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Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Charlie on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 8:08pm
I read about this thing this morning. Awful.
Reminded me of my cousin who would not stop having my little neice answer the phone and carry on a 4 minute conversation of which I could understand 5 words. Cute but enough is enough. Charlie |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Brew on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 9:04pm
The pilots seemed to enjoy it (from what I heard on the radio today).
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Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by BarbaraD on Mar 4th, 2010 at 7:11am
Wouldn't you have LOVED to have been on the plane the kid was 'talking' to?
Ya'll know I love kids and think they can do "nothing" wrong, but this was a little over the line. Daddy needs his butt spanked for taking him to work in the first place. The control tower in a major airport is NOT the place for a kid. My 2 cents. :-* |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by seaworthy on Mar 4th, 2010 at 7:20am Quote:
Ditto We are up to 4 cents |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by deltadarlin on Mar 4th, 2010 at 8:04am
And it happened not once, but twice. What I find amazing is the amount of people defending the pilot, *no harm, no foul*.
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Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by seaworthy on Mar 4th, 2010 at 10:26am
Could have been a major foul if there was some sort of emergency and there were two kids in the way.
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Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Brew on Mar 4th, 2010 at 10:28am
This kid obviously had his dad standing right behind him calling all the shots. He's probably better than your average air traffic controller, and he let his kid act on his behalf - equivalent to letting your kid sit on your lap while driving for a short time with his hands on the wheel. You're still in control of the vehicle.
What is there to get so uptight about here? The dad was obviously still in total control of the situation, and I'm finding it difficult to see where he was being irresponsible. Hell, America elected a man-child who's more unqualified to do HIS job and is now trying to ramrod an overhaul of one-seventh of the American economy on a straight party line vote - an overhaul the vast majority of Americans strongly disagree with. Who's more irresponsible? Lighten up, people. |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by seaworthy on Mar 4th, 2010 at 10:56am
FAA said it best.
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Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Brew on Mar 4th, 2010 at 11:29am
So get bent out of shape about it. You're entitled.
What a country. |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Kevin_M on Mar 4th, 2010 at 12:26pm Brew wrote on Mar 4th, 2010 at 10:28am:
Overriding though, the FAA calls the shots there. |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Brew on Mar 4th, 2010 at 12:33pm Kevin_M wrote on Mar 4th, 2010 at 12:26pm:
His father, as an employee of the FAA, being the FAA calling the shots there. |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by NancyB on Mar 4th, 2010 at 12:39pm
Yeah, but would you have wanted a kid in the tower the day that plane ended up in the Hudson?
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Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Kevin_M on Mar 4th, 2010 at 3:30pm Brew wrote on Mar 4th, 2010 at 12:33pm:
Being they are probably the ones combing fields and oceans to reconstruct a jet piece by piece to find the cause, I'd imagine they'd like certain precautions as preventive measures in place. |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Brew on Mar 4th, 2010 at 4:33pm
Just wow.
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Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Kevin_M on Mar 4th, 2010 at 4:49pm
With so many possible scenarios, where would the line be drawn.
"My buddy's been feeling really down since being laid off so I thought I'd bring him to the tower and announce some takeoffs" "I got a new girlfriend I'd like to impress and let 'er say "Ready for takeoff" from the tower." "My kid's got the day off from school and..." Which are ok, which not. Or perhaps it should just be a controller communicating. |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Brew on Mar 4th, 2010 at 5:13pm
Nevermind, Kev.
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Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Kevin_M on Mar 4th, 2010 at 5:20pm
Ok. I was just wondering if the option three presented was no big deal, what opinions might be on all other possibilities.
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Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Brew on Mar 4th, 2010 at 5:28pm Kevin_M wrote on Mar 4th, 2010 at 5:20pm:
You'll have to solicit those opinions from others. I just can't relate to all the "rules are rules" stuff. Nobody has fun anymore. |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Kevin_M on Mar 4th, 2010 at 5:35pm
Safety is one thing where rules can be helpful, though not maybe fun.
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Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by seaworthy on Mar 4th, 2010 at 6:03pm Brew wrote on Mar 4th, 2010 at 12:33pm:
I'm an emplyee of a large real estate management company but I certainly don't call the shots for the company. I, like the the controller, am expected to follow the companies policies and procedures. If I don't then I will pay a consequece for that. Just as the controller should. He was suspended and justly so. |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Sandy_C on Mar 4th, 2010 at 7:03pm
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I will pay a consequece for that. Just as the controller should. He was suspended and justly so. [/quote] As should any pilot of any airplane landing or taking off based on the instructions from a child's voice. The pilot should have radioed back, "not moving this plane until the controller tells me to". Just my 2 cents Sandy |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Charlie on Mar 4th, 2010 at 8:46pm
Only in America do we defend something not too fucking bright?
The people around Buffalo, where the crash that killed so many friends and family a year or so ago, don't find this amusing. Charlie |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Brew on Mar 4th, 2010 at 8:59pm
This was ground control, not air traffic control.
But rules are rules. And everyone is entitled to their opinion. |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Charlie on Mar 4th, 2010 at 11:27pm Quote:
Hopeless. This guy simply acted stupid. I have no doubt his heart is in the right place but jeesh. He needs the rest he is getting. I don't think he should be fired but as Group Captain Lionel Mandrake would say: "He deserves such a pranging." Charlie |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by WileyP on Mar 5th, 2010 at 2:12am
This one's a tough call.
There's little doubt in my mind that the controller in question had a firm handle on the situation. He certainly was wearing a mini headset-type communication system and could easily over-ride his kids' transmission if some emergency were to arise. The kids were probably using a hand-held microphone used for training purposes that can be over-ridden by the instructor/controller. And it is doubtful that this happened during peak traffic hours. It is sad that so many people who have no idea whatever what goes on in a tower, RAPCON or ARTCC have gotten their panties in a bunch over this. Granted, Father Fed has its rules, and this controller broke one of them. On the other hand, I don't think this controller endangered anybody or anything by his action...unless it was his own position as an active controller. |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Kevin_M on Mar 5th, 2010 at 5:57am Brew wrote on Mar 4th, 2010 at 8:59pm:
Nat'l Trans. Safety Board: Quote:
As opposed to being described as uptight, bent out of shape, or getting panties in a bunch, some might think policies simply appropriate to the hazards. |
Title: Re: Ground control to major Tom Post by Charlie on Mar 5th, 2010 at 6:12pm
In any event, when it comes to dealing with airline safety, perception is one of the biggest parts.
Charlie |
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