On Jan. 21, I decided to withdraw from all meds I was taking (verapamil, lithium, Zomig nasal spray) and try the busting option.
Two weeks after, this morning, I can testify that Rivea Corymbosa seeds work (RC seeds): I busted my cycle. I'm back to normal.
Check out START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE, this is the way to go. IMHO, official science took the wrong road. You too can be pain free, without nasty side effects. Check it out.

"Science" is exactly on the track they've chosen - the one that extracts the most $$ from people's pockets. It's just that you've now figured this out and will refuse to participate.

Good on ya.

Should we start a pool about where you will go when diagnosed with prostate cancer or a stroke?

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"I don't understand why people want to believe in science--science changes all the time."

           -letter to editor in response to an
            article on evolution. (In THE HUMANIST,
            Jan/Feb 2010)

I "generally" avoid "generalizatons" as they "generally" pool too much supposition in with their facts. Great to hear busting has worked for you.

Joe

I think Science is completely ON track.  Unfortunately our governments have their head up their ass.

Ricardo wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

I think Science is completely ON track.  Unfortunately our governments have their head up their ass.

Well said sir! ;)

Ricardo wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

Unfortunately our governments have their head up their ass.

On multiple different things, not just limited to CH treatment.

Busting is just another "treatment".  Science looks for a cause and then a cure.

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official science took the wrong road

2BromoLSD needed official science, lots of money,


and interest.

Bob P wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:15am:

Busting is just another "treatment".  Science looks for a cause and then a cure.

Maybe there is a little bit of research being done to look for a cause and then a cure, but by "science", I meant the one most neuros follow, some kind of official (I guess) protocol that sees us taking meds aimed at another condition like verapamil, lowering symptoms but not at all working on any cause or cure. My neuro and the others at that headache clinic claim that there is no need to look for a cure since their treatment works in lowering the symptoms. "This works, so why change?", she told me that twice as I questioned the treatment and side effects.

I don't know... it seems to me whatever domain, it's always a good thing to question whether what we do is the right way to do it, whether there are better ways, other ways, new ways... Why is it I have the feeling they are not very interested in their job? I feel that in these highly intellectual domains, they should be curious and interested in finding better treatment... they're not mechanics or carpenters (in all respect), they work with the unknown. Why is it that when I suggest to my neuro the hypothalamus might be at the center of the problem, she grins and jumps to the next subject? I get the message that she thinks this is only assumptions with no evidence, so not worth looking at.
That's what I meant by off track, not a handfull of searchers who actually are interested, but probably most neuros dealing first hand with the patients.
If I had not asked for a testing of my sexual hormones level and vitamin D3 level, I would have never known about that track leading maybe to a solution. (this part was auto-censored by the author) :o. Reading these boards (here and CB), I have learned a lot in 3 weeks, and I have a clear feeling most neuros are lacking this information. That's what, for me, being off the track is: staying on the sideline with the same ol' beliefs and not even searching for any new finding... just waiting for it to fall from the sky... from one of the handful ones who actually are interested and curious to go further.
And Bob J, a person very close to me had cancer and all science (his oncologist) had to say after he refused to have all 8 chemotherapy treatments (he had 5 I think) was: I give you 6 months to live. But that was 15 years ago and that person claims he cured himself with only the help of his searches and naturopathy. I actually never believed his "natural" treatments had cured him, but now that I busted my cycle with RC seeds, a solution totally unknown to my neuro (?), I'm starting to believe he actually did cure himself from cancer with natural ways.
My generalization might be bold or cheeky, but I feel I have the right to be a bit angry seeing the inaction of the professionals I (we) meet. 

There is a huge difference between the role that most medical doctors follow, which is as medical practitioners, and that of a research scientist.

For a medical practitioner, they are applying what has been learnt by medical science in order to treat the symptoms displayed by patients either to cure the source of their symptoms or to manage them as much as possible. It is comparatively rare for them to conduct fundamental research of their own that leads to scientific papers being published in medical journals and medical trials being conducted. The majority of doctors that most people come across will be in this area.

In contrast you have research scientists who may also be medical doctors. These are the people who are doing the research, writing scientific papers and doing medical trials. They may also see patients. Most doctors in this field will be based at either medical schools or working for pharmaceutical companies.

Of course, there are doctors who fit partly in both camps.

So when you get a neuro who is not interested in the latest research then they are very firmly in the medical practitioner camp.

Another reason will be that by sticking very carefully to medically proven methods they are less at risk if being sued for medical malpractice than if they had been using experimental techniques.

As an analogy, the medical practitioners are like car mechanics, they will try to fix anything wrong with your car, with the car designers at Ford, Holden, Mazda, etc being the ones who are researching how to produce better cars.

The "Bob Johnson" in #10 is NOT this one in #2.

I handled my prostate cancer via surgery and radiation and am "clear" at 15-yrs out.

The core issue is, in any case: uninformed assumptions around such important issues as your health and complex areas as medicine is a source of mischief, if not frank harm.

Mike NZ wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Another reason will be that by sticking very carefully to medically proven methods they are less at risk if being sued for medical malpractice than if they had been using experimental techniques.

Mike, all you say makes much sense and I actually knew that deep down, I understand all that.
But still, when reaching to official health services, my naive view of the world tells me that it should be with expectations to be offered the best treatment possible, and all advices (coffee, energy drinks, ice, O2...), not just one of the treatments that has shown relative efficiency with heavy side effects (which is how I judge what I was offered).
Then there is the fact that I'm in Canada and that since all treatments are covered by the state... anything not covered by Health care is probably not even available here, but still I'd expect to get all informations.

Wathever... in that process, I (we) end up suffering and waiting 30 years for answers, which I find unacceptable, especially since I know there are other avenues of solution. And I'm glad there is a place for me to express my indignation ;) ...and I invite others to do so as well, so to try to change things. Here in Canada, such moves from the people has pushed the governments to change their way and accept some official therapeutic cannabis treatments and the government is actually growing pot in an abandoned mine 8-) for official supply. But some patients are also allowed to grow their own or hand over this right to someone else. So knowing that "vitamin M" has shown good results in treating CH, why not think it would be possible for the clusterheads community to push for that as well? Or any other treatment that can offer serious relief to a very serious pain. I was only making myself be heard, sorry if I'm misusing this board :-[ 

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So knowing that "vitamin M" has shown good results in treating CH, why not think it would be possible for the clusterheads community to push for that as well?

If it did.  I don't think the "knowing" has been shown known by most.



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sorry if I'm misusing this board

Not at all.     Welcome.

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Busting is just another "treatment".  Science looks for a cause and then a cure.

Science is failing on both accounts.
The government is tying the hands of science by refusing to admit medical value of these substances...schedule one substances that is.
Medical oppressors that they are.
all the best
the bb :)

Ugh, I was just in Amsterdam and could have tried this had I read enough to know about its effects on CH.  I've just never really been one to try that kind of thing, but I suppose if I ever was, being in Amsterdam would have been the time to try it legally.  Too bad I'm back in the good ol US of A.  Back to the usual prescriptions.

I tried rc seeds Wed and found that they aborted any headaches that night and into the next day.  However, the next night (last night), I had the worst night of headaches to memory...  5 attacks!

I actually called Bob Wold and he told me that this is normal and that typically the seeds are effective in 3 doses, spanned at 5 days between.

I am crossing my fingers and hoping this ends the cycle per Bob's suggestion.
Also open to anyone else's thoughts on the matter --

Sam, after my 1st bust (60 RC seeds), the day after, it was terrible HAs, but 2 days after I had a PF day, then it started again on the 3rd day. I still couldn't sleep at night, but daytime yes, somewhat, and the HA weren't so bad but shadow and all very much there. Same picture after 2nd bust : terrible day the day after, better 2 days after, then gradually better. The 3rd bust did the trick, then the 4th one as I was feeling it was coming back, killed it all.
5 days in between each bust.
Are you on clusterbusters.com? lots of opinions as to how many seeds, how to extract... some ppl have better results with ''vitamin M'', some better with seeds...

Ha!!!   i love it!!!

I love it
Coach Bill