamber is the joint-session of congress for the State of the Union Address tonight.  :D

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by Brew on Jan 27th, 2010 at 8:36pm

seasonalboomer wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:46pm:
I believe a hyperbolic chamber is the joint-session of congress for the State of the Union Address tonight.  :D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by Kilowatt3 on Jan 27th, 2010 at 10:43pm

seasonalboomer wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:46pm:
I believe a hyperbolic chamber is the joint-session of congress for the State of the Union Address tonight.  :D

Nah!  The high pressure is there, but it's all hot air & smoke, rather than oxygen...

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by Revolvr on Jan 27th, 2010 at 11:07pm

Brew wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:41pm:
Either that or it's a chamber you're locked into and subject to endless obvious and intentional exaggerations.

Not to be hyperbolic or anything but I just LMAO. I needed that about now.  ;D

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by Bob P on Jan 28th, 2010 at 8:07am
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Thanks OUCH

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by NancyB on Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:35am
Thanks Bob- yet another thing to try- always a good thing.

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by Brew on Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:38am
I can't imagine what that treatment would cost....

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by NancyB on Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:42am
The friend that told me about it said that it's about same as a regular chiro appointment. In my opinion,as long as it's not millions, it's worth a shot.

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by monty on Jan 28th, 2010 at 2:23pm

NancyB wrote on Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:35am:
Thanks Bob- yet another thing to try- always a good thing.


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Hyperbaric oxygen can abort individual headaches, but there is no evidence it can stop a cycle. In that respect, it is no more effective than hi-flow oxygen with a non-rebreather mask ... except it is much more expensive (~$100 a session).

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by NancyB on Jan 29th, 2010 at 7:13pm
O.k. that sucks.

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by Batch on Jan 29th, 2010 at 8:59pm
The efficacy of hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT) as an abortive for a cluster headache or to abort a cycle is questionable at best... 

I took an HBOT chamber run as an observer in the late 70s...  As far as I can tell, most HBOT operators are still using the same US Navy Dive Table VI procedures shown below as they did then...
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As you can see from the schedule... you don't just jump into an HBOT chamber and then jump out... 

Using the above procedure to abort a cluster headache attack is like chasing flatulence in a wind storm or trying to eat a soup sandwich...  Not much gratification... 

You may as well plan on camping out in the HBOT chamber while waiting for an attack...

If a CH'er were able to catch an attack in progress while camping out in the HBOT chamber, efficacy would really depend on the patient's respiration rate and tidal volume during the oxygen breathing segments of chamber run...

It's much easier to abort attacks with a high flow rate regulator and O2PTIMASK™ kit or a demand valve...

Most insurance companies will not cover the expense of HBOT for cluster headaches.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by MJ on Jan 29th, 2010 at 11:57pm
If one thinks they are being helped they might be. The mind may provide relief alone if given permission.

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"Hyperbaric oxygen treatment of active cluster headache:

Sixteen patients, 12 with episodic and four with chronic cluster headache (CH) according to the International Headache Society criteria (1), participated in the study. They were randomly selected to start with one out of two different hyperbaric treatments in a double-blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study design. Both gases were administered by mask inside a multiplace hyperbaric chamber for 70 min at 250 kPa (2.5 ATA) in two sessions 24 h apart. Active treatment was 100% oxygen (HBO treatment), while placebo treatment was 10% oxygen in nitrogen (hyperbaric normoxic placebo = sham treatment) corresponding to breathing air at sea level. All patients were decompressed on air. The patients documented the number of headache attacks and their degree of severity according to a modified VAS scale (level 0–4, where level 0 = no headache and level 4 = very severe headache). A headache index (HI = sum of (number of attacks times degree of severity)) was calculated for the run-in week prior to and the week after each separate treatment. A treatment was regarded as effective if it reduced the HI by>50%. Blood samples were taken from the external jugular vein before and during hyperbaric treatment (after 30 and 70 min), 1 day and 1 week after each treatment for analyses of calcitonin gene-related peptide (CGRP), vasoactive intestinal peptide (VIP) and neuropeptide Y (NPY) and in a few patients also endotheline and nitrate. No difference between HBO and sham treatment on the HI or the prophylactic effect was observed in our study. However, 83% of the episodic CH patients and 25% of the chronic ones responded to either of the two treatments with at least 50% reduction of HI or remission for shorter or longer periods. This response rate exceeds an expected high placebo response due to the study procedure. Two episodic CH patients still experienced remission on follow-up 1 year after sham treatment. Five patients reported mild or moderate CH attacks during the sham treatment, and none during the HBO treatment. Changes in neuropeptides, endotheline and nitrate levels did not differ systematically when comparing the two different hyperbaric treatments or with respect to responders and non-responders. We conclude that two HBO sessions were not more effective than two sham treatments in reducing the HI and interrupting the CH period when given in a well-established cluster period or in chronic CH. The hyperbaric condition itself seems effective in reducing the HI, at least in patients with episodic CH, although a powerful placebo response can not be ruled out. "

Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers
Post by Batch on Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:34pm
MJ,

You're quite right, the mind can play a powerful role in healing...  My daughter is a leukemia survivor and has worked with kids suffering from leukemia for over 20 years.  She's also worked with kids suffering from autism for more than 5 years...  She's a firm believer in having a positive attitude and has seen first hand where it resulted in a favorable outcome far more often than not...

I'm familiar with the study you cited and I had the opportunity to speak with a number of neurologists specializing in the treatment of cluster and migraine sufferers about HBOT at the IHC 2009 convention in Philadelphia last September...  The most common comment from neurologists I spoke with who were familiar with this study was the results were largely anecdotal.  Had the response been more significant, there would have been more followup HBOT studies...

To put this in perspective, I think it's significant to note that out of the 420 study abstracts accepted by the IHC for presentation at the conference, only a handful dealt with oxygen therapy in one way or another and none involved hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

BMJ's Clinical Evidence web site made the following comment on the study you cited.

"It is difficult to comment on the efficacy of HBOT, given the limited controlled data available in the literature. However, it is noteworthy that the available data point towards a beneficial effect — which is not surprising considering the beneficial effect of normobaric oxygen. HBOT has been associated with adverse effects, including: damage to the ears, sinuses, and lungs from the effects of pressure; temporary worsening of short-sightedness; claustrophobia; and oxygen poisoning. Although serious adverse effects are rare, HBOT cannot be regarded as an entirely benign intervention. [39] The clinical utility of HBOT is likely to remain limited in the foreseeable future, owing to the lack of general availability."

We've also learned a lot about using oxygen as an abortive for cluster headaches over the last few years.  As I indicated in an earlier post in this thread, respiration rate and tidal volume (depth of breath) play a significant role in the efficacy of oxygen therapy in aborting cluster headaches.  From what I've been able to gather, no specific breathing instructions were given to the participants in the HBOT study other than to breathe normally.

We collected data on over 650 aborts with oxygen therapy during the pilot study that formed the basis for the patent application for the demand valve method of therapy the USPTO published last December.  366 of these aborts used flow rates that support hyperventilation.  The study indicated a dramatic reduction in abort times if flow rates that support hyperventilation were used over breathing normally at a flow rate of 12 to 15 liters/minute...

So... I'll stick with my initial statement that most of us are far better off with a better quality of life if we use home oxygen therapy at flow rates that support hyperventilation.  It's far less expensive than imitrex, it has no side effects, and if used properly, the success rate (efficacy) is greater than 95% and the abort times are just as fast as imitrex.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

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