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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Medications, Treatments, Therapies >> Hyperbolic chambers http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1264630620 Message started by NancyB on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:17pm |
Title: Hyperbolic chambers Post by NancyB on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:17pm
A friend was just telling me about a hyperbolic chamber, which I guess is just a chamber with a lot of oxygen in it and is suppose to accelerate healing. Has anyone heard of this or tried it?
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Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by Brew on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:36pm
Do you mean hyperbaric?
If so, they use them to treat divers that develop the bends. It's high concentrations of O2 at higher than atmospheric pressure. |
Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by Brew on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:41pm
Either that or it's a chamber you're locked into and subject to endless obvious and intentional exaggerations.
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Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by NancyB on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:44pm
Yeah, that's what I meant- I think. Apparently they use it at some chiropractors offices. I know some athletes use it to help heal up faster so just wondering.
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Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by seasonalboomer on Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:46pm
I believe a hyperbolic chamber is the joint-session of congress for the State of the Union Address tonight. :D
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Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by Brew on Jan 27th, 2010 at 8:36pm seasonalboomer wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:46pm:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by Kilowatt3 on Jan 27th, 2010 at 10:43pm seasonalboomer wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:46pm:
Nah! The high pressure is there, but it's all hot air & smoke, rather than oxygen... |
Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by Revolvr on Jan 27th, 2010 at 11:07pm Brew wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:41pm:
Not to be hyperbolic or anything but I just LMAO. I needed that about now. ;D |
Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by Bob P on Jan 28th, 2010 at 8:07am |
Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by NancyB on Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:35am
Thanks Bob- yet another thing to try- always a good thing.
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Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by Brew on Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:38am
I can't imagine what that treatment would cost....
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Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by NancyB on Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:42am
The friend that told me about it said that it's about same as a regular chiro appointment. In my opinion,as long as it's not millions, it's worth a shot.
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Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by monty on Jan 28th, 2010 at 2:23pm NancyB wrote on Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:35am:
? Hyperbaric oxygen can abort individual headaches, but there is no evidence it can stop a cycle. In that respect, it is no more effective than hi-flow oxygen with a non-rebreather mask ... except it is much more expensive (~$100 a session). |
Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by NancyB on Jan 29th, 2010 at 7:13pm
O.k. that sucks.
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Title: Re: Hyperbolic chambers Post by Batch on Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:34pm
MJ,
You're quite right, the mind can play a powerful role in healing... My daughter is a leukemia survivor and has worked with kids suffering from leukemia for over 20 years. She's also worked with kids suffering from autism for more than 5 years... She's a firm believer in having a positive attitude and has seen first hand where it resulted in a favorable outcome far more often than not... I'm familiar with the study you cited and I had the opportunity to speak with a number of neurologists specializing in the treatment of cluster and migraine sufferers about HBOT at the IHC 2009 convention in Philadelphia last September... The most common comment from neurologists I spoke with who were familiar with this study was the results were largely anecdotal. Had the response been more significant, there would have been more followup HBOT studies... To put this in perspective, I think it's significant to note that out of the 420 study abstracts accepted by the IHC for presentation at the conference, only a handful dealt with oxygen therapy in one way or another and none involved hyperbaric oxygen therapy. BMJ's Clinical Evidence web site made the following comment on the study you cited. "It is difficult to comment on the efficacy of HBOT, given the limited controlled data available in the literature. However, it is noteworthy that the available data point towards a beneficial effect — which is not surprising considering the beneficial effect of normobaric oxygen. HBOT has been associated with adverse effects, including: damage to the ears, sinuses, and lungs from the effects of pressure; temporary worsening of short-sightedness; claustrophobia; and oxygen poisoning. Although serious adverse effects are rare, HBOT cannot be regarded as an entirely benign intervention. [39] The clinical utility of HBOT is likely to remain limited in the foreseeable future, owing to the lack of general availability." We've also learned a lot about using oxygen as an abortive for cluster headaches over the last few years. As I indicated in an earlier post in this thread, respiration rate and tidal volume (depth of breath) play a significant role in the efficacy of oxygen therapy in aborting cluster headaches. From what I've been able to gather, no specific breathing instructions were given to the participants in the HBOT study other than to breathe normally. We collected data on over 650 aborts with oxygen therapy during the pilot study that formed the basis for the patent application for the demand valve method of therapy the USPTO published last December. 366 of these aborts used flow rates that support hyperventilation. The study indicated a dramatic reduction in abort times if flow rates that support hyperventilation were used over breathing normally at a flow rate of 12 to 15 liters/minute... So... I'll stick with my initial statement that most of us are far better off with a better quality of life if we use home oxygen therapy at flow rates that support hyperventilation. It's far less expensive than imitrex, it has no side effects, and if used properly, the success rate (efficacy) is greater than 95% and the abort times are just as fast as imitrex. Take care, V/R, Batch |
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