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Message started by dejay on Jul 12th, 2011 at 11:33am

Title: Fear and Panic, this one's different
Post by dejay on Jul 12th, 2011 at 11:33am
Hey, thank God you're hear. I have so much to say but have been freaking out and I'll try to make this concise . I guess I started getting CH's about 10 years ago, my GP called a neuro and they handled it, said I was clasic. Have been to neuro's twice, but both times were during remission, they confirmed CH and treatment. Was getting them about every 2 years, came out of nowhere, big pain, lasted about 2 months and disappeared. This time it's different. These started April 7th, out of  nowhere, I started on verapamil right away, than about 4 days latter, another attack, than 3 days later a few times, than daliy. Only good thing I was able to build up verapamil without steriod taper. They have gone over 6 or 7 on pain only a few times. Now it's been a little over 3 months, went 5 days, thought I was done and got hit again, than 3 days and hit again. Seems just the way I started. I've never had them this long, usually 2 months.
  This has me desperate, especially the afternoon ones that come out of nowhere, my grandson's birthday, trip to see my son, on and on. For the first time I don't want to live anymore, feel hopeless, confussed, afraid to leave the house,which makes me depressed. I'm so upset at the way I'm handling this.
  I'll stop here, I just turned 60, the pain has been between 4-6, sometimes it's gone before I get to kitchen. I am only taking verapamil, 440 mgs a day, this is the most I ever took but seems to be manageing the pain. Have imitrex, but it scares me and haven't neded it.

  Thanks,, I just had to let someone who knows what's going on with me. Why is this one so differeny?

Title: Re: Fear and Panic, this one's different
Post by Guiseppi on Jul 12th, 2011 at 12:35pm
Because beasty lives to morph. :'(

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Review the oxygen link, with the increased flow rates we now recommend, and using the hyper ventilation method, abort times are in the 6 minute range. Cheap, fast, effective, no side effects, not much to dislike about it.

I assume you've already talked to the neuro about the changes, probably just the beast morphing...he does that  alot....but still best to run it by the doc to confirm it's not masking anything else that might be going on.

Hang in there, there's always someone here to talk to.

Joe

Title: Re: Fear and Panic, this one's different
Post by Bob Johnson on Jul 12th, 2011 at 3:00pm
You are expressing fear of Imitrex and inconsistency in using any med in a pattern which is likely to give good, enduring relief.

I'd suggest working with a headache specialist who can work out a treatment plan which would deal with these issues.

Starting and stopping your meds is, with Cluster, not the approach which is, for the long term, useful. The preventive med, especially, will be help you when you work up to an effective dose (and that may take dosage adjustments and months of trial to determine) and then stay there for a good run. Your body then has a chance to stabalize so that you and the doc can see what is really the best package for you.

Re. Imitrex: unless you have a heart condition, the safety record is good. If you want to discuss options with your doc, print out the file in PDF, below, and use it as a tool to review your choices.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.






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Title: Re: Fear and Panic, this one's different
Post by dejay on Jul 13th, 2011 at 11:54am
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I have just moved back to Louisiana and don't have a neuro. Last one I saw was when I was working in New York so I guess I need to find one here. Although I am scared of imitrex I really haven't needed it in weeks, and I have been consistent on preventive, verapamil, I increased dose as suggested and have stayed there.
  Ths "morphing" is disturbing, I'm sure you know that. I never felt like I knew what was happening but as I looked over my notes from years past I saw the big change this time. 1 Came on slower, 2pain not as severe, 3 it's lasting longer than others. I just keep thinking it's over but the anxiety is killing me when it's not. I did see a doc on this site somewhere who is here in Baton Rouge, I hate to start over with that but guess I will have to.
Thanks

Title: Re: Fear and Panic, this one's different
Post by Bob Johnson on Jul 13th, 2011 at 1:04pm
In your last message you wrote: "scared; anxiety is kill me; I hate."

Please look at these expressions in light of what you read here:

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Title: Re: Fear and Panic, this one's different
Post by wimsey1 on Jul 14th, 2011 at 7:41am
What is it, exactly, of which you are afraid?  The return of CHs? Worth being upset about. The intensity? You say it's less than in the past. The duration? Also worth being upset about. Meds? Who wants them, really, if given a choice? But...things are what they are, and you really do have a wide range of interventions available. The best way to deal with specific, or even free floating anxiety, is to attack its root causes. Do so. Rally yourself and become proactive in battling the beast. Get that headache specialist. Refer back to your list of preventatives and abortives and, with your docs help, begin trying what has worked for others. In other words, do not succumb to the feelings you describe but use their energy to redirect your will. Good luck and God bless. lance

Title: Re: Fear and Panic, this one's different
Post by dejay on Aug 14th, 2011 at 9:58pm
Thanks Bob and Lance for your replies. It took me a while to read and understand the link you put, Bob. But after reading it several times I can agree with, "WE CAN SUFFER EVEN WHEN WE ARE NOT IN PAIN.  Without being too long-winded, it has been a difficult year, just when I felt I was coming out of whatever funk I was in, I began another episode. I was confused and scared at 1st because this time was so different, I was having a great busy month finally, and after a few weeks accepted the CH, took grandson to baseball games with cooler of red bull and imitrex, anyway, 2 different afternoon attacks just led to me giving up,grandson's birthday party, and other grandson's game. They are 6 & 8. I began getting down on myself, waking up thinking "what If"which lead to panic attacks and depression. I felt like I tried and couldn't keep it up. I know many here live with this and for the last 9 years I have made it through because of all of you, but this time I was ready to throw in the towel.
  I hope I'm done with this episode, went 2 weeks without a ch, had a wisdom tooth pulled, which really sucked, made it through my son's wedding last week and got 1 slight hit 2 days after wedding. Keep thinking I should have done better, emotionally, but I didn't.

 

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