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Message started by MattyAA on Aug 28th, 2010 at 12:35am

Title: Vinegar
Post by MattyAA on Aug 28th, 2010 at 12:35am
Hey I wanted to ask because I was curious if Vinegar is one of your triggers or not.

Thanks for input :)

Title: Re: Vinegar
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 28th, 2010 at 3:12am
I've never noticed it, I'm a big Balsamic Vinegar fan and haven't ever found a co relation....given the alcohol and wine triggers many have it wouldn't suprise me.

Joe

Title: Re: Vinegar
Post by Bob P on Aug 28th, 2010 at 9:06am
Some years back it was posted that placing a lump of bleu cheese in each armpit and taking a vinegar sponge bath would stop an attack.

Title: Re: Vinegar
Post by Katherinecm on Aug 28th, 2010 at 10:25am
Alcohol's not a trigger for me, but allergies, non-organic wine and some vinegars are.  I'm triggered by the mildest allergic attacks. 

I'm allergic to sulfa antibiotics so my guess is that I'm also allergic to the sulfates that are all over non organic grapes.  Those sulfates are concentrated in wine and certain vinegars. 

I now use distilled white or rice vinegars or I get other varieties that are organic.

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Title: Re: Vinegar
Post by Linda_Howell on Aug 28th, 2010 at 12:12pm

Quote:
Some years back it was posted that placing a lump of bleu cheese in each armpit and taking a vinegar sponge bath would stop an attack.


OMG..I remember that.  Den and Georgia were the perps on that one.   ;D ;D

Title: Re: Vinegar
Post by Ginger S. on Aug 28th, 2010 at 12:20pm
Balsamic Vinegar doesn't bother me (Fan of it too!), but I have noticed when ever I have potato salad (one ingredient we use is Rice Wine Vinegar) that I've had CH hits shortly after eating some.  Damn good potato salad too.  :-/

Title: Re: Vinegar
Post by MattyAA on Aug 28th, 2010 at 4:27pm

Bob P wrote on Aug 28th, 2010 at 9:06am:
Some years back it was posted that placing a lump of bleu cheese in each armpit and taking a vinegar sponge bath would stop an attack.


lol, I meant I was curious, because I was keen for some cod in vinegar but I don't wanna get hit hardcore :D

Title: Re: Vinegar
Post by wimsey1 on Aug 30th, 2010 at 7:48am
Just curious...wouldn't vinegar have a direct effect on our ph levels? Not sure if it would be for the better or worse, though. Batch? Any thoughts? lance

Title: Re: Vinegar
Post by Mike NZ on Aug 30th, 2010 at 4:12pm
It's unlikely to have much of an effect unless you consume large quantities.

Title: Re: Vinegar
Post by shellcory on Aug 31st, 2010 at 10:16am
Hi Guys,
            We find any types of vinegar's or citric acid's trigger attacks within a couple of minutes, doesn't seem to matter if in cycle or not. The first attack I ever experienced was due to me  :o serving balsalmic vinegarette on a salad, needless to say it hasn't been on my shopping list for over 10 years now.
                                 Regards Shell :)

Title: Re: Vinegar
Post by monty on Sep 16th, 2010 at 12:24am

wimsey1 wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 7:48am:
Just curious...wouldn't vinegar have a direct effect on our ph levels? Not sure if it would be for the better or worse, though. Batch? Any thoughts? lance


Vinegar is an acid, of course, but it is metabolized to CO2 and easily excreted in the breathe. Most of the acid/alkaline balance literature focuses on acids that must be excreted by the kidneys (nitric, sulfuric, and phosphoric, which are primarily from amino acids,  and from phosphates in animal proteins). The problems arise when these acids are not balanced by potassium, magnesium and calcium, and/or when the diet is low in buffers like citrate and bicarbonate.

Vinegar is a type of short chain fatty acid that has anti-inflammatory effects quite apart from the pH. This class of compounds includes acetate (acetic acid/vinegar), butyric acid, and propionic acid. There is interest in using these for crohn's disease, raising HDL, preventing cancer (especially colon) and other conditions. Fermentable fiber is one of the best ways to get these SCFAs, although a bit of oil and vinegar on your greens is another good way if it doesn't trigger a bad reaction.

No idea if regular, moderate doses of vinegar has any effect on clusters (good or bad).


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