Su Jok Therapy, A Holistic Method
When you have a cyst caused by humidity, you have to options:
1. Going to a surgeon and get rid of the cyst. Humidity is still there causing other cysts again.
2. Reduce the humidity, cyst melts (like a peace of ice when there is no coldness) and disappears along with many other symptoms related to humidity.

I don't know which one you choose, but the second one is called holistic method of treatment which is going to be discussed here.


This method of treatment is based on a few Facts:
1. In TCM "Treatment is most effective from far points".
2. Su Jok Therapy works on hands and feet.
3. A disease could not be treated unless the cause is gone.
4. The cause of headache is not usually on the head.
5. Internal organs malfunctions could play a key role regarding headaches.
6. If those malfunctions are at the energetic level (meridians) nothing could be seen on medical tests yet.


What is Su Jok Therapy?
Su Jok Therapy is a style of holistic medicine, based on Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and Korean acupuncture, but because of great advantages in Su Jok therapy, the method is now one of the most effective styles of holistic medicine.

Thousandes of years of experience in TCM has shown that "treatment is more effective from far points". That simple rule is enough for the holistic medicine practitionare to leave the whole body and go to the patients hands and feet to treat disorders of the liver, and there is always some corresponding points over there.

Su Jok therapy goes much further. It has come to a projection of the whole body on hands and feet, alocates all internal organs on these far points and treates them from the most effective location.
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This way you have the whole body in your hands. How could a brain tumor be treated? Just insert a few needles from top of the thumb to the heart of the tumor, and repeat it for some sessions. It may help a lot, isn't it?

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Step 1, Work on the Cause of Headache?

Headaches come from malfunctions of internal organs. Usually, there is not any serious problems in the head.

And because those malfunctions are mostly at the energetic level, they could not be seen in medical tests. That's why headaches can never be cured in Alopathy (common medicine). They can only disable the alarm by pain killers.

But in alternative medicine (holistic) we can find causes of the pain through analyzing functions of internal organs at the energetic level, and by tuning up those malfunctioning organs together, the pain easily disappears.

But the question is how come those internal malfunctions cause pain on the head and not anywhere else? This is a very important question leading to a specific method of treatment which helps you get rid of the pain as quickly as possible and gather enough energy to work on the internal disorders.

The answer is here. A volcano opens out from the weakest point. So there should be a weakness on the head at the most painful point.

And where ever there is a weekness on the body there should be a painful point on the hands and feet.

So jump to the first step; find painful points on your hand, mark them to remember, and massage them forcefully, three times a day, 1 minute each time, ... at least.

The pain goes away in a few days showing that you have prepared a stronger body, but you never stop, look for other painful points.

This is for every one regardless of the cause, since you are actually working on the cause.



Step 2, Check your kidneys.
In step 1 you looked for the painful points all over your hands, regardless of related organs. It takes at least 1 week for the painful points to get better, but you should continue working on them until the pain is completely gone.

Now let's be more specific. Kidneys play a very important role in human health condition. They are the controller of Yin and Yang energies and all the organs of your body are dependent to this energy coming from the kidneys. In almost any chronic disease there could be found kidney problems.

Here are the corresponding points on the back of your hands.
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Check to see if they are painful and if yes start working on them as mentioned in step 1.

You may also stick Beans on the painful points with adhesive tape every night, do the massage on the beans and let them remain till the morning then through away. Since your body has already banished the disease to that point, stimulating all night long with this method will help your kidneys a lot.

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Step 3. Using a Rubber Band
Acute phases of any disease could be explained as expansion of energy. This is also seen in acute headaches that are  extreme expansion of energy. It is like hotness and you may feel it in acute headaches.

If this could be true, compression could be the cure. If you may find a method to reduce this expansion (like compression) you feel better. One of these methods is using a rubber band to compress the field, But where should it be used?

In Traditional Chinese Medicine there is a rule saying "treatment from far points is more effective". So isn't it better to go to the farthest projection of the head, which is our thumbs (according to SU Jok Therapy)?

So all you have to do is to use a rubber band on top of your thumb.

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Note:
1. The rubber band does not have to be very tight. You may use the girls hair rubber bands.
1. Since you are working on micro systems, there is no side effects.
3. If there is too much pain, you may use the rubber band on all fingers of hands and feet, but for little tolerable pain do that on one hand one day and the other hand the other day.
4. This method does not interfere with other methods of treatment.
5. This method does not work that much on the cause of the problem rising from malfunctioning internal organs.
6. In order to treat the cause of the problem you should find a Su Jok therapist nearby and tune-up your internal organs.
7. If you are FAT follow this method to get rid of it without any diet. That is sometimes the cause of many problems including any type of headaches.
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You may translate it in translate.google.com from Persian to English. In this method you slowly tune up important internal organs like Liver, Spleen and Kidneys. Read the comments.

Drug sellers do not usually like these kind of treatments.

Huh?

I agree with Brew.... Huh?

Ghiassi,

Thank you for your PM.  I,however, do not believe that my CH can be fixed in this manner.   If you come up with a method for fixing my screwed up hypothalamus, let me know.

Sincerely,

Jeannie

Yeah, thanks for the PM.

I'd say you won't find many takers for this voodoo here.

Same song, second verse.  We went down this road last month Ghiassi, thought you were banished.  Spare me the PM as I didn't take kindly to the last one you sent me. 

I'm curious.   The people who post threads such as this... Are they mocking us, or do they really, truly think they can help?

Jeannie

Probably a little bit of both Jeannie.   ::)

Well, I can't imagine getting any enjoyment out of mocking those who are in pain.

Jeannie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 5:40pm:

I'm curious.   The people who post threads such as this... Are they mocking us, or do they really, truly think they can help? Jeannie

They do it to benefit themselves....they hope.

Tread lightly Mr. Su Jok Therapy...you've been previously warned.

Nope, not buying it. 

Furthermore, given the description of this gobbledegook, it's impossible for me to take it seriously at all.

Not to be blunt, or anything.

Best,

George

Thank you all for your attention.

I don't know why we like to prejudge, why don't you test it instead? There is not any dangerous thing in massaging painful points of your hands. Just ask yourself why it is painful here? Why that is different with others.

The next steps are coming soon and good results are waiting.

Do not forget the the pain never goes away until the cause is there, and the cause that came through years do not disappear in one night. So you have to spend lots of time helping yourself. This is different with drugs suppressing your pain, we are trying to treat the headache.

There is not a single treatment for everyone, since the cause differs from person to person. That's why I have not specified a point to work on. This way you find your own personal treatment path for yourself.

Don't worry, even if you can not cure your headache you have helped your internal organs a lot.

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I havent been here for months and first post I read WOW now I can cure my clusters.
well ah
ah
well ah
What the hamsalad was that Ü

Dear Jeannie

In Chinese medicine and other holistic methods our teachers have always taught us to ask WHYs repeatedly to reach the cause.

So if you think the pain comes from hypothalamus, ask yourself the next why. What causes hypothalamus to malfunction. And then go to the next. This way you will find the cause and can make changes.

We will discuss about them in future steps.


Jeannie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 5:22pm:

Ghiassi, Thank you for your PM.  I,however, do not believe that my CH can be fixed in this manner.   If you come up with a method for fixing my screwed up hypothalamus, let me know. Sincerely, Jeannie

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So if you think the pain comes from hypothalamus, ask yourself the next why. What causes hypothalamus to malfunction.

Because it's deformed.


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We will discuss about them in future steps.

Do it on your own webiste. People like you who offer false hope to newbies are the lowest of the low.

Can we get rid of the trash please?

If you don't like it, don't engage it....


Part of a message I posted on another site about dealing with troubling messages/topics:

"5. I'd suggest that you work from a position of "intelligent selfishness", that is, don't read or respond to people who you find troublesome or offensive. I suspect that most of us can get the tone of a message from reading a few words. If it's going in the wrong direction, scroll past/delete it. "Selfishness" says, don't read the whole thing and think about a response for this will only arouse distress or some level of internal upset. Responding won't change the other person and your effort will add to your frustration. "Selfishness" says, engage with those who are civil, don't encourage the uncivil by responding to them.

"6. This is not an argument for avoiding differences of fact. An all male group (on the subject of prostate cancer--talk about a subject for passion) I belong to often has intense debates. For the most part, they are based on medical information, informed judgments, and wrestling with evaluations of medical information. Intense, but generally respectful.

"Problems arise when the issue moves from the issue to the person. Folks who personalize, either what others write or what they say in response, will tend to move into interpersonal conflict. The best single way to avoid uncivility is to use discipline is keeping your words/thoughts on the topic, not on the other person's motives, intentions, etc. (A disadvantage of electronic communications is that it allows for impulsive behavior. Self-discipline, or an attitude of civility, would be served by typing the message, then putting into the "drafts" box until you cool down. It's interesting how many of my messages don't make it past this point!)"

So, are you suggesting we just let newbies wander in and possibly stumble upon this drivel? Do we even have a way to know how many people might read this stuff without ever registering a membership on the site?

This is my primary concern. Personally, I learned to look past this kind of stuff long ago.

My vote is to alert the moderators, which I've done, and point it out for the crap that it is.

Accupressure might work for a tension headache. The release of endorphins by massage might be beneficial for such mild, nagging headaches. I don't think massaging the feet will help cluster headaches.  The effect of acupressure is on par with an aspirin or two - nice, but not much for this type of headache.

Acupressure is great for many conditions, but if I thought I was having a heart attack, I would go the 9-1-1 route, with oxygen, blood thinners and other meds, and a possible defibrillator paddle.

Myofascial therapy might help with some migraines (and maybe other types?) but that typically involves correcting muscle/nerve imbalances in the neck and head in a way similar to a nerve block or botulism toxin. And there, some evidence that these methods can work pretty well for migraine but do rather little for clusters.

monty wrote on Jan 26^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Accupressure might work for a tension headache. The release of endorphins by massage might be beneficial for ....

Dear monty,
Thanks for your attention, but Su Jok therapy is completely different method. Actually it is not comparable. We are working on the far points, and not even on the far head (to suppress the problem), but on the cause of the headache from far points which are internal organs.

[1. In TCM "Treatment is most effective from far points". ]

Any activists here?

wrote on Jan 26^th, 2011 at 12:08am:

The next steps are coming soon and good results are waiting.

Does that come with a free set of steak knifes. ::)

wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 12:41am:

Any activists here?

You still haven't answered the question, "do you personally suffer from CHs?"  But then again, I don't think I'd believe you if you said you did. That opportunity came and went a long time ago. I agree with Brew. Get your own website. lance

wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 12:41am:

Any activists here?

Maybe there's no activists here.... but there are genuine people ACTIVELY offering support and appropriate advice to those who suffer with an extremely nasty condition.

You know what?  This may be the perfect time to bring up the fact that ch.com does not decide what works and what doesn't work for each individual.  I will not censure this board to suppress treatment ideas.  It is up to each individual to discover for themselves what treatments they want to try... and what works best for them.

Whether some of you know it or not, SHROOMS was first talked about on ch.com.  What if that information had been suppressed or otherwise censured?  And oh don't forget how many times most of us have said that we'd eat a pile of shit if that helped our clusters.  Same thing applies here. 

If you don't think snapping a rubber band on your finger will help, THEN DON'T FUCKING TRY IT.  If you think it's a stupid idea, MOVE ON to something else.  I've about had it with people trying to make the decision what works and what doesn't work for everyone else.

And if you can't get past the fact that I will allow people to post their ideas here, then maybe you need to look into your other options for providing information/support.

DJ

DJ:

Many thanks!

wimsey1 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 8:40am:

wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 12:41am: Any activists here? You still haven't answered the question, "do you personally suffer from CHs?"  But then again, I don't think I'd believe you if you said you did. That opportunity came and went a long time ago. I agree with Brew. Get your own website. lance

So you mean I have to be a CH sufferer to be able to treat it. That means the doctors should have all the diseases, isn't it?

Perhaps a more pertinent question is...  Has anyone diagnosed with CH ever been treated with Su Jok Therapy?  If so, can you describe the results of such treatment?  Are published results available for viewing anywhere? (Aside from your own website, of course.)

If not, well... there's really not much to be said, is there?

Best,

George

George wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 1:46am:

Perhaps a more pertinent question is...  Has anyone diagnosed with CH ever been treated with Su Jok Therapy?  If so, can you describe the results of such treatment?  Are published results available for viewing anywhere? (Aside from your own website, of course.) If not, well... there's really not much to be said, is there? Best, George

Dear George
You are the first one discussing this subject in a logical way, thank you.

However, I should notify that:
1. If a disease has not been treated in the past, it does not mean it will not be treated in the future.
2. In Su Jok and many holistic medicine styles CH is only a name, it is like many other headaches, but the cause is more important which is different from person to person.
3. By using a rubber band we are not that much working on the cause, we are suppressing the effect without the side effects of drugs. This might help a lot.
4. Since in holistic approach a headache is a headache and there is not that much difference energetically from type to type, a method working on one type is effective on the others. And yes we have tested it on different types and I am sure it would be effective on CH too.
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Re. your last post, #27 and item 3:

This where we must differ with you. The general goal of controlling pain, which you note, is, potentially, a very dangerous approach for people with Cluster Headache. We are increasinglly aware that a number of quite serious, even life threatening, disorders APPEAR to be uncomplicated cluster headache. In reality, they may be symptoms which mask a much more serious disorder.

The point being: suppressing/controlling pain only may leave us comfortable but in danger. Therefore, we need to diagnose the source of our pain so that we do not misdiagnose a potentially dangerous condition.

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suppressing/controlling pain only may leave us comfortable but in danger. Therefore, we need to diagnose the source of our pain so that we do not misdiagnose a potentially dangerous condition.

Amen, brutha!

Bob Johnson wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 1:26pm:

Re. your last post, #27 and item 3: This where we must differ with you. The general goal of controlling pain, which you note, is, potentially, a very dangerous approach for people with Cluster Headache. We are increasinglly aware that a number of quite serious, even life threatening, disorders APPEAR to be uncomplicated cluster headache. In reality, they may be symptoms which mask a much more serious disorder. The point being: suppressing/controlling pain only may leave us comfortable but in danger. Therefore, we need to diagnose the source of our pain so that we do not misdiagnose a potentially dangerous condition.

Thank you.
1. However in all style of treatment, in acute phase of any disease the main goal is suppressing the pain. Like Kidney stones in acute phase.
2. As I previously mentioned when you are working on microsystems (Hand, foot, ear ...) You are not treating the problem, It is the BODY itself.
3. Although we are not "Working THAT MUCH on the cause", it is however a hybrid system, because it is the body itself that decides and defines the how to process. It is a process like this
a. I received a command to compress the energy expanded on my head
b. Is it good for me? Yes. lets follow the command.
c. How could it be done?
d. Let's change the direction of the energy upside down.
e. How could it be done?
f. Activate the kidneys, cool the system ....
g. How? ....

This is some how self treatment which is of great value.

I have seen it in treating Obesity with a rubber band on the palm of the hand. Usually after 2 or 3 days you will see changes in appetite, desired type and amount of food, sleep, happiness, heat, .... showing liver, kidney and spleen activation

So you can cure cancer with this therapy?

        Potter

Salam Ghiassi.....

Potter wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

So you can cure cancer with this therapy?         Potter

If the cause of any problem in physical body is imbalances of the energy system, regulating this system could cure any diseases if done in the proper time. There is nothing specific about cancers.

Ask yourself
Who has generated your fingers, Liver, kidneys, Lungs ...
Who has all these years repaired your knees, teeth, skin ...
What has happened to this system that is not repairing them any more causing knee pain, tooth decays, skin dryness
Is it impossible to activate the system again?

wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 2:32pm:

Potter wrote on Feb 20th, 2011 at 2:11pm: So you can cure cancer with this therapy?         Potter If the cause of any problem in physical body is imbalances of the energy system, regulating this system could cure any diseases if done in the proper time. There is nothing specific about cancers. Ask yourself Who has generated your fingers, Liver, kidneys, Lungs ... Who has all these years repaired your knees, teeth, skin ... What has happened to this system that is not repairing them any more causing knee pain, tooth decays, skin dryness Is it impossible to activate the system again?

Now you're waffling.

     Potter

wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 2:32pm:

Potter wrote on Feb 20th, 2011 at 2:11pm: So you can cure cancer with this therapy?         Potter If the cause of any problem in physical body is imbalances of the energy system, regulating this system could cure any diseases if done in the proper time. There is nothing specific about cancers. Ask yourself Who has generated your fingers, Liver, kidneys, Lungs ... Who has all these years repaired your knees, teeth, skin ... What has happened to this system that is not repairing them any more causing knee pain, tooth decays, skin dryness Is it impossible to activate the system again?

Ghiassi

Its a thing called

TIME

and as you know

""Sie sagen Zeit, sind das Feuer, in dem wir brennen!"

Salam

Potter, you just ain't doing it right!  If you follow whazhisfaces' premise, "Ask yourself
Who has generated your fingers, Liver, kidneys, Lungs ...", you should be able to regenerate a whole new arm!

POTTER!
your'e not on the right page!
Get GENERATIN!

Smirnoff (Vodka)

Just putting DJ's rules up here AGAIN for those who haven't read them.


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             >:(

I see that melby deleted his/her post after I copied DJ's rules.   GOOD!!!!!!

Can we all please move on now to more important topics as Marc has suggested?   This whole thread is getting old and way too bizarre.

How bout dem Dodgers?   lol

Batty wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 3:54pm:

Ghiassi Its a thing called TIME and as you know ""Sie sagen Zeit, sind das Feuer, in dem wir brennen!" Salam

Yes it is called time.
Instead of testing the free method you are all in struggle of prejudgments, suffering CH for more and more days.

Drug sellers have been so successful working on your minds, or you are drug sellers yourself. It looks like everyone is deaf and blind. How could it be possible for a human being to deny a method like this without testing it?

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You may also stick Beans on the painful points with adhesive tape every night, do the massage on the beans and let them remain till the morning then through away. Since your body has already banished the disease to that point, stimulating all night long with this method will help your kidneys a lot.

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So all you have to do is to use a rubber band on top of your thumb.

This is what you think of people who do not do as you say?


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Drug sellers have been so successful working on your minds, or you are drug sellers yourself. It looks like everyone is deaf and blind.

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How could it be possible for a human being to deny a method like this without testing it?

How is it possible? 


Apart from your drug reasoning, you spoke of deaf and blind.  Did you miss this?


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If you don't think snapping a rubber band on your finger will help, THEN DON'T FUCKING TRY IT.  If you think it's a stupid idea, MOVE ON to something else.

 




You followed up unsurprisingly less helpful.


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Drug sellers have been so successful working on your minds, or you are drug sellers yourself. It looks like everyone is deaf and blind.

That's how it's possible.                     


moving on.

deltadarlin wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 4:30pm:

Potter, you just ain't doing it right!  If you follow whazhisfaces' premise, "Ask yourself Who has generated your fingers, Liver, kidneys, Lungs ...", you should be able to regenerate a whole new arm!

I keep an extra arm under the bed.  Makes the grand kids crazy.

                        Potter

Scientific Algorithm:
1. Define treatment method
2. Test it.
3. Efective? Yes > explain how (scientifically)
                 No  > end



Clusterheadache.com Algoritm:
1. Define treatment method
2. Is it simple? > Yes. > End            (Brew)
    Say "go away" > End              (Brew)
    Is it too good?> Yes. > End             (Jeannie)
    From New comers?> Yes. > End             (Mosaicwench)
    From Iran?> Yes. > End             (thebbz)
    CH Sufferer? No. > End             (37-41withrestrictions)

Ghiassi algorithm:


Quote:

Since in holistic approach a headache is a headache and there is not that much difference energetically from type to type, a method working on one type is effective on the others. And yes we have tested it on different types and I am sure it would be effective on CH too.

Does this sound like getting financial advice from a drive-thru window by the teenager handing you your burgers and change?

Yes >> End.

Kevin_M wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 7:30am:

Does this sound like getting financial advice from a drive-thru window by the person handing you your burgers and change? Yes >> End.

Not Scientific

just true





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Not Scientific

Humorous coming from a premise with an untestable position.




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And because those malfunctions are mostly at the energetic level, they could not be seen in medical tests.

When you complete a double blind study with people who have actually been diagnosed with clusters, please come back and post the results.

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Scientific Algorithm: 1. Define treatment method 2. Test it. 3. Efective? Yes > explain how (scientifically)                  No  > end Clusterheadache.com Algoritm: 1. Define treatment method 2. Is it simple? > Yes. > End            (Brew)     Say "go away" > End              (Brew)     Is it too good?> Yes. > End             (Jeannie)     From New comers?> Yes. > End             (Mosaicwench)     From Iran?> Yes. > End             (thebbz)     CH Sufferer? No. > End             (37-41withrestrictions)

Let's cut to the chase. 

Near as I can tell, (obfuscation aside), taping beans to the knuckles and putting rubber bands around the thumbs of people diagnosed with cluster headaches hasn't been tried.  If I'm reading all this correctly, you want us to be the ones to try it, and let you know how it goes.

I understand that you're "sure" it will work, and that you believe Su Jok Therapy can "cure" cluster headaches.

Well, you can ask...and you've asked--repeatedly.  If people don't want to bother, that's up to them.

Just in the past year, people have told us we can "cure" CH with long hikes in the hot sun, by standing on our heads, or by massaging bubbles out of our sinuses until we hear "oxygen-like noises".  Never mind some of the previous claims that colloidal silver, oxygenated water, dilute solutions of saltwater and other nostrums will "cure" us.

Using the "cure" card around here is a pretty good way to ensure that you won't be taken seriously.  That dog don't hunt.

Just an observation, FWIW.

Best,

George   

George wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 12:20pm:

Using the "cure" card around here is a pretty good way to ensure that you won't be taken seriously.  That dog don't hunt.

Thank you.
Not Scientific.
Prejudgment.

wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 1:21pm:

George wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 12:20pm: Using the "cure" card around here is a pretty good way to ensure that you won't be taken seriously.  That dog don't hunt. Thank you. Not Scientific. Prejudgment.

What are your credentials?

           Potter

Potter wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 1:22pm:

What are your credentials?            Potter

Step 1 is done.
Go to step 2 and test it.
Otherwise leave it.

wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 1:28pm:

Potter wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 1:22pm: What are your credentials?            Potter Step 1 is done. Go to step 2 and test it. Otherwise leave it.

How bout answering my question.  List of accredited Universities and degrees attained.

          Potter

Potter wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 1:32pm:

How bout answering my question.  List of accredited Universities and degrees attained.           Potter

Not Scientific.
Even if not being tested or known doesn't mean it is not working.

So here's a "science" question for you...

If you can't get anyone to try putting a rubber band around their thumbs, are you going to give up on us as a bad job? 

After all--you're trying to gather some sort of anecdotal data (again, as near as I can tell).  If there's no data, there's no science.  Doesn't look as if you've gotten any takers.

If headaches are "all the same" in accordance with holistic principles, then you might consider talking to some people with tension headaches to see what they have to say.  There are a lot more of them than there are of us.

Best,

George

George wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 1:48pm:

So here's a "science" question for you... If you can't get anyone to try putting a rubber band around their thumbs, are you going to give up on us as a bad job?  After all--you're trying to gather some sort of anecdotal data (again, as near as I can tell).  If there's no data, there's no science.  Doesn't look as if you've gotten any takers. If headaches are "all the same" in accordance with holistic principles, then you might consider talking to some people with tension headaches to see what they have to say.  There are a lot more of them than there are of us. Best, George

Not Scientific.
Trying to guess the future
and offering unrelated suggestions

Quote:

CH could be CURED

Well, good luck with that.  And I mean that in the most scientific way.

Best,

George

Heck I'll try the rubber band trick ... I was willing to snort cayenne at the recommendation of a friend ... so what the hey.  If it works tho I have dibs on the rubber band concession for CH board members!

deltadarlin wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 8:45am:

When you complete a double blind study with people who have actually been diagnosed with clusters, please come back and post the results.

Not Scientific.
If it has not already been tested, doesn't mean it is not working.

Kristin wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 11:34pm:

Heck I'll try the rubber band trick ... I was willing to snort cayenne at the recommendation of a friend ... so what the hey.  If it works tho I have dibs on the rubber band concession for CH board members!

Good luck!
Last night I visited one of my patients for the second time. She said her last headache last week was the easiest one and she had no need to use pain killers using a rubber band on her thumb.

wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 6:04am:

Kristin wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 11:34pm: Heck I'll try the rubber band trick ... I was willing to snort cayenne at the recommendation of a friend ... so what the hey.  If it works tho I have dibs on the rubber band concession for CH board members! Good luck! Last night I visited one of my patients for the second time. She said her last headache last week was the easiest one and she had no need to use pain killers using a rubber band on her thumb.

not scientific
pure hearsay
no observable data offered
no opportunity to repeat test based on observable data
conclusion: hype not science

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  The straight poop.

        Potter

Why thank you Potter, I think I now have a complete grasp, will see if it helps tomorrows morning....umm.....post coffee constitutional! ;D

Joe

wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 5:57am:

deltadarlin wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 8:45am: When you complete a double blind study with people who have actually been diagnosed with clusters, please come back and post the results. Not Scientific. If it has not already been tested, doesn't mean it is not working.

Weird Science.   ;)

On the other hand, if it has not been tested, it doesn't mean it works, either.

There is simply no evidence.

For the sake of a mental exercise, let's say a person gets a few--oh, let's call it three--people to try the rubber band thing.  If all three report positive results (improbable, I think) then you have a data set of three anecdotal reports.  Anecdotal evidence may be intriguing, yes, but it is not compelling.  In any event, an anecdotal data set consisting of three reports is less interesting than one consisting of--say--one thousand.

Actually, a person would be hard-pressed to call a data set consisting of three anecdotal reports evidence at all.  A data set of one thousand positive anecdotal reports isn't really evidence, either--it's just a bit more interesting than three reports, and merits further study.


deltadarlin wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 8:45am:

When you complete a double blind study with people who have actually been diagnosed with clusters, please come back and post the results.

That's evidence.  It's not conclusive evidence (very little is), but it's better than a few testimonials.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  So far, I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever.  Just your assurance that you're "sure" it will work.

Best,

George

wimsey1 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 9:12am:

not scientific pure hearsay no observable data offered no opportunity to repeat test based on observable data conclusion: hype not science

Not Scientific.
We are in step 2. the method is being tested.
Test it or leave it.

George wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 2:02pm:

For the sake of a mental exercise, let's say a person gets a few--oh, let's call it three--people to try the rubber band thing.  ......

Not Scientific.
Trying to predict the future.

Potter wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 10:18am:

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Not Scientific.
Not Related.

Guiseppi wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 12:45pm:

Why thank you Potter, I think I now have a complete grasp, will see if it helps tomorrows morning....umm.....post coffee constitutional! ;D Joe

Not Scientific.
Following unrelated subject.

wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 2:20pm:

George wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:02pm: For the sake of a mental exercise, let's say a person gets a few--oh, let's call it three--people to try the rubber band thing.  ...... Not Scientific. Trying to predict the future.

;D 

The "not scientific" thing is getting a little threadbare.  Frankly, it's beginning to sound like "la, la, la, I can't hear you".

Best,

George

wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 2:20pm:

George wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:02pm: For the sake of a mental exercise, let's say a person gets a few--oh, let's call it three--people to try the rubber band thing.  ...... Not Scientific. Trying to predict the future.

You have a droll sense of humor.  So putting rubber bands on my fingers and hoping it works isn't trying to predict the future?

              Potter

Potter wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 2:28pm:

You have a droll sense of humor.  So putting rubber bands on my fingers and hoping it works isn't trying to predict the future?               Potter

We are not talking about hope.
We are in testing process.

George wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 2:27pm:

The "not scientific" thing is getting a little threadbare.  Frankly, it's beginning to sound like "la, la, la, I can't hear you".

La la la la la....

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And he's pretty scientific.

Brew wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 3:00pm:

And he's pretty scientific.

We are in step 2. Test it Brew. It will help you get better scientific ideas.

I work in the holistic industry and in contact with some of the UK's best. I'm a journalist in this area (& beauty, sports etc).

Honestly I struggled for most of my contacts to realise that an Indian Head Massage, Reiki or Deep Tissue Massage would not cure my headaches. But now they do, if anything I found massage relaxing! But that was all.

I have never heard of Su Jok. Could you provide any further information and history please?

wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 3:06pm:

We are in step 2. Test it Brew. It will help you get better scientific ideas.

Thanks, but I think I'll pass. I have some paint drying that needs to be watched.

I have an idea that is a little less vicious than my last suggestion of where to put the rubber band (sorry for the offence, Linda... truly.)

Since you have your facebook page set up, complete with an introductory questionnaire (which is interesting, to say the least) and since 21 people already "Like" you over there (Cluster Headache sufferers I assume?) and since nobody over here seems to really like you, and since everyone here seems to want evidence, how about you come back to us when your facebook fans have completed your questionnaire and your scientific trials, and you have written up a comprehensive, scientific report with scientific data (not testimonials) supporting your hypothesis that your methods will cure cluster headaches?

The people here want evidence. So give them evidence. You are not convincing anyone here to try your method, and since that seems to be your sole aim, then do the logical thing, and stop trying to talk/argue your way to your goal - present everyone with evidence when you have some.

[/quote]The people here want evidence. So give them evidence. You are not convincing anyone here to try your method, and since that seems to be your sole aim, then do the logical thing, and stop trying to talk/argue your way to your goal - present everyone with evidence when you have some.[/quote]
=====
We will always be confronted with people who have ideas which we regard as wrong, nuts, etc. That's not the issue.

The problem is our vanity & ego which drives us to try and convince them of their "error". And so, like a clicking clock, we offer our futile attempts to prove them wrong so that they have a fresh comment to respond to. And it goes on and on--until somone has the sense to say, "ENOUGH!" (But then, DJ is tolerant enough to let our futility cointinue to play out....)

Maybe just a more figurative way of "banging our heads against the wall"???

Emma_s wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 4:21pm:

I have never heard of Su Jok. Could you provide any further information and history please?

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Although we are not "Working THAT MUCH on the cause", it is however a hybrid system, because it is the body itself that decides and defines the how to process. It is a process like this a. I received a command to compress the energy expanded on my head b. Is it good for me? Yes. lets follow the command. c. How could it be done? d. Let's change the direction of the energy upside down. e. How could it be done? f. Activate the kidneys, cool the system .... g. How? ....

Here below is an explicit example of his insightful scientific process with this hybrid "how" system.



Quote:

How could it be possible for a human being to deny a method like this without testing it?

Quote:

Drug sellers have been so successful working on your minds, or you are drug sellers yourself. It looks like everyone is deaf and blind.

So enthralled by his own scientific acumen, he's edited the first post of this thread to include in bold red letters:


Quote:

Drug sellers do not usually like these kind of treatments. « Last Edit: Feb 19th, 2011 at 1:03am by Ghiassi »

Only faintly diminished in delivery with an affront.


wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 11:41pm:

Drug sellers have been so successful working on your minds, or you are drug sellers yourself. It looks like everyone is deaf and blind.

Here is reaffirmation of his affront equally undiminished by "usually" that it would be drug sellers who would dislike treatments like this.


wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 4:42pm:

Drug sellers do not usually like these kind of treatments.

Debatably very edgy.


Quote:

attack ideas and opinions; not personalities.

It does break up the pattern of a boring day at least. La la la la la...fingers in ears the whole time. Brings out the rebellious teen in me. lance

Melby29 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 8:51pm:

Maybe just a more figurative way of "banging our heads against the wall"???

Or, what any experienced sailor knows, "Don't p--- into the wind."

You don't tug on Supermans cape;
You don't spit in the wind;
You don't pull the mask off that ole Lone Ranger;
And you sure as hell don't push a treatment like this one! ;D

Apologies to the late great Jim Croce!

Joe

Was walking my dog this morning when I saw a neighbor's car with the bumper sticker:

     "You don't have to believe everything you think."

Bob Johnson wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 11:19am:

Was walking my dog this morning when I saw a neighbor's car with the bumper sticker:      "You don't have to believe everything you think."

;D  I like that bumper sticker! lance

Kevin_M wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 8:17am:

Debatably very edgy. Quote: attack ideas and opinions; not personalities.

Have you tested it yet or not?  ....

wimsey1 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

It does break up the pattern of a boring day at least. La la la la la...fingers in ears the whole time. Brings out the rebellious teen in me. lance

Not Scientific.
Speaking about your past experiences.

Bob Johnson wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 9:20am:

Melby29 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 8:51pm: Maybe just a more figurative way of "banging our heads against the wall"??? Or, what any experienced sailor knows, "Don't p--- into the wind."

Not Scientific.
Not related to.
You should study the wind direction before.

Bob Johnson wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 11:19am:

Was walking my dog this morning when I saw a neighbor's car with the bumper sticker:      "You don't have to believe everything you think."

Not Scientific.
Prejudgment.

Melby29 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 8:51pm:

Maybe just a more figurative way of "banging our heads against the wall"???

Not Scientific.
This is not the method defined in any step of the treatment.

Bob Johnson wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 7:50pm:

The problem is our vanity & ego which drives us to try and convince them of their "error". And so, like a clicking clock, we offer our futile attempts to prove them wrong so that they have a fresh comment to respond to. And it goes on and on--until somone has the sense to say, "ENOUGH!" (But then, DJ is tolerant enough to let our futility cointinue to play out....)

Not Scientific.
Trying to convince the people that it it wrong.

Melby29 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 5:39pm:

The people here want evidence. So give them evidence.

Not Scientific.
Even if there is no evidence it doesn't mean it is not working.
I have given many evidences, open your eyes.

I opened my eyes, but I didn't have my foreign-language interpreter with me so the evidence didn't really make much sense.

Melby29 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:19am:

I opened my eyes, but I didn't have my foreign-language interpreter with me so the evidence didn't really make much sense.

You have not opened yet. Only one reference is in Persian which could be translated with google.

Another reference in your language:
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Thank you, just to make it easier can you point me in the direction of the part that has the results of the scientific study of the effectiveness of Su Jok therapy as a treatment for neurological conditions?

Melby29 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:43am:

Thank you, just to make it easier can you point me in the direction of the part that has the results of the scientific study of the effectiveness of Su Jok therapy as a treatment for neurological conditions?

You may find some ideas here.
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I have had a look at the links in the last post and I can't find anything that specifically relates to CH.
There is mention of migraine, as a CH sufferer I don't experience migraines, CH is a diagnosis on its own I see that Su Jok advocates blood letting during a headache  :-/ :-/

37-41withrestrictions wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 5:46am:

I have had a look at the links in the last post and I can't find anything that specifically relates to CH. There is mention of migraine, as a CH sufferer I don't experience migraines, CH is a diagnosis on its own I see that Su Jok advocates blood letting during a headache  :-/ :-/

Dear,
This is not the only Technic. Blood letting is used in acute conditions when you see hotness or heat.

You may not see CH in those texts because it is only a name which is not that important, cause it does not mean all CH patients are the same, as you can not say all people named John are the same. they are all different and those differences are the keys to their treatment. That's why you may not find much large researches in holistic medicine.

And the researches done are all like jokes (If you have a little knowledge about holistic med)

One of the reasons they could not be treated in regular medicine could be ignoring the differences.

wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 12:58am:

Have you tested it yet or not?  ....

Well let me look again at the beginning steps of your hybrid system.


Quote:

Although we are not "Working THAT MUCH on the cause", it is however a hybrid system, because it is the body itself that decides and defines the how to process. It is a process like this a. I received a command to compress the energy expanded on my head b. Is it good for me? Yes. lets follow the command.

Since you are the one talking about expanded energy in the head, it would be you sending this command.  Apparently in this system of out of mental orbit, you are a commander. 

In "b" you are asking yourself if your own command is a good command.  Of course you answer "yes", most commanders would.  Also, you as commander suggest following this command, why else, because you say it is good.

And we know what you think of people who do not follow your commands, they must be deaf and blind, usually drug users.


I see.

Here is an appropriate audience for you that is a lot more mature than this commanding thing.






Quote:

Go to step 2

I'm not going anywhere unless there's balloons and clowns.  And I want a pony ride.


Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the fairest...

WHY IT'S MEEEEEEEE!!!



Mr. Science, can you make a tissue dance?  You just put a little boogie in it.   

hehehehe       WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE




The cow jumped over the moon Mr. Science, and without rubber bands.

Do you have magic beans?

Kevin_M wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 6:55am:

Quote: Although we are not "Working THAT MUCH on the cause", it is however a hybrid system, because it is the body itself that decides and defines the how to process. It is a process like this a. I received a command to compress the energy expanded on my head b. Is it good for me? Yes. lets follow the command. Since you are the one talking about expanded energy in the head, it would be you sending this command.  Apparently in this system of out of mental orbit, you are a commander.

Dear Kevin,
Since you are always fighting you do not understand simple sentences.
"I" and "Me" is not me, is your body, my dear.

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Although they are mostly jokes as I mentioned.

Well then, your kidneys talk to you. 

But in this world, it is only you in this thread who spoke of expanded energy in the head.


See appropriate audience above.





Quote:

Not Scientific.

I understand these repetitive fragmented sentences.  It's the sound made not getting anywhere, an aperture is puckered up, nobody's blown any sunshine up it. 

Kevin_M wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 7:18am:

Well then, your kidneys talk to you.  See appropriate audience above.

Kevin, I want to help and I do my best to do that.
No matter how many prejudgments are coming, They are all unscientific and I will repeat the same quote. Best wishes.

Yet you maintain this circus by being the most unscientific in the thread.




You can learn from the audience given above.

Quote:

Go to step 2

I believe these have been your command sentences, Commander Science.

Kevin_M wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 7:54am:

Quote: Go to step 2 I believe these have been your command sentences, Commander Science.

Not Scientific.
In an algorithm we use commands.
Don't like it. Go to the end and leave it.
Have you seen the movie "Love me or leave me"? That was also like a command. However it is not actually a command because you may leave.

Kevin_M wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 6:55am:

I'm not going anywhere unless there's balloons and clowns.  And I want a pony ride.

I know it's not scientific, but yer killin' me, Smalls.   ;D

Best,

George

Quote:

Go to step 2 and test it.

It is simply a command from Commander Science.






Quote:

Go to the end and leave it.

Quote:

3. Efective? Yes > explain how (scientifically)                  No  > end

thanks for the little hint and giving away the ending.    Shhhh.  I won't tell anyone.

wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 6:30am:

37-41withrestrictions wrote on Feb 26th, 2011 at 5:46am: I have had a look at the links in the last post and I can't find anything that specifically relates to CH. There is mention of migraine, as a CH sufferer I don't experience migraines, CH is a diagnosis on its own I see that Su Jok advocates blood letting during a headache  :-/ :-/ Dear, This is not the only Technic. Blood letting is used in acute conditions when you see hotness or heat. You may not see CH in those texts because it is only a name which is not that important, cause it does not mean all CH patients are the same, as you can not say all people named John are the same. they are all different and those differences are the keys to their treatment. That's why you may not find much large researches in holistic medicine. And the researches done are all like jokes (If you have a little knowledge about holistic med) One of the reasons they could not be treated in regular medicine could be ignoring the differences.

A diagnosis IS important for those who suffer with any condition or illness, it allows people to accept their symptoms and get evidence based treatment that, if possible cures the cause, or in the case of CH alleviate the symptoms.
I am well aware of holistic approaches but within my profession I rely on evidence based treatments 

Quote:

Go to the end and leave it.

Are you commanding again?  Another command statement for programming followers?





Quote:

Have you seen the movie "Love me or leave me"? That was also like a command. However it is not actually a command because you may leave.

The difference being "and" in yours and "or" in the other, Mr. Commando Science. 



Not much sunshine blowing again today.

Quote:

Blood letting is used in acute conditions when you see hotness or heat.

Follow commands to 18th century.

"Gort!, Klaatu barada nikto"

37-41withrestrictions wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 9:45am:

I am well aware of holistic approaches but within my profession I rely on evidence based treatments

Yes, but all the symptoms are important, and as you may know the names like Sinusitis, Migraine are not the symptoms in holistic medicine. Symptoms are the explanation of the problem received from a patient.

For example:
I have a headache (feeling burning or hotness/coldness/fullness/lightness/emptiness), I feel it on the top/Sides/left/right/back ... along with back pain which is like heavy/full/cold/empty ...

We have to study all these symptoms to find the cause.

Kevin_M wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 10:27am:

Follow commands to 18th century.

Brungilda, apply a leech to this man's forehead.

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That must be the Ayatollah on the left.

            Potter

If laughter truly is the best medicine, then I am about to be cured of all my ailments!!!!!

Brew wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

Brungilda, apply a leech to this man's forehead.

Not Scientific.
Irrelevant.
Ignorance is the disease of this century.
What do you know about leach therapy?


Potter wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 2:24pm:

That must be the Ayatollah on the left.

Not Scientific.
Irrelevant.


Melby29 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 9:19pm:

If laughter truly is the best medicine, then I am about to be cured of all my ailments!!!!!

Not Scientific. Irrelevant.
Su Jok Smile Therapy is another subject.

wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 12:50am:

Brew wrote on Feb 26th, 2011 at 2:03pm: Brungilda, apply a leech to this man's forehead. Not Scientific. Irrelevant. Ignorance is the disease of this century. What do you know about leach therapy? Potter wrote on Feb 26th, 2011 at 2:24pm: That must be the Ayatollah on the left. Not Scientific. Irrelevant. Melby29 wrote on Feb 26th, 2011 at 9:19pm: If laughter truly is the best medicine, then I am about to be cured of all my ailments!!!!! Not Scientific. Irrelevant. Su Jok Smile Therapy is another subject.

Laughter is the best medicine and we're laughing at you and your very unscientific theories.

         

Quote:

Acute phases of any disease could be explained as expansion of energy. This is also seen in acute headaches that are  extreme expansion of energy. It is like hotness and you may feel it in acute headaches.

Quote:

Blood letting is used in acute conditions when you see hotness or heat.

Well, we'd prefer to breath oxygen, but do you suggest high flow rate with your treatment?

Potter wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 12:56am:

your very unscientific theories.

Not Scientific.
Prejudgment.
You have not tested it yet, dear.

Kevin_M wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:39am:

Well, we'd prefer to breath oxygen, but do you suggest high flow rate with your treatment?

I have no idea about oxygen therapy in CH,
however this method does not interfere with that.
Oxygen is usually good to treat any illnesses, because it is related to blood and Qi.
We should also remember that oxygen is not the only thing our cells need.

Ghassi, I'll say this much - you certainly are a good sport.

Melby29 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 9:19pm:

If laughter truly is the best medicine, then I am about to be cured of all my ailments!!!!!

I should have no ailments either!
I love laughing.  ;D ;D ;D Life always seems brighter when there's laughter

125 responses.......the man can sure stimulate conversation! ;D ;D

Joe

Here peeps...

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Fun stuff and some of the "research" actually shows data.

My only problems are the tautological statements which is typically indicative of pseudoscience
(too much circular talk from this gentleman) and the fact that even holisitc methods could be tested using a scientific method. It's all how you construct your experiments.

Anyway this is a silly thread with too much banter. Hope you all have a PF day. I hope to as well as I sit in my circle of shells wearing a pyramid. :-*

Brew wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 9:01am:

Ghassi, I'll say this much - you certainly are a good sport.

Not Scientific.
Prejudgment.
Irrelevant.

Guiseppi wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 9:38am:

125 responses.......the man can sure stimulate conversation! ;D ;D Joe

Not Scientific.
Prejudgment.
Irrelevant.

wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 11:16am:

Not Scientific. Prejudgment. Irrelevant.

M'kay.

Brew wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 11:16am: Not Scientific. Prejudgment. Irrelevant. M'kay.

Very Good Brew,
I see every one is getting into the algorithm  ;D
It was so hard to treat you guys.

The little thingy where I attach the tubing from my mask onto my regulator on the O2 tank broke off last night - so keep the funnies coming today, guys, cos I'm gonna have to rely on Su Jok Smile Therapy today if I get any CH attacks...... and maybe head out into the bushland to find me some leeches.....

Melby
Could you use an elastic band to mend your tubing attachment ???? :D

THAT'S IT!!!!!

The elastic band IS the cure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, Thank you, Sam-I-Am.

(Actually, this whole thing is quite Dr Seuss/Green Eggs and Ham-ish, isn't it???)

Melby29 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 3:55pm:

(Actually, this whole thing is quite Dr Seuss/Green Eggs and Ham-ish, isn't it???)

Best post yet.... 

Quote:

the man can sure stimulate conversation

ACTUALLY...what I see is that he produces endorphins by the truck-load.  LMAO!!!!!!!!!

Endorphines from laughing,  are known to reduce pain and stress.

E-Double wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 9:40am:

as I sit in my circle of shells wearing a pyramid. :-*

E-Double, can I ask what type of shells are you using and is the side of your Pyramid pointing to North, or it's diagonal?

Gary

Batty wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 8:00pm:

E-Double wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 9:40am: as I sit in my circle of shells wearing a pyramid. :-* E-Double, can I ask what type of shells are you using and is the side of your Pyramid pointing to North, or it's diagonal? Gary

Always facing towards the East or things do not work.
Unless you are upside down facing east then you are doing it wrong and should be facing west.
Unless you are facing west while rightside up which would also be incorrect.
The problem is that this is all theory.
We will be conducting trials to see the efficacy of Easterly facing individuals wearing pyramids with and without shells.

Warm wishes

ETA...the shells should be stuffed

E-Double,

Stuffed with what?

Rubber Bands?

Leeches?

Green Eggs and Ham?

Melby29 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 9:08pm:

E-Double, Stuffed with what? Rubber Bands? Leeches? Green Eggs and Ham?

Now you're just spewing utter quackery.
Though many of us have names that are followed by an alphabet soup of credentials, anyone with at least a HS diploma has the most fundamental knowledge of stuffed shells.
It's gotta be fresh Ricotta ;D

E-Double wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:02pm:

Melby29 wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 9:08pm: E-Double, Stuffed with what? Rubber Bands? Leeches? Green Eggs and Ham? Now you're just spewing utter quackery. Though many of us have names that are followed by an alphabet soup of credentials, anyone with at least a HS diploma has the most fundamental knowledge of stuffed shells. It's gotta be fresh Ricotta ;D

I like the way you think!!!

Joe

Scientifically, since rubber bands have great effects on humans health,
even when using pyramids it is better to fix it to your head using a blue rubber band.
You may also use another rubber band to keep it faced to the east wall.

Scientific and relevant. ;D

Potter wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 12:08pm:

Guiseppi wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 9:38am: 125 responses.......the man can sure stimulate conversation! ;D ;D Joe Not Scientific. Prejudgment. Irrelevant.

;D ;D  Good one Potter!  Thanks for making me lol on a Monday morning!!