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Message started by Beta on Mar 18th, 2011 at 5:29pm

Title: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by Beta on Mar 18th, 2011 at 5:29pm
In my never ending search to maybe find out how I became a CH sufferer I have been doing much research.

Most recently I have been studying what causes the CH, and from what I have read, during a cycle my Hypothalamus is deformed and may be the root of the problem.

Now I have been going through my life pondering if there was some specific point that I could trace something happening to cause my Hypothalamus to become deformed.

I never took any medications growing up except acutane. This is an acne medication (was the king of treatments at the time and may still be) that I took daily and had to get blood work done monthly to make sure it wasn't killing me or something. I was just a niave teenager who had acne and probably should have just let it run its course. Now there are commercials on TV saying if I have had my colon removed and took Acutane I might be able to get money or some shit. I dunno.

Anyhow, I thought maybe there is some link there. So I found some information on acutane and it DOES effect your Hypothalamus. Here's what it says:

*Accutane contains parabens, which are chemical preservatives known to display estrogenic activity and mimic the body's hormones. These chemical-disruptors may interfere with the body´s endocrine system: the adrenal glands, the pituitary gland, the hypothalamus (in the brain), the thyroid, the ovaries and testes, the pancreas (which secretes insulin and regulates the level of glucose in the blood), the stomach, the kidneys, the skin and virtually every body system.

I am now wondering if taking the medication 10 years ago it had finally come back to haunt me.

I am curious if there is any way I could get testing done to see if there is a direct link?

Has anyone else tried researching drugs they were prescribed in the past to see if there is a link to what caused the Hypothalamus to become deformed?

Mmhh.......

Title: Re: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by Racer1_NC on Mar 18th, 2011 at 5:34pm
While I'd love to point to a specific cause, I can't say that anything I've experienced has caused CH.

Title: Re: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by Mike NZ on Mar 18th, 2011 at 6:01pm

Beta wrote on Mar 18th, 2011 at 5:29pm:
I have been studying what causes the CH, and from what I have read, during a cycle my Hypothalamus is deformed and may be the root of the problem.


The hypothalamus clearly plays an important part in CH, as shown from imagining taken of the brain whilst people have a CH. However it is unlikely to be anything as simple as just a damaged hypothalamus.

Since people tend (not universal) to not start with CHs until their 20's or older, the hypothalamus has been functioning well up to that point, so for CHs to start there must be one (or more) mechanisms by which a CH episode (or chronic behaviour) can be triggered. There is a genetic link and some research has linked head injuries, however there are almost certainly other influences. Even if someone has a hypothalamus that is prone to be able to cause CHs then there is something that switches on the CH behaviour.

Since CHs are pretty rare, with rates around 1 in 1000 people, doing research on what kicks off CH behaviour is non-trivial as you need to be able to do tests on large samples of people before they start with CH. So to get a sample of just 50 people with CH you'd need to look at doing all the investigations on 50,000 people. Doing tests like MRIs isn't cheap, so this means that this kind of research gets very expensive very quickly. Plus with the wide range in the ages that people start CHs, it will take a long time to get reliable, statistically significant results. The combination of high costs plus long duration make this research complex to perform and relatively unlikely to get funded.

One possiblilty could be to piggy back off research projects where other brain issues are being studied, with something like Parkinsons, alzheimers or similar being good links. These projects are also likely to include MRI scans and long term following of patients, meaning that if any of them get CHs then it will be possible to do a comparison of the before and after MRI images.

Title: Re: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by Brew on Mar 18th, 2011 at 6:44pm
I took Acutane for a few months, but not until 10 or so years after I developed CH.

There goes that theory.

Title: Re: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by jon019 on Mar 18th, 2011 at 10:16pm
Hi Beta...welcome aboard....

Wouldn't we all like to know? 30 yr clusterhead here and I've parsed every chemical ingested(intentional or not)...head injury (yup)...and familial trait (migraines) I could imagine. And you know what...I don't know....and it really don't matter. For us....what is, is...I'm not interested in blame, or suing anybody, or regretting what cannot be changed.

My belief...we are born with a deranged (wonky) hypothalamus. If it could be discovered what caused that...beyond accident of birth...that would be great...and perhaps minimize the members of this club that don't wanna be members.

But, for example, I have another "condition" that has much more dire consequences...and has been studied a million times more than ch...WITHOUT any idea of whence it came or whence it goes. CH aint even in the line for such studies......

I concentrate now on living WITH ch...and doing the best I damn can dealing with it....and what I learn here is my BEST weapon. Read...read it all, and contribute (row)....it's a great boat.

Best,

Jon

Title: Re: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by Bob Johnson on Mar 19th, 2011 at 10:23am
What would the purpose of this search? IF there was such a link established, it would have been reported here ASAP.

In 30-yrs of seaching the medical liteature, I've never seen any work on causation linked to some external chemical, etc. The link to the hypothalamus was identified quite recently and the full implications are a long way from having been worked out, i.e., don't seen a reasonable goal for you in the seach.

Complicating the search would be the number of disorders which appear to be cluster but which are not. You would have to sort out these confounding disorders/processes. (See:  Look under: Medications,  Treatments,  Therapies › Important Topics >Cluster-LIKE headache)

If you enjoy the intellectual search, then follow your lead: If you want to help, learn the current knowledge re. CH and help the folks who come here for today's assistance.

Title: Re: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by wimsey1 on Mar 21st, 2011 at 7:49am
To be honest about it, I think this is another way of asking "why me?" It seems we have a need, especially in the beginning, to get all ontological about this stuff...where did they come from, why am I the target, is it something I did or am I just defective in some way?  I agree with Bob and others. Let the researchers research, and we'll fight the good fight daily and without let-up. How do I maintain my own humanity in the midst of my personal pain...that's the issue. Or more colloquially, how can I kick this beast out of my head? And for the record, I never took acutane or anything like it. Blessings. lance

Title: Re: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by rascleo on Apr 10th, 2011 at 7:17am
Your post is quite interesting to me, as I took Accutane as a teenager as well. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Richard

Title: Re: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by vietvet2tours on Apr 10th, 2011 at 12:11pm

rascleo wrote on Apr 10th, 2011 at 7:17am:
Your post is quite interesting to me, as I took Accutane as a teenager as well. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Richard

Read Bob's post.

     Potter

   

Title: Re: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by E-Double on Apr 10th, 2011 at 1:24pm
I'm the dude who never had a pimple until I reached 30.
I always had great skin.

I think we're just a bunch who are blessed with headaches despite what we took or what we did. some are just predisposed for fun

Title: Re: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by Bob P on Apr 11th, 2011 at 7:14am
I had CH before there was accutane!
Did ya know accutane was originally a chemo drug for brain cancer.

Title: Re: My CH's linked to prior use of Acutane?
Post by chopmyheadoff on Apr 14th, 2011 at 7:38am

rascleo wrote on Apr 10th, 2011 at 7:17am:
Your post is quite interesting to me, as I took Accutane as a teenager as well. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Richard


There are bound to be people who have CH who have also taken acutane .. in the same way that there are bound to be people who have CH who have also eaten an orange ..

Doesnt mean anything ..

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