Well, AZ did something about the Immigration problem. It may not be perfect, but at least they're working on the problem.

It'll probably get over-turned before it's over, but, in my opinion, other states need to follow suit and MAYBE then DC will get the message that we HAVE A PROBLEM!!

In most other countries I've visited (and that's been quite a few) everyone (including citizens of that country) carried "papers" - passports usually, but something identifying their citizenship) - so I really don't see the harm in it here. I carry a DL and a SS card and other ID with me (have the papers filled out for a new passport - just can't remember to go get a picture taken, but if required I would - no problem). I just don't think it's a big deal.

If you got stopped for anything - an ID check could be mandatory - if you didn't have proper ID - take your rear in. And yeah, I know - racial profiling. But if that's what it takes to stop the flow of illegals... so be it. Citizens have proper ID - illegals don't. Citizens are told to have a nice day - Illegals are sent back to where they came from. The hell with "guest worker" status -- put some Americans to work - may not be what they "want to do" but they can FEED THEIR FAMILIES doing it!

Right now, I think AZ has some good ideas a several things. -- Aren't they the ones that have Sheriff Joe and his Tent City? I've even suggested to our Sheriff he start something like that - that guy has saved his county a bunch of money and has it working for him. His "guests" don't want to come back. The roads look good, he runs the local animal shelter (saving the country bunches of money) and I forget what-all.

Anyhow... that's my opinion.. I'm sure others will differ, but...

:-*

Careful, Barb - people might accuse you of becoming more conservative now that you've reached your 29th birthday.... ;D

There is no where in the European Union where you have to carry paper's or passports. In fact, in the UK you don't even have to carry a driving licence. If you get stopped by the police or after an accident you get to choose a police station convenient to you and you get given a "show documents" slip which you have to take, along with your paperwork to the designated station.

England is over run with both legal and illegal immigrants. Our big problem is we end up with all the dross of Europe there who don't want to work and just want to claim social security. The sooner Britain gets out of the EU the better. I have no problem with immigration, I love being able to experience loads of different cultures. What I personally have a problem with is asswipes who want to come and live in a country and claim every penny they can without putting anything back in.

From my understanding, as it's been explained to me, Arizona is being seen as a big issue as it's on the borders with Mexico so hence it's seen as being anti hispanic. I wonder if it would be so big a deal if Montana for instance adopted this policy??

Remember, I don't KNOW as much about US politics as I'd like to! I'm trying to learn but it's a completely different system and it's confusing but I do welcome education on it!!

It's a balancing act Barbara. We are constatntly trying to balance the scales. There is the complete police state where you must have your papers on you to show when asked, you are stopped and searched routinely, police have absolute and total control of all of your civil rights. This results in as close to zero crime as you can ever get.

Then you have the opposite, where the individuals civil rights are absolute. The police must have a warrant to even speak with a citizen against their will. The police have absolutely no authority and are basically armed crossing guards who respond anytime bullets start flying.

We live in the middle. Every time you give the police a little more authority, you give up a little bit of your freedom. We did it with the patriot act because we thought it necassary to combat terrorists. Arizona just did it with this law because they thought it necassary to combat illegal immigration.

The question you must always address, how much of your rights are you willing to give up, in the interest of safety? For those who don't know me, I just retired after 30 years as a police officer, so I speak from the inside! ;) Wish I knew for sure what the correct answer was!

Joe

I don't know how I, personally could be "profiled"  but if I was walking down the street, or sitting in a cafe and an officer walked up to me asking to see I.D. I'd gladly give it to him and not for a second would I think I was giving up my freedom or my rights.

Those who have nothing to hide.  Hide nothing.

Joe I know what you're saying and agree... don't have an answer either. Too much -- too little...????? But the illegal problem has gotten out of hand.

The problem with giving too much authority is that some in authority will take advantage (you and Jimi had enough "dust" on your badges - otherwise known as "common sense" - to not "abuse" the authority) and that's when the trouble starts.... It's the same around here with black and white (yep even after 50 years of Civil Rights). Red neck deputy stops a black guy and it's "Boy!" and guess what??? Houston we got us a problem!

And Helen, I don't remember if I was "carded" in England, but I have been in France, Germany, Austria, Korea, and numerous other countries I can think of.  What I was saying is I don't mind carrying ID if that's what it takes to stop illegals from taking what I'm paying taxes for (and I AGREE wholeheartly that they don't deserve a damn thing they haven't paid for).

And Brew - I don't know the difference between a consertative and a liberal - just that they don't agree most of the time...  ;)  Hell, I'm just "opinionated!"   ;) :-*

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And Brew - I don't know the difference between a consertative and a liberal - just that they don't agree most of the time...    Hell, I'm just "opinionated!"

“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.”
-G. K. Chesterton

That"s pretty much my take on the difference between the two. But it is starting to look up in November.

    And I would be pretty much okay if they mined the border. That would slow them up a bit, and no profiling.

Mike

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Interesting article on Mexico"s immigration policy.

Mike

If you read the law, profiling is not the issue.  Neither is anyone on the street asked for ID.  It is like the seat belt law used to be, secondary to another violation.  One has to be stopped for another issue before ID is asked for.  I have no problem with it.  All the way up here in IL we have the same problems, just maybe not quite as acute.  I remember a few years ago when someone at the Del Monte processing plant in Mendota IL decided to pull a prank and went into the cannery and yelled "Immigration".  In 5 minutes there were only two people on the floor, my brother and another employee.  Were all of them illegal? No, but it shows the problem.

Jerry

Callico wrote on Apr 28^th, 2010 at 5:03pm:

If you read the law, profiling is not the issue.

If you read the news, US citizens have already been detained and held until someone in their family could prove they were citizens - driver's license and SS . Probably not going to happen to an Anglo who speaks perfect English. But US citizens who have dark skin, an accent, or other characteristics that fit the profile are being interfered with as they go about their business. So yes, it is profiling. And no, it is not the equal protection of the law that the US Constitution guarantees.

The only way to fix this is by having a secure national ID card that proves citizenship, and which everyone is required to carry.

It's politics. Arizonans can look tough. The thing is that everybody profiles. The police would be hamstrung without it. I'm not sure that codifying it is necessary. It's the "show me your papers" end of the thing. It's crappy and I'm not looking forward to the mess this will create in courts all over the place and on cable news....bleaugh.

It's a great way to get votes in Arizona and no matter what happens the "acceptable" people win. It's perfect.

I'm not so sure that others...even here in western New York, are as upset about this as thought.  The the jury's out on it.....perhaps literally. I don't hear a lot of griping yet.

Charlie

I don't give a rats behind about politics.  To me they're all a bunch of talking heads.   My brother lives in Phoenix.  I've spent months there.  The problem from his and my point of view is dire and someone from Northern states just don't get to really see the problem illegals create. 

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My father came here from Germany when he was 18.  He went through Ellis Island, went to school and learned English starting over from Kindergarten on...(even though he was humiliated) and did everything he was supposed to do to become a U/S. citizen including taking the test and raising his right arm and swearing the oath. Before he died, he told me it was one of the proudest moments of his life.  He went on to become a respected member of his community.

Yeah...I have no respect for those who take and don't give back.

My grandfather forbade the family to speak Swedish outside the house when they came here. I know about it Linda.

Charlie

Linda, my neighbor told me the same story about her mother.  She was hispanic, but did the whole learn english, learn the constitution, etc.  Proudest moment of her life was getting her citizenship.  I truly believe that was a good way of proving you really wanted to immigrate.   :)

If someone has committed a crime or is a suspect, the police have enough technology to identify them and we have a justice system to put them on trial to determine guilt or innocence.  Forcing everyone to carry an "official" ID card and giving the police the power to stop anyone to check that ID smacks of fascism. 




Further, the majority of those stopped will be non caucasion.  Illegal immigrants don't live lives of luxury-check and see what people on welfare get in your state, where they live.  Aside from creating a non-constitutional law, think of all the money that criminals will make producing false documents.  The current economic crisis that we seem to be coming out of was made by greedy, lying rich white Wall St. guys, not Pedro the gardner.

Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Nevada and California feel the burden moreso than most other states, as these states are being economically destroyed by the illegal aliens from Mexico.  I am glad to see the AZ Governor take a stance with an attitude of enough is enough. 

Immigration enforcement and border patrol and national security all fall under the Federal responsibility.  However, the Feds are doing very little about the daily horrors associated with these illegals.  So I am glad to see that the AZ Gov has taken a stance on behalf of the state she was elected to govern. 

Unfortunately for anybody of Hispanic blood, they will get racially profiled.  Too bad for the majority of them who are documented as legal, as they will be discriminated against for the color of their skin and that is not constitutional. 

SB 1070 will deter many of the illegals from entering through AZ and it will hopefully send hundreds of thousands back across into Mexico.  But I doubt these illegals will receive anything more than a slap on the wrist with better understanding they must next cross into the U.S.A via Texas, New Mexico or California, because AZ will not tolerate.  Hispanics, particularly Mexicans, have contributed so very much to our society, it is a shame that the innocent (legal) residents must be profiled.  Could you imagine being a documented (legal) U.S. citizen taking your children to the ice cream store or the playground at the park and have to be stopped, harrassed for ID because of the color of your skin?  Several times a month, a week, a day, hourly?  If that happened to me, I would want to move somewhere where there was FREEDOM.  Oh wait, that's what America is...was.

So what will happen as a result of this SB 1070...IF it is passed in July without constitutional violation...in my opinion rioting will be statewide and spread across our nation, there will certainly be a boycott of the entire state of AZ which will suffer tremendously with the economic loss from ALL Hispanics, many (legal and illegal) who will move to neighboring states such as Texas, New Mexico, Nevada and California.  The problem will escalate and eventually turn into a civil race war on American soil and a race war between U.S.A. and Mexico. 

God forbid my prediction is remotely accurate, but unless the Feds enact a more effective plan ASAP, I think this is only the beginning of something serious which will impact all of the USA. :(

wrote on Apr 28^th, 2010 at 10:22pm:

If someone has committed a crime or is a suspect, the police have enough technology to identify them and we have a justice system to put them on trial to determine guilt or innocence.  Forcing everyone to carry an "official" ID card and giving the police the power to stop anyone to check that ID smacks of fascism.  Further, the majority of those stopped will be non caucasion.  Illegal immigrants don't live lives of luxury-check and see what people on welfare get in your state, where they live.  Aside from creating a non-constitutional law, think of all the money that criminals will make producing false documents.  The current economic crisis that we seem to be coming out of was made by greedy, lying rich white Wall St. guys, not Pedro the gardner.

Why is it non constitutional? And illegal immigration isn't good for anyone, legal or otherwise.

Can you imagine the potential (and justifiable) outrage and problems that would occur if a "legal" Hispanic-American Gulf War vet is arrested and thrown into jail because he/she was arrested by the  police because of not carrying an ID card stating that he/she is an American citizen?  People should only be stopped by the police if there is a reasonable basis that that person has commiting a crime.  I'm sure that some police departments will establish quotas that each officer must fill each month for stopingt so many people each month, for no particular reason,or else get a bad remark on their records-that was the case (and maybe still is)  in NYC and it was the higher ups that mandated that and not the individual offiers and the majority of those stopped and checked were Blacks and Hispanics, not a white guy in a $2000 suit.  I hope that the Federal Government puts an end to this before it starts.  Anyone old enough to remember the Americans of Japanese descent being placed in concentration camps and losing their homes and other possesions during WWII?  Anyone remember that the all Japanese American and Tuskese flying units being the most decorated units during WWII?  Let us not shame ourselves again.

From the Federal document: Welcome to the United States, A guide for New Residents -
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As a permanent resident, it is your responsibility to: • Obey all federal, state, and local laws. • Pay federal, state, and local income taxes. • Register with the Selective Service (U.S. Armed Forces), if you are a male between ages 18 and 26. See page 11 for instructions. • Maintain your immigration status. • Carry proof of your permanent resident status at all times.• Change your address online or provide it in writing to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) within 10 days of each time you move. See page 12 for instructions.

The Feds have required this for a while.

I'm a native born American and don't have to carry any ID stating that.  I have no problem with legal aliens have to carry proof that they are legal immigrants-my problem with this law is that all Hispancs, even though legal citizens, can be stopped and asked to show proof that they are either citizens or here legally.  How can one tell if one is here legally or is a citizen?  This is discrimination and un-American if the person is stopped based soley on his/her race; try to get a bill passed in Congress requiring that ALL Americans have to always carry such a card and be stopped to prove their citizenship-it would never be proposed unless it is only required for non Whites.  Racism is still alive in the US except now it is more subtle.  When President Truman desegregated the Armed Forces there was a lot of opposition yet now, when many of our troops are not white we have the best military ever.  Under the old rules, Colin Powell would have been a cook!

wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 8:50am:

I'm a native born American and don't have to carry any ID stating that.  I have no problem with legal aliens have to carry proof that they are legal immigrants-my problem with this law is that all Hispancs, even though legal citizens, can be stopped and asked to show proof that they are either citizens or here legally.  How can one tell if one is here legally or is a citizen?  This is discrimination and un-American if the person is stopped based soley on his/her race; try to get a bill passed in Congress requiring that ALL Americans have to always carry such a card and be stopped to prove their citizenship-it would never be proposed unless it is only required for non Whites.  Racism is still alive in the US except now it is more subtle.  When President Truman desegregated the Armed Forces there was a lot of opposition yet now, when many of our troops are not white we have the best military ever.  Under the old rules, Colin Powell would have been a cook!

TommyA - I don't believe I've seen any kind of introduction from you in the "Getting to know ya" section? Why not go there and tell us a bit about yourself - the nature of your CH, what meds you've tried, what works, what doesn't - that kind of thing. You seem very willing to comment on everything but CH. It'd be kind of nice to know that you're one of us.

Cuz if you're not, your opinion and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee, but you better have the dollar.

wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 8:13am:

Can you imagine the potential (and justifiable) outrage and problems that would occur if a "legal" Hispanic-American Gulf War vet is arrested and thrown into jail because he/she was arrested by the  police because of not carrying an ID card stating that he/she is an American citizen?  People should only be stopped by the police if there is a reasonable basis that that person has commiting a crime.  I'm sure that some police departments will establish quotas that each officer must fill each month for stopingt so many people each month, for no particular reason,or else get a bad remark on their records-that was the case (and maybe still is)  in NYC and it was the higher ups that mandated that and not the individual offiers and the majority of those stopped and checked were Blacks and Hispanics, not a white guy in a $2000 suit.  I hope that the Federal Government puts an end to this before it starts.  Anyone old enough to remember the Americans of Japanese descent being placed in concentration camps and losing their homes and other possesions during WWII?  Anyone remember that the all Japanese American and Tuskese flying units being the most decorated units during WWII?  Let us not shame ourselves again.

Bob P wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 8:17am:

From the Federal document: Welcome to the United States, A guide for New Residents - Quote: As a permanent resident, it is your responsibility to: • Obey all federal, state, and local laws. • Pay federal, state, and local income taxes. • Register with the Selective Service (U.S. Armed Forces), if you are a male between ages 18 and 26. See page 11 for instructions. • Maintain your immigration status. • Carry proof of your permanent resident status at all times.• Change your address online or provide it in writing to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) within 10 days of each time you move. See page 12 for instructions. The Feds have required this for a while.

There's your answer.

I'd like to know a little more about your CH and not your politics too please  :)

This was in the Stanford Daily yesterday and I have to say I was surprised since they tend to lean the other way at universities on stuff like this but I do like what she wrote.

Get it Right: “Undocumented” sounds nice–”Illegal” is accurate

Wall Street may enjoy a brief period of respite from the role of perfidious villain in the blame game propagated by the President in the coming weeks. The rules of this game are simple: assign culpability for the nation’s problems to some arch-nemesis. Previously, the position of Public Enemy No. 1 has been filled by President Bush (what can’t we blame on him), CIA interrogators (abusing helpless terrorists), health care insurance providers (greedy profit-seeking charlatans), Tea Partiers (raising Cain by quoting the Constitution…oh no!) and finally New York bankers (they single-handedly brought down the highly regulated “free” market…oxymoron?). However, the bankers may be able to continue their nefarious activities while their regulators watch porn at the taxpayers’ expense, at least for a short while, as a new blackguard threatens to wreak havoc on the greatness of our nation.
Arizona governor Jan Brewer had the audacity last Friday to sign into law a bill that reinforces federal illegal immigration laws. Having heard hysterical cries of “racism” and “apartheid” on the news waves, I decided to investigate the new law in an attempt to decipher how, in Obamaspeak, it threatens to “undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans.”
The law prohibits Arizona officials from limiting “the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.” It requires officials to determine immigration status if there is suspicion of illegality. It makes illegal immigration a state crime (note: it is already a federal crime). It prevents illegal immigrants from working in Arizona. For the record, under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, any citizen of any country who “(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact” has committed a federal crime.
Given the existing federal statute, I wonder how exactly the “misguided” Arizona governor (along with the 70 percent of the “misguided” population that supported the bill) is violating American “notions of fairness?” Outraged predictions of racial profiling fly in from the left as commentators like Reverend Al Sharpton boldly declare, “we will bring freedom walkers to Arizona…we cannot sit by and allow people to be arbitrarily and unilaterally picked off as suspects because of the color of their skin.”
The race card has been played too many times. As Arizona State Senator Russell Pearce said, “illegal is not a race; it’s a crime.” Arizona shares a border with Mexico. Thus, it is not surprising that the majority of illegal border crossers are Mexican. Acknowledging this fact, and suggesting that the laws of our nation actually be enforced, is not a coordinated attack on people of Mexican heritage. It is an attempt to protect the rights of American citizens and legal immigrants.
According to ImmigrationCounters.com, the money wired to Mexico since January of 2006 amounts to more than $28.9 billion. There are approximately 22.7 million illegal aliens in the country, who have incurred social service costs of $397 billion since 1996. How is that demonstrating “fairness” to the American taxpayers providing these social services?
Small wonder that Mexico is displeased with the new law. The government of Mexico, in a two-page statement, laments that “legislators that approved this bill and the Governor of Arizona did not take into account the valuable contributions of [illegal] immigrants to the economy, society and culture of Arizona and the United States.”
Nobody is discounting the contributions of immigrants to the nation. How is it unjust to require that those who benefit from life in America do so legally? How is it racist to suggest that protecting the rights of American citizens trumps protecting non-citizens? It is ridiculous to claim that anti-illegal immigration laws are unconstitutional when, by definition, illegal aliens are not protected by the constitution.

Give TommyA a break. I've made an ass of myself over and over but even Bob and Brew play nice with me most of the time.

About ID cards. They are forever. I have to have one to do most anything interesting or what is called an "enhanced drivers license" or a passport to go to Canada. It's overkill of course and this crap is expensive.

Way out there in AZ and elsewhere it's all about the profiling end. If only like rest of us, they hadn't put it into law.

I know: How about demanding all the legal and other PITA expenses that we have to pay for over this be above board? Maybe it'll slow things down a bit.....no doubt unconstitutional)

God I hate this thing.....

Charlie

I just don't see anything that tells me he's a clusterhead or a supporter.

I think the Arizona law will be thrown out by the high court as unconstitutional. But, it has gotten the attention of the Obama-lama-ding-dong gang so maybe, just maybe, the imigration laws already on the books will start to be enforced.

It's a shame that more laws have to be passed, given that the laws already on the books are not being enforced.  It is illegal to hire undocumented workers and has been for numerous years.  It is illegal to be in this country without the proper documentation.  It is illegal to evade deportation.  It is illegal to hide people or otherwise thwart the government for carrying out deportation of undocumented workers.

How much simpler does it need to be?  Racist?  Bullshit, it is not racist to ask people to abide by the law.

That's my thing. No new law was needed.....My Libertarian side reveals itself......

Charlie

TommyA,

No one here has one ounce of respect for your political or religious views until they know you are a CH sufferer or supporter.  The only thing that will catch their eye is your experience with CH.

Until you fess up the CH experiences you are just wasting space.

Make sense?

DJ

There was a congressman on TV yesterday that made some sense (to me). He was an American born citizen of an Australian mother (American dad I assume - he didn't say). He did say that when his mother went back to Australia - she took him with her, so he grew up in BOTH countries, with  his mother. He was talking about babies BORN here and being citizens and the government saying that they shouldn't be seperated from their parents... He chose to come back to America when he was of age as a citizen because he was. That makes more sense to me than letting the whole family stay here illegally.

Of course a guy on the other side was yelling -- you can't SEPERATE the family... if you send them ALL back you're NOT seperating the family. The baby is still an American citizen and can come back anytime, but the parents are NOT citizens unless they migrate LEGALLY.

They have a choice to put the baby with relatives who are LEGAL or keep the kid with them in their country, but if they're not legal - they don't need to be here. It's really not about separating the family - it's about cleaning up our immigration system.

And yes, we have laws in place now (on the federal level) -- It's about time they were enforced.

But then - just wait till one of YOU get a nice letter from the IRS telling you that you failed to report $15-20K in wages and that you owe $3-4K in taxes plus penalty or interest.... ooops someone used your social and the employer didn't check it closely and they're coming back on you!!!! I've got three right now that this happened to... someone just made up a social and it hit my clients... One we've about got resolved - the other two are pending. And guess what??? All three came from AZ. Of course the culprits are LONG GONE and they're doing NOTHING to the employer (maybe a slap on the hand -- there's supposed to be a FINE, but you know how that goes - I think my clients are the only ones who comply with that damn thing). So anytime you think the immigration problem doesn't affect EVERYONE - think again!!

Whatever AZ is doing -- at least they've brought the problem out in the open and I salute them... I'm too damn old to learn Spanish and I LIKE the American FLAG!!!

DJ wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 8:42pm:

Make sense? DJ

Don't think Deej set up this site due to any lack of opinions on the net.  Dealing as CH sufferer/supporter lends the inter alios intended.

"No one here has one ounce of respect for your political or religious views until they know you are a CH sufferer or supporter.  The only thing that will catch their eye is your experience with CH.

Until you fess up the CH experiences you are just wasting space."

I didn't realize that there was a requirement to tell  of my Ch experience right away, but to satisfy you here it is:  chronic 13 years, worked for a govt agency, took a bullet to the head while on duty (fortunately didn't penetrate skull), had a couple of operations but pain is still there but getting a bit better.  That enough massa? You ever take a bullet to the head?  Hurts.

Make sense?

DJ

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Hey TommyA, are you saying there is a connection between clusterheadaches and a bullet to the head?


massa?

[quote author=4964694C0B0 link=1272451467/32#32 date=1272640818]Hey TommyA, are you saying there is a connection between clusterheadaches and a bullet to the head?"

Had the clusters before the bullet.

wrote on Apr 30^th, 2010 at 11:04am:

"No one here has one ounce of respect for your political or religious views until they know you are a CH sufferer or supporter.  The only thing that will catch their eye is your experience with CH. Until you fess up the CH experiences you are just wasting space." I didn't realize that there was a requirement to tell  of my Ch experience right away, but to satisfy you here it is:  chronic 13 years, worked for a govt agency, took a bullet to the head while on duty (fortunately didn't penetrate skull), had a couple of operations but pain is still there but getting a bit better.  That enough massa? You ever take a bullet to the head?  Hurts. Make sense? DJ

Requirement? No.

Common courtesy? You be the judge.

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You ever take a bullet to the head?  Hurts.

As a side, adds some disillusioning with this advice.



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do you have tips how should i manage my life?

wrote on Apr 24^th, 2010 at 6:58am:

Sorry that you have CH.  As for me, when I feel one coming on, I run for the nearest phone booth, strip off all of my "outside clothes" to reveal my skin tight underclothes with a big "S" on the front, a red cape and fly "up, up and away!"  My CH goes away and I only run into a piece of kryptonite and then the pain returns-damn you Lex Luthor!

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That enough massa?

You show a little respect for the one that owns this site or your time here will be very short.

That is my ONLY warning.
>:(

word on the street is there are thousands expected to flee from AZ and add to the existing problem we have with illegals here in Las Vegas  :(

I think the fact that the president of Mexico is so up in arms says a lot, they said on the news that Western Union alone wires like 850 Million a year to Mexico from the US. That is just a very small part I fear of the true amount of earnings illegal’s make and send out of our country and Mexico is just one country there are people here illegally from just about every country in the world doing the same thing.
If you think this does not hurt anyone think about the money flowing out and not coming back, I love it when people start saying that illegal’s pay taxes, well yes sales tax when they buy something in the store and have to pay tax but remember they are paying with money they earned without paying income tax or social security tax and a host of other taxes that we do pay and I think that is a big reason we pay so much tax. If everyone was legal and paid taxes we would not pay as much or if we did things would be better, hell there might even be social security when I am eligible for it but right now I would be very surprised if I get a dime back of all the money I have paid into that system since my first job when I was 16 years old.
I have nothing but respect for those who have come to this country and earned there citizenship that is how this country was built. But as with most things, you tend to respect something you have earned and don’t respect what you have not, and I see so many people that do not respect this country especially in California and I think most are illegal’s, I love this country with all my heart, I even served to protect it and it hurts me to see it treated so poorly by those that should not even be here in the first place.

wrote on Apr 30^th, 2010 at 11:04am:

"No one here has one ounce of respect for your political or religious views until they know you are a CH sufferer or supporter.  The only thing that will catch their eye is your experience with CH. Until you fess up the CH experiences you are just wasting space." I didn't realize that there was a requirement to tell  of my Ch experience right away, but to satisfy you here it is:  chronic 13 years, worked for a govt agency, took a bullet to the head while on duty (fortunately didn't penetrate skull), had a couple of operations but pain is still there but getting a bit better.  That enough massa? You ever take a bullet to the head?  Hurts. Make sense? DJ

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What kind of duty were you doing to get shot????

Drug interdiction and other intelligence work.

wrote on Apr 30^th, 2010 at 1:23pm:

Drug interdiction and other intelligence work.

Wow - how did you manage that with CH too? It must have made for some very difficult situations. Are you still in that line of work?

Rectivated after 9/11, medical retirement 3 years ago due to medical reasons.  Thanks for asking.

That's a shame - you must have tons of great stories to tell though!

wrote on Apr 30^th, 2010 at 11:04am:

I didn't realize that there was a requirement to tell  of my Ch experience right away, but to satisfy you here it is:  chronic 13 years, worked for a govt agency, took a bullet to the head while on duty (fortunately didn't penetrate skull), had a couple of operations but pain is still there but getting a bit better.  That enough massa? You ever take a bullet to the head?  Hurts.

Nope, never taken a bullet to the head but have had two brain surgeries.  You ever had brain surgeries?  Wait... you had DBS.  I guess that constitutes brain surgery, huh?

;)

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wrote on Apr 30^th, 2010 at 11:04am:

I didn't realize that there was a requirement to tell  of my Ch experience right away, but to satisfy you here it is:  chronic 13 years, worked for a govt agency, took a bullet to the head while on duty (fortunately didn't penetrate skull), had a couple of operations but pain is still there but getting a bit better.  That enough massa? You ever take a bullet to the head?  Hurts.

Nope, never taken a bullet to the head but have had two brain surgeries.  You ever had brain surgeries?  Wait... you had DBS.  I guess that constitutes brain surgery, huh?

;)


[/quote]
Didn't have DBS butt by definition it is brain surgery.

wrote on Apr 30^th, 2010 at 3:16pm:

wrote on Apr 30th, 2010 at 1:23pm: Drug interdiction and other intelligence work. Wow - how did you manage that with CH too? It must have made for some very difficult situations. Are you still in that line of work?

I just consult from time to time.  Thanks for asking and welcome to
America!

wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 2:50am:

wrote on Apr 30th, 2010 at 3:16pm: wrote on Apr 30th, 2010 at 1:23pm: Drug interdiction and other intelligence work. Wow - how did you manage that with CH too? It must have made for some very difficult situations. Are you still in that line of work? I just consult from time to time.  Thanks for asking and welcome to America!

Oh I've been here lots of times now - so much so I now know CNY like the back of my hand! Every pothole!!

wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 2:42am:

Didn't have DBS butt by definition it is brain surgery.

That's not what you told me via email back in '07 (because I still have it).  I still have all of the fun emails you sent me back in the day... IP addresses, machine ID's, email addreses, screen names.  C'mon "Tommy", you're not fooling anyone here.  Spill the beans!

Why are you here?

Helen:  I see that you list your residence as NY-have you taken the BIG step and married an American?

Charlie wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 8:12pm:

That's my thing. No new law was needed.....My Libertarian side reveals itself...... Charlie

Correct!  No new law SHOULD be needed.  It's already on the federal books.  But, nobody is enforcing those laws - Hell, they are ignoring those laws.

What is AZ, or any other state supposed to do when being overrun by illegal aliens (note I use the word "aliens" rather than "immigrant"), go bankrupt?  Have to cut services to their legal tax-paying citizens?  All AZ is doing is mirroring the federal law allowing their state and local police to enforce the federal law by also making it a state crime to be there illegally.   

And no, they are not going to be allowed to just stop someone walking down the street just because they have dark skin.  If you commit a crime, and I don't care if it's just running a red light, and you are stopped for that crime, the officers have the authority to ask you for identification - yes, even us legal US citizens of any color.  If you aren't carrying identification, or if that identification appears suspect, you may have to prove your legal right to be in this country and may be arrested.  Gee, too bad for you.

In other words, if you don't commit a crime, you have nothing to fear. It's called "probable cause".

This should be a big wake-up call to the federal government of all persuasions.  It's their job to secure our borders and they have failed miserably.  I hope every state in the union does the same thing.

Off soap box now.

Sandy (I'm opinionated too)

No Tommy, I'm available  ;D

wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 2:42am:

Didn't have DBS butt by definition it is brain surgery.

That's weird.  I distinctly remember that you had DBS surgery back when you were the other Tom.

wow

  Breathe Tom.

     Potter

wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 10:28am:

No Tommy, I'm available  ;D

Be still my aching heart! :D
So watcha doin next weekend? :P

Potter wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 11:13am:

Breathe Tom.      Potter

;D ;D ;D

George wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 10:41am:

wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 2:42am: Didn't have DBS butt by definition it is brain surgery. That's weird.  I distinctly remember that you had DBS surgery back when you were the other Tom.

'Course, back when you were Heidi and Sandra and a couple others, you were a woman.  That must have been even more uncomfortable.

wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 10:28am:

No Tommy, I'm available  ;D

Oh God, let me take a tranquilizer before my heart bursts!

wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 12:00pm:

wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 10:28am: No Tommy, I'm available  ;D Oh God, let me take a tranquilizer before my heart bursts!

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       Potter

Potter wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 12:33pm:

wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 12:00pm: wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 10:28am: No Tommy, I'm available  ;D Oh God, let me take a tranquilizer before my heart bursts! START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGESTART PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE The Tranquilizer Chair was invented by Dr. Benjamin Rush of the Pennsylvania Hospital. The Chair was invented to restrain violent patients. In the early 1800s Dr. Rush believed that "gaining obedience through fear helped the insane rediscover their lost reason."        Potter

Got one with wheels so that they can take me outside once in awhile. :o

Love the bucket underneath.

George wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 11:55am:

George wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 10:41am: wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 2:42am: Didn't have DBS butt by definition it is brain surgery. That's weird.  I distinctly remember that you had DBS surgery back when you were the other Tom. 'Course, back when you were Heidi and Sandra and a couple others, you were a woman.  That must have been even more uncomfortable.

Oh yeah.....I remember now..... ::)

George wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 11:55am:

'Course, back when you were Heidi and Sandra and a couple others, you were a woman.  That must have been even more uncomfortable.

Don't forget about LindaM.  That was a cool chick profile too! 

;)

DJ wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 1:55pm:

Don't forget about LindaM.  That was a cool chick profile too!  ;)

It was.  I kinda liked it when he was Klusterkopf.  All that nattering on in bad German...    ::)

Best,

George

klusterkopf........I had completely forgotten that one!

DJ wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 9:04am:

wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 2:42am: Didn't have DBS butt by definition it is brain surgery. That's not what you told me via email back in '07

So by definition, you did have brain surgery on your butt?

OMG Kevin, I am LMAO !!!!

Kevin_M wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 2:59pm:

DJ wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 9:04am: wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 2:42am: Didn't have DBS butt by definition it is brain surgery. That's not what you told me via email back in '07 So by definition, you did have brain surgery on your butt?

Possibly, Kevin.....but maybe it was brain surgery performed on the head while up the butt.  Very delicate procedure I'm sure....

Jackie wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 4:50pm:

Kevin_M wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 2:59pm: DJ wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 9:04am: wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 2:42am: Didn't have DBS butt by definition it is brain surgery. That's not what you told me via email back in '07 So by definition, you did have brain surgery on your butt? Possibly, Kevin.....but maybe it was brain surgery performed on the head while up the butt.  Very delicate procedure I'm sure....

I've not had the experience butt since it appears that you have I'll take your word that it is not pleasant  (for some).

Jackie wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 4:50pm:

brain surgery performed on the head while up the butt.

;)

Continues to show permanent residency granted when it immigrated up his AZ.

wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 2:42am:

[quote /44#44 date=1272681629] wrote on Apr 30th, 2010 at 11:04am: I didn't realize that there was a requirement to tell  of my Ch experience right away, but to satisfy you here it is:  chronic 13 years, worked for a govt agency, took a bullet to the head while on duty (fortunately didn't penetrate skull), had a couple of operations but pain is still there but getting a bit better.  That enough massa? You ever take a bullet to the head?  Hurts. Nope, never taken a bullet to the head but have had two brain surgeries.  You ever had brain surgeries?  Wait... you had DBS.  I guess that constitutes brain surgery, huh? ;)

Didn't have DBS butt by definition it is brain surgery.[/quote]
  So that's where the term shit for brains comes from.

                 Potter

wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 5:31pm:

I've not had the experience butt since it appears that you have I'll take your word that it is not pleasant  (for some).

The adult equivalent of "I know you are butt what am I?"

Potter wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 6:02pm:

wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 2:42am: [quote /44#44 date=1272681629] wrote on Apr 30th, 2010 at 11:04am: I didn't realize that there was a requirement to tell  of my Ch experience right away, but to satisfy you here it is:  chronic 13 years, worked for a govt agency, took a bullet to the head while on duty (fortunately didn't penetrate skull), had a couple of operations but pain is still there but getting a bit better.  That enough massa? You ever take a bullet to the head?  Hurts. Nope, never taken a bullet to the head but have had two brain surgeries.  You ever had brain surgeries?  Wait... you had DBS.  I guess that constitutes brain surgery, huh? ;) Didn't have DBS butt by definition it is brain surgery.

  So that's where the term shit for brains comes from.

                 Potter[/quote]
You must have to keep several rolls of toilet paper always handy and wear an adult diaper on your head.

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Charlie

Troll debating aside...

as I was driving past Home Depot this morning I noticed at least 30 guys loitering out front on the sidewalk awaiting day labor jobs.  Usually there are only about 15 guys.  Hope this is not the beginning of the overflow coming from AZ to Las Vegas.

LasVegas wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 6:39pm:

Troll debating aside... as I was driving past Home Depot this morning I noticed at least 30 guys loitering out front on the sidewalk awaiting day labor jobs.  Usually there are only about 15 guys.  Hope this is not the beginning of the overflow coming from AZ to Las Vegas.

They may only have been there to get their wallets stolen.

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;)

Best,

George

LasVegas wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 6:39pm:

Troll debating aside...

Is that a new team sport or something?  8-)

QnHeartMM wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 7:09pm:

LasVegas wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 6:39pm: Troll debating aside... Is that a new team sport or something?  8-)

My money is on Team Clusterheads.

wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 11:42am:

wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 10:28am: No Tommy, I'm available  ;D Be still my aching heart! :D So watcha doin next weekend? :P

I don't date outside my own species.. sorry!

Have you already forgotten when you wanted to meet in Nottingham? I think that was when you were kopfshmerz which was different to klusterkopf and about the same time as Heidi.

It must be hard to remember though, you've had more incarnations than a skunk has fleas. We've sniffed you out as easily every time too. It's not fair I know. We're a bunch of big ol meanies.

wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 8:11pm:

wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 11:42am: wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 10:28am: No Tommy, I'm available  ;D Be still my aching heart! :D So watcha doin next weekend? :P I don't date outside my own species.. sorry! Have you already forgotten when you wanted to meet in Nottingham? I think that was when you were kopfshmerz which was different to klusterkopf and about the same time as Heidi. It must be hard to remember though, you've had more incarnations than a skunk has fleas. We've sniffed you out as easily every time too. It's not fair I know. We're a bunch of big ol meanies.

[smiley=bow.gif]

I have a feeling that this is only the beginning...."Tens of thousands of people have joined protests in the US against a controversial anti-immigration law introduced in Arizona."

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LasVegas wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 6:39pm:

Troll debating aside... as I was driving past Home Depot this morning I noticed at least 30 guys loitering out front on the sidewalk awaiting day labor jobs.  Usually there are only about 15 guys.  Hope this is not the beginning of the overflow coming from AZ to Las Vegas.

You're welcome!  ;D

Quote:

Redd wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 7:24pm: QnHeartMM wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 7:09pm: LasVegas wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 6:39pm: Troll debating aside... Is that a new team sport or something?  8-) My money is on Team Clusterheads .

We wouldn't get past our first drug test....!



Lefty

Quote:

"Tens of thousands of people have joined protests in the US against a controversial anti-immigration law introduced in Arizona."

Shouldn't that be an anti-illegal immigration law?

Bob P wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 7:53am:

Quote: "Tens of thousands of people have joined protests in the US against a controversial anti-immigration law introduced in Arizona." Shouldn't that be an anti-illegal immigration law?

Bravo Bob.  Bravo!   [smiley=clap2.gif]

Bob and DJ, I am horribly disappointed in your lack of sensitivity.........they are called International Travelers. ;)

Joe

Guiseppi wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 10:28am:

Bob and DJ, I am horribly disappointed in your lack of sensitivity.........they are called International Travelers. ;) Joe

     What about them pesky Canucks slipping across the border?  Eh.

         Potter

LasVegas wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 6:39pm:

Troll debating aside... as I was driving past Home Depot this morning I noticed at least 30 guys loitering out front on the sidewalk awaiting day labor jobs.  Usually there are only about 15 guys.  Hope this is not the beginning of the overflow coming from AZ to Las Vegas.

This post has been getting more and more racist as it continues.  "Those people" are trying to get work-at most minimum wage, no benefits.  How many white guys were standing in line?  You didn't mention that and the answer is zero.  You don't know their immigration status nor do you say anything about the white bosses that hire them.  I'm sure that those immigrants all have luxury homes and several Lincolns and Cadillacs. Be careful, by2050 the majority of Americans will be of Hispanic origin-you or your descendants going to leave for another country then?

wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 11:39am:

LasVegas wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 6:39pm: Troll debating aside... as I was driving past Home Depot this morning I noticed at least 30 guys loitering out front on the sidewalk awaiting day labor jobs.  Usually there are only about 15 guys.  Hope this is not the beginning of the overflow coming from AZ to Las Vegas. This post has been getting more and more racist as it continues.  "Those people" are trying to get work-at most minimum wage, no benefits.  How many white guys were standing in line?  You didn't mention that and the answer is zero.  You don't know their immigration status nor do you say anything about the white bosses that hire them.  I'm sure that those immigrants all have luxury homes and several Lincolns and Cadillacs. Be careful, by2050 the majority of Americans will be of Hispanic origin-you or your descendants going to leave for another country then?

And you are drawing a conclusion without knowing what the poster is referring to.   Did Las Vegas specifically say that those men were Mexican?  You do understand what the word *assume* can mean?

Majority of Americans will be of Hispanic origin?  Would those be actual citizens of this country or jus the Hispanic race in general?

Inch by inch, Tommy reveals himself. He can't help it. It is his nature.

I do not think it is a bit racist at all to want people living and working in this country, utilizing services such as police, fire, healthcare etc, to do so legally. Whether it is by being born a citizen, naturalized a citizen, or living as a legal alien.

I think Arizona has guts to be the first to do something about it. Will this inconvience citizens and legal aliens who are of foreign descent? Yes. That's unfortunate. But will it help keep their state able to pay for the services they provide because the people using them will be legally working and paying taxes. And will their classrooms be able to return to teaching in English. Maybe then our teachers can focus on educating all children the same way, rather than having children who speak 30 different languages that hold back the education of all. Perhaps then our companies won't need to send all the high-tech jobs off-shore.

If that makes me a racist, then bring on the stones.

deltadarlin wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 11:46am:

wrote on May 2nd, 2010 at 11:39am: LasVegas wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 6:39pm: Troll debating aside... as I was driving past Home Depot this morning I noticed at least 30 guys loitering out front on the sidewalk awaiting day labor jobs.  Usually there are only about 15 guys.  Hope this is not the beginning of the overflow coming from AZ to Las Vegas. This post has been getting more and more racist as it continues.  "Those people" are trying to get work-at most minimum wage, no benefits.  How many white guys were standing in line?  You didn't mention that and the answer is zero.  You don't know their immigration status nor do you say anything about the white bosses that hire them.  I'm sure that those immigrants all have luxury homes and several Lincolns and Cadillacs. Be careful, by2050 the majority of Americans will be of Hispanic origin-you or your descendants going to leave for another country then? And you are drawing a conclusion without knowing what the poster is referring to.   Did Las Vegas specifically say that those men were Mexican?  You do understand what the word *assume* can mean? Majority of Americans will be of Hispanic origin?  Would those be actual citizens of this country or jus the Hispanic race in general?

This is not a racist posting nor are any of the postings within this thread racist.  This is unfortunate that we Americans have a border that is not being enforced; resulting in illegals sneaking into our country and bleeding our resources that American taxpayers provide.   

Regardless of race, if they are legal citizens, they are illegally working day labor jobs because they are not paying taxes on their income.  Local police regularly stop people in their vehicles after they pickup a day laborer and fine the driver. 

If they are illegal, they are not citizens and have no right to work in the USA at all. 

My posting was to show the coincidence of timing that the # of guys out front have doubled in a week since SB 1070 was signed, which makes me believe this is more than a coincidence.

DJ wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 9:46am:

Bob P wrote on May 2nd, 2010 at 7:53am: Quote: "Tens of thousands of people have joined protests in the US against a controversial anti-immigration law introduced in Arizona." Shouldn't that be an anti-illegal immigration law? Bravo Bob.  Bravo!   [smiley=clap2.gif]

I second that Bravo to Bob  ;) 
FYI...that line was quoted from the link I posted.

What about them pesky Canucks slipping across the border?  Eh.

         Potter


Good thang yer cute!!!! :D 

Somehow I just knew you'd pipe in here with something like that Carol.   I was waiting for it.   ;D

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Good reasons why Mexican president Felipe Calderon should just STFU.

Linda_Howell wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 1:18pm:

Somehow I just knew you'd pipe in here with something like that Carol.   I was waiting for it.   ;D

I'd hate to disappoint!  ;)  Potter's one of my favourite folks around here so he will know that I'm just giving him static.

wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 8:11pm:

wrote on May 1st, 2010 at 11:42am: [quote author=775E7752565E423B0 link=1272451467/51#51 date=1272724087]No Tommy, I'm available  ;D Be still my aching heart! :D So watcha doin next weekend? :P

I don't date outside my own species.. sorry!

Have you already forgotten when you wanted to meet in Nottingham? I think that was when you were kopfshmerz which was different to klusterkopf and about the same time as Heidi.

It must be hard to remember though, you've had more incarnations than a skunk has fleas. We've sniffed you out as easily every time too. It's not fair I know. We're a bunch of big ol meanies.

Sorry, didn't know that you only dated women-I support lesbian rights! :-*

She said species...not gender.   ::)

Linda_Howell wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 6:11pm:

She said species...not gender.   ::)

But...But Linda,....Human is not his first language.  We must be more considerate of "aliens". 

Bye bye TommyA aka CHTom, LindaM, Big_OUCH, SandravdL, Vanster, Kopfschmerz, Klusterkopf, schinnen, HSJones, John-Anatole Sckorohod, Hdido, NYJohn, or whatever you call yourself.

It's been fun but it's time for you to go.

:-*

Hasta la vista, Purple Boy.  We'll be watching. 

George

Damn...I suppose at some point you have to net 'em and get 'em in the boat.

It was more than time Brew.  ;)

Fun while it lasted - but once again - BUSTED!

The dumb a$$ will never learn.

Good catch y'all!

Carol

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And if anyone had any doubt as to who we were dealing with... I just received these two PM's from Tommy boy.


wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 7:00pm:

Fuck you and your FAT pig of a sow wife.  I'll be back you lump of shit. :D

wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 7:28pm:

D :Does she squeal when you fuck her from behind (you'd die if she got on top of you)? :D

And this man is a Licenced Master Social Worker in the State of New York.  What a shame.  I believe this is the person we are dealing with:

John Anatole Sckorohod
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Sure would love to hear from some of the people he's worked with over the years...  lol

DJ

What a sorry excuse for a human being.

Yes...unfortunately he will be back and we will catch it as soon as he does....

and we will let him hang himself once again.......

and we will send him back to cyberspace from whence he came.

>:(

What a nasty piece of work.

When he shows up again, I will make it my personal business to sandbag his sorry butt the moment I catch a whiff of him.

Consider it a promise. 

Best,

George

Oh D.J. - that's beyond horrible and to think this man has a degree in one of the health sciences that's meant to help people!  God help anyone he is working with!  Wonder if there's some way to report him to his governing body?

He'll be back - he has no where else to go.

WE don't want him but nor does anyone else. He is incredibly easy to spot though, he's not as clever as he thinks.

He's an odious little man who has no life. He has nothing. The ultimate loser. He can't even make friends on the internet, he exists to cause discontent. I wouldn't even call him mentally ill. This creature is diseased.

While I accept that this man just does what he does.......it simply boggles my mind. A life, so pathetic, it exists only to raise discontent on a website dedicated to helping those who suffer.

I have seen a lot of mentally ill people in 30 years as a police officer.......this brand is without question one of the sickest.

Joe

If that's the guy, he works at the Rochester, NY Veteran's Medical Center:

Quote:

NEW YORK , ROCHESTER TEAM # 0124 SUPPORT FACILITY : BATAVIA, NEW YORK VAMC DATE OPENED : 06/02/86 TEAM LEADER : JOHN SCKOROHOD,M.S.W. ADDRESS; VET CENTER 134 S. FITZHUGH STREET ROCHESTER , NY 14608 PHONE COMMERICAL :716-263-5710 FTS: 700-963-5710 FAX: 716-263-5756

Good grief! That's right down the street from DRUMMER -- let's sic Drummer on him!!! Bet he'd NEVER come back after that altercation.... :o